| Corona Virus 22:39 - Mar 7 with 507192 views | SgorioFruit |
Sorry for new thread,
But how bad do you lot reckon it’s going to get here in the UK?
I just been watching the news. Looking nasty in Italy. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 06:25 - Mar 14 with 1802 views | Batterseajack |
| Corona Virus on 06:24 - Mar 14 by Batterseajack |
Assuming the CMO has a considered and correct approach for dealing with a virus outbreak long term, current hysteria with people almost deliberately misunderstanding their message, or just scoring political points against the PM, shows how hard it is to implement in practice. |
To be fair though, it’s not as if Boris wouldn’t be squealing from the side lines if he were in opposition for his own political gains |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 07:46 - Mar 14 with 1723 views | Thebus |
| Corona Virus on 22:07 - Mar 13 by longlostjack |
Berlin has closed all bars and clubs from tonight. Other areas of Germany are likely to follow and it‘s anticipated that this could be extended to include all retail businesses with the exception of supermarkets and pharmacies. [Post edited 13 Mar 2020 22:09]
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So only supermarkets & pharmacies will be allowed to open ?
So how will people be able to get other vital things.
Can’t see that happening, as it would lead to the collapse of society and anarchy would soon reign. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 07:46 - Mar 14 with 1724 views | legoman |
| Corona Virus on 23:49 - Mar 13 by Jack123 |
That's the bit I am struggling with, I don't understand how trying to manipulate the infection rate?? I just don't.. I have read quite a lot about this, but nothing so far explains it to me, how does it work? It seems as of the announcement yesterday, they were happy to let everyone mingle as many as can be! I can't see from that way of thinking that they know wtf they are doing?
Surely the peak of infections would be way lower if they took more robust measures? |
I believe the point is that this virus is particularly infectious and so there is little chance of preventing its spread into the majority of the UK population.
Think of the recent floods. You see the river outside your house rising and you know the banks will breach. You can't stop the water getting in to your house but you put sandbags down to slow the ingress to help you deal with its effects.
This is what I think the approach is in the UK. We don't have the resources to cope with a sudden large number of cases requiring hospital treatment so we are trying to spread the number out over a longer period.
But we need to keep things in perspecrive. For greater than 99% of the population the infection will be mild and so if we can flatten the curve, the hospitals will be better able to deal with the severe cases and this should result in better outcomes for those people.
Keep following the hygiene advice folks. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 07:49 - Mar 14 with 1715 views | Thebus |
| Corona Virus on 07:46 - Mar 14 by legoman |
I believe the point is that this virus is particularly infectious and so there is little chance of preventing its spread into the majority of the UK population.
Think of the recent floods. You see the river outside your house rising and you know the banks will breach. You can't stop the water getting in to your house but you put sandbags down to slow the ingress to help you deal with its effects.
This is what I think the approach is in the UK. We don't have the resources to cope with a sudden large number of cases requiring hospital treatment so we are trying to spread the number out over a longer period.
But we need to keep things in perspecrive. For greater than 99% of the population the infection will be mild and so if we can flatten the curve, the hospitals will be better able to deal with the severe cases and this should result in better outcomes for those people.
Keep following the hygiene advice folks. |
I very much doubt the majority of the U.K. population will get the virus. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 07:57 - Mar 14 with 1695 views | ExiledJack |
| Corona Virus on 07:49 - Mar 14 by Thebus |
I very much doubt the majority of the U.K. population will get the virus. |
Ignorance is bliss | | | |
| Corona Virus on 08:00 - Mar 14 with 1689 views | ladyjack |
Shocking British documentary on the box last night, a bloke had his head in his hands, I mean proper head in his hands, waving is arms about in disbelief, shaking his head at the UKs plan for the Corona virus (think he was American), I think they mentioned a figure of 200,000 of us will be dead, not worldwide but UK, so shocking it was hard to take in.
Basically they seemed to be saying the UK will let everyone in the country get it, many will die but the rest will build up an immunity, the rest of the World are trying to stop their citizens from getting it, are we right to seemingly allow so many of us to die, apparently no other country is taking this approach.
I have not been following the story until yesterday, saw something along the lines of our Prime Minster talking about get ready to bury your love ones type of thing (can't be arsed to look up the direct quote) and thought to myself that it was unprecedented in the circumstances for a leader to be saying such things but thought the guys a clown and an uncaring English Tory but in light of reading the UKs approach to the virus it seems like we are going to allow yourselves to get it and no doubt that is why the Prime Minster said what he said.
It maybe that our health service is crap, our health service does not compare well with other first World countries and they might realise that we can't cope so they figure we will be better off allowing nature to take it's course and let it do it's worse.
It seemed that the Government want us to mingle and carry on but the likes of sporting bodies are stopping that by cancelling their events and now the Government have changed their position on events and seem forced into going along with what sporting bodies are doing.
The NHS person on the show talked about the challenge the NHS is about to face after years of austerity and the Government will reap what it sows.
To sum up the situation is frightening and far more serious than I initially thought and our response seems to be totally at odds with the rest of the World, we basically seem to be deliberately doing nothing (I think it's because we are not in a position to do much as our country and NHS has gone to the dogs due to successive right wing Government policies for many years via Conservative, NuLabour, Con-Libs and Cons again rule). [Post edited 14 Mar 2020 8:08]
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| Corona Virus on 08:01 - Mar 14 with 1686 views | Thebus |
| Corona Virus on 07:57 - Mar 14 by ExiledJack |
Ignorance is bliss |
So are you saying over 33 million in this country will get the virus ? | | | |
| Corona Virus on 08:03 - Mar 14 with 1681 views | Thebus |
| Corona Virus on 08:00 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
Shocking British documentary on the box last night, a bloke had his head in his hands, I mean proper head in his hands, waving is arms about in disbelief, shaking his head at the UKs plan for the Corona virus (think he was American), I think they mentioned a figure of 200,000 of us will be dead, not worldwide but UK, so shocking it was hard to take in.
Basically they seemed to be saying the UK will let everyone in the country get it, many will die but the rest will build up an immunity, the rest of the World are trying to stop their citizens from getting it, are we right to seemingly allow so many of us to die, apparently no other country is taking this approach.
I have not been following the story until yesterday, saw something along the lines of our Prime Minster talking about get ready to bury your love ones type of thing (can't be arsed to look up the direct quote) and thought to myself that it was unprecedented in the circumstances for a leader to be saying such things but thought the guys a clown and an uncaring English Tory but in light of reading the UKs approach to the virus it seems like we are going to allow yourselves to get it and no doubt that is why the Prime Minster said what he said.
It maybe that our health service is crap, our health service does not compare well with other first World countries and they might realise that we can't cope so they figure we will be better off allowing nature to take it's course and let it do it's worse.
It seemed that the Government want us to mingle and carry on but the likes of sporting bodies are stopping that by cancelling their events and now the Government have changed their position on events and seem forced into going along with what sporting bodies are doing.
The NHS person on the show talked about the challenge the NHS is about to face after years of austerity and the Government will reap what it sows.
To sum up the situation is frightening and far more serious than I initially thought and our response seems to be totally at odds with the rest of the World, we basically seem to be deliberately doing nothing (I think it's because we are not in a position to do much as our country and NHS has gone to the dogs due to successive right wing Government policies for many years via Conservative, NuLabour, Con-Libs and Cons again rule). [Post edited 14 Mar 2020 8:08]
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| Corona Virus on 08:06 - Mar 14 with 1673 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corona Virus on 08:00 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
Shocking British documentary on the box last night, a bloke had his head in his hands, I mean proper head in his hands, waving is arms about in disbelief, shaking his head at the UKs plan for the Corona virus (think he was American), I think they mentioned a figure of 200,000 of us will be dead, not worldwide but UK, so shocking it was hard to take in.
Basically they seemed to be saying the UK will let everyone in the country get it, many will die but the rest will build up an immunity, the rest of the World are trying to stop their citizens from getting it, are we right to seemingly allow so many of us to die, apparently no other country is taking this approach.
I have not been following the story until yesterday, saw something along the lines of our Prime Minster talking about get ready to bury your love ones type of thing (can't be arsed to look up the direct quote) and thought to myself that it was unprecedented in the circumstances for a leader to be saying such things but thought the guys a clown and an uncaring English Tory but in light of reading the UKs approach to the virus it seems like we are going to allow yourselves to get it and no doubt that is why the Prime Minster said what he said.
It maybe that our health service is crap, our health service does not compare well with other first World countries and they might realise that we can't cope so they figure we will be better off allowing nature to take it's course and let it do it's worse.
It seemed that the Government want us to mingle and carry on but the likes of sporting bodies are stopping that by cancelling their events and now the Government have changed their position on events and seem forced into going along with what sporting bodies are doing.
The NHS person on the show talked about the challenge the NHS is about to face after years of austerity and the Government will reap what it sows.
To sum up the situation is frightening and far more serious than I initially thought and our response seems to be totally at odds with the rest of the World, we basically seem to be deliberately doing nothing (I think it's because we are not in a position to do much as our country and NHS has gone to the dogs due to successive right wing Government policies for many years via Conservative, NuLabour, Con-Libs and Cons again rule). [Post edited 14 Mar 2020 8:08]
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Who is this guy, Vishnu??? |  |
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| Corona Virus on 08:12 - Mar 14 with 1655 views | ItchySphincter |
| Corona Virus on 23:49 - Mar 13 by Jack123 |
That's the bit I am struggling with, I don't understand how trying to manipulate the infection rate?? I just don't.. I have read quite a lot about this, but nothing so far explains it to me, how does it work? It seems as of the announcement yesterday, they were happy to let everyone mingle as many as can be! I can't see from that way of thinking that they know wtf they are doing?
Surely the peak of infections would be way lower if they took more robust measures? |
Herd immunity. |  |
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| Corona Virus on 08:50 - Mar 14 with 1599 views | epaul |
I'm really not bothered by this, if I get it I get it, meh!! missus is having a dizzy fit over it, I can't be bothered, now she wants to go shopping ffs, 27 supermarkets here we come, I'll stock up on beer!! People need to chill, yes be sensible, wash hands etc, but ffs chill out |  |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| Corona Virus on 09:06 - Mar 14 with 1574 views | ladyjack |
| Corona Virus on 08:50 - Mar 14 by epaul |
I'm really not bothered by this, if I get it I get it, meh!! missus is having a dizzy fit over it, I can't be bothered, now she wants to go shopping ffs, 27 supermarkets here we come, I'll stock up on beer!! People need to chill, yes be sensible, wash hands etc, but ffs chill out |
That is my attitude as well, apart from the washing hands for other people's benefit bit and things like not going out if you have a cold, or missing work and not getting paid for a minor illnesses that would not normally put you off work, what will be will be, why should I wash my hands anymore than I normally do, if I get it so be it if others get it so be it, I'm not buying some fancy germ killing soap so other people don't get it, if they get it and die, they get it and die.
If the Government want to give me fancy soap fine if not then I will just carry on as normal. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 09:12 - Mar 14 with 1556 views | Lohengrin |
| Corona Virus on 09:06 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
That is my attitude as well, apart from the washing hands for other people's benefit bit and things like not going out if you have a cold, or missing work and not getting paid for a minor illnesses that would not normally put you off work, what will be will be, why should I wash my hands anymore than I normally do, if I get it so be it if others get it so be it, I'm not buying some fancy germ killing soap so other people don't get it, if they get it and die, they get it and die.
If the Government want to give me fancy soap fine if not then I will just carry on as normal. |
” I'm not buying some fancy germ killing soap so other people don't get it, if they get it and die, they get it and die.
A glimpse into the mind of a Plaid ‘Socialist.’   |  |
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| Corona Virus on 09:13 - Mar 14 with 1551 views | legoman |
| Corona Virus on 09:06 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
That is my attitude as well, apart from the washing hands for other people's benefit bit and things like not going out if you have a cold, or missing work and not getting paid for a minor illnesses that would not normally put you off work, what will be will be, why should I wash my hands anymore than I normally do, if I get it so be it if others get it so be it, I'm not buying some fancy germ killing soap so other people don't get it, if they get it and die, they get it and die.
If the Government want to give me fancy soap fine if not then I will just carry on as normal. |
Amazing! Try not to infect any elderly folks in your neighbourhood, eh? | |
| "M'sieur, you said your dog did not bite!"
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| Corona Virus on 09:16 - Mar 14 with 1547 views | ladyjack |
It seems that the Herd immunity tactic is willingly going to sacrifice a lot of people, survival of the fittest it's going to be by the look of it. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 09:17 - Mar 14 with 1535 views | Jackfath |
| Corona Virus on 09:16 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
It seems that the Herd immunity tactic is willingly going to sacrifice a lot of people, survival of the fittest it's going to be by the look of it. |
How much money will the Government save by using this tactic? |  |
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| Corona Virus on 09:19 - Mar 14 with 1532 views | legoman |
| Corona Virus on 09:16 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
It seems that the Herd immunity tactic is willingly going to sacrifice a lot of people, survival of the fittest it's going to be by the look of it. |
It's about trying to manage the peak. This virus is quite infectious and it will reach the majority of the population. Manage the peak and we manage NHS resources. Do that and we better treat those who are hospitalised (<1%) | |
| "M'sieur, you said your dog did not bite!"
"That's not my dog" |
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| Corona Virus on 09:21 - Mar 14 with 1528 views | ladyjack |
| Corona Virus on 09:13 - Mar 14 by legoman |
Amazing! Try not to infect any elderly folks in your neighbourhood, eh? |
I will try not too but Government policy and God's will will determine the outcome by the look of it, people need to chill out, some say it's very serious as my original post points out but there is not much individuals can do about it and if you can't do much about something you should not worry about it as much as possible as you have little or no control over the outcome. [Post edited 14 Mar 2020 9:22]
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| Corona Virus on 09:23 - Mar 14 with 1516 views | epaul |
Well me and the missus haven't shaken hands in days, as per govt instructions, so we'll be ok, we've swopped everything else though, ahem!!
I work in a school so any close down means I'll be working whatever as we will be expected to do a clean down, given whats going on kids in schools are dirty little b******s they still spit in sinks, discarded tissues everywhere, they don't seem to give a flying f*** | |
| The hair and the beard have gone I am now conforming to society, tis a sad day
The b*stards are coming back though |
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| Corona Virus on 09:24 - Mar 14 with 1509 views | ladyjack |
| Corona Virus on 09:17 - Mar 14 by Jackfath |
How much money will the Government save by using this tactic? |
It is an English led Tory Government Jackfath, I'm sure money is up most in their thinking. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 09:26 - Mar 14 with 1499 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Corona Virus on 07:46 - Mar 14 by legoman |
I believe the point is that this virus is particularly infectious and so there is little chance of preventing its spread into the majority of the UK population.
Think of the recent floods. You see the river outside your house rising and you know the banks will breach. You can't stop the water getting in to your house but you put sandbags down to slow the ingress to help you deal with its effects.
This is what I think the approach is in the UK. We don't have the resources to cope with a sudden large number of cases requiring hospital treatment so we are trying to spread the number out over a longer period.
But we need to keep things in perspecrive. For greater than 99% of the population the infection will be mild and so if we can flatten the curve, the hospitals will be better able to deal with the severe cases and this should result in better outcomes for those people.
Keep following the hygiene advice folks. |
I like your Flood analogy, except for one thing, the Government's action (or lack of them) is much more like making very large holes in the river banks, walls and flood defences to let the flood happen quicker than normal.
How you think non action slows the spread I don't get at all, they wanted as many people as possible to get it as quickly as possible which would produce a massive peak. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 09:26 - Mar 14 with 1499 views | sainthelens |
Got a feeling this will be around for much longer than they predict. Could well be having same conversation in 12 months. |  | | |
| Corona Virus on 09:29 - Mar 14 with 1495 views | ladyjack |
| Corona Virus on 09:19 - Mar 14 by legoman |
It's about trying to manage the peak. This virus is quite infectious and it will reach the majority of the population. Manage the peak and we manage NHS resources. Do that and we better treat those who are hospitalised (<1%) |
Some would argue it's condemning thousands of our citizens to death, so do our authorities hope that these potential thousands of people die at home not to flood our hospitals is that the tactic legoman ? | | | |
| Corona Virus on 09:36 - Mar 14 with 1477 views | Thebus |
| Corona Virus on 09:06 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
That is my attitude as well, apart from the washing hands for other people's benefit bit and things like not going out if you have a cold, or missing work and not getting paid for a minor illnesses that would not normally put you off work, what will be will be, why should I wash my hands anymore than I normally do, if I get it so be it if others get it so be it, I'm not buying some fancy germ killing soap so other people don't get it, if they get it and die, they get it and die.
If the Government want to give me fancy soap fine if not then I will just carry on as normal. |
You are a great advertisement as to why we should never have Welsh independence.
Mental case. | | | |
| Corona Virus on 09:36 - Mar 14 with 1477 views | legoman |
| Corona Virus on 09:29 - Mar 14 by ladyjack |
Some would argue it's condemning thousands of our citizens to death, so do our authorities hope that these potential thousands of people die at home not to flood our hospitals is that the tactic legoman ? |
That is not my belief, of course not. | |
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