| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:19 - Jul 12 with 905 views | onehunglow |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:16 - Jul 12 by YrAlarch |
Your confusion of nationalism with racism is highlighted by your last sentence. |
And now this is group bullying.
You are getting off on this so I will leave you to it.
You are so utterly wrong
And yes,nationalism leads to these exchanges
It breeds hatred,contempt which is what you show clearly |  |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:23 - Jul 12 with 895 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:09 - Jul 12 by Badlands |
When people go to the Nth degree to support or excuse acts of blatant racism it shows we, Swansea City, have a problem with racism. |
I’m afraid that the whole country has a very real problem with racism.
It’s not only this country of course.
Was it Ozil who said that if he scores he’s German and if he misses he’s an immigrant? May have misremembered that but the point is a good one.
We’ve all heard of how this England team have made everyone think in a more embracing and inclusive fashion. It’s obviously only been the case while they were winning. Last night has revealed the ugliness of this country. An ugliness that has been encouraged by politicians that have desperately tried to stir up culture wars where none exist, made worse by the absolute horror shows that were given prominence through the vote leave crap fest and have subsequently taken over the Conservative party.
It’s a sickening indictment of our so called ‘tolerant’ society how easily they have managed to do so. | | | |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:36 - Jul 12 with 889 views | YrAlarch |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:19 - Jul 12 by onehunglow |
And now this is group bullying.
You are getting off on this so I will leave you to it.
You are so utterly wrong
And yes,nationalism leads to these exchanges
It breeds hatred,contempt which is what you show clearly |
So now you are talking about nationalism not racism, which itself deflects from the important points being made here.
You are not being bullied. It's simply people disagreeing with you.
You are beginning to sound like that Black Sabbath masterpiece. | | | |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:39 - Jul 12 with 888 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:16 - Jul 12 by londonlisa2001 |
The team said they were taking the knee as a stand against racism. Quite clearly.
You don’t get to decide that they are lying when they say that.
People taking the knee against racism started way before BLM was even a thing. BLM adopted it because of its history not the other way round.
The people sending pictures of monkeys to Saka are not making a protest against Marxism. They are racist.
You are part of the problem. You are giving racists an excuse by pretending that any of them have the vaguest notion of Marxism, or communism, or defunding the police, or the nuclear family or anything else. You don’t understand what defunding the police actually means in a US or U.K. context. And you talk about it all of the time.
The problem is not twitter. Twitter is simply a modern day platform for the sort of vile language that has been used up and down this country for ever. |
Stop twisting things and lying.
The England team and professional footballers in this country started kneeling last summer in support of BLM. That is a fact.
People did not boo any anti-racist campaigns in the past. They booed the support of BLM. That's uncomfortable for people like you because it clearly shows that the majority of the population do not support your politics. Deal with it.
"The people sending pictures of monkeys to Saka are not making a protest against Marxism. They are racist."
I said that booing the kneeling was protesting against Marxism didn't I. So don't move the goalposts.
Do you know exactly who sent those pictures?
They could well be white British racists...they could also be foreigners...they could be foreigners of all political persuasions...they could be left wingers in this country trying to create a news story to support their narrative...they could be black people trying to justify the kneeling for BLM by providing the "proof" of racism against the players...they could be idiots who are incensed by the kneeling for Marxists.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO SENT THEM OR THEIR MOTIVES.
I Don't recall this problem with racism directed against black players in this country on social media until the past couple of years. Why has it suddenly become a problem in the last couple of years. What has happened to stoke this nonsense?
"You are part of the problem. You are giving racists an excuse by pretending that any of them have the vaguest notion of Marxism, or communism, or defunding the police, or the nuclear family or anything else. You don’t understand what defunding the police actually means in a US or U.K. context. And you talk about it all of the time."
Those objectives are BLM objectives, it is what they have stated in their own words. The majority don't agree with those aims and will not be bullied by the likes of you to acquiesce.
I understand what defunding the police actually means. It has been done in the past year in Democrat run U.S. cities and the crime rates have soared. That is the reality Lisa and you can't bend it.
Twitter allows people to write those words. Twitter allows people to be anonymous. Twitter does nothing to stop this. Twitter has shown itself to be nothing but a left-wing propaganda arm who thinks it's job is to censor the elected President of the United States whilst allowing total filth to be published on it's platform on a daily basis (racism/homophobia/misogyny/rape/murder etc.).
If you actually wanted to do something about England footballers being subjected to racial abuse and the proliferation of racism in our society you would want to do something about Twitter....but the truth is that the shite Twitter publishes helps the Left to further the narrative that it is our multicultural, multi-racial society that is the problem and so needs to be fixed by Left wing governments.
If you were serious about tackling racial language and stereotypes you would be against hip hop and the rest of it, you would be up in arms about Islamic anti-semitism and the cesspool where the next World Cup will be held...but you are not, because you are disingenuous. |  |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:42 - Jul 12 with 882 views | onehunglow |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:36 - Jul 12 by YrAlarch |
So now you are talking about nationalism not racism, which itself deflects from the important points being made here.
You are not being bullied. It's simply people disagreeing with you.
You are beginning to sound like that Black Sabbath masterpiece. |
No,it s a group all coming together.
As it happens ,you are all glorious ,utterly wrong but ain’t see it.
That is the problem with gang culture.
We see this all the time.
By Christ,do we need to lighten up. | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:46 - Jul 12 with 875 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
This is the fella who wrote those awful twitter posts that David Lammy highlighted...
https://twitter.com/picofru
...is this bloke a White nationalist in your opinion? | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:48 - Jul 12 with 872 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 12:41 - Jul 12 by londonlisa2001 |
If you don’t mind me saying Keith, while your post about it ending today is admirable, posts on here that have happened in the short few hours after the match sum up one of the problems with this.
Five young men stepped up and had the balls to take a penalty in that atmosphere last night. They did so knowing what would happen if they missed. Three of them did so in the knowledge that they would also be subjected to horrific racial abuse if they missed. And sure enough, that’s what has happened.
In the short time since, a poster on here has tried to equate the almost unbelievably sickening abuse they have received to posts on here that said they wanted England to lose, and another poster has compared the abuse to that received by Beckham in the past. Also stating that there would be a ‘couple of children and attention seekers using racist language in order to cause some shock factor’.
Both posters are part of the problem, as they are denying the reality of the problem and / or the scale of the problem.
I said before the match that I was fairly ambivalent. As it happens, watching the match I wanted England to win it. I was devastated when Rashford missed as I knew what would happen. Made worse when Sancho and Baka missed.
If people here can’t genuinely see the difference between someone sending people a tweet (although God knows why so called adults do that) saying ‘your penalty was crap’ and sending a tweet with a line of offensive pictures, or using hate language then the problem we have will never ever get better.
Similarly when the Home Secretary now says it’s awful while she previously said she could understand and support why so called ‘fans’ booed the team taking the knee. And the Prime Minister, with a history of his own racist language didn’t contradict her, and now joins in the anti racist wailing in his usual hypocritical manner.
We live in a country populated with a significant percentage of utter scum. Yes, the social media companies should do something about it, but that these attitudes exist in 2021 is horrifying. And false equivalence, repeated so frequently on here, not only on race, but on sexism, homophobia and so on is a deliberate attempt to weaken the impact of genuine issues.
Unless it is rooted out, it will continue to create an atmosphere where racism, sexism and homophobia will continue to flourish. |
You are yet again, talking utter nonsense.
Nobody is denying the scale of the problem, they are accurately painting a reality of the scale of the problem... a scale you disagree with and wish to exaggerate in order to fit in with your ever so tiresome narrative.
Beckham got sent off against Argentina in a needless and stupid manner, he had all sorts thrown at him from death threats to a dummy of him hanging from a lamppost in a noose. You have a very short, and selective memory. It was horrendous.
Abuse of players is something that has gone on for a long time, none of it acceptable, but all of it expected.
To state that Rashford is being slagged off because of his race is inaccurate and fraudulent, 99.9% of people are slagging him off for his stupid “no look penalty”, a tiny portion of idiots are trying to get the likes of you riled up by focussing on your favourite topic, race.... and it’s working.
If you needed a reminder:-
So while you think it may be useful to your nonsensical ideology to paint everyone who disagrees with you as a racist, misogynist or homophobe (which may explain your false view of the scale), the rest of us will be safe in the knowledge that the vast vast vast majority of people are decent humans while you get riled up by the few.
You are part of the problem, you give the few what they crave. |  |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:49 - Jul 12 with 874 views | YrAlarch |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:42 - Jul 12 by onehunglow |
No,it s a group all coming together.
As it happens ,you are all glorious ,utterly wrong but ain’t see it.
That is the problem with gang culture.
We see this all the time.
By Christ,do we need to lighten up. |
'Lighten up'? But racism is a serious matter. | | | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:49 - Jul 12 with 870 views | onehunglow |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:39 - Jul 12 by Ajack_Kerouac |
Stop twisting things and lying.
The England team and professional footballers in this country started kneeling last summer in support of BLM. That is a fact.
People did not boo any anti-racist campaigns in the past. They booed the support of BLM. That's uncomfortable for people like you because it clearly shows that the majority of the population do not support your politics. Deal with it.
"The people sending pictures of monkeys to Saka are not making a protest against Marxism. They are racist."
I said that booing the kneeling was protesting against Marxism didn't I. So don't move the goalposts.
Do you know exactly who sent those pictures?
They could well be white British racists...they could also be foreigners...they could be foreigners of all political persuasions...they could be left wingers in this country trying to create a news story to support their narrative...they could be black people trying to justify the kneeling for BLM by providing the "proof" of racism against the players...they could be idiots who are incensed by the kneeling for Marxists.
WE DON'T KNOW WHO SENT THEM OR THEIR MOTIVES.
I Don't recall this problem with racism directed against black players in this country on social media until the past couple of years. Why has it suddenly become a problem in the last couple of years. What has happened to stoke this nonsense?
"You are part of the problem. You are giving racists an excuse by pretending that any of them have the vaguest notion of Marxism, or communism, or defunding the police, or the nuclear family or anything else. You don’t understand what defunding the police actually means in a US or U.K. context. And you talk about it all of the time."
Those objectives are BLM objectives, it is what they have stated in their own words. The majority don't agree with those aims and will not be bullied by the likes of you to acquiesce.
I understand what defunding the police actually means. It has been done in the past year in Democrat run U.S. cities and the crime rates have soared. That is the reality Lisa and you can't bend it.
Twitter allows people to write those words. Twitter allows people to be anonymous. Twitter does nothing to stop this. Twitter has shown itself to be nothing but a left-wing propaganda arm who thinks it's job is to censor the elected President of the United States whilst allowing total filth to be published on it's platform on a daily basis (racism/homophobia/misogyny/rape/murder etc.).
If you actually wanted to do something about England footballers being subjected to racial abuse and the proliferation of racism in our society you would want to do something about Twitter....but the truth is that the shite Twitter publishes helps the Left to further the narrative that it is our multicultural, multi-racial society that is the problem and so needs to be fixed by Left wing governments.
If you were serious about tackling racial language and stereotypes you would be against hip hop and the rest of it, you would be up in arms about Islamic anti-semitism and the cesspool where the next World Cup will be held...but you are not, because you are disingenuous. |
Think that is what I was trying to put across.
This is a deep subject on which people go off onto tangents all the time.
Nobody has the guts to truly fight racism
If we were,we would ALL have boycotted football when Qatar was announced.
It is and was corruption and we are all hypocrites ALL of us .It s about degrees.
We cannot sit here and opine about racism when we pay to see games that are all tainted by corruption as EUFA are. Every game is us witnessing hypocrisy. We don’t have the guts to go all the way | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:51 - Jul 12 with 868 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:49 - Jul 12 by YrAlarch |
'Lighten up'? But racism is a serious matter. |
It is a serious matter, which is why people should be careful when accusing someone of being racist.
Is this bloke a White British racist?
https://twitter.com/picofru | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:54 - Jul 12 with 858 views | onehunglow |
Yes we should lighten up as we are getting rather caustic with each other.
Feed yourself if you want. | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:03 - Jul 12 with 847 views | YrAlarch |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:49 - Jul 12 by onehunglow |
Think that is what I was trying to put across.
This is a deep subject on which people go off onto tangents all the time.
Nobody has the guts to truly fight racism
If we were,we would ALL have boycotted football when Qatar was announced.
It is and was corruption and we are all hypocrites ALL of us .It s about degrees.
We cannot sit here and opine about racism when we pay to see games that are all tainted by corruption as EUFA are. Every game is us witnessing hypocrisy. We don’t have the guts to go all the way |
Your point about Qatar is a good one. This was an absurd and obscene decision by FIFA, but we all know what was behind that.
The only way to fight FIFA is for the big corporations ,who finance the jamboree, to withhold their money. But that ain't going to happen. | | | |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:12 - Jul 12 with 832 views | onehunglow |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:03 - Jul 12 by YrAlarch |
Your point about Qatar is a good one. This was an absurd and obscene decision by FIFA, but we all know what was behind that.
The only way to fight FIFA is for the big corporations ,who finance the jamboree, to withhold their money. But that ain't going to happen. |
100 percent agreed.
Note what I say about hypocrisy because we are all guilty.
The first reaction of England Wales Scotland Ireland France Germany ,,Spain, should have been to announce a boycott of this tournament but nothing so it’s grates me to see the disingenuous trash spouted over this subject when people like EUFA and FIFA are not held to account .
I wouldn’t expat that the likes of Russia,Turkey ,Hungary and Serbia to supportt such a boycott but our lands should have and we are damned by it.
Quite why would anyone with any moral fibre go to Qatar to watch any sport. It is stained . | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:12 - Jul 12 with 830 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 13:48 - Jul 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
You are yet again, talking utter nonsense.
Nobody is denying the scale of the problem, they are accurately painting a reality of the scale of the problem... a scale you disagree with and wish to exaggerate in order to fit in with your ever so tiresome narrative.
Beckham got sent off against Argentina in a needless and stupid manner, he had all sorts thrown at him from death threats to a dummy of him hanging from a lamppost in a noose. You have a very short, and selective memory. It was horrendous.
Abuse of players is something that has gone on for a long time, none of it acceptable, but all of it expected.
To state that Rashford is being slagged off because of his race is inaccurate and fraudulent, 99.9% of people are slagging him off for his stupid “no look penalty”, a tiny portion of idiots are trying to get the likes of you riled up by focussing on your favourite topic, race.... and it’s working.
If you needed a reminder:-
So while you think it may be useful to your nonsensical ideology to paint everyone who disagrees with you as a racist, misogynist or homophobe (which may explain your false view of the scale), the rest of us will be safe in the knowledge that the vast vast vast majority of people are decent humans while you get riled up by the few.
You are part of the problem, you give the few what they crave. |
God you’re predictable.
If Rashford gets sent pictures of monkeys and bananas it’s racist abuse.
Full stop.
And you absolutely have tried to deny the scale of the problem. You’ve repeatedly claimed you think most of them are under 12, or attention seekers, or now pretending it’s the same as Beckham.
If 99.9% of people slagging off Rashford are doing so because of his ‘stupid penalty’ (which is the way he takes them btw - he just happened to hit the post despite sending the keeper the wrong way), it’s unclear why so many need to reference his colour, or by all him a n*****, or send him pictures of monkeys.
Your first thought last night was to have a go at Rashford’s penalty for being ‘self indulgent’ and saying he deserves criticism. You do so because you knew damn well what would happen and wanted to make excuses for the hatred in advance. Same with the ‘it’s kids’ or ‘ignore them all’ nonsense.
I’m not sure you realise how completely transparent you are.
Tedious. | | | |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:16 - Jul 12 with 824 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:12 - Jul 12 by onehunglow |
100 percent agreed.
Note what I say about hypocrisy because we are all guilty.
The first reaction of England Wales Scotland Ireland France Germany ,,Spain, should have been to announce a boycott of this tournament but nothing so it’s grates me to see the disingenuous trash spouted over this subject when people like EUFA and FIFA are not held to account .
I wouldn’t expat that the likes of Russia,Turkey ,Hungary and Serbia to supportt such a boycott but our lands should have and we are damned by it.
Quite why would anyone with any moral fibre go to Qatar to watch any sport. It is stained . |
All home nations should refuse to play there.
It really is as simple as that.
It’s akin to playing in South Africa during apartheid. | | | |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:23 - Jul 12 with 819 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:12 - Jul 12 by londonlisa2001 |
God you’re predictable.
If Rashford gets sent pictures of monkeys and bananas it’s racist abuse.
Full stop.
And you absolutely have tried to deny the scale of the problem. You’ve repeatedly claimed you think most of them are under 12, or attention seekers, or now pretending it’s the same as Beckham.
If 99.9% of people slagging off Rashford are doing so because of his ‘stupid penalty’ (which is the way he takes them btw - he just happened to hit the post despite sending the keeper the wrong way), it’s unclear why so many need to reference his colour, or by all him a n*****, or send him pictures of monkeys.
Your first thought last night was to have a go at Rashford’s penalty for being ‘self indulgent’ and saying he deserves criticism. You do so because you knew damn well what would happen and wanted to make excuses for the hatred in advance. Same with the ‘it’s kids’ or ‘ignore them all’ nonsense.
I’m not sure you realise how completely transparent you are.
Tedious. |
Yes, I will always take the common sense approach, I don’t post “to keep you on your toes”, it’s entirely predictable. Think of the most logical and common sense view... that will predictably be mine.
Yep anyone who posts racist things is definitely guilty of posting racist things. But that isn’t what we are discussing, you are attempting to paint the country as racist and the abuse that he is getting as a result of his skin colour. That’s false.
He is getting abuse because he missed a penalty in a stupid fashion. Grealish would now be getting similar if he did the same, this again is proven by history. Beckham is as white as they come and was the victim of some of the most heinous sporting related abuse the country has ever seen, his face was on a printable dart board in the national newspapers. Have you forgotten that?
So what you need to do is isolate the abuse, from the racist abuse - because they aren’t the same. Then come back and talk to me about scale. You said “so many” have racially abused him, how many are we talking here? From what I’ve seen it’s a handful of accounts making repeated remarks such as the one linked in this thread.
Where did I say he deserved the criticism? You are a liar. Have you subtly changed the word “expected” to “deserved”?
I would give you the benefit of the doubt but you have done this probably too often to be a mistake on your part and you have been accused of this by others.
Where did I say “most of them are under 12”? Have you subtly changed the word “many” to “most”?
You see this is why you get a lot of pushback on this forum, you debate incredibly dishonestly. Quite intentionally so. If you believed in the point you were making then you wouldn’t need to sensationalise peoples words and change them to suit your own narrative.
But you aren’t the only one who likes to do that. You won’t sneakily get those past me I’m afraid, I’m very specific with my words, so the best bet is to stick with what I said as opposed to what you wish I had said... they will likely be polar opposites.
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:30 - Jul 12 with 811 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:12 - Jul 12 by londonlisa2001 |
God you’re predictable.
If Rashford gets sent pictures of monkeys and bananas it’s racist abuse.
Full stop.
And you absolutely have tried to deny the scale of the problem. You’ve repeatedly claimed you think most of them are under 12, or attention seekers, or now pretending it’s the same as Beckham.
If 99.9% of people slagging off Rashford are doing so because of his ‘stupid penalty’ (which is the way he takes them btw - he just happened to hit the post despite sending the keeper the wrong way), it’s unclear why so many need to reference his colour, or by all him a n*****, or send him pictures of monkeys.
Your first thought last night was to have a go at Rashford’s penalty for being ‘self indulgent’ and saying he deserves criticism. You do so because you knew damn well what would happen and wanted to make excuses for the hatred in advance. Same with the ‘it’s kids’ or ‘ignore them all’ nonsense.
I’m not sure you realise how completely transparent you are.
Tedious. |
It was a shite clever dick penalty, by a clever dick.
Of course people can criticise the penalty....and of course, since Rashford's foray into politics, many will dislike him.
Footballers/celebrities are not beyond criticism for christ sake.
That's not racial abuse!
He apparently has been sent racial abuse on a social media platform.
If the Daily Mail allowed that you'd have a melt down...but it's ok for the likes of Twitter apparently!
There is a leap being made that because there are some racist posts on social media that;
a) that justifies the taking of the knee
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b) it is symptomatic of a racism problem in our country.
That is a leap....the knee was about a political movement called BLM. People who do not support that political movement have every right to boo.
The players who bring politics in sport who have no right to bitch/whinge/cry when people boo their political gestures. They are not beyond criticism (nor are celebrities/Scientists/NHS staff etc. - people are people, not Gods).
The people who posted racial abuse on twitter - we have no idea who they are, what country they come from, what race they are etc.
Recently an Indian from a call centre in Delhi (It's a safe bet he had brown skin) racially abused me on the phone. He assumed I was black and called me a "f_____ black monkey".
I tore a strip off him and slammed the phone down.
Racism isn't confined to White people in Britain and the U.S., Twitter allows people to post anonymously. We have no idea if those people abusing were British/foreign, white/brown/black/yellow, left or right wing etc.
So we should not make assumptions.
The only thing that we know to be fact is that Twitter allows those words to be posted on their platform, allows people to post anonymously, does little to nothing to stop this awful behaviour and seems to be above the law...oh, and we know it is a Left wing platform. We can say that with certainty.
Twitter is responsible and we should hold them accountable. | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:45 - Jul 12 with 795 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:30 - Jul 12 by Ajack_Kerouac |
It was a shite clever dick penalty, by a clever dick.
Of course people can criticise the penalty....and of course, since Rashford's foray into politics, many will dislike him.
Footballers/celebrities are not beyond criticism for christ sake.
That's not racial abuse!
He apparently has been sent racial abuse on a social media platform.
If the Daily Mail allowed that you'd have a melt down...but it's ok for the likes of Twitter apparently!
There is a leap being made that because there are some racist posts on social media that;
a) that justifies the taking of the knee
&
b) it is symptomatic of a racism problem in our country.
That is a leap....the knee was about a political movement called BLM. People who do not support that political movement have every right to boo.
The players who bring politics in sport who have no right to bitch/whinge/cry when people boo their political gestures. They are not beyond criticism (nor are celebrities/Scientists/NHS staff etc. - people are people, not Gods).
The people who posted racial abuse on twitter - we have no idea who they are, what country they come from, what race they are etc.
Recently an Indian from a call centre in Delhi (It's a safe bet he had brown skin) racially abused me on the phone. He assumed I was black and called me a "f_____ black monkey".
I tore a strip off him and slammed the phone down.
Racism isn't confined to White people in Britain and the U.S., Twitter allows people to post anonymously. We have no idea if those people abusing were British/foreign, white/brown/black/yellow, left or right wing etc.
So we should not make assumptions.
The only thing that we know to be fact is that Twitter allows those words to be posted on their platform, allows people to post anonymously, does little to nothing to stop this awful behaviour and seems to be above the law...oh, and we know it is a Left wing platform. We can say that with certainty.
Twitter is responsible and we should hold them accountable. |
She’s attention seeking, again. | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:58 - Jul 12 with 788 views | Sirjohnalot |
Reading some of the above exchanges, it's quite sad.
Re the taking of the knee. Let's accept for the sake of arguemnt that the intial boos where on the basis that people did not like the BLM movement and its overall goals. Fair enough, that's a fair and understandable point. However, the English team made it very clear that what they were doing was in no way related to that, it was simply a stand agasint racist abuse, specifically what non white players (not just in the English team) have had to endure. Despite this being pointed out, the boos continued with the same 'reason' given despite being told this was not the reason.
The abuse given to Beckham was abhorrent. It was vile, nasty and disgusting, illegal under the Malicious Communications Act and if it happened today, and they could be traced, they'd be prosecuted.
The clearly racist behaviour over night was undoubtedly committed by the same types of people that abused Beckham. Racists are scummy bullies but they don't chose non black people as their targets. Had one of the players who missed the penalty been gay they'd have suffered homophobic abuse. These type of people have little empathy with others they will discriminate on race, religion, sexuality. You see them in court all the time.
Patel and Johnson have helped create a very hostile environment, where it is deemed acceptable to refer to Muslim women as 'letter boxes' and nothing happens. Had I done that, I'd be struck off, and rightly so. Gary Neville has spoken extremely eloquently on the matter on Sky this morning.
We all know the difference between silly banter and racism, but there is a massive line, I don't know why but it seems to be a football/alcohol linked theme where this doesn't apply.
I mean this with the greatest of respect to all on here, but to me, it's not difficult. I find it really upsetting, be it from Welsh, English or whoever. Just don't do it. |  | | |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 15:18 - Jul 12 with 771 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 14:58 - Jul 12 by Sirjohnalot |
Reading some of the above exchanges, it's quite sad.
Re the taking of the knee. Let's accept for the sake of arguemnt that the intial boos where on the basis that people did not like the BLM movement and its overall goals. Fair enough, that's a fair and understandable point. However, the English team made it very clear that what they were doing was in no way related to that, it was simply a stand agasint racist abuse, specifically what non white players (not just in the English team) have had to endure. Despite this being pointed out, the boos continued with the same 'reason' given despite being told this was not the reason.
The abuse given to Beckham was abhorrent. It was vile, nasty and disgusting, illegal under the Malicious Communications Act and if it happened today, and they could be traced, they'd be prosecuted.
The clearly racist behaviour over night was undoubtedly committed by the same types of people that abused Beckham. Racists are scummy bullies but they don't chose non black people as their targets. Had one of the players who missed the penalty been gay they'd have suffered homophobic abuse. These type of people have little empathy with others they will discriminate on race, religion, sexuality. You see them in court all the time.
Patel and Johnson have helped create a very hostile environment, where it is deemed acceptable to refer to Muslim women as 'letter boxes' and nothing happens. Had I done that, I'd be struck off, and rightly so. Gary Neville has spoken extremely eloquently on the matter on Sky this morning.
We all know the difference between silly banter and racism, but there is a massive line, I don't know why but it seems to be a football/alcohol linked theme where this doesn't apply.
I mean this with the greatest of respect to all on here, but to me, it's not difficult. I find it really upsetting, be it from Welsh, English or whoever. Just don't do it. |
Excellent post.
Agree with every word, except of course the booing of the knee. Whilst I understand the explanation given and why some may be confused why others won’t back it as a result, I also understand that many still won’t buy it. It represents something far greater than one team re-defining it. I personally wouldn’t boo it, but people react in different ways.
If they didn’t want it to be anything to do with BLM and the politics then they would adopt something that isn’t associated with them, but they didn’t. People don’t like it for very good reason, what it means to one won’t mean to another.
But you hit on a great point with regards to the abuse. I agree, the same type of people that abused Beckham will be the same sort to be abusing these guys. They are simply a scummy minority that will pick on any point of difference in order to get the greatest reaction and cause the most hurt or damage. | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 15:24 - Jul 12 with 764 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 15:18 - Jul 12 by Dr_Parnassus |
Excellent post.
Agree with every word, except of course the booing of the knee. Whilst I understand the explanation given and why some may be confused why others won’t back it as a result, I also understand that many still won’t buy it. It represents something far greater than one team re-defining it. I personally wouldn’t boo it, but people react in different ways.
If they didn’t want it to be anything to do with BLM and the politics then they would adopt something that isn’t associated with them, but they didn’t. People don’t like it for very good reason, what it means to one won’t mean to another.
But you hit on a great point with regards to the abuse. I agree, the same type of people that abused Beckham will be the same sort to be abusing these guys. They are simply a scummy minority that will pick on any point of difference in order to get the greatest reaction and cause the most hurt or damage. |
In an ideal world, they would do something different, maybe both teams line up in mixed lines, but the problem could then be that they would seen to be giving in to the people who are booing. May be, however something that is worth conceding to see if the booing does continue. | | | |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 15:25 - Jul 12 with 762 views | onehunglow |
These last two posts have returned sanity and reason to the topic so credit to our leaner friend and Dr P.
It makes this site worth reading.
I agree with both mainly. | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 15:52 - Jul 12 with 743 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 15:24 - Jul 12 by Sirjohnalot |
In an ideal world, they would do something different, maybe both teams line up in mixed lines, but the problem could then be that they would seen to be giving in to the people who are booing. May be, however something that is worth conceding to see if the booing does continue. |
Well for instance, I don’t remember the Kick it Out campaign ever being booed and there was a few seasons (or maybe one and I haven’t remembered correctly) where the Kick it Out banner was brought out and presented every game by the players.
Nobody had an issue with it, because again the vast majority of people are decent people with the morals and respect that go with that. The problem has specifically been when they adopted the BLM gestures synonymous with the politics that want to demonise people, defund the police and push for far left ideologies. There is a very good reason people won’t like anything to do with it.
But this recent craze to pretend everyone is a bigoted racist is utterly bizarre. Such a strange hobby, but clearly gives people some sort of thrill to think they are fighting some noble cause against the masses... despite it being nothing more than some idiots on Twitter. | |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 16:26 - Jul 12 with 724 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
On CNN right now...
"You can't have a culture where it's ok to boo those taking a knee"
They are saying that England is a racist country and also blaming Boris Johnson and Priti Patel.
Now I know CNN are liars...and I know that Twitter is run by a liar who censors people's speech based on their politics whilst allowing all kinds of crazy, disgusting, rubbish to be hosted on their platform.
Both are essentially propaganda.
So this smearing of Britain is not going to stand I'm afraid.
We need names of those who posted the racism, we need details, we need proof and we need consequences...and if it turns out that a lot of it was posted by people with ulterior motives or people from foreign countries we need consequences for those people too. | |
| "It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it" |
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| Racial abuse yet again, and all we hear are words. It has to end today on 16:49 - Jul 12 with 707 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Fans want their team to be racially invisible. I do not look on Routledge or Cabango as black men just real good players for Swansea. In fact if you asked me might need to stop and think about it for few seconds. I must admit seeing Cabango speaking Welsh warmed my heart. (call me a big softy)
The "taking of the knee" shoves this stuff into my face for me to digest. I do not need it. Andre Ayew supplemented the "taking of the knee" (which means something to some people and something else to others) by adding an "unofficial" black fist salute. I am not sure what that signifies but I am sure it was not passed by the club.
If Ayew is sending me this message to me I want to know why and if he has been subjected to any abuse whatsoever in Swansea?. I like to think not. I was a little concerned as to how he would be treated when he returned given his astronomical wages. I need not have worried.
When wearing the Swansea shirt they are not only representing themselves but the club it self, Swansea University, Trade Car Wales , Low Cost Vans West acres and the Turmeric Company.
Fans like me preferred when these issues were dealt with by the club not the clubs players own consciousnesses. Pushing these things onto individuals will surely end in tears. Palestine, Yemen the treatment of workers in Qatar, the Kurds, Rohinja Muslims in China, Amazon indigenous peoples, whales dolphins Greenpeace climate change you name it. The players can deal with this on the Facebook pages and not in a Swansea city shirt. This is what Mr Julian Winter is generously paid to deal with. [Post edited 12 Jul 2021 16:57]
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