| Serious question, Who would replace Martin 18:34 - Dec 29 with 15404 views | dantheswansman |
I see a lot of people saying Martin has to go but who would replace him?
please tell me who with our limited budget would even consider coming in and taking over, unless the owners seriously change their stance who could we possibly attract?
It never gets mentioned, you want Martin out but dont seem to look forward to who would bother taking us on
Genuinely interested because i am of the opinion Martin with a little more support from the owners could be excellent |  | | |  |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 19:11 - Dec 29 with 7811 views | Dr_Parnassus |
How much more support does he need?
We have spent more in the last season and a half than any season and a half in our football league history. He’s had millions of pounds worth of players from his old club. He’s had a whole season written off.
The guy has had more support than any manager I can remember in our history, completely unwarranted and unearned.
Gio Savarese as I’ve been saying for years is a perfect fit. Doesn’t cry about not having gazillions to spend, consistently over-performs, an actually good style of play, tactically astute, incredibly intelligent and well spoken - affordable. |  |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 19:21 - Dec 29 with 7802 views | KeithHaynes |
It’s unlikely in the next few weeks.
But - Matt Gray at Sutton. |  |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 19:43 - Dec 29 with 7780 views | QJumpingJack |
Cam Toshack
Osian Roberts
Bolton manager who did well at Barrow |  | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 19:51 - Dec 29 with 7748 views | onehunglow |
Anyone or nobody.
We would be better off simply by his leaving . Morale would lift immediately and players would sort themselves out with Joe Allen as player / manager .
Martin is choking the team,fans and club. | |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 20:05 - Dec 29 with 7745 views | builthjack |
Bielsa 5 month contract. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 20:52 - Dec 29 with 7712 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 20:05 - Dec 29 by builthjack |
Bielsa 5 month contract. |
Now we are talking ….. 18 months please. |  |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:13 - Dec 29 with 7690 views | grabsplatter |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 19:11 - Dec 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
How much more support does he need?
We have spent more in the last season and a half than any season and a half in our football league history. He’s had millions of pounds worth of players from his old club. He’s had a whole season written off.
The guy has had more support than any manager I can remember in our history, completely unwarranted and unearned.
Gio Savarese as I’ve been saying for years is a perfect fit. Doesn’t cry about not having gazillions to spend, consistently over-performs, an actually good style of play, tactically astute, incredibly intelligent and well spoken - affordable. |
I'm not defending the manager (I thought we should have sacked him months ago) but we made a comfortable profit on players in the summer, our net spend was 1 of the lowest in the Championship.
What is unforgivable is what we've spent our limited budget on - Fisher wasn't needed, Darling is error prone, Wood & Sorinola are poor.
There have to be managers out there who can do a better job than Martin. |  | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:15 - Dec 29 with 7676 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:13 - Dec 29 by grabsplatter |
I'm not defending the manager (I thought we should have sacked him months ago) but we made a comfortable profit on players in the summer, our net spend was 1 of the lowest in the Championship.
What is unforgivable is what we've spent our limited budget on - Fisher wasn't needed, Darling is error prone, Wood & Sorinola are poor.
There have to be managers out there who can do a better job than Martin. |
Net spend means nothing.
Steve Cooper had a minus £52m net spend or something similar, Potter a minus £35m net spend. These figures are rough, but it’s about the mark.
Russ was break even at last check, may be a couple of million in the minus. That’s an extreme luxury.
We have spent millions on new players, a luxury that most clubs don’t have. Many haven’t spent a penny in years. [Post edited 29 Dec 2022 21:16]
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:37 - Dec 29 with 7640 views | KeithHaynes |
As I said another unknown. | |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:44 - Dec 29 with 7619 views | pencoedjack |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 19:51 - Dec 29 by onehunglow |
Anyone or nobody.
We would be better off simply by his leaving . Morale would lift immediately and players would sort themselves out with Joe Allen as player / manager .
Martin is choking the team,fans and club. |
Joe Allen would be on my realistic list.
I’d love Robert’s but he wouldn’t leave Palace to come here on less money.
Those who are saying Bielsa are being a bit silly |  | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 22:19 - Dec 29 with 7588 views | KeithHaynes |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 19:51 - Dec 29 by onehunglow |
Anyone or nobody.
We would be better off simply by his leaving . Morale would lift immediately and players would sort themselves out with Joe Allen as player / manager .
Martin is choking the team,fans and club. |
Can you supply us with the source for this morale issue ?
Joe Allen ?
That would mean relegation, he has absolutely no experience, and isn’t that your response to Martin. What’s he ever done ? Well, now I’m asking you about Joe Allen as a manager 💠| |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 22:24 - Dec 29 with 7579 views | Scotia |
I don't think that there are many experienced managers / coaches who would do worse in the short term, say potentially until the end of the season.
We're getting the basics wrong as a sacrifice to whatever Martin is trying to achieve. Anybody could sort that out. | | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 22:25 - Dec 29 with 7581 views | grabsplatter |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:15 - Dec 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Net spend means nothing.
Steve Cooper had a minus £52m net spend or something similar, Potter a minus £35m net spend. These figures are rough, but it’s about the mark.
Russ was break even at last check, may be a couple of million in the minus. That’s an extreme luxury.
We have spent millions on new players, a luxury that most clubs don’t have. Many haven’t spent a penny in years. [Post edited 29 Dec 2022 21:16]
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Of course it means something, ask the owners, manager & most fans.
In this case we sold our most valuable asset in the summer & made a comfortable profit on players in/out so didn't spend millions - that's very relevant.
We've also reduced our wage bill massively.
I've made no mention of other managers, I was making a valid point regarding our spending, the hangover of Premier League wages & parachute payments skew any comparisons with Potter & Cooper. | | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 22:39 - Dec 29 with 7557 views | KeithHaynes |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 22:24 - Dec 29 by Scotia |
I don't think that there are many experienced managers / coaches who would do worse in the short term, say potentially until the end of the season.
We're getting the basics wrong as a sacrifice to whatever Martin is trying to achieve. Anybody could sort that out. |
Now that I agree with ( basics etc ) | |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 22:41 - Dec 29 with 7550 views | raynor94 |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:44 - Dec 29 by pencoedjack |
Joe Allen would be on my realistic list.
I’d love Robert’s but he wouldn’t leave Palace to come here on less money.
Those who are saying Bielsa are being a bit silly |
Exactly, why on earth would we want Bielsa, long past his sell by date |  |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 23:23 - Dec 29 with 7498 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 21:15 - Dec 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Net spend means nothing.
Steve Cooper had a minus £52m net spend or something similar, Potter a minus £35m net spend. These figures are rough, but it’s about the mark.
Russ was break even at last check, may be a couple of million in the minus. That’s an extreme luxury.
We have spent millions on new players, a luxury that most clubs don’t have. Many haven’t spent a penny in years. [Post edited 29 Dec 2022 21:16]
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"Net spend means nothing" is nonsense. For clubs like Swansea net spend is critical. It pays the electricity bills. It is real money. Net spend means nothing to Sovereign wealth funds at the top of the premier league of course who's only worry about Fair trading rules allowing themselves a notional jumbo deficits. Swansea cannot risk things like Chelsea do and trust there will always be a cash buyer to clear the debts and buy the club.
Potter's net spend was rebuilding as they had to s ditch the unsustainable high wage earners Fabianski, Ferndnadez, Mawson, Ayew and co.
Swansea can use the Downes money plus US investments in new shares to bring in new talent. It is Martin's job to increase the value of these players and players from the academy. |  |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 23:25 - Dec 29 with 7502 views | Luther27 |
Cameron Toshack | | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 23:58 - Dec 29 with 7454 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 23:23 - Dec 29 by ReslovenSwan1 |
"Net spend means nothing" is nonsense. For clubs like Swansea net spend is critical. It pays the electricity bills. It is real money. Net spend means nothing to Sovereign wealth funds at the top of the premier league of course who's only worry about Fair trading rules allowing themselves a notional jumbo deficits. Swansea cannot risk things like Chelsea do and trust there will always be a cash buyer to clear the debts and buy the club.
Potter's net spend was rebuilding as they had to s ditch the unsustainable high wage earners Fabianski, Ferndnadez, Mawson, Ayew and co.
Swansea can use the Downes money plus US investments in new shares to bring in new talent. It is Martin's job to increase the value of these players and players from the academy. |
It means nothing within the context of the discussion.
Expectations shouldn’t be set on net spend, things are bought and sold in different markets and they don’t have a direct value comparison.
When Spurs sold Bale for £100m, they were able to spend £100m on their squad and make that value in lesser markets. So let’s say they bought X3 £30m players from Spain with it - that’s far more advantageous than someone like Burnley spending £1m on a player and selling nobody.
Yet the net spend puts Burnley at -£1m and Spurs at +£10m. I think most would rather a £90m spending spree than a £1m one as the flexibility it allows the manager is exponentially better.
So with regards to Swansea, having a negative net spend is expected (and desirable). We had one throughout our Premier League stint where we were run at break even on transfers for much, and a net profit elsewhere until the last season which resulted in relegation.
Selling players such as Joe Allen and Scott Sinclair, allowed us to sign such players as Bony and Michu. Do you think we would have stayed in the Premier League if we kept the same squad together, sold nobody yet spent £2m a year? Out net spend would have been higher that way as opposed to what happened… of course not is the answer.
So again, net spend is meaningless. It’s the value of your squad at your disposal which is the important bit, and we have spent millions on players where other clubs haven’t spent a penny in years. We are at a distinct advantage over much of the league, this is a fact.
If net spend mattered then Cooper should have come bottom of the league with a whopping +£52m net spend. Poor bloke. [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 0:30]
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 00:03 - Dec 30 with 7441 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 22:25 - Dec 29 by grabsplatter |
Of course it means something, ask the owners, manager & most fans.
In this case we sold our most valuable asset in the summer & made a comfortable profit on players in/out so didn't spend millions - that's very relevant.
We've also reduced our wage bill massively.
I've made no mention of other managers, I was making a valid point regarding our spending, the hangover of Premier League wages & parachute payments skew any comparisons with Potter & Cooper. |
As above.
Net spend means nothing, it’s value of squad. Selling individual players for high amounts and reinvesting in lesser markets is not a negative, it’s highly rewarding for both club and manager. Last time we had a season with a heavy negative net spend… we were relegated.
For the loss of Downes we were able to bring in Nathan Wood, Sorinola, Joe Allen, Harry Darling, Luke Cundle and Oko-Flex plus service much of the recurring debt from the purchases the season previous of the likes of Obafemi, Piroe, Pato and Ntcham which allowed us the freedom to not have to sell them.
Would you swap all that back just to have Downes back?
Me neither. Net spend means nothing. [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 0:32]
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:15 - Feb 4 with 7137 views | dantheswansman |
SO the vocal minority want him gone but have absolutely nobody to replace him with, and the names they do mention are infinitely worse, this "supporter" base never fails to make me laugh, you don't look at the bigger picture at all, incredibly stupid! | | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:18 - Feb 4 with 7105 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:15 - Feb 4 by dantheswansman |
SO the vocal minority want him gone but have absolutely nobody to replace him with, and the names they do mention are infinitely worse, this "supporter" base never fails to make me laugh, you don't look at the bigger picture at all, incredibly stupid! |
What makes you say it’s a minority?
Which names are worse, in whose view, and by what metric? | |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:22 - Feb 4 with 7093 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:15 - Feb 4 by dantheswansman |
SO the vocal minority want him gone but have absolutely nobody to replace him with, and the names they do mention are infinitely worse, this "supporter" base never fails to make me laugh, you don't look at the bigger picture at all, incredibly stupid! |
After Martins tactical blunders and abysmal substitutions today he must go. He should have made at least a double substitution which meant he could have used a 4th sub to replace the injured player.
You should never take off both your goal scorers when hanging onto a 1 goal lead especially with our defence and goalkeeping are one of the worst in the Championship. | |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:24 - Feb 4 with 7073 views | onehunglow |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:18 - Feb 4 by Dr_Parnassus |
What makes you say it’s a minority?
Which names are worse, in whose view, and by what metric? |
Vocal minority!
Is right
Minority support an utterly inept Cusco.
Who replaces …
Me, my dog, the fella next door, Billy Williams , Biggles , anyone .
Joke …He certainly is | |
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| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:26 - Feb 4 with 7070 views | dantheswansman |
I agree with most of what you say but not a single name put forward is better than what we have, why deliberately go backwards | | | |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:27 - Feb 4 with 7060 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Serious question, Who would replace Martin on 18:15 - Feb 4 by dantheswansman |
SO the vocal minority want him gone but have absolutely nobody to replace him with, and the names they do mention are infinitely worse, this "supporter" base never fails to make me laugh, you don't look at the bigger picture at all, incredibly stupid! |
Who are you calling "incredibly stupid"?
I suggest that you brush up on forum rules. | | | |
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