| Is a coup possible 22:26 - Mar 18 with 1393 views | Boundy |
Considering the lack of support for politics in this country and the disdain held towards Starmer and co and with it a feeling of hopelessness when it comes to the rise of right leaning movements, fears against the mass immigration , cuts to the welfare system and targeting farming ,would it be possible that this government could ripe for a coup against it.
It was was widely reported during and after his death that during labour leader Harold Wilsons' tenure that he was a soviet spy and it was felt by the establishment of the time that he should be removed from office ,in as much that the Army took over control of Heathrow Airport reportedly as being an exercise , Operation Clock work orange . Wilson wasn't informed of this which reinforced the view that this was a practice run for the real thing.
The direction of this country atm is one of decay and decline ,maybe history will repeat its self ? |  |
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| Is a coup possible on 22:36 - Mar 18 with 1377 views | Dr_Winston |
Nah.
There is not and never has been an appetite for extremist politics in the UK. It's the reason why even at their height the BUF, National Front, BNP, Communists, SWP and similar rarely get anywhere near double figures in terms of support. It's also the reason why the likes of Michael Foot and Jeremy Corbyn were both roundly dismissed by the electorate.
The chances of senior military officers even considering the prospect, never mind actually trying to carry it out are zero. [Post edited 18 Mar 22:40]
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| Is a coup possible on 23:29 - Mar 18 with 1326 views | Kilkennyjack |
I might have tempted when the idiot Johnson was in charge of both Brexit and Covid.
Fat, lazy, useless liar.
Starmer has been recently elected with a huge majority and is impressing on tbe world stage.
There should be one in America though with the MAGA cult bullying long term friendly smaller countries but trying to buddy up with Putin. A total betrayal of their countries leader of the Western World status.
I hope you are not suggesting the British Crown Forces would seek to do anything other than do what they are told to do by our elected politicians. We are not at the banana republic state yet.
Be good to see the full Russia report issued though, would make darling Harold look like a schoolboy. [Post edited 18 Mar 23:32]
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| Is a coup possible on 23:56 - Mar 18 with 1290 views | Boundy |
| Is a coup possible on 23:29 - Mar 18 by Kilkennyjack |
I might have tempted when the idiot Johnson was in charge of both Brexit and Covid.
Fat, lazy, useless liar.
Starmer has been recently elected with a huge majority and is impressing on tbe world stage.
There should be one in America though with the MAGA cult bullying long term friendly smaller countries but trying to buddy up with Putin. A total betrayal of their countries leader of the Western World status.
I hope you are not suggesting the British Crown Forces would seek to do anything other than do what they are told to do by our elected politicians. We are not at the banana republic state yet.
Be good to see the full Russia report issued though, would make darling Harold look like a schoolboy. [Post edited 18 Mar 23:32]
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"I hope you are not suggesting the British Crown Forces would seek to do anything other than do what they are told to do by our elected politicians. We are not at the banana republic state yet.
Perhaps you should delve little deeper into our recent history , you may be surprised to find out that the British establishment is more than capable of carrying such acts , so much so that Operation Clockwork Orange was taken very seriously by some MPs and debated in the HoC in 1990 | |
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| Is a coup possible on 06:24 - Mar 19 with 1238 views | trampie |
The right wing elites tried to do a number on Harold Wilson, just shows its been going on for decades, they try to discredit and falsely label anyone seen to be on the left, they don't want to be taxed they want low tax low spend policies so they keep and grow their wealth to the detriment of ordinary people. |  |
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| Is a coup possible on 07:14 - Mar 19 with 1205 views | trampie |
Check out the wiki page on operation clockwork orange, it gives a good indication how the right wing is terrified of what they percieve to be the left (half the time they are discreding middle of the road type people, they just label them as being on the left) and how they act. | |
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| Is a coup possible on 07:20 - Mar 19 with 1193 views | builthjack |
If it was going to happen it would have happened when Liar Johnson lied to Queen and Country time and time again. |  |
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| Is a coup possible on 08:00 - Mar 19 with 1160 views | Scotia |
I think most people realise that things aren't really that bad and the country is skint. | | | |
| Is a coup possible on 08:06 - Mar 19 with 1151 views | Boundy |
| Is a coup possible on 08:00 - Mar 19 by Scotia |
I think most people realise that things aren't really that bad and the country is skint. |
I think you'll find that the country maybe and that's a large maybe skint but those who run it aren't and never will be .
Even a country as small as Wales in terms of GDP can still find the money to send to Uganda to enable them to grow trees. | |
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| Is a coup possible on 08:21 - Mar 19 with 1134 views | Scotia |
| Is a coup possible on 08:06 - Mar 19 by Boundy |
I think you'll find that the country maybe and that's a large maybe skint but those who run it aren't and never will be .
Even a country as small as Wales in terms of GDP can still find the money to send to Uganda to enable them to grow trees. |
Of course the countries leaders aren't skint. They run a country, it's a tough job and deserves the salaries they get if you compare them with other roles.
There is no doubt the country is skint, you just have to take a look at public services from refuse collection to surgery waiting times.
I'm not convinced Wales planting trees in Uganda is making a massive difference or is best use of money. It would be if everyone did it though. It also doesn't cost much. | | | |
| Is a coup possible on 08:46 - Mar 19 with 1120 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is a coup possible on 07:20 - Mar 19 by builthjack |
If it was going to happen it would have happened when Liar Johnson lied to Queen and Country time and time again. |
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| Is a coup possible on 08:52 - Mar 19 with 1116 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is a coup possible on 08:21 - Mar 19 by Scotia |
Of course the countries leaders aren't skint. They run a country, it's a tough job and deserves the salaries they get if you compare them with other roles.
There is no doubt the country is skint, you just have to take a look at public services from refuse collection to surgery waiting times.
I'm not convinced Wales planting trees in Uganda is making a massive difference or is best use of money. It would be if everyone did it though. It also doesn't cost much. |
Well said.
A big part of our skint reality is the Brexit that Boundy championed.
Sovereignty mosh.
The cost of the Liz Truss budget and Brexit is certainly of an order of magnitude more than any Uganda spend.
Its like comparing the cost if Morriston Hospital to a small box of plasters.
Not to mention illegal foreign wars by both Labour and Tory.
British Crown Forces are not elected and have no mandate - other than to follow the lawful orders of the elected politicians. Even Johnson. | |
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| Is a coup possible on 10:59 - Mar 19 with 1054 views | Luther27 |
Learn something new everyday.
Tbh Boundy I don’t think it will ever happen as apart from the dwindling numbers in our forces the majority of the hierarchy are too woke to even consider it. Also it appears quite a lot of personnel are constantly in court accused of various charges etc. it’ll never happen. | | | |
| Is a coup possible on 12:51 - Mar 19 with 974 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Is a coup possible on 08:21 - Mar 19 by Scotia |
Of course the countries leaders aren't skint. They run a country, it's a tough job and deserves the salaries they get if you compare them with other roles.
There is no doubt the country is skint, you just have to take a look at public services from refuse collection to surgery waiting times.
I'm not convinced Wales planting trees in Uganda is making a massive difference or is best use of money. It would be if everyone did it though. It also doesn't cost much. |
Starmer seems to be universally loathed for reasons I do not understand. He claims to have packed off 19,000 migrants which the Tories never managed. Some argue that many were voluntary but that is not relevant. They are off the budget. This equates to about 80 immigrants per day of his term.
He is looking after the Government finances which has never been a strong Labour party strong point.
He is backing freedom in Eastern Europe supporting UK military producers like Bae Systems and Quinetix. New jobs for munitions factory in Glascoed.
UK now needs to develop kit that is independent of flakey USA.
I see scum bag Boris went in low focussing on his time at the CPS [Post edited 19 Mar 12:57]
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| Is a coup possible on 16:13 - Mar 19 with 891 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Is a coup possible on 08:52 - Mar 19 by Kilkennyjack |
Well said.
A big part of our skint reality is the Brexit that Boundy championed.
Sovereignty mosh.
The cost of the Liz Truss budget and Brexit is certainly of an order of magnitude more than any Uganda spend.
Its like comparing the cost if Morriston Hospital to a small box of plasters.
Not to mention illegal foreign wars by both Labour and Tory.
British Crown Forces are not elected and have no mandate - other than to follow the lawful orders of the elected politicians. Even Johnson. |
It's really not, that's just a lie. If we accept the UK economy is 140 billion per year worse off then that money would cover the interest payments on our debt and not much else. 140 billion is a tiny amount compared to the national debt of 2.7 trillion. It has gone from around 89% of GDP to 96% and not because of brexit but because our politicians are useless.
I think most people are too apathetic to even consider a coup. Young people won't even join the army let alone start a civil war.
I love how you just brush off the millions the Senedd wastes or spends somewhere not in the interest of their electorate. As if Westminster being shit justifies what the Senedd do? | | | |
| Is a coup possible on 19:14 - Mar 19 with 815 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Is a coup possible on 16:13 - Mar 19 by SullutaCreturned |
It's really not, that's just a lie. If we accept the UK economy is 140 billion per year worse off then that money would cover the interest payments on our debt and not much else. 140 billion is a tiny amount compared to the national debt of 2.7 trillion. It has gone from around 89% of GDP to 96% and not because of brexit but because our politicians are useless.
I think most people are too apathetic to even consider a coup. Young people won't even join the army let alone start a civil war.
I love how you just brush off the millions the Senedd wastes or spends somewhere not in the interest of their electorate. As if Westminster being shit justifies what the Senedd do? |
The difference between the Senedd and Westminster is scale. There is waste in both. Why Labour did the 20 mph thing beggars belief. In USA it was 25 mph so there's would be stacks of data on this issue. The new voting g system is also suspect.
Activist and anti Welsh people use waste as an excuse to argue to abolish the Senedd. Better to change the MS s not the institution. They do not argue for abolishing the HoC or the HoL . | |
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| Is a coup possible on 20:57 - Mar 19 with 759 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Is a coup possible on 19:14 - Mar 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
The difference between the Senedd and Westminster is scale. There is waste in both. Why Labour did the 20 mph thing beggars belief. In USA it was 25 mph so there's would be stacks of data on this issue. The new voting g system is also suspect.
Activist and anti Welsh people use waste as an excuse to argue to abolish the Senedd. Better to change the MS s not the institution. They do not argue for abolishing the HoC or the HoL . |
Agreed. [Post edited 19 Mar 20:59]
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| Is a coup possible on 07:30 - Mar 20 with 647 views | trampie |
| Is a coup possible on 12:51 - Mar 19 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Starmer seems to be universally loathed for reasons I do not understand. He claims to have packed off 19,000 migrants which the Tories never managed. Some argue that many were voluntary but that is not relevant. They are off the budget. This equates to about 80 immigrants per day of his term.
He is looking after the Government finances which has never been a strong Labour party strong point.
He is backing freedom in Eastern Europe supporting UK military producers like Bae Systems and Quinetix. New jobs for munitions factory in Glascoed.
UK now needs to develop kit that is independent of flakey USA.
I see scum bag Boris went in low focussing on his time at the CPS [Post edited 19 Mar 12:57]
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I would guess Starmer is loathed by some people because some people thought that he in effect advocated murdering innocent civilians, women and children by initially saying Israel had a right to withhold power and water from Gaza as a war tactic, not sure if he rowed back from that in the end or not, it earned him the nickname by some of Kier Starver.
Him saying something awful like that and apparently he was a human rights lawyer, absolutely shocking.
Also he is probably loathed because of his part in the treatment of the old and less well off people because of what he did with the winter fuel allowance and now what is likely to happen to PIP and other benefits.
I personally don't like him because he is a right-wing Tory and he should not be in the Labour Party. | |
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| Is a coup possible on 09:23 - Mar 20 with 592 views | controversial_jack |
| Is a coup possible on 07:30 - Mar 20 by trampie |
I would guess Starmer is loathed by some people because some people thought that he in effect advocated murdering innocent civilians, women and children by initially saying Israel had a right to withhold power and water from Gaza as a war tactic, not sure if he rowed back from that in the end or not, it earned him the nickname by some of Kier Starver.
Him saying something awful like that and apparently he was a human rights lawyer, absolutely shocking.
Also he is probably loathed because of his part in the treatment of the old and less well off people because of what he did with the winter fuel allowance and now what is likely to happen to PIP and other benefits.
I personally don't like him because he is a right-wing Tory and he should not be in the Labour Party. |
I didn't vote Labour because of their support for the murderers in the middle east, but apart from that I think they are doing a good job | | | |
| Is a coup possible on 09:40 - Mar 20 with 573 views | trampie |
| Is a coup possible on 09:23 - Mar 20 by controversial_jack |
I didn't vote Labour because of their support for the murderers in the middle east, but apart from that I think they are doing a good job |
I don't think they are doing a good job because they are not hitting the rich, they are hitting the less well off, they are doing nothing about food banks and the like, locally they did nothing to save the heavy end at Port Talbot steelworks which was of UK national importance. | |
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| Is a coup possible on 09:57 - Mar 21 with 378 views | controversial_jack |
| Is a coup possible on 09:40 - Mar 20 by trampie |
I don't think they are doing a good job because they are not hitting the rich, they are hitting the less well off, they are doing nothing about food banks and the like, locally they did nothing to save the heavy end at Port Talbot steelworks which was of UK national importance. |
They have hit the rich farmers and landowners with IH. It's not the job of govt to bail out private profit making foreign companies, however much we feel for the workers | | | |
| Is a coup possible on 10:11 - Mar 21 with 368 views | trampie |
| Is a coup possible on 09:57 - Mar 21 by controversial_jack |
They have hit the rich farmers and landowners with IH. It's not the job of govt to bail out private profit making foreign companies, however much we feel for the workers |
Making rich farmers (because it's only rich farmers it effects) pay IH tax is only treating them the same as other people.
It's not the job of the government to bail out private companies correct but they could have nationalised Port Talbot steelworks or taken a share in the works if they agreed to keeping the furnaces, as it was of national importance, now apart from 2 smaller blast furnaces in Scunthorpe we can't make virgin steel and therefore things like ships and tanks etc without buying steel or the finished product from abroad as the quality of the steel arc furnaces make is not as good as what blast furnaces make at this present time. | |
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| Is a coup possible on 16:39 - Mar 21 with 278 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Is a coup possible on 09:40 - Mar 20 by trampie |
I don't think they are doing a good job because they are not hitting the rich, they are hitting the less well off, they are doing nothing about food banks and the like, locally they did nothing to save the heavy end at Port Talbot steelworks which was of UK national importance. |
" Do something about food banks" is reverse logic. I put a thread on here asking what is wrong with food banks?
Food banks in themselves are good. Pious serious people with excess funds helping those well off for free. This is the sort of "community" action I like. It is a 1000 Michael Sheens helping out in difficult times.
If you do not work and face no earned income life will inevitably be tough. The Government cannot d feed a cloth and keep everyone warm. The community to help itself. This is healthy and breeds such things as honour respect and gratitude.
The country has to cut it's debts. We are obsessed with property. There is huge wealth tied up in property.All elderly home owners live in a gold mine paid off and tax free. Tax on property is logical but would not be a vote winner.
They would rather go to the tax payer for benefits rather than sell up. NPT voted for Brexit aware of the risks. They were also well paid well above average. They should be financially secure in many cases | |
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