| This Club has lost the plot! 20:18 - May 29 with 8831 views | NoDiddley |
Concerning the pending clear out of the Lower Loft ST holders (& yes it is happening) To cut to the chase, me & 2 other mates have to move & for the pleasure have been awarded a free upgrade to GOLD for the inconvenience. So we phone the Box & ask if there are 3 seats together in South Africa Rd..Reply "Can't tell you, just send in your forms & we'll be in touch" FOR FCUKS SAKE you must know which seats are non ST holders? Why not offer them over the phone & we can fill our forms in accordingly.
When they realise the Lower Loft will be empty with imaginary 8 year olds the fcukin penny might drop.
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 13:27 - May 31 with 1261 views | SomersetHoops |
I really hope people who are moved get treated fairly and found places that suit them. When seating was put in I moved from my normal standing place behind the goal to the East Paddock and in recent times I've moved from near the tunnel to nearer the Loft end. I've not been a fan of sitting down to watch football or getting wet when seated as we do there when it rains, but the club had no choice about the introduction of full seating.
The real singers who would have been in the standing days in the Loft now seem to be opposite me around R block and changes already made have reduced the atmosphere from our end which has always been 'The Loft.
I fear this change will reduce it even further and the atmosphere and pressure against the opposition which spurred the team on to unexpected wins against supposedly stronger opponents will be lost for ever. On one hand TF praises that support while on the other has acted to undermine it. The most committed fans of most teams are found at the home end of most grounds of any football club and their position there is normally recognised by the whole football community.
If by their well meaning, badly considered actions they undermine the historic importance of having committed QPR fans in 'The Loft' these owners will be remembered for destroying something of importance to the club. If we must have a dedicated family area, somewhere near the centre of the pitch would be a more sensible place to put it. I have seen the form of words issued by the PR team to justify what is being done which consists of just waffle, with no explanation of why the fans were not consulted about it.
If we ever get the new stadium and although I have an affection for LR after many years of coming to it, I am not against it if we can justify it by extra numbers of fans, we will have nothing worthwhile to recreate there in terms of a home end as enjoyed by practically every other club we meet. |  |
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 19:05 - May 31 with 1216 views | Paula |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 13:27 - May 31 by SomersetHoops |
I really hope people who are moved get treated fairly and found places that suit them. When seating was put in I moved from my normal standing place behind the goal to the East Paddock and in recent times I've moved from near the tunnel to nearer the Loft end. I've not been a fan of sitting down to watch football or getting wet when seated as we do there when it rains, but the club had no choice about the introduction of full seating.
The real singers who would have been in the standing days in the Loft now seem to be opposite me around R block and changes already made have reduced the atmosphere from our end which has always been 'The Loft.
I fear this change will reduce it even further and the atmosphere and pressure against the opposition which spurred the team on to unexpected wins against supposedly stronger opponents will be lost for ever. On one hand TF praises that support while on the other has acted to undermine it. The most committed fans of most teams are found at the home end of most grounds of any football club and their position there is normally recognised by the whole football community.
If by their well meaning, badly considered actions they undermine the historic importance of having committed QPR fans in 'The Loft' these owners will be remembered for destroying something of importance to the club. If we must have a dedicated family area, somewhere near the centre of the pitch would be a more sensible place to put it. I have seen the form of words issued by the PR team to justify what is being done which consists of just waffle, with no explanation of why the fans were not consulted about it.
If we ever get the new stadium and although I have an affection for LR after many years of coming to it, I am not against it if we can justify it by extra numbers of fans, we will have nothing worthwhile to recreate there in terms of a home end as enjoyed by practically every other club we meet. |
I am new to this board, but I just wanted to tell you what the box office has just said to me. I sit with 5 friends in the lower loft (no kids). 4 of us managed to renew last week, but the final 2 were turned away this week. I rang the box office today to ask what we should do to keep us together. The lady at the box office said that letting people renew last week was an error and anyone who managed to renew would be contacted very soon to be told that their renewal was an error and that they would still have to move. I also asked if this policy was likely to be changed and they were quite sure there would be no change of mind by the club. We are therefore on the search for 6 nice seats to replace our lovely seats in LL which were carefully chosen 16 years ago. Very sad and pretty annoying. |  | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 19:12 - May 31 with 1212 views | wittle |
bang out of order and no real need for any of this | | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 19:47 - May 31 with 1191 views | michael67 |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 11:18 - May 31 by Juzzie |
I think the phrase "you can please some of the people all the time, all of the people some of the time but never all of the people all of the time" springs to mind.
What ever decisions are made about anything (seating, badge, kit, signings etc) some people will be OK with it, others won't.
If the current regime is deemed to have 'lost the plot', I can't wait to see what it'll be like when they find it.
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I wouldn't say this regime has lost the plot. More like mislaid it down the side of the sofa and will find it soon.
Unlike the previous clan, they didn't lose the plot. They had it. They just smashed it up with a big hammer, burned it, scooped away the ashes, cleaned away any evidence and just pretended it never existed in the first place. |  |
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:16 - May 31 with 1169 views | NoDiddley |
As the OP I might as well clarify the term 'lost the plot' as many have deemed it as some sort of generalisation of the club re ownership, CEO etc..
How & why can you take away a supporter of 40 years standing the right to choose where he WANTS to sit with his friends & family without the decency to contact them prior to making the decision? Then subsequently tell them that they can't find you anywhere else to go but fill in your form & we'll be in touch!
I'm all for kids going to matches I was one in 1965 at my first game, but to break up an area full of atmosphere created by people who have been TOGETHER for YEARS is NOT THE ANSWER! | | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:48 - May 31 with 1158 views | lowerloftgirl |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:16 - May 31 by NoDiddley |
As the OP I might as well clarify the term 'lost the plot' as many have deemed it as some sort of generalisation of the club re ownership, CEO etc..
How & why can you take away a supporter of 40 years standing the right to choose where he WANTS to sit with his friends & family without the decency to contact them prior to making the decision? Then subsequently tell them that they can't find you anywhere else to go but fill in your form & we'll be in touch!
I'm all for kids going to matches I was one in 1965 at my first game, but to break up an area full of atmosphere created by people who have been TOGETHER for YEARS is NOT THE ANSWER! |
Hi all, quick update, a group of us representing 9 potentially 14 season ticket holders whom this affects in the lower loft went to the club on monday. After having been shown to possible seating in the elles' and upper loft, it became clear very quickly that a number of problems arose, one, but the most important was that a number of the group could not actually fit in the seats, elles' has far tighter seats than the lower loft, and the upper loft was smaller still. These fans have nowhere else they can sit. The lower loft was designed back in the day to have far more leg and side room following requests by the taller / wider supporter, and for that reason many fans choose to sit there. In short we have at this stage chosen not to renew our season tickets, a dialogue has now been opened with Phil Beard, and we await his reply. As soon as this happens I will post more details of our position and the clubs reply. I will add that while at the club we met many other angry and shocked fans at the poor decision by the club. This must be reversed !
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 21:00 - May 31 with 1143 views | lowerloftgirl |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:48 - May 31 by lowerloftgirl |
Hi all, quick update, a group of us representing 9 potentially 14 season ticket holders whom this affects in the lower loft went to the club on monday. After having been shown to possible seating in the elles' and upper loft, it became clear very quickly that a number of problems arose, one, but the most important was that a number of the group could not actually fit in the seats, elles' has far tighter seats than the lower loft, and the upper loft was smaller still. These fans have nowhere else they can sit. The lower loft was designed back in the day to have far more leg and side room following requests by the taller / wider supporter, and for that reason many fans choose to sit there. In short we have at this stage chosen not to renew our season tickets, a dialogue has now been opened with Phil Beard, and we await his reply. As soon as this happens I will post more details of our position and the clubs reply. I will add that while at the club we met many other angry and shocked fans at the poor decision by the club. This must be reversed !
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Paul Warburton/FUlham Chronicle
QPR fans fume over season tickets
May 31 2012
HUNDREDS of QPR fans are bitterly disappointed after being forced to give up their season tickets in the lower Loft at Loftus Road.
Instead, the club intends to make the stand behind one of the goals an exclusive family area at the expense of stalwarts – some of whom have sat in the same seat for 20 years.
Peter Gates from West Kensington was just one of several contacting Chronicle Sport to complain.
“Rangers are my club and I don’t want to knock them – but I don’t think they’ve thought this through," he said.
“Why not make the Ellerslie Road stand for families?
“There are families, friends who have sat in the lower Loft for years who are being told to sit elsewhere – and I don’t want to.â€Â
Fan Paul Greenhill added: “There is already talk of the family stand open to abuse with borrowed birth certificates being in order to qualify as ‘family’.â€Â
Stuart Bilbe said: “The club have offered to sell us a gold rated season ticket at the price of a silver – but I’m told we would have to make up the difference the season after this.â€Â
However, the club insist a family friendly lower Loft is the future.
A spokesman said: “We are a family club and that's how we have positioned ourselves for many years, and even more so since the takeover last summer.
“This is not a decision we've taken lightly or indeed quickly. It’s a progression from a decision we took a couple of years ago to try and fill that specific area of the ground with young families, who are the life and soul of our supporter base and our future for many years to come.
“We have had a few isolated incidents in the family stand over the last few years, mainly foul and abusive language, which have highlighted the need for change in this area.â€Â
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 21:02 - May 31 with 1140 views | stowmarketrange |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:48 - May 31 by lowerloftgirl |
Hi all, quick update, a group of us representing 9 potentially 14 season ticket holders whom this affects in the lower loft went to the club on monday. After having been shown to possible seating in the elles' and upper loft, it became clear very quickly that a number of problems arose, one, but the most important was that a number of the group could not actually fit in the seats, elles' has far tighter seats than the lower loft, and the upper loft was smaller still. These fans have nowhere else they can sit. The lower loft was designed back in the day to have far more leg and side room following requests by the taller / wider supporter, and for that reason many fans choose to sit there. In short we have at this stage chosen not to renew our season tickets, a dialogue has now been opened with Phil Beard, and we await his reply. As soon as this happens I will post more details of our position and the clubs reply. I will add that while at the club we met many other angry and shocked fans at the poor decision by the club. This must be reversed !
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Cheers for posting that.Whilst it doesn't directly affect me,it means that a lot of people I know and sit with will have to move,which I think is unfair.
Maybe anybody who is affected can get together and fight it instead of just accepting it. |  | | |
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 21:04 - May 31 with 1138 views | lowerloftgirl |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 21:02 - May 31 by stowmarketrange |
Cheers for posting that.Whilst it doesn't directly affect me,it means that a lot of people I know and sit with will have to move,which I think is unfair.
Maybe anybody who is affected can get together and fight it instead of just accepting it. |
This is QPR1st's Statement from yesterday
QPR1st
Season Tickets and the Family Stand
Published May 28, 2012
QPR1st is pleased that prices for existing season ticket holders wishing to renew have not been increased. We urge the Club to publish the cost of new season tickets immediately for sake of clarity and transparency as it is not presently obvious if these will be the same price as renewals or different.
We also sympathise with the club’s ambition to create a family stand in the Lower Loft and acknowledge that the aim is to create an environment that will encourage families and a new generation of QPR supporters.
It is disappointing that this initiative comes at the cost of moving fans that have had seats in that area for many years. Supporters build an emotional relationship with their part of the ground and the people who they watch with: they are more than just seats in a sports stadium
We ask the club to reconsider this policy and request that fans are only asked to move on a voluntary basis to reduce upset and resentment created between fans and club. The trust will support the club in having a vigorous behaviour policy in the stand to ensure an atmosphere that is conducive to attracting families to QPR.
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 07:56 - Jun 1 with 1100 views | finney |
Clive fair points that the club is now in better hands and this is not the club losing it but a mistake.
Ted posts as always come across really well and his points really to the core of the issue and also the cost fans will take moving to gold is a serious one in seasons to come.
But because we are now in good hands and not that of the likes of Paladini and Flavio does not mean people can not express a mood that the move from the loft is for them wrong i would be the same.
I had to move to SA Road a few years ago after over twenty years of standing or sitting there due to people close to Paladini said i was not welcome there and not safe for me to be there i did not want too move but thought it best.
This is very different and i think the club have made a mistake to get the phase right in not having the people involved at a meeting where this could all have been sorted and people would have felt the club took the issue more serious.
For what it is worth my own views is the lower loft is the wrong place night games will look empty and people will get round it by getting under 8 season tickets so an empty seat will be there all season.
The club is in great hands we all agree on that but that does not mean people can not be upset over the loss of a seat which is more than that to some for those who have sat and stood with loved ones no longer here.
I still think the club have been to bullish on this.
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 08:04 - Jun 1 with 1093 views | ElHoop |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 19:47 - May 31 by michael67 |
I wouldn't say this regime has lost the plot. More like mislaid it down the side of the sofa and will find it soon.
Unlike the previous clan, they didn't lose the plot. They had it. They just smashed it up with a big hammer, burned it, scooped away the ashes, cleaned away any evidence and just pretended it never existed in the first place. |
They did however ensure that they had a plot to lose and that the plot could later be found by someone else. |  | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 08:08 - Jun 1 with 1089 views | Aunt_Nelly |
What have the Romans ever done for us? |  | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 10:20 - Jun 1 with 1059 views | slranger40 |
On the subject of under 8's and non Adult prices. Given the way all of this is administered and policed (from an entrance point of view) would the club not be better advised to have a cheaper standard ticket price which they could could apply accross the board?
It Would help the club to maintain revenue and could be managed so that the cost of it wasn't much different from the current charge.
The scenario where one adult also has 4 free under 8 tickets, that can pretty much be used by anyone, isn't really on.
On the other hand, tickets at £300 (silver say) would probably bring back more fans to the ground who have perhaps dropped out over time due to the rising costs.
This way if you wan't to bring your Son / Daughter you can. You just can't bring the other 5 nephews/neices too! as a point
How many underag childre can One adult conceivably take to the Football?
Would love to take a look at our database- bet we have a disproportionate number of under 8's going to games (with beards).
Makes more sense all round.
No problem with a family Area- just not all of the lower loft. It's too big. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 13:21 - Jun 2 with 1013 views | lowerloftgirl |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 10:20 - Jun 1 by slranger40 |
On the subject of under 8's and non Adult prices. Given the way all of this is administered and policed (from an entrance point of view) would the club not be better advised to have a cheaper standard ticket price which they could could apply accross the board?
It Would help the club to maintain revenue and could be managed so that the cost of it wasn't much different from the current charge.
The scenario where one adult also has 4 free under 8 tickets, that can pretty much be used by anyone, isn't really on.
On the other hand, tickets at £300 (silver say) would probably bring back more fans to the ground who have perhaps dropped out over time due to the rising costs.
This way if you wan't to bring your Son / Daughter you can. You just can't bring the other 5 nephews/neices too! as a point
How many underag childre can One adult conceivably take to the Football?
Would love to take a look at our database- bet we have a disproportionate number of under 8's going to games (with beards).
Makes more sense all round.
No problem with a family Area- just not all of the lower loft. It's too big. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Dear Mr Beard,
Thank you for your reply to the below email which I today recieved in the
post. I am sadden by your response at this stage. As you are aware you
spoke directly to Mr ********* a member of our group last monday outside
the box office, and he has since emailed you as requested, so a full
response to the position you and the club take will be taken by our group
of reciept of a direct reply from you to him as promised. But please note
carefully a major point in his correspondence to you in regard to the fact
that a number of our group simply physically can not sit in other stands
due to the much smaller seats there. We look forward to your urgent reply
to Mr ********* email, which so far has not been recieved.
Thank you
Mr **********
Below, clubs letter recieved today.
QUEENS PARK RANGERS
Dear Mr *******
First of all I would like to personally thank you for the feedback you have given the club with respect
to our decision to only allow family groups to sit in the Lower Loft Family Stand. It has been pleasing
to see that the BOX OFFICE has been able to accommodate so many adult supporters in different
areas of the ground, however I do appreciate some fans are finding the requirement to move more
difficult.
I would like to assure you this is not a decision we've taken lightly or indeed quickly. We are a family
Club and that's how we have positioned ourselves for many years, and even more so since the
takeover last summer.
We have had a few isolated incidentss in the family stand, mainly foul and abusive language, which
have highlighted the need for change in this area. Towards the end of last season we explored the
opportunity of moving the family stand to the lower school end, however it was decided the
proximity to away supporters might inhibit the family atmosphere needed for this section.
We have therefore made the extremely difficult decision to restrict the lower loft to family groups
containing junior supporters, who are the club's future for many years to come.
You have been coming to loftus road for many years and we appreciate how fond you are of sitting
in the Lower loft stand, so we hope the offer to upgrade your seat to a 'Gold' seating area for the
upcoming season will go some way to making the change easier. To talk through available seating
options, please call the Box Office team on 08444 777 007 (selecting option four for customer services).
I look forward to welcoming you to loftus road next season
Philip Beard
QPR CEO
Below, my email on finding out what the club planned to do.
An open response to Tony Fernandes, Amit Bhatia, and Phil Beard,
This is simply wrong ! No discussion, no warning, nothing, just like a
polictical party sneaking out the bad stuff under the cover of the good
news and hoping no one would notice. Like a dictatorship, even briatore
understood keeping the lower loft a mixed stand. You can not, and have no
right to just throw loyal supporters out of their seats like this,
Supporters like myself and many others around me who have stood and sat in
the same place for decades, through good and very many bad times. Tell me
how many families with under 8's will turn up at midweek games, winter
nights, and against foes like chelsea, west ham etc, and how many were
there against vauxhall motors ?? I'll tell you, very very few. The loft
has always been the vocal lung of the stadium, the home end. Your stupid
dicision announced today on twitter will kill the stadiums voice. The
lower loft is obviously the wrong place for a family stand, anyone would
have told you that, if you had bothered to ask. And where do you plan to
put all these displaced friends and families with no under 8's in their
groups ? Surely you must realise that the great displaced will want to sit
together in their previous groups, how will you accommodate this ? And
will those already in the relocated areas want the groups of the great
unwashed moved there ? Everyone I have spoken to this evening are
disgusted, and in shock at this very ill thought out idea. I'm sure there
will be 100's / 1000's complaining to you in the next few days as this
news creeps out. I strongly ask you to stop and reverse this action before
it is to late, you are simply hurting to many people, and creating a
nightmare.
I await your urgent response
Yours
QPR Loyal supporter since 1973
Mr **********
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 21:12 - Jun 2 with 981 views | lowerloftgirl |
Looks like once your over 8 you no longer have family entitlement. I know of a number of family groups and friends that this policy is going to seperate. I am angry, and very hurt by the way this whole thing has been conducted, I will not be made to feel by the club's rep's who have been here for just a few moments that I am in the wrong, so my 39 years count for jack ? ...... they have got this so wrong, a home end with no passion coming from it next season, and half empty seating, oh the opposition will be scared by the clown blowning up balloons into the shape of sausage dogs !! I grew from a very young age ( 5 ) watching this team from the loft, no balloons or clowns for me, to busy watching the greats of the 70's, I and many many others male and female did our apprenticeship with the adults around us, and we grew up just fine !! | | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 09:07 - Jun 3 with 943 views | lowerloftgirl |
Even if the family stand was full of 8 year olds with their parents,
the stewards would still need to listen out for bad language.
Some of the worse language normally comes from those with kids, under 8 or over, kids today hear worse in the playground or in their peer groups ! Will the club throw those families out of the LL, if dad / mum give it some ? | | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 10:17 - Jun 3 with 928 views | gigiisourgod |
Would surely make much more sense to move the family stand to the School End. | | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 17:29 - Jun 3 with 884 views | lowerloftgirl |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 10:17 - Jun 3 by gigiisourgod |
Would surely make much more sense to move the family stand to the School End. |
A great reply by qprmark over on qprreport to the following ......
Lower School End is too near the away fans for my liking, if anything kicks off it puts the family's first in the firing line!!
qprmark's reply -
It hasn't stopped the club putting the disabled supporters section at the bottom of X block, right next to the away fans in the corner of School lower so I hardly think it's a consideration of theirs.
This also has fu(k all to do with swearing.
From a marketing perspective the seats in the lower loft are deemed as being among the worst in the stadium and as such the club must charge the lowest amount that they charge for them. This means that the profit margin on those tickets is the smallest out of anywhere in the ground.
In the family section ticket prices are further reduced according to the age of the customer and even less profitable, so therefore putting the family section in the lower loft, the club minimises those losses.
The club's self-portrayal of it's-self as being 'family orientated' and doing this 'for the families' belies the fact that this section is open to the elements and is therefore the last place in the stadium I would want my child to sit.
If the club took the families' interests to heart before their own financial ones they would put the family section in R block and leave the loft to the hardcore vocal support, how it used to be back when no-one complained about bad language.
Moving the kids in with that section of supporters was a bad enough idea to begin with, to now not only persist with it even though it has had an obvious detrimental effect on the atmosphere in the ground but to now force long term loyal fans out of their seats into more expensive sections is plain scandalous on behalf of the club and makes their statements purporting to be a family club hollow.
Personally I believe that a packed, heaving loud Loft, like it was in the old days, would serve as a great advert for the club on MOTD and elsewhere visually, the noise would be so great the commentators would have to shout down their microphones to be heard above it all and therefore we would become a bigger and more attractive draw for the casual supporter than local neighbours whom frankly have a **** atmosphere and in one particularly sad case, pay people to wave flags around simply to try to look exciting.
The club should look to increase it's profits in those areas where the casual non-members will sit, capitalising on the atmosphere in the stadium that moving the family section away from the lower loft will inevitably create.
But most of all, the way the club is treating long term loyal fans is absolutely shocking and shows the actual gulf between the fans and the board still remains no matter who we're watching play for us on the pitch. | | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 19:14 - Jun 4 with 837 views | lowerloftgirl |
Good points made by both Lblock & stowmarketrange on the other thread, repeated below.
Another conundrum on this scenario
If I move to the lower loft with my 7 year old son this season then what happens next season or the one after when he doesn't qualify or if he decides half way through next season that a lifetime of grief is not for him?
Do I then become one of the clubs nomadic fans?
I sympathos with lowerloftgirl as I know a group of 9 who have watched together from there through thin and thinner. Now they are being split up and dispersed around the ground. A couple of them have decided to jack it in as the last straw reached after costs etc
A very sad affair
I have sat or stood in the loft since 1971 and I think that the seats there are a lot more comfortable than some others stands I've sat in.
I too have thought about not bothering anymore even though we are not affected directly.It should be about the friends and family that you go with,and have done for years.I don't want to sit in a stand with zero atmosphere.
My daughter doesn't always pay the greatest attention to the game taking place,so who are we to talk to about what is happening during the game?
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 19:57 - Jun 5 with 776 views | lowerloftgirl |
A post by rolybirkin on qprreport,
The management team at the club have got this one wrong. Simple as that, but now are facing the conundrum..... Do we lose face by changing our decision or do we force it through and lose hundreds of loyal QPR fans, but hey we may get a few children as long term fans.
Simply put, the leg room in the LL is greater than any other seating area. The party of 9 that LowerLoftGirl talks about must surely have some of the more rotund fans and similar to myself cannot sit comfortably in the UL r the Elles Rd stands.
The decision has to be overturned and now.
Win back the faith of the fans and you will be loved forever, but force this through and I cannot renew after 46 years of standing and sitting in the Loft.
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:03 - Jun 5 with 769 views | lowerloftgirl |
Lower Loft Renewals... by lowerloftgirl on 20:01 - Jun 5 with 3 views
A post by hertshoops on qprreport,
Last season I considered my lad old enough to sit through a match and appreciate what was going on. It was fantastic to replicate what my old dad must have felt bringing me along to stand in the loft at a similar age all those years ago, and what an amazing first season my boy had !
I feel the club are shooting themselves in the foot with this
As a regular visitor to the loft (and other parts of the ground this season) I feel saddened that the atmosphere in the lower loft can only suffer from the club forcing these longstanding fans to shift elsewhere
If the club are trying to enhance the 'spectator experience' for those with children by making the lower loft 50% children, surely they will be turning most of them off by sanitising that atmosphere ?
What about those forcibly seperated from their longstanding mates - how is their 'spectator experience' being enhanced ?
We tend to gravitate towards PL if we can as we both want to be closer to the singing, but if the atmosphere in the loft is crap next season we'll be in ellers regardless of any family stand pony
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:09 - Jun 5 with 759 views | loftboy |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:03 - Jun 5 by lowerloftgirl |
Lower Loft Renewals... by lowerloftgirl on 20:01 - Jun 5 with 3 views
A post by hertshoops on qprreport,
Last season I considered my lad old enough to sit through a match and appreciate what was going on. It was fantastic to replicate what my old dad must have felt bringing me along to stand in the loft at a similar age all those years ago, and what an amazing first season my boy had !
I feel the club are shooting themselves in the foot with this
As a regular visitor to the loft (and other parts of the ground this season) I feel saddened that the atmosphere in the lower loft can only suffer from the club forcing these longstanding fans to shift elsewhere
If the club are trying to enhance the 'spectator experience' for those with children by making the lower loft 50% children, surely they will be turning most of them off by sanitising that atmosphere ?
What about those forcibly seperated from their longstanding mates - how is their 'spectator experience' being enhanced ?
We tend to gravitate towards PL if we can as we both want to be closer to the singing, but if the atmosphere in the loft is crap next season we'll be in ellers regardless of any family stand pony
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| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:42 - Jun 5 with 747 views | lowerloftgirl |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:09 - Jun 5 by loftboy |
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sorry was doing the IRONING !! Like people to see what others are saying about this very important issue x | | | |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 23:03 - Jun 5 with 705 views | ted_hendrix |
| This Club has lost the plot! on 20:03 - Jun 5 by lowerloftgirl |
Lower Loft Renewals... by lowerloftgirl on 20:01 - Jun 5 with 3 views
A post by hertshoops on qprreport,
Last season I considered my lad old enough to sit through a match and appreciate what was going on. It was fantastic to replicate what my old dad must have felt bringing me along to stand in the loft at a similar age all those years ago, and what an amazing first season my boy had !
I feel the club are shooting themselves in the foot with this
As a regular visitor to the loft (and other parts of the ground this season) I feel saddened that the atmosphere in the lower loft can only suffer from the club forcing these longstanding fans to shift elsewhere
If the club are trying to enhance the 'spectator experience' for those with children by making the lower loft 50% children, surely they will be turning most of them off by sanitising that atmosphere ?
What about those forcibly seperated from their longstanding mates - how is their 'spectator experience' being enhanced ?
We tend to gravitate towards PL if we can as we both want to be closer to the singing, but if the atmosphere in the loft is crap next season we'll be in ellers regardless of any family stand pony
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