| Daily Mail 22:38 - Apr 14 with 34792 views | IAN05 |
Looks like they have got hold of the training ground fight story. |  | | |  |
| Daily Mail on 10:16 - Apr 15 with 2938 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 10:08 - Apr 15 by Spratty |
If the inside information is to be believed (backed up by their own comments and observable behaviour) It is because our Captains thought they should be running the place and our Chairman choose to put the dissenters in charge.
The laws of physics could have predicted the outcome from such a scenario. |
I'm yet to read any comment stating that splits were caused by Monk and Williams. Everything I have read has been the press pointing towards a split caused by Spanish players being allowed to form cliques at the training ground and socially. I have no idea if that is true, but that is what was reported. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 10:18 - Apr 15 with 2922 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 10:16 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
I'm yet to read any comment stating that splits were caused by Monk and Williams. Everything I have read has been the press pointing towards a split caused by Spanish players being allowed to form cliques at the training ground and socially. I have no idea if that is true, but that is what was reported. |
Clique's work both ways. Should have been sorted earlier, by management and players. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 10:20 - Apr 15 with 2914 views | Drizzle |
This all happened under Sousa as well didn't it. If Leicester hadn't come in who knows what would have happened. [Post edited 15 Apr 2014 10:21]
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| Daily Mail on 10:21 - Apr 15 with 2907 views | Cottsy |
| Daily Mail on 00:33 - Apr 15 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I'm not saying I believe what you have said, but everytime Williams and Vasquez are on the pitch together, Williams noticeably screams at Vasquez constantly. |
To be fair I think everyone screams constantly at Vazquez whenever he's on the pitch. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 10:24 - Apr 15 with 2893 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 10:18 - Apr 15 by Uxbridge |
Clique's work both ways. Should have been sorted earlier, by management and players. |
No argument there from me, was purely responding to Sprattys comment that comments backed up that Monk Williams caused split, whereas the media have chosen to blame the Spaniards.
A large part of problems we are seeing are down as much to Laudrup as anyone else. It was his job to prevent these kind of cliques appearing. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 10:24 - Apr 15 with 2886 views | QuakerJack |
| Daily Mail on 10:21 - Apr 15 by Cottsy |
To be fair I think everyone screams constantly at Vazquez whenever he's on the pitch. |
If Vasquez becomes isolated as a result of this then it could be a good thing... hopefully Ngog is in the spanish clique as well |  |
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| Daily Mail on 10:25 - Apr 15 with 2874 views | Darran |
| Daily Mail on 10:24 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
No argument there from me, was purely responding to Sprattys comment that comments backed up that Monk Williams caused split, whereas the media have chosen to blame the Spaniards.
A large part of problems we are seeing are down as much to Laudrup as anyone else. It was his job to prevent these kind of cliques appearing. |
Ian seriously Sprattys got an agenda. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 10:30 - Apr 15 with 2848 views | Darran |
“Yes, there were a couple of incidents between certain players, which the club does not condone yet understands. They were quickly dealt with and everyone moved on.
“We are in a difficult position in the league and everyone wants to secure top-flight status for the club as soon as possible.
“There are a lot of winners within the squad and they want to finish the job. You only have to look at the commitment and effort they put in against Chelsea on Sunday with just 10 men to see that.
"It certainly looked like a team that was fighting for each other rather than against each other - as is being suggested in some quarters."
Obviously everyone will run with the Mail article though.
http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-play-reports-training-groun | |
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| Daily Mail on 10:31 - Apr 15 with 2840 views | magicdaps10 |
Problem here is that a lot of the players have belived the hype at the beginning of last year and have over inflated ego's.
Laudrup by the sounds of it did not help this situation and didn't put his foot down on things as I would have imagined Rodgers or Martinez would have.
Think Laudrup has created a lot of problems within the camp by simply being to relaxed and has now left a big job for the board and new management team to sort out.
Think a cull from the squad of certain players whether we like it or not is very much needed. |  |
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| Daily Mail on 11:08 - Apr 15 with 2750 views | Spratty |
| Daily Mail on 10:25 - Apr 15 by Darran |
Ian seriously Sprattys got an agenda. |
As follows:
Hate unfairness and lies
Hate treachery
Want a qualified and experienced manager in charge of our club - who is given the full support of the board |  | | |
| Daily Mail on 11:31 - Apr 15 with 2676 views | Darran |
| Daily Mail on 11:08 - Apr 15 by Spratty |
As follows:
Hate unfairness and lies
Hate treachery
Want a qualified and experienced manager in charge of our club - who is given the full support of the board |
We could have the most qualified experienced manager in charge and after you'd be exactly the same because of your beloved Michael.
People only have to look back through your posts to see your agenda.
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| Daily Mail on 11:38 - Apr 15 with 2652 views | Musical_Swan |
| Daily Mail on 10:30 - Apr 15 by Darran |
“Yes, there were a couple of incidents between certain players, which the club does not condone yet understands. They were quickly dealt with and everyone moved on.
“We are in a difficult position in the league and everyone wants to secure top-flight status for the club as soon as possible.
“There are a lot of winners within the squad and they want to finish the job. You only have to look at the commitment and effort they put in against Chelsea on Sunday with just 10 men to see that.
"It certainly looked like a team that was fighting for each other rather than against each other - as is being suggested in some quarters."
Obviously everyone will run with the Mail article though.
http://www.southwales-eveningpost.co.uk/Swansea-City-play-reports-training-groun |
This! Game over.  |  |
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| Daily Mail on 11:45 - Apr 15 with 2627 views | WarwickHunt |
| Daily Mail on 09:35 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
He has an office at the Training ground.
He watches some sessions as a result. You can criticise this board for many things but watching Training is not one of them. |
Huge difference between watching training and being "on the training ground" and "helping with first team matters*"
*Monk's words. |  | | |
| Daily Mail on 11:49 - Apr 15 with 2604 views | Uxbridge |
| Daily Mail on 11:45 - Apr 15 by WarwickHunt |
Huge difference between watching training and being "on the training ground" and "helping with first team matters*"
*Monk's words. |
Rather depends what he's doing. If he's actively involved in training sessions I'd agree that's inappropriate. if he's talking to players directly then I'd also agree (unless it's contract related or some such). If it's to ensure everything is under control then I'd say that's entirely appropriate. | |
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| Daily Mail on 12:18 - Apr 15 with 2520 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 11:45 - Apr 15 by WarwickHunt |
Huge difference between watching training and being "on the training ground" and "helping with first team matters*"
*Monk's words. |
There is not a cat in hells chance that HJ takes any part in the 'Training'. We would have heard about it if he did. Plus, he wouldn't have had to sack Laudrup for a 'decline in standards' if he was controlling it.
The board here have had a great run in terms of goodwill from supporters over the years, but this constant search for things to hammer them for at the moment is ludicrous. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 12:19 - Apr 15 with 2512 views | Spratty |
| Daily Mail on 10:16 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
I'm yet to read any comment stating that splits were caused by Monk and Williams. Everything I have read has been the press pointing towards a split caused by Spanish players being allowed to form cliques at the training ground and socially. I have no idea if that is true, but that is what was reported. |
And who was speaking to the press?
Ash has made clear comments about the role of him and Monk in "saving the club". Their attitude towards ML has been evident in many many snidey remarks since.
It was reported via an insider on the day that Huw's dramatic "rethink" was caused by players refusing to work with Laudrup. If correct unlikely it was the Spanish players.
When Laudrup was gone and Monk was asked on TV about being Laudrup's no. 2 he said very confidently and half laughing "never going to happen, never going to happen"
My guess Laudrup had a more laid back style (this does not mean could not be assed) he probably gave players more freedom within limits as thought this more productive (whatever, worked well last year). Monk and Ash took exception to this because is was not the way they thought it should be done and started trying to impose their will as the old guard and not happy at losing power. A poor relationship between Huw and ML and Huw undoubtedly using the senior players for intel - gave them the perfect opportunity to pursue their own agenda. ML not particularly wanting Monk on his management team and previously seeming to want to offload Ash (regardless of the strength of his play) tells its own story. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 12:35 - Apr 15 with 2477 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 12:19 - Apr 15 by Spratty |
And who was speaking to the press?
Ash has made clear comments about the role of him and Monk in "saving the club". Their attitude towards ML has been evident in many many snidey remarks since.
It was reported via an insider on the day that Huw's dramatic "rethink" was caused by players refusing to work with Laudrup. If correct unlikely it was the Spanish players.
When Laudrup was gone and Monk was asked on TV about being Laudrup's no. 2 he said very confidently and half laughing "never going to happen, never going to happen"
My guess Laudrup had a more laid back style (this does not mean could not be assed) he probably gave players more freedom within limits as thought this more productive (whatever, worked well last year). Monk and Ash took exception to this because is was not the way they thought it should be done and started trying to impose their will as the old guard and not happy at losing power. A poor relationship between Huw and ML and Huw undoubtedly using the senior players for intel - gave them the perfect opportunity to pursue their own agenda. ML not particularly wanting Monk on his management team and previously seeming to want to offload Ash (regardless of the strength of his play) tells its own story. |
Ah, your guess !!!
Your Monk and Williams get rid of Laudrup story would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous. Directors know exactly what happens at clubs on a daily basis. There is no way premiership status and potential multi million pound law suits would be risked because of a personal vendetta by two players.
There is thinking that Laudrup did a decent job and then there is blindly refusing to accept the problems that were plain to see and widely reported. The local media are always well versed on the day to day running of the club. Why do you think they are pretty unanimous in their opinion that Laudrup had to go ? | | | |
| Daily Mail on 12:36 - Apr 15 with 2470 views | QuakerJack |
| Daily Mail on 12:19 - Apr 15 by Spratty |
And who was speaking to the press?
Ash has made clear comments about the role of him and Monk in "saving the club". Their attitude towards ML has been evident in many many snidey remarks since.
It was reported via an insider on the day that Huw's dramatic "rethink" was caused by players refusing to work with Laudrup. If correct unlikely it was the Spanish players.
When Laudrup was gone and Monk was asked on TV about being Laudrup's no. 2 he said very confidently and half laughing "never going to happen, never going to happen"
My guess Laudrup had a more laid back style (this does not mean could not be assed) he probably gave players more freedom within limits as thought this more productive (whatever, worked well last year). Monk and Ash took exception to this because is was not the way they thought it should be done and started trying to impose their will as the old guard and not happy at losing power. A poor relationship between Huw and ML and Huw undoubtedly using the senior players for intel - gave them the perfect opportunity to pursue their own agenda. ML not particularly wanting Monk on his management team and previously seeming to want to offload Ash (regardless of the strength of his play) tells its own story. |
he also wanted to offload Monk when he first got the job... I don't think things were right under Laudrup from day one, which is comforting because we won a cup under him so we can certainly stay in the league | |
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| Daily Mail on 12:41 - Apr 15 with 2452 views | QuakerJack |
Of course they weren't eating crisps, they were all on the coco pops mun | |
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| Daily Mail on 12:49 - Apr 15 with 2421 views | Private_Partz |
I know there is a school of thought that the club should not respond to press speculation. I think it should be nipped in the bud and congrats go to Huw for doing this. This is despite my serious concerns about the way he and the board have acted in recent months. Credit where credit is due as far as I am concerned. We now need to stick together now and support the club to the hilt and hope the damage caused does not result in us losing our Premiership status. |  |
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To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
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| Daily Mail on 12:52 - Apr 15 with 2404 views | IAN05 |
| Daily Mail on 12:36 - Apr 15 by QuakerJack |
he also wanted to offload Monk when he first got the job... I don't think things were right under Laudrup from day one, which is comforting because we won a cup under him so we can certainly stay in the league |
His approach was so far removed from that of Rodgers, the club should probably have considered there would be some issues with existing players. Rodgers was by many players comments, the best man manager they had worked with. Laudrup seemed to have very little time for players and would not spend time explaining things to them in the way that is the norm in British football. If succesfull, players will forgive you for that, but as soon as you start to struggle, players need more communication and they become less forgiving if it doesn't happen. | | | |
| Daily Mail on 12:53 - Apr 15 with 2395 views | Jokeren1943 |
| Daily Mail on 11:31 - Apr 15 by Darran |
We could have the most qualified experienced manager in charge and after you'd be exactly the same because of your beloved Michael.
People only have to look back through your posts to see your agenda.
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And you saw any critic of Monk as a betrayal of Swansea.
Why do everyone have to think alike - shite i thought this was a forum with a free debate. |  | | |
| Daily Mail on 12:56 - Apr 15 with 2379 views | Spratty |
| Daily Mail on 12:35 - Apr 15 by IAN05 |
Ah, your guess !!!
Your Monk and Williams get rid of Laudrup story would be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous. Directors know exactly what happens at clubs on a daily basis. There is no way premiership status and potential multi million pound law suits would be risked because of a personal vendetta by two players.
There is thinking that Laudrup did a decent job and then there is blindly refusing to accept the problems that were plain to see and widely reported. The local media are always well versed on the day to day running of the club. Why do you think they are pretty unanimous in their opinion that Laudrup had to go ? |
My guess at the precise scenario - and deliberately marked up as such. So do not try to imply that what I post is guesswork as that is far from the truth and is why I deliberately put my guess on that paragraph.
Certainly don't seem to know what's going on in the ticket office and the one who does is talking absolute proven bollox so that theory blown. Many on here think the club is not well run in a number of aspects especially for a PL club. I think therefore your statement is a bit naieve.
"There is no way premiership status and potential multi million pound law suits would be risked" - yea you would like to think so - unbelievable isn't it
Also as described it is well beyong a personal vendetta by a couple of players, it is a power play between the 2 Captains with much to gain and a manager who wants to run the team without interference as he stated from the start. It is an unresolved poor relationship between the Chairman and the manager that has allowed things to come to this.
Who teaches the press their verses and why is Wathan so stubbornly pro the Board / Monk that he took out the compliments Vorm had made to Laudrup in his version of the story?
No doubt there were problems. The question is who caused them and why were they not resolved soooner? | | | |
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