| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history 11:52 - Sep 12 with 21610 views | mingthemerciless |
Well that's a turn up for the book. No more austerity lite from the Labour Party hopefully. |  | | |  |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:37 - Sep 12 with 2570 views | SuddenLad |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:26 - Sep 12 by 1mark1 |
From what I know, Privy council membership although at the invitation of the queen, does not require support to her. I am sure there have been other leaders of opposition parties who in the past have been Republicans. I am not sure if it's automatic for the leader of the opposition to become Privy council member or not, but it is something that we would expect them to be part of.
NO one would be a hypocrite to become member of the Privy council if leader of a party, because quite frankly it is what is expected, as it's part of the job, and makes it easier for Government ministers to share state secrets, or matters of urgency like impending war or military action, or terrorist threats, to be shared with opposition leaders so that they have full facts of these issues. |
This is the oath of allegiance as sworn by members on appointment:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/a-z_of_parliament/p-q/85690.stm |  |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:39 - Sep 12 with 2564 views | Bobbyjoe |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:13 - Sep 12 by SalwaDale |
What we do have now is an opposition who are likely to actually oppose rather than the current central politics. It does seem that Corbyn has enthused people. I'm intrigued to see what happens. |
Quite so. The first conviction politician since MT. For thirty years there has been no difference amongst politicians of any party. At least now there's a choice. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:44 - Sep 12 with 2551 views | 1mark1 |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:31 - Sep 12 by D_Alien |
Yes, and that's a worry.
Do I trust Corbyn to act in the best interests of his country?
Quite frankly, no. |
What like this PM and the past few?
If there are any worries about JC, then the security services will no doubt have proof that he should not be trusted. |  |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:46 - Sep 12 with 2547 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:27 - Sep 12 by SuddenLad |
But you're not a front-line politician who stands on his principles. You can hardly be a Republican politician and then accept a personal invitation from the Monarch, thus elevating you into the close inner circle of the very thing you despise. |
Sorry, what do I despise? I don't agree that there should be a monarchy not sure I despise it. That's why I can live with it. If I wanted to get rid of something that plenty more people love and cherish and that thing was not hurting people then I would be being dictatorial. Maggie Thatcher did not like the NHS but realised that lots of people didn't. She compromised. Corbyn will have to do that. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:52 - Sep 12 with 2534 views | D_Alien |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:44 - Sep 12 by 1mark1 |
What like this PM and the past few?
If there are any worries about JC, then the security services will no doubt have proof that he should not be trusted. |
And I've no doubt there'll be briefs being passed around MI5 as we speak... so to speak!
Agreed though, that what constitutes "the best interests of the country" is a different debate.
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:52 - Sep 12 with 2532 views | 1mark1 |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:12 - Sep 12 by BigDaveMyCock |
There's also a good few million battered and bruised former Lib Dem voters requiring a loving home. |
Many will go to Lab, some will go Green and some will return to the Libs. Of course many will like ,many of the former Lab voters, won't vote at all. Lab, Libs and Greens have all seen big increases in their memberships since the GE. Lab the most increase followed by Greens then Lib Dems. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:54 - Sep 12 with 2525 views | isitme |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:52 - Sep 12 by 1mark1 |
Many will go to Lab, some will go Green and some will return to the Libs. Of course many will like ,many of the former Lab voters, won't vote at all. Lab, Libs and Greens have all seen big increases in their memberships since the GE. Lab the most increase followed by Greens then Lib Dems. |
Corbyn will lose lots of floating Labour/Tory voters which determine who wins elections. |  | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:02 - Sep 12 with 2507 views | 1mark1 |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:52 - Sep 12 by D_Alien |
And I've no doubt there'll be briefs being passed around MI5 as we speak... so to speak!
Agreed though, that what constitutes "the best interests of the country" is a different debate.
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JC, like the 99.9 % of the population will have the interests of what he believes is the country at heart. Of course we all have different thoughts and beliefs as to what is best for the country.
Be interested to see how the Daily Mail and Sun, who are both foreign owned/owned by tax exiles , attack JC and to see what they throw at him as far as him acting in the best interest of the country. Wonder if they will support what the Tories are saying, trying to say that JC will be a danger to the security of the country. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:15 - Sep 12 with 2477 views | D_Alien |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:02 - Sep 12 by 1mark1 |
JC, like the 99.9 % of the population will have the interests of what he believes is the country at heart. Of course we all have different thoughts and beliefs as to what is best for the country.
Be interested to see how the Daily Mail and Sun, who are both foreign owned/owned by tax exiles , attack JC and to see what they throw at him as far as him acting in the best interest of the country. Wonder if they will support what the Tories are saying, trying to say that JC will be a danger to the security of the country. |
I actually fear for his wellbeing, certainly his psychological wellbeing. Although he's handled the spotlight relatively well these past few weeks, the pressures of office will be another matter altogether.
Anyone who saw his irritated reaction to the camera crew outside his house when he was getting on his bike the other day - well, just multiply that x100, day in, day out.
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:38 - Sep 12 with 2438 views | 49thseason |
This is 1980 deja vue:
I remember similar Labour party celebrations when Michael Foot became leader.. remind me , how did that turn out? Ah yes the split of the Labour party (and the formation of the Social Democrats) and defeat at the next election. For the benefit of you youngsters Michael foot was 67 and given to wearing donkey jackets .. ring any bells?
The turkeys have voted for Christmas....again! |  | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:48 - Sep 12 with 2419 views | SalwaDale |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:38 - Sep 12 by 49thseason |
This is 1980 deja vue:
I remember similar Labour party celebrations when Michael Foot became leader.. remind me , how did that turn out? Ah yes the split of the Labour party (and the formation of the Social Democrats) and defeat at the next election. For the benefit of you youngsters Michael foot was 67 and given to wearing donkey jackets .. ring any bells?
The turkeys have voted for Christmas....again! |
But so be it. At least choice is back. |  |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:50 - Sep 12 with 2416 views | 1mark1 |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 16:38 - Sep 12 by 49thseason |
This is 1980 deja vue:
I remember similar Labour party celebrations when Michael Foot became leader.. remind me , how did that turn out? Ah yes the split of the Labour party (and the formation of the Social Democrats) and defeat at the next election. For the benefit of you youngsters Michael foot was 67 and given to wearing donkey jackets .. ring any bells?
The turkeys have voted for Christmas....again! |
Not true. Michael Foot was not voted in by anything like the same numbers of support by the party membership. He had to put up with a much more divided party. Foot, a honorable man was shafted by dishonorable people, especially the traitors of the SDP, but also by the right wingers who formed most of the PLP. The membership of the LP at that time, was also more split.
The division this time is between the membership and in the main out of touch MPs- ring any bells, the same MPs in the main who could not convince people in other than very safe Lab seats to vote Lab, who supported Tory lite policies and failed to inspire millions of former Lab supporters to vote for them. This time there will be no new party, though a couple might cross the floor to join UKIP or Tories if they have the guts, no one has the guts to form a new party as they would get next to no support. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:12 - Sep 12 with 2340 views | SuddenLad |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 15:46 - Sep 12 by BigDaveMyCock |
Sorry, what do I despise? I don't agree that there should be a monarchy not sure I despise it. That's why I can live with it. If I wanted to get rid of something that plenty more people love and cherish and that thing was not hurting people then I would be being dictatorial. Maggie Thatcher did not like the NHS but realised that lots of people didn't. She compromised. Corbyn will have to do that. |
No BDM - it was Corbyn who said he despised the idea of a Monarchy - I wasn't claiming that you did.
It just throws up an interesting scenario at the beginning of his term of office. Does a staunch Republican swear an oath of allegiance to The Queen, in order to carry out his duties as leader of H.M. Opposition, which he will be required to do (as all party leaders must do) in the House of Commons.
He then takes on the title The Right Honourable Jeremy Corbyn which will surely be at odds with his previous stance.
The political commentators will be queuing up to label him a hypocrite before he gets his feet under his desk. I daresay there will be a fair few amongst the Labour ranks who will be 'fanning the flames'.
As has been said elsewhere this is reminiscent of the appointment of Michael Foot, who in many ways was a brilliant man and an eminent politician, but he was never a man to unify a party already at odds with itself and fractured in its' senior positions.
Michael Foot also had the same tailor and same hairdresser as Corbyn I think. Not exactly what you'd expect of a Party leader, however good or popular they may be. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:39 - Sep 12 with 2305 views | since58 |
private education lived in a seven bedroomed house wow that's real socialism | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:47 - Sep 12 with 2290 views | CamdenDale |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:12 - Sep 12 by SuddenLad |
No BDM - it was Corbyn who said he despised the idea of a Monarchy - I wasn't claiming that you did.
It just throws up an interesting scenario at the beginning of his term of office. Does a staunch Republican swear an oath of allegiance to The Queen, in order to carry out his duties as leader of H.M. Opposition, which he will be required to do (as all party leaders must do) in the House of Commons.
He then takes on the title The Right Honourable Jeremy Corbyn which will surely be at odds with his previous stance.
The political commentators will be queuing up to label him a hypocrite before he gets his feet under his desk. I daresay there will be a fair few amongst the Labour ranks who will be 'fanning the flames'.
As has been said elsewhere this is reminiscent of the appointment of Michael Foot, who in many ways was a brilliant man and an eminent politician, but he was never a man to unify a party already at odds with itself and fractured in its' senior positions.
Michael Foot also had the same tailor and same hairdresser as Corbyn I think. Not exactly what you'd expect of a Party leader, however good or popular they may be. |
Take your word on the parliamentary rules re the oath. Shouldn't think Corbyn would have any worries about jumping that procedural hurdle given what his hopes/objectives are for the medium/longer term (aside from abolishing the monarchy - would imagine that would be a sideline).
The press calling him a hypocrite will be similarly last on his worry list. The press will be full bore on what he believes in and sticks to, never mind what he's prepared to let slide. |  | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:48 - Sep 12 with 2242 views | 1mark1 |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:12 - Sep 12 by SuddenLad |
No BDM - it was Corbyn who said he despised the idea of a Monarchy - I wasn't claiming that you did.
It just throws up an interesting scenario at the beginning of his term of office. Does a staunch Republican swear an oath of allegiance to The Queen, in order to carry out his duties as leader of H.M. Opposition, which he will be required to do (as all party leaders must do) in the House of Commons.
He then takes on the title The Right Honourable Jeremy Corbyn which will surely be at odds with his previous stance.
The political commentators will be queuing up to label him a hypocrite before he gets his feet under his desk. I daresay there will be a fair few amongst the Labour ranks who will be 'fanning the flames'.
As has been said elsewhere this is reminiscent of the appointment of Michael Foot, who in many ways was a brilliant man and an eminent politician, but he was never a man to unify a party already at odds with itself and fractured in its' senior positions.
Michael Foot also had the same tailor and same hairdresser as Corbyn I think. Not exactly what you'd expect of a Party leader, however good or popular they may be. |
Many dislike the monarchy, but JC like the rest of us have to make the most of it, and sometimes, pledge allegiance to the monarchy. There are are serving police officers and armed forces personnel as well as MPs who have to serve allegiance to the monarch but don't actually believe there should be one. JC will rightly serve as a member of the PC as that's his duty to do so, as a leader of a major party, and also leader of the opposition.
There is no hypocrisy in him taking on the title of Rt Hon, or PC, because he has been elected in the biggest ever election to decide a party leader in this countries leader. The press/media can say what they want. The wider population will just want him to do his very important job, that of leader of the opposition, of holding to account the Prime-minister and his government. Labour members and supporters will want him to do all of that, and to lead their party better than has been done, and lead them to have a chance of winning elections, and becoming a party worth voting for.
As far as how he dresses or looks, well most people will hopefully judge him on what he says and does, and whether he does a good job as leader of the opposition. Then of course, if he becomes Prime-minister they will judge him and his government on how they perform. When Michael Foot lost, he lost because the Tories were very popular as well as Lab being very divided, but I honestly never knew anyone who voted for the Tories due to MF because of how he looked. There are many politicians who look very smart, but they are crap. A good performing politician is more important than a good looking one. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 19:06 - Sep 12 with 2218 views | 1mark1 |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:39 - Sep 12 by since58 |
private education lived in a seven bedroomed house wow that's real socialism |
If you are on about JC, if what you say is true, and I have no reason to believe you or not to believe you, what does it matter, and what if anything could he have done to have changed those things? When he was growing up, it would not have been him deciding his education and where he lived.
What matters is what he believes now and the policies and ideas he believes in. He supports a lot of socialist ideas, like a good minimum wage, good pension levels, high levels of social house building, railways in public hands etc,etc.
Let the Daily Mail types go on about his childhood upbringing, while the fair minded will judge him on what he says and does from now, and what he has done as an elected representative, like working for his constituents, when they have needed his help, and when he represented workers as a Union rep before he became a MP. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 19:12 - Sep 12 with 2214 views | D_Alien |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 18:48 - Sep 12 by 1mark1 |
Many dislike the monarchy, but JC like the rest of us have to make the most of it, and sometimes, pledge allegiance to the monarchy. There are are serving police officers and armed forces personnel as well as MPs who have to serve allegiance to the monarch but don't actually believe there should be one. JC will rightly serve as a member of the PC as that's his duty to do so, as a leader of a major party, and also leader of the opposition.
There is no hypocrisy in him taking on the title of Rt Hon, or PC, because he has been elected in the biggest ever election to decide a party leader in this countries leader. The press/media can say what they want. The wider population will just want him to do his very important job, that of leader of the opposition, of holding to account the Prime-minister and his government. Labour members and supporters will want him to do all of that, and to lead their party better than has been done, and lead them to have a chance of winning elections, and becoming a party worth voting for.
As far as how he dresses or looks, well most people will hopefully judge him on what he says and does, and whether he does a good job as leader of the opposition. Then of course, if he becomes Prime-minister they will judge him and his government on how they perform. When Michael Foot lost, he lost because the Tories were very popular as well as Lab being very divided, but I honestly never knew anyone who voted for the Tories due to MF because of how he looked. There are many politicians who look very smart, but they are crap. A good performing politician is more important than a good looking one. |
Completely agree with you about the image thing.
One of the most divisive aspects of society is the judgement of worth made by the clothes you wear, especially by those who can afford expensive tailoring. That might sound odd coming from someone who isn't a socialist, but the internet generation take their cues from leaders of software giants who developed their businesses dressed in casualwear.
To me, expensive suits mean one thing only - superficialty. The worst thing is when someone like a politician thinks "dressing down" means not wearing a tie. I hope JC sticks to his sartorial guns. if he starts wearing suits he's f*cked. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 19:22 - Sep 12 with 2199 views | 1mark1 |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 19:12 - Sep 12 by D_Alien |
Completely agree with you about the image thing.
One of the most divisive aspects of society is the judgement of worth made by the clothes you wear, especially by those who can afford expensive tailoring. That might sound odd coming from someone who isn't a socialist, but the internet generation take their cues from leaders of software giants who developed their businesses dressed in casualwear.
To me, expensive suits mean one thing only - superficialty. The worst thing is when someone like a politician thinks "dressing down" means not wearing a tie. I hope JC sticks to his sartorial guns. if he starts wearing suits he's f*cked. |
He wears a jacket and tie in the Commons, as that's regarded as being the right thing to do, but even then he isn't a "sharp dressed man".
Lets see, what he does, as far as his main job now, that is being the leader of the opposition and keeping check and at times improving the government's legislation. | |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 21:02 - Sep 12 with 2144 views | flyerdale |
As a Labour Party member and one who voted for the successful pairing of Corbyn and Watson I'm over the moon with the result. It will finally be time that Labour will go back to its roots of sticking up for the poor and the working class after being infiltrated by the political class. Politics will change from now on with a party those who find themselves at the brunt of austerity unfairly finally having representation. A wind of change is on its way and the likes of Murdoch will be bricking it as politicians in reasonable power won't conform to his ideology anymore.
This is were the revolution starts comrades.😉 |  | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 21:45 - Sep 12 with 2108 views | D_Alien |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 21:02 - Sep 12 by flyerdale |
As a Labour Party member and one who voted for the successful pairing of Corbyn and Watson I'm over the moon with the result. It will finally be time that Labour will go back to its roots of sticking up for the poor and the working class after being infiltrated by the political class. Politics will change from now on with a party those who find themselves at the brunt of austerity unfairly finally having representation. A wind of change is on its way and the likes of Murdoch will be bricking it as politicians in reasonable power won't conform to his ideology anymore.
This is were the revolution starts comrades.😉 |
Just the small matter of winning an election then.
Unfortunately for JC, the vast majority of people in this country are better off, and lead more productive, secure and prosperous lives than ever; generation on generation. That's 100% down to capitalism, which is the sole means of generating the wealth which enables prosperity. There is NO other way.
You're right though, that traditional grass roots Labour supporters now have a leader who will represent them as they deserve. It won't be remotely anywhere near enough to take seats in constituencies where the vast majority of people just want a government in power which will allow them to get on with their lives. That's what we have right now. The rest is hot air.
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 22:37 - Sep 12 with 2063 views | mingthemerciless |
Only somebody completely out of touch with the reality that is present day Rochdale could write that. | | | |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 23:10 - Sep 12 with 2041 views | mightydale |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 21:02 - Sep 12 by flyerdale |
As a Labour Party member and one who voted for the successful pairing of Corbyn and Watson I'm over the moon with the result. It will finally be time that Labour will go back to its roots of sticking up for the poor and the working class after being infiltrated by the political class. Politics will change from now on with a party those who find themselves at the brunt of austerity unfairly finally having representation. A wind of change is on its way and the likes of Murdoch will be bricking it as politicians in reasonable power won't conform to his ideology anymore.
This is were the revolution starts comrades.😉 |
ive read some shit on here but this beats it all . let me guess your one of the deluded fcukers who think we should take more refugees.
Whnat your opinion on bombing ISIL |  |
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| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 04:00 - Sep 13 with 1943 views | flyerdale |
| New Labour and Blairism consigned to the dust bin of history on 23:10 - Sep 12 by mightydale |
ive read some shit on here but this beats it all . let me guess your one of the deluded fcukers who think we should take more refugees.
Whnat your opinion on bombing ISIL |
No I don't and only bomb if its justified. I am more concerned about how citizens of this country are treated by governments who only look after the elite classes. That OK for you after your wrong judgement of me? | | | |
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