| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork 10:02 - Jul 22 with 11260 views | Borojack |
If Sigurdsson and Llorente get sold to Everton and Chelsea that could be about 75 million coming in including the Cork sale.
We would then need a striker an attacking midfielder / winger type.
Personally I think we need an upgrade on Naughton as well.
Just hope Sigurdsson and Llorente don't go late and we are left scampering around last minute. |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 12:51 - Jul 22 with 2251 views | STID2017 |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 12:48 - Jul 22 by TheResurrection |
The OP must have a Masters in stating the bloody obvious but still felt the need to bore the rest of us I guess.
However his maths are well out. We'll be more than lucky to get £45m for Siggy and Llorente combined. |
Says the king of the bores |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 13:04 - Jul 22 with 2222 views | Borojack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 12:48 - Jul 22 by TheResurrection |
The OP must have a Masters in stating the bloody obvious but still felt the need to bore the rest of us I guess.
However his maths are well out. We'll be more than lucky to get £45m for Siggy and Llorente combined. |
Ah tit for tat from the most boring poster on this forum by some distance.
Be nice if you could move onto another topic for next season had 7 months of Sigurddson and Llorente bashing now. | |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 15:47 - Jul 22 with 2088 views | STID2017 |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 13:04 - Jul 22 by Borojack |
Ah tit for tat from the most boring poster on this forum by some distance.
Be nice if you could move onto another topic for next season had 7 months of Sigurddson and Llorente bashing now. |
If (God forbid) he should have his wish and we sell both, he'll have nothing to post about (we live in hope) | |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 15:52 - Jul 22 with 2079 views | oldcob |
Looking at the Chelsea v Arsenal game on the box this afternoon, and taking into the consideration the striker the have just signed you have to ask yourself "Why does Chelsea want Llorente". There's four or five better than him there already. [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 15:54]
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 15:55 - Jul 22 with 2069 views | Whiterockin |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 15:52 - Jul 22 by oldcob |
Looking at the Chelsea v Arsenal game on the box this afternoon, and taking into the consideration the striker the have just signed you have to ask yourself "Why does Chelsea want Llorente". There's four or five better than him there already. [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 15:54]
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Who cares, they have asked and been told the price (apparently). If they want him pay up or we are happy as we are. |  | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 15:57 - Jul 22 with 2059 views | oldcob |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 15:55 - Jul 22 by Whiterockin |
Who cares, they have asked and been told the price (apparently). If they want him pay up or we are happy as we are. |
Exactly. I think its reporters putting two and two together and making thirty million. They are using the Llorente-Conte past history connection. | | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 17:10 - Jul 22 with 1994 views | builthjack |
If they go late , and it's too late to bring players in, then Clement could walk. |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 17:55 - Jul 22 with 1932 views | perplex |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 10:39 - Jul 22 by E20Jack |
I don't think so.
A 3 pronged attack of Ayew, Abraham and someone of Chadli's ilk will be a very good forward line. Especially if we add the likes of Wilshire to Mesa and Carroll. That could quite possibly be our best midfield and attack since we have been in the PL (Laudrup era aside maybe).
I have a feeling that Abraham will go on to huge things. Tall, strong, quick, great feet and composed with a natural eye for goal. He looks the business. |
Wiltshire will probably spend most of the season out injured Ayew is not a goal scorer Abraham is raw and unproven and Chadli can be very inconsistent just adding the potential negatives to your positives. | | | |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 17:58 - Jul 22 with 1911 views | E20Jack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 17:55 - Jul 22 by perplex |
Wiltshire will probably spend most of the season out injured Ayew is not a goal scorer Abraham is raw and unproven and Chadli can be very inconsistent just adding the potential negatives to your positives. |
Good point. Lets get rid and start again.
Doomed. |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:05 - Jul 22 with 1895 views | perplex |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 17:58 - Jul 22 by E20Jack |
Good point. Lets get rid and start again.
Doomed. |
Nope we just do not need to bring in players like Wiltshire, just players who will suit us and gel with who we already have. | | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:08 - Jul 22 with 1884 views | E20Jack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:05 - Jul 22 by perplex |
Nope we just do not need to bring in players like Wiltshire, just players who will suit us and gel with who we already have. |
Then we disagree, superbly gifted player. | |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:27 - Jul 22 with 1851 views | icecoldjack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:08 - Jul 22 by E20Jack |
Then we disagree, superbly gifted player. |
His stats for a far better passing team(Bournemouth) are quite frankly very poor, Leroy Fer was more productive in a relegation threatened Swans team .
I'm starting to think that it's Arsenal making Jack look good not the player himself, if he was all that why haven't Bournemouth tried to retain his services ??
Jack looks like a possible Newcastle signing to me, would be the name they crave with the money and wages but will do very little for it, i'd have him here for the right money but we could never build around him as he doesn't play enough games in a season, luxury player who is hyped beyond belief. |  | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:33 - Jul 22 with 1837 views | E20Jack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:27 - Jul 22 by icecoldjack |
His stats for a far better passing team(Bournemouth) are quite frankly very poor, Leroy Fer was more productive in a relegation threatened Swans team .
I'm starting to think that it's Arsenal making Jack look good not the player himself, if he was all that why haven't Bournemouth tried to retain his services ??
Jack looks like a possible Newcastle signing to me, would be the name they crave with the money and wages but will do very little for it, i'd have him here for the right money but we could never build around him as he doesn't play enough games in a season, luxury player who is hyped beyond belief. |
What stats are you looking at specifically? If like another poster you are looking at a goal tally only, then yes - Fer scores more goals. Wilshere is a playmaker not a goalscoring attacking midfielder. In terms of playmaking midfield stats, he is certainly more productive than Fer.
Minutes played:
Wilshere: 1916
Fer: 2405
Passes per game.
Wilshere: 38.7
Fer: 36.1
% of those passes successful.
Wilshere: 83.4%
Fer: 82.1%
Assists
Wilshere: 2
Fer: 2
Key passes per game:
Wilshere: 1.3
Fer: 0.5
Crosses per game:
Wilshere: 0.2
Fer: 0.1 [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 18:45]
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 19:23 - Jul 22 with 1774 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 12:48 - Jul 22 by TheResurrection |
The OP must have a Masters in stating the bloody obvious but still felt the need to bore the rest of us I guess.
However his maths are well out. We'll be more than lucky to get £45m for Siggy and Llorente combined. |
We already turned down £40m for Siggy, and Llorente isn't leaving for less than £15m.
Sorry, but the rest of planet Earth values those 2 guys a lot more than you do. This point has been belabored on here for almost a year now, speaking of boring us with the obvious. |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 19:47 - Jul 22 with 1727 views | TheResurrection |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 19:23 - Jul 22 by Tummer_from_Texas |
We already turned down £40m for Siggy, and Llorente isn't leaving for less than £15m.
Sorry, but the rest of planet Earth values those 2 guys a lot more than you do. This point has been belabored on here for almost a year now, speaking of boring us with the obvious. |
No we haven't so pop a cork in it JR. I admire your support from afar I genuinely do but you need to know when you chat shit you'll get banged. Now heisht dood. |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 21:01 - Jul 22 with 1657 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:05 - Jul 22 by perplex |
Nope we just do not need to bring in players like Wiltshire, just players who will suit us and gel with who we already have. |
imo Wiltshire would suit us down to the ground if he could stay fit...... big if
but i still don't think he'd be interested in coming here one little bit |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 21:23 - Jul 22 with 1633 views | LeonWasGod |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 10:39 - Jul 22 by E20Jack |
I don't think so.
A 3 pronged attack of Ayew, Abraham and someone of Chadli's ilk will be a very good forward line. Especially if we add the likes of Wilshire to Mesa and Carroll. That could quite possibly be our best midfield and attack since we have been in the PL (Laudrup era aside maybe).
I have a feeling that Abraham will go on to huge things. Tall, strong, quick, great feet and composed with a natural eye for goal. He looks the business. |
Don't agree with that myself. Rangel was as prolific as Ayew last season. A forward line of Ayew, Chadli and this Tammy fella could well send us down (all depending on how Tammy gets on, but he's got it all to prove at this level). It would be a huge risk to pin our hopes on a combination of mediocrity and inexperience. |  | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 21:55 - Jul 22 with 1586 views | E20Jack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 21:23 - Jul 22 by LeonWasGod |
Don't agree with that myself. Rangel was as prolific as Ayew last season. A forward line of Ayew, Chadli and this Tammy fella could well send us down (all depending on how Tammy gets on, but he's got it all to prove at this level). It would be a huge risk to pin our hopes on a combination of mediocrity and inexperience. |
You think Ayew is mediocre? Wow.
He was probably our best player in nearly every match he played after his arrival. People have to stop judging players on how many they score.
The goals went through Llorente and Gylfi last year simply because of the way we played and our tactics. We played for set pieces and wanted to give Llorente as much service as possible, forgoing good patient build up play for a bit of hootball at times.
Under a new system and a new front line with players of varied ability (not just height and strength or set pieces) then goals should be more spread out which will give the likes of Ayew more opportunities in front of goal.
Hernandez, michu, bony, de guzman et al could all be called inexperienced im terms of the premier league, or even medicore if just judging by single aspects from the season before. However their quality was obvious if you watched the, regardless of experience or former top league goal tallies. Tammy Abraham, Chadli and Ayew are sheer quality. | |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 22:11 - Jul 22 with 1554 views | dameedna |
Ayew Abraham and Chadli would be ideal.
Add Llorente or another striker we will be okay.
Abraham will be our starting striker and will score 20 goals.
Last time I did that it was for Jas Scotland and some idiot disagreed with me. |  | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 22:15 - Jul 22 with 1541 views | icecoldjack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 18:33 - Jul 22 by E20Jack |
What stats are you looking at specifically? If like another poster you are looking at a goal tally only, then yes - Fer scores more goals. Wilshere is a playmaker not a goalscoring attacking midfielder. In terms of playmaking midfield stats, he is certainly more productive than Fer.
Minutes played:
Wilshere: 1916
Fer: 2405
Passes per game.
Wilshere: 38.7
Fer: 36.1
% of those passes successful.
Wilshere: 83.4%
Fer: 82.1%
Assists
Wilshere: 2
Fer: 2
Key passes per game:
Wilshere: 1.3
Fer: 0.5
Crosses per game:
Wilshere: 0.2
Fer: 0.1 [Post edited 22 Jul 2017 18:45]
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Using Fer was a low ball example but it just goes to show that Jack ain't all that when looking at what you typed.
It's hardly a ringing endorsement when his stats are only a little better than Leroy, i think it should be noted that Bournemouth were a far more polished outfit and jack should have done far far better there than he did, i think most would regard his time there as a failiure all things considered.
The boy is vastly overrated, while i've seen him have some superb games in the past, one being against us in the cup when he ran the show, the previous game if memory serves, he didn't get close to Leon!
I'd rather somebody else myself, in this crazy market and the hype that comes with young English players why is he on the market for less than Jack Cork ??
Have to ask yourself that question don't you? Arsenal don't seem too keen to extend his contract either so that tells me the kid is a risk for a club like us. | | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 22:33 - Jul 22 with 1481 views | Mo_Wives |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 22:11 - Jul 22 by dameedna |
Ayew Abraham and Chadli would be ideal.
Add Llorente or another striker we will be okay.
Abraham will be our starting striker and will score 20 goals.
Last time I did that it was for Jas Scotland and some idiot disagreed with me. |
I disagree. |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 00:21 - Jul 23 with 1396 views | DJack |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 21:23 - Jul 22 by LeonWasGod |
Don't agree with that myself. Rangel was as prolific as Ayew last season. A forward line of Ayew, Chadli and this Tammy fella could well send us down (all depending on how Tammy gets on, but he's got it all to prove at this level). It would be a huge risk to pin our hopes on a combination of mediocrity and inexperience. |
Wow, just WOW. Until this post I thought you were a great poster...you're dead to me now. 
Being realistic I think you are talking out of your Arris but i'm always happy to hear your opinion, even when I think you are talking balls.  |  |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 00:29 - Jul 23 with 1384 views | veng9 |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 22:15 - Jul 22 by icecoldjack |
Using Fer was a low ball example but it just goes to show that Jack ain't all that when looking at what you typed.
It's hardly a ringing endorsement when his stats are only a little better than Leroy, i think it should be noted that Bournemouth were a far more polished outfit and jack should have done far far better there than he did, i think most would regard his time there as a failiure all things considered.
The boy is vastly overrated, while i've seen him have some superb games in the past, one being against us in the cup when he ran the show, the previous game if memory serves, he didn't get close to Leon!
I'd rather somebody else myself, in this crazy market and the hype that comes with young English players why is he on the market for less than Jack Cork ??
Have to ask yourself that question don't you? Arsenal don't seem too keen to extend his contract either so that tells me the kid is a risk for a club like us. |
We've needed more creativity from our deeper midfielders and Wilshere would bring that. 1.50 key passes per 90 minutes for Wilshere compared to 1.60 for Sigurdsson and 1.60 chances created per 90 minutes for Wilshere compared to 1.95 for Sigurdsson. Baring in my mind Wilshere played in a midfield 2 whilst Sigurdsson was an attacking midfielder or winger. Fer had 0.60 and 0.67 whilst Ki had 0.83 and 0.90. Going off those stats and watching him play Wilshere could potentially provide a lot more creativity and it might be easier for him as he'd be playing in a midfield 3. | | | |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 09:28 - Jul 23 with 1322 views | AussieSwan |
| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 11:32 - Jul 22 by magicdaps10 |
My worry is, that these players will go late in the window and that we have little to no time to source replacements. |
This. We let Williams go pretty late from memory, didn't we?
I'd say that we got pretty lucky in getting such a gem in Alfie Mawson on relatively short notice (but obviously I'm very glad we did) | |
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| Sigurdsson Llorente Cork on 09:32 - Jul 23 with 1311 views | hobo |
We should be using their interest in Llorente as a way of getting Michy in on loan and turning Abraham's loan into a permanent move. Everyone's a winner |  | | |
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