| Draws are next to useless 17:27 - Sep 30 with 40247 views | borntogo |
Just to point out, to anyone going hoopla about all these 'battling', 'well-earned' nil-nil draws - they're as good as useless. Basically, if a team draws every game through a season, they will be relegated.
Sure, they're better than losing but a couple of slutchy 1-0 wins equates to six battling, well-earned bore-outs.
It's a concern that Hill is currently packing his subs' bench with our most attacking players (and arguably our best in Done, Davies, Slew, Andrew etc), as if he's actively seeking draws.
Rochdale, since time began, has always been a side that plays better off the front foot, going for it rather than consolidating etc. We'll probably revert to type eventually but will lose a lot of points in the meantime. |  | | |  |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:40 - Oct 1 with 2782 views | judd |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:29 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
Now answer my genuine question |
I respect his right to express his opinion on his football club. Negativity happens and I'd prefer that it didn't but heh ho.
He does not deserve the insult you chose to post in my opinion . |  |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:40 - Oct 1 with 2779 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:36 - Oct 1 by kiwidale |
and there lies your problem D Alien your too busy holding a grudge over what someone has said in an historical post rather than taking a post on its merits btw how long do you hold posts in memory before they expire?.. Oh and your comment about dubious conspiracy theories hit its target you can't help yourself can you. [Post edited 1 Oct 2017 23:42]
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For a much shorter period of time since reading your wonderful exposition of David Icke's world view |  |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:42 - Oct 1 with 2773 views | judd |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:38 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
Neither can I be bothered, because I don't need to, i know how much positivity and originality i've contributed over the years
Balance? It's something happens naturally when you try standing on your own two feet |
Or trying to keep a chip on each shoulder? | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:45 - Oct 1 with 2759 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:40 - Oct 1 by judd |
I respect his right to express his opinion on his football club. Negativity happens and I'd prefer that it didn't but heh ho.
He does not deserve the insult you chose to post in my opinion . |
Fair enough, but whether he deserved it is integral to whether he was simply expressing an opinion as a fan or pursuing another agenda - not just negativity, but which manifests itself that way
If that's something that's not apparent to everyone, i can see how they might think i was simply being rude for the sake of it | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:46 - Oct 1 with 2753 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:42 - Oct 1 by judd |
Or trying to keep a chip on each shoulder? |
I leave my chips at the turnstiles, like everyone else | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:46 - Oct 1 with 2753 views | judd |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:45 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
Fair enough, but whether he deserved it is integral to whether he was simply expressing an opinion as a fan or pursuing another agenda - not just negativity, but which manifests itself that way
If that's something that's not apparent to everyone, i can see how they might think i was simply being rude for the sake of it |
I don't see you that way.
I see you as being wrong. Again. | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:50 - Oct 1 with 2736 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:46 - Oct 1 by judd |
I don't see you that way.
I see you as being wrong. Again. |
Then there's nothing more I can say, since if you think i'm wrong you also think the majority who disagree with the OP are wrong - which in itself doesn't make us right of course
But what I think you mean is that i'm wrong to be so disparaging. I disagree, in this instance
I'm sure there may be better examples where i've been wrong to be disparaging, but i can live with that | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:50 - Oct 1 with 2737 views | kiwidale |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:40 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
For a much shorter period of time since reading your wonderful exposition of David Icke's world view |
once again you cant help yourself can you... show me one instance were I agreed with David Icke's world view? go on one instance. Maybe your memory is not as good as you think it is, for what its worth I think David Icke is a plagiarist who often descends into bouts of lunacy I don't listen to him or read anything from him. | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 23:56 - Oct 1 with 2725 views | judd |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:50 - Oct 1 by D_Alien |
Then there's nothing more I can say, since if you think i'm wrong you also think the majority who disagree with the OP are wrong - which in itself doesn't make us right of course
But what I think you mean is that i'm wrong to be so disparaging. I disagree, in this instance
I'm sure there may be better examples where i've been wrong to be disparaging, but i can live with that |
I think you are wrong to state he knows fook all about football.
I don't care that you don't like his approach or what you consider to be the majority thoughts on perceived sentiment.
Your assertion is your choice. My opinion on here is that you are wrong with it. How others perceive the context of your insult is up to them. | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 00:01 - Oct 2 with 2712 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:50 - Oct 1 by kiwidale |
once again you cant help yourself can you... show me one instance were I agreed with David Icke's world view? go on one instance. Maybe your memory is not as good as you think it is, for what its worth I think David Icke is a plagiarist who often descends into bouts of lunacy I don't listen to him or read anything from him. |
Yes, it was 1949er whose post referred to David Icke, so I apologise on that score, but it was your very lengthy conspiracies post in the Twitter Wars thread that made my memory so much shorter
Do you really believe that stuff, btw? If your "once again you can't help yourself" proposition is to be believed, let's test your credibility too, whilst we're at it
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| Draws are next to useless on 00:05 - Oct 2 with 2700 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 23:56 - Oct 1 by judd |
I think you are wrong to state he knows fook all about football.
I don't care that you don't like his approach or what you consider to be the majority thoughts on perceived sentiment.
Your assertion is your choice. My opinion on here is that you are wrong with it. How others perceive the context of your insult is up to them. |
Well, we could debate the "he knows f*ck all about football" assertion as if it were intended as a statement of mundane fact which is easy to disprove, whereas you, I and the rest of the world know that such an assertion is meant to convey an impression of disparagement, which is what I intended, and which has had its intended effect
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| Draws are next to useless on 00:10 - Oct 2 with 2687 views | AtThePeake |
| Draws are next to useless on 16:54 - Oct 1 by borntogo |
To address a couple of points made about me personally: I'm very happy that Keith Hill is manager but that doesn't mean I agree with everything he does. I've always criticised and questioned Dale managers. I've sometimes been known to praise them! It's all part of the fun - we each have an opinion, think we know best.
This doesn't make me 'negative' - these forums are supposed to be a place where we sound off and have a moan about issues as they come up.
If this means my views are discredited by some, fair enough but, if it helps, assume if I'm not posting I'm generally happy, which stands for most people and their relationship with this forum.
I'm afraid, like it or not, the forum IS viewed as having a nasty, pedantic and patronising element that puts people off posting. My own daughter, a regular attender at Dale matches home and away, has some fascinating views, often contrary to my own, and when I suggest she puts something on here she says 'No way, they'll tear me apart!'. I've heard similar said by other fans, too.
I think this is especially sad when we're supposed to form a community of decent, respectful people with a shared passion. |
" if I'm not posting I'm generally happy, which stands for most people and their relationship with this for"
Why is that BTG? If you can post about negative aspects, why not post about positive aspects also sometimes? It might make you look less negative overall if we see that you do have positive things to say from time to time! |  |
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| Draws are next to useless (n/t) on 05:09 - Oct 2 with 2613 views | kiwidale |
| Draws are next to useless on 00:01 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
Yes, it was 1949er whose post referred to David Icke, so I apologise on that score, but it was your very lengthy conspiracies post in the Twitter Wars thread that made my memory so much shorter
Do you really believe that stuff, btw? If your "once again you can't help yourself" proposition is to be believed, let's test your credibility too, whilst we're at it
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you apologise in one sentence and give me another serve in the next if nothing else you are consistent.
Can I ask who will be the judge of my credibility or lack of it? I'm assuming it will be you? Do you really think I'm foolish enough to answer your question on here a football forum? a bastion of reasoned debate where all opinions are equally valid? If your response to borntogo that "you know nothing about football" is an example of your balanced and measured response then i think I will pass thanks. anyway I have no gripe with you personally just don't agree with your comments on this thread and wont to make that clear. [Post edited 2 Oct 2017 7:29]
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| Draws are next to useless on 07:48 - Oct 2 with 2522 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Draws are next to useless on 00:05 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
Well, we could debate the "he knows f*ck all about football" assertion as if it were intended as a statement of mundane fact which is easy to disprove, whereas you, I and the rest of the world know that such an assertion is meant to convey an impression of disparagement, which is what I intended, and which has had its intended effect
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If you have difficulty answering a question you merely answer a different question, asked by yourself, that you would prefer to answer. No, I don't think you intended to be disparaging, you intended to be rude.
All this is actually just an exercise in convincing yourself isn't it? We are just mere observers of your superiority complex being played out, an annoying necessity who occasionally pipe up and disrupt your flow. That's when the rudeness kicks in. Being challenged by an inferior, how dare they.
Anyway, you're right again, you've just convinced yourself of it. Meanwhile, the rest of us are left in astonishment at the logical gymnastics you perform and the pseudo intellectualising undertaken in convincing yourself, and wondering why the fook you do it? [Post edited 2 Oct 2017 9:26]
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| Draws are next to useless on 08:27 - Oct 2 with 2467 views | judd |
| Draws are next to useless on 00:05 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
Well, we could debate the "he knows f*ck all about football" assertion as if it were intended as a statement of mundane fact which is easy to disprove, whereas you, I and the rest of the world know that such an assertion is meant to convey an impression of disparagement, which is what I intended, and which has had its intended effect
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No I did not know your intention was to be disparaging rather than just rude, insulting and wrong.
In fact your whole stance is so sophomoric that it is hardly worth wasting any more time on. | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 09:13 - Oct 2 with 2418 views | Bobbyjoe |
A word to the wise, D'Alien, you do come across on here as a really obnoxious person, which I'm sure you're not in real life; you might want to bear that in mind. Of course, you'll maintain that it's a deliberate persona you adopt, but, honestly, it's really tiresome. | | | |
| Draws are next to useless on 10:18 - Oct 2 with 2343 views | dawlishdale |
| Draws are next to useless on 09:13 - Oct 2 by Bobbyjoe |
A word to the wise, D'Alien, you do come across on here as a really obnoxious person, which I'm sure you're not in real life; you might want to bear that in mind. Of course, you'll maintain that it's a deliberate persona you adopt, but, honestly, it's really tiresome. |
Well said Bobbyjoe.
He is one of the main reasons I seldom post on here.
Along with a few others, he spoils the messageboard. | | | |
| Draws are next to useless on 10:43 - Oct 2 with 2310 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 07:48 - Oct 2 by BigDaveMyCock |
If you have difficulty answering a question you merely answer a different question, asked by yourself, that you would prefer to answer. No, I don't think you intended to be disparaging, you intended to be rude.
All this is actually just an exercise in convincing yourself isn't it? We are just mere observers of your superiority complex being played out, an annoying necessity who occasionally pipe up and disrupt your flow. That's when the rudeness kicks in. Being challenged by an inferior, how dare they.
Anyway, you're right again, you've just convinced yourself of it. Meanwhile, the rest of us are left in astonishment at the logical gymnastics you perform and the pseudo intellectualising undertaken in convincing yourself, and wondering why the fook you do it? [Post edited 2 Oct 2017 9:26]
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No, I was intending to be disparaging. I have my reasons, which I've already set out, and I'll stand by my assertion that borntogo isn't just a fan with an opinion but someone with ulterior motivation. And that's not just paranoia, there are others who have similar suspicions
You can disparage me as much as you like BDMC - and you do like - but my posts are not just random rudeness | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 11:00 - Oct 2 with 2288 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 09:13 - Oct 2 by Bobbyjoe |
A word to the wise, D'Alien, you do come across on here as a really obnoxious person, which I'm sure you're not in real life; you might want to bear that in mind. Of course, you'll maintain that it's a deliberate persona you adopt, but, honestly, it's really tiresome. |
I hear what you're saying BJ, but a word to the wise is wasted on me. Wisdom is over-rated, and is often used to justify the status quo. I'll back my own judgement. Are you wise?
There are, for instance, at least two examples of recent newcomers to this forum who i've defended where others have gone immediately onto the attack. I'm not making any big deal out of that, simply applying balance to the opportunism apparent in some posters eagerness to settle scores | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 12:22 - Oct 2 with 2211 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Draws are next to useless on 10:43 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
No, I was intending to be disparaging. I have my reasons, which I've already set out, and I'll stand by my assertion that borntogo isn't just a fan with an opinion but someone with ulterior motivation. And that's not just paranoia, there are others who have similar suspicions
You can disparage me as much as you like BDMC - and you do like - but my posts are not just random rudeness |
I never said your posts were random rudeness. You can be very insightful and witty. The rudeness and arrogance kicks in when someone has opposing views to you. | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 13:15 - Oct 2 with 2136 views | borntogo |
| Draws are next to useless on 10:43 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
No, I was intending to be disparaging. I have my reasons, which I've already set out, and I'll stand by my assertion that borntogo isn't just a fan with an opinion but someone with ulterior motivation. And that's not just paranoia, there are others who have similar suspicions
You can disparage me as much as you like BDMC - and you do like - but my posts are not just random rudeness |
It IS paranoia, absolutely. I am 'just a a fan with an opinion', no matter what your little lynch mob of acolytes are whispering to each other.
To suggest I have an ulterior motive and malicious intent is a crude attempt to discredit me and any argument I put forward.
Much like others have said on this thread, some Daleys are extremely unpleasant and disrespectful. And instead of this forum being interesting, challenging, fun and a valuable source of empathy, it has become a rather dark and grubby village.
I wish many more of those that read it but don't post for fear of attack and ridicule would wade in because some fresh blood is badly needed. | | | |
| Draws are next to useless on 13:34 - Oct 2 with 2106 views | AtThePeake |
| Draws are next to useless on 13:15 - Oct 2 by borntogo |
It IS paranoia, absolutely. I am 'just a a fan with an opinion', no matter what your little lynch mob of acolytes are whispering to each other.
To suggest I have an ulterior motive and malicious intent is a crude attempt to discredit me and any argument I put forward.
Much like others have said on this thread, some Daleys are extremely unpleasant and disrespectful. And instead of this forum being interesting, challenging, fun and a valuable source of empathy, it has become a rather dark and grubby village.
I wish many more of those that read it but don't post for fear of attack and ridicule would wade in because some fresh blood is badly needed. |
Perhaps some newcomers or those that read and don't post are put off by certain posters only choosing to post negatively? It makes for a rather depressing experience if people only post when they have negative things to say. | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 13:42 - Oct 2 with 2090 views | D_Alien |
| Draws are next to useless on 13:15 - Oct 2 by borntogo |
It IS paranoia, absolutely. I am 'just a a fan with an opinion', no matter what your little lynch mob of acolytes are whispering to each other.
To suggest I have an ulterior motive and malicious intent is a crude attempt to discredit me and any argument I put forward.
Much like others have said on this thread, some Daleys are extremely unpleasant and disrespectful. And instead of this forum being interesting, challenging, fun and a valuable source of empathy, it has become a rather dark and grubby village.
I wish many more of those that read it but don't post for fear of attack and ridicule would wade in because some fresh blood is badly needed. |
I'll accept you're a 'fan with an opinion' at face value then, and hopefully that can lead, as ATP says, to more fruitful exchanges of opinions of both the good and not so good that comes from following Dale, and on that basis i apologise if my response to your OP was unwarranted | |
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| Draws are next to useless on 14:04 - Oct 2 with 2051 views | Bobbyjoe |
| Draws are next to useless on 13:42 - Oct 2 by D_Alien |
I'll accept you're a 'fan with an opinion' at face value then, and hopefully that can lead, as ATP says, to more fruitful exchanges of opinions of both the good and not so good that comes from following Dale, and on that basis i apologise if my response to your OP was unwarranted |
Nah, forget it, just go back to how you were! | | | |
| Draws are next to useless on 14:09 - Oct 2 with 2039 views | judd |
| Draws are next to useless on 14:04 - Oct 2 by Bobbyjoe |
Nah, forget it, just go back to how you were! |
Nasty man. | |
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