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VAR at Women’s World Cup 17:51 - Jun 23 with 2872 views

Total, complete and utter farce.

The fact that new laws are effectively being trialled at the premier competition in the Women’s game is a disgrace.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 17:54 - Jun 23 with 2864 views

swancity

Ruining football no doubt

And since when has miscontrol of a ball been a deliberate back pass to a keeper? Cameroon have every right to be annoyed. Disgraceful.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 17:59 - Jun 23 with 2835 views

sherpajacob

For me on tight offsides, VAR is inconclusive because of the issue of when the ball is played.

When it's that close it should revert to the onfield decision.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:03 - Jun 23 with 2822 views

lifelong

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 17:59 - Jun 23 by sherpajacob
For me on tight offsides, VAR is inconclusive because of the issue of when the ball is played. When it's that close it should revert to the onfield decision.

But you’re either offside or you’re not, Cameroon players were offside for both of their goals, isn’t that what VAR is supposed to determine?

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:13 - Jun 23 with 2799 views

ladyjack

Not watching the game in question but I thought VAR was for clear and obvious mistakes, things are compounded that current football laws are bad, offside should be offside otherwise its open to cheating, handball should be handball otherwise its open to cheating, rules need to be black and white otherwise the Englands, Germanys, Man U's and Liverpools of this world will always get the lions share of iffy calls as opposed to the likes of little old Wales and little old Swansea.

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:16 - Jun 23 with 2789 views

Jango

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:03 - Jun 23 by lifelong
But you’re either offside or you’re not, Cameroon players were offside for both of their goals, isn’t that what VAR is supposed to determine?

Yes. To suggest leaving the tight decisions to the ref completely defeats the point of it.

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:16 - Jun 23 with 2787 views

sherpajacob

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:03 - Jun 23 by lifelong
But you’re either offside or you’re not, Cameroon players were offside for both of their goals, isn’t that what VAR is supposed to determine?

Where it's clear and obvious i've no problem.

But it depends on when the ball is played, a blue and red line on a screen showing a player in an offside position is not proof the player is offside, unless it's 100% certain the ball was played at that precise split second.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:19 - Jun 23 with 2777 views

raynor94

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:03 - Jun 23 by lifelong
But you’re either offside or you’re not, Cameroon players were offside for both of their goals, isn’t that what VAR is supposed to determine?

100% correct, Cameroon were off, and England on,no confusion at all

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:21 - Jun 23 with 2754 views

Pegojack

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:19 - Jun 23 by raynor94
100% correct, Cameroon were off, and England on,no confusion at all [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 18:20]

Cameron looked in line for the 2-1 and therefore onside Shirley?

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:25 - Jun 23 with 2737 views

swancity

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:19 - Jun 23 by raynor94
100% correct, Cameroon were off, and England on,no confusion at all [Post edited 23 Jun 2019 18:20]

But there is confusion and uncertainty with these very tight decisions especially as they cannot guarantee accuracy in terms of when ( the precise nano second ) the ball was played by trying to replay it.
No need for it. Certain sports eg cricket lend themselves to it. Football isn’t one of them.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:30 - Jun 23 with 2716 views

Jango

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:25 - Jun 23 by swancity
But there is confusion and uncertainty with these very tight decisions especially as they cannot guarantee accuracy in terms of when ( the precise nano second ) the ball was played by trying to replay it. No need for it. Certain sports eg cricket lend themselves to it. Football isn’t one of them.

Without VAR Man City would have got to the final of champions league and probably won it. Suggesting it’s bad for the game is idiotic. They just need to get the decisions right.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:59 - Jun 23 with 2648 views

sherpajacob

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:30 - Jun 23 by Jango
Without VAR Man City would have got to the final of champions league and probably won it. Suggesting it’s bad for the game is idiotic. They just need to get the decisions right.

In that instance Aguero was clearly yards offside when the ball came off another city player. VAR worked.

The issue for tight decisions is that its not always absolutely clear when the ball is played.

Frame by frame a,player is onside one frame and offside the next, The freeze frame for England s 2nd goal the player passing the ball was masked by a, Cameron player. So not enough evidence to overturn the onfield decision.

Others have already said the Cameroon player looked level for their goal.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 19:12 - Jun 23 with 2618 views

monmouth

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:59 - Jun 23 by sherpajacob

Yeah, but footballs coming home. 53 years of hurt, never stopped believing.

Oh no, sorry, football's going to the USA. My mistake.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 19:51 - Jun 23 with 2552 views

JackSomething

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:16 - Jun 23 by Jango
Yes. To suggest leaving the tight decisions to the ref completely defeats the point of it.

Look at that, we agree on something.

VAR is not the problem, it's the slapdash way that FIFA and the rest have introduced it. With the amount of money they have and time they've taken working on it, it's shocking that they haven't done a better job of it.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 20:00 - Jun 23 with 2532 views

Badlands

Announcements on the big screens to give a reason for VAR intervention would inform the crowd.
Image or short clip identifying the reason for the result would also be helpful for the stadium attendees.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 20:48 - Jun 23 with 2479 views

exiledclaseboy

VAR will ruin the game as we all know it. Line decisions only if they have to use it. Everything else is subjective and is subjective whether the referee sees it once in real time or wastes five minutes watching multiple replays on the touch line. Get rid of it.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 20:52 - Jun 23 with 2473 views

bluey_the_blue

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 20:48 - Jun 23 by exiledclaseboy
VAR will ruin the game as we all know it. Line decisions only if they have to use it. Everything else is subjective and is subjective whether the referee sees it once in real time or wastes five minutes watching multiple replays on the touch line. Get rid of it.

As I said a year or so ago, I can work and work well.

Example was in a MLS game. Striker who'd not scored in a year headed in.

Players lining up to kickoff, VAR crew signalled to ref asking him to look at camera. Several angles, closeup revealed he'd deliberately raised arm and handled into the net.

Yellow card issued, free kick given.

It took less than two minutes to resolve.

I don't get why it takes so long elsewhere.

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 06:39 - Jun 24 with 2306 views

Brynmill_Jack

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:30 - Jun 23 by Jango
Without VAR Man City would have got to the final of champions league and probably won it. Suggesting it’s bad for the game is idiotic. They just need to get the decisions right.

With VAR Man City wouldn’t have won the FA cup.........

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 09:21 - Jun 24 with 2171 views

hobo

I'm glad people are coming round to my way of thinking. It really does make a mockery of the sport. Too late now though as it's been pushed into the Premier League

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 09:48 - Jun 24 with 2143 views

Humpty

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:21 - Jun 23 by Pegojack
Cameron looked in line for the 2-1 and therefore onside Shirley?

Looked like it to me too.

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 11:31 - Jun 24 with 2082 views

westwalesed

It's not so much as to whether the decisions themselves are correct or not, clearly VAR "should" always get it right. It's the fact that mission creep is setting in and VAR is being used in all sorts of situations it was never intended it to be used in. It's ruining the game as a spectacle.

I also think in this case, that the womens game is being disrespected by trialling these new laws, for example keepers staying on their lines and penalty kicks. There is no way that would happen in the mens game. It would be trialled and trialled at minor tournaments first.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 11:37 - Jun 24 with 2076 views

Badlands

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 11:31 - Jun 24 by westwalesed

VAR is used in 27 Leagues across the globe.
It wasted in
AFC Asian Cup *
CAF Champions League *
CONMEBOL Copa América
CONMEBOL Copa Libertadores *
CONMEBOL Copa Sudamericana *
FIFA Club World Cup
FIFA Confederations Cup
FIFA U-20 World Cup
FIFA World Cup
FIFA Women's World Cup
UEFA Champions League *
UEFA Europa League * (final match only)
So to claim , 'that the women's game is being disrespected by trialling these new laws,' is plain wrong.
AND, there are no new laws. The laws being applied have been the laws for years / decades.
Just because English League refs don't apply them and we've gt used to teams getting away with cheating doesn't mean a rule is new or should be ignored.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 11:44 - Jun 24 with 2068 views

westwalesed

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 11:37 - Jun 24 by Badlands

I take your point completely.

But VAR has never been used in the past in relation to keepers staying on their lines - so where I say trialed, and I should have been more specific - it's in relation to new uses of VAR.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 15:12 - Jun 24 with 2000 views

swanforthemoney

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 18:21 - Jun 23 by Pegojack
Cameron looked in line for the 2-1 and therefore onside Shirley?

It was offside. The picture showed it was close, but offside. The ref. took a close look at the VAR and gave offside.

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VAR at Women’s World Cup on 15:16 - Jun 24 with 1997 views

swancity

VAR at Women’s World Cup on 15:12 - Jun 24 by swanforthemoney
It was offside. The picture showed it was close, but offside. The ref. took a close look at the VAR and gave offside.

Cameroon player was in line with the defender therefore onside. Terrible decision but too close to call offside. Shocking.

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