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Great..
Its gets worse.........
Boris as scrapped the 5 day christmas bubble.
It is now christmas day only.....

My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 10:51 - Dec 23 with 1586 viewsisitme



A number of linked tweets but maybe the council could post this as some form of balance to their scaremongering.
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5 days of christmas scrapped on 11:10 - Dec 23 with 1541 views442Dale

5 days of christmas scrapped on 10:51 - Dec 23 by isitme



A number of linked tweets but maybe the council could post this as some form of balance to their scaremongering.


Whilst appreciating that the wording was perhaps a bit much, aren’t the Council responding in a way they see fit for local residents on the back of the health secretary saying the virus in the wake of the new strain was “out of control”?

The main thing is that people make responsible decisions - something that is focused on in the guidance as well. There are so many factors that come into that based on individual circumstances of course, but the underlying message is really just because we could, doesn’t mean we should. Any choices made now will impact the future, that we know as fact.

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 12:46 - Dec 23 with 1439 viewsD_Alien

5 days of christmas scrapped on 11:10 - Dec 23 by 442Dale

Whilst appreciating that the wording was perhaps a bit much, aren’t the Council responding in a way they see fit for local residents on the back of the health secretary saying the virus in the wake of the new strain was “out of control”?

The main thing is that people make responsible decisions - something that is focused on in the guidance as well. There are so many factors that come into that based on individual circumstances of course, but the underlying message is really just because we could, doesn’t mean we should. Any choices made now will impact the future, that we know as fact.


"Any choices made now will impact the future, that we know as fact."

Not quite. A very high likelihood certainly, but i'd also refer you to your own theory of chaos

An example: when the transmission rates started to rise in London under Tier 2, there were accusations by critics that "Tier 2 wasn't working". It transpired that the mutation was the most probable factor in the rise. In support of that, when Liverpool was moved down to Tier 2 after the mass testing programme, there was no subsequent rise in the transmission rates, thus demonstrating that Tier 2 could work

That's not to say that rates won't start to rise in Liverpool now, given all the circumstances. My point is there are no 'facts' that aren't hostages to (bad) fortune, when subsequent information becomes available

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 12:55 - Dec 23 with 1414 views442Dale

Yep, any choices impact the future in some way. Won’t claim ownership to it.


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5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:35 - Dec 23 with 1363 viewsD_Alien

5 days of christmas scrapped on 12:55 - Dec 23 by 442Dale

Yep, any choices impact the future in some way. Won’t claim ownership to it.



In terms of the impact on transmission of people's choices, there's also the possibility at the level of each individual of "no impact"

A person living in isolation, for instance, could choose on Christmas Day to stay indoors, or go out for a walk somewhere and at a time where there's no other people within say, half a mile

That might disturb some leaves on the pavement which has unforeseen consequences, but the impact on transmission rates will be zero in either case


Edit: yes, it could be argued that someone else comes along and slips on the disturbed leaves when they mightn't have done before - ending up in hospital and then catching Covid, but...


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5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:38 - Dec 23 with 1356 viewsjudd

5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:35 - Dec 23 by D_Alien

In terms of the impact on transmission of people's choices, there's also the possibility at the level of each individual of "no impact"

A person living in isolation, for instance, could choose on Christmas Day to stay indoors, or go out for a walk somewhere and at a time where there's no other people within say, half a mile

That might disturb some leaves on the pavement which has unforeseen consequences, but the impact on transmission rates will be zero in either case


Edit: yes, it could be argued that someone else comes along and slips on the disturbed leaves when they mightn't have done before - ending up in hospital and then catching Covid, but...


[Post edited 23 Dec 2020 13:38]


What type of leaves?

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:40 - Dec 23 with 1353 viewsD_Alien

5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:38 - Dec 23 by judd

What type of leaves?


Compassionate

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:44 - Dec 23 with 1333 viewsjudd

5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:40 - Dec 23 by D_Alien

Compassionate


Not if they're injuring people and sending them to their deaths.

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:52 - Dec 23 with 1313 viewsD_Alien

5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:44 - Dec 23 by judd

Not if they're injuring people and sending them to their deaths.


But it's not the leaves that are doing that, it's the choice people make to tread on them without due care

And death isn't an inevitable outcome of infection - that's SCAREMONGERING

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:56 - Dec 23 with 1298 viewsjudd

5 days of christmas scrapped on 13:52 - Dec 23 by D_Alien

But it's not the leaves that are doing that, it's the choice people make to tread on them without due care

And death isn't an inevitable outcome of infection - that's SCAREMONGERING


Leaves.

Remainers.

They can all fook off.

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 16:43 - Dec 23 with 1200 viewsDaleiLama

5 days of christmas scrapped on 10:51 - Dec 23 by isitme



A number of linked tweets but maybe the council could post this as some form of balance to their scaremongering.


I'm not replying to your post in order to promote a particular position, more to pass on my experiences.

My girlfriend's daughter is a front-line worker and had to work during the second wave. She lives with her mum. Her daughter got the Rona and we both caught it from her. I obviously didn't get closer to her daughter than 1m/personal space - her mum may have got closer? I was there for a weekend, so longer than a normal Xmas dinner/Xmas visit obviously, but the virus even at that time was highly contagious.

The new variant is even more contagious. Then a new S. African variant (2 cases identified here so far) has been reported and this is believed to be even more contagious than Rona II.

I've been out of self-isolation for 70 days now, but I am still concerned about catching either one of these new variants since no one can predict whether or not I can be re-infected let alone how easy it would be for someone else to be infected the first time. There are many cases in Italy of double infections (I work with one guy who's daughter is one of these statistics). I cleanse religiously and wear a mask when indoors whenever I leave home.

Then there's "the science". That started off with "masks made no difference". Now masks are mandatory. Then came "this is a very stable virus which is unlikely to mutate". Now we have 2 even more concerning mutations, at least one proven to be more easily spread, the other suspected to be.

The path that this pandemic has torn through society is not unlike a hurricane and I am not suggesting blame be apportioned at this stage. Equally, anyone with half a brain knows that everyone is learning on the fly and responding accordingly, with nothing fixed and maximum flexibility required in terms of a response. In the S.E. Rona II is now >60% of cases (~20% in the NW currently estimated) and the experts are saying the vaccine will probably still work. But they don't know. Biontech can re-engineer the vaccine but will it have to go through re-approval? The government, by their own admission, are behind the virus.

With respect, I think anyone who talks absolutes in terms of this virus is talking out of their @rse. I appreciate your tweet was a counterpoint to the RMBC tweet and of course the truth is somewhere in the middle. I would caution all not to take any aspect of the virus lightly though. I was lucky only losing 5 days of taste/smell and a dose of the flu, but 80k excess dead haven't been and I wouldn't be massively shocked if the daily death rate goes back to 4 figures in the not too distant future either (>700 currently) and excess deaths climbs over 100k. Not to even mention long-Covid and all conditions related to it.

Decisions on risk and risk/reward are down to the individual when all said and done, since they are unpoliceable. I hope whatever decisions everyone makes work out for them and all stay safe. One day, we'll all need to get back to the COA. Our club needs us.
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5 days of christmas scrapped on 20:31 - Dec 23 with 1106 viewsonedalefan

5 days of christmas scrapped on 16:43 - Dec 23 by DaleiLama

I'm not replying to your post in order to promote a particular position, more to pass on my experiences.

My girlfriend's daughter is a front-line worker and had to work during the second wave. She lives with her mum. Her daughter got the Rona and we both caught it from her. I obviously didn't get closer to her daughter than 1m/personal space - her mum may have got closer? I was there for a weekend, so longer than a normal Xmas dinner/Xmas visit obviously, but the virus even at that time was highly contagious.

The new variant is even more contagious. Then a new S. African variant (2 cases identified here so far) has been reported and this is believed to be even more contagious than Rona II.

I've been out of self-isolation for 70 days now, but I am still concerned about catching either one of these new variants since no one can predict whether or not I can be re-infected let alone how easy it would be for someone else to be infected the first time. There are many cases in Italy of double infections (I work with one guy who's daughter is one of these statistics). I cleanse religiously and wear a mask when indoors whenever I leave home.

Then there's "the science". That started off with "masks made no difference". Now masks are mandatory. Then came "this is a very stable virus which is unlikely to mutate". Now we have 2 even more concerning mutations, at least one proven to be more easily spread, the other suspected to be.

The path that this pandemic has torn through society is not unlike a hurricane and I am not suggesting blame be apportioned at this stage. Equally, anyone with half a brain knows that everyone is learning on the fly and responding accordingly, with nothing fixed and maximum flexibility required in terms of a response. In the S.E. Rona II is now >60% of cases (~20% in the NW currently estimated) and the experts are saying the vaccine will probably still work. But they don't know. Biontech can re-engineer the vaccine but will it have to go through re-approval? The government, by their own admission, are behind the virus.

With respect, I think anyone who talks absolutes in terms of this virus is talking out of their @rse. I appreciate your tweet was a counterpoint to the RMBC tweet and of course the truth is somewhere in the middle. I would caution all not to take any aspect of the virus lightly though. I was lucky only losing 5 days of taste/smell and a dose of the flu, but 80k excess dead haven't been and I wouldn't be massively shocked if the daily death rate goes back to 4 figures in the not too distant future either (>700 currently) and excess deaths climbs over 100k. Not to even mention long-Covid and all conditions related to it.

Decisions on risk and risk/reward are down to the individual when all said and done, since they are unpoliceable. I hope whatever decisions everyone makes work out for them and all stay safe. One day, we'll all need to get back to the COA. Our club needs us.
[Post edited 23 Dec 2020 16:45]


Do you not mean you wear a mask outdoors whenever you leave home?
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5 days of christmas scrapped on 20:44 - Dec 23 with 1091 viewsDaleiLama

5 days of christmas scrapped on 20:31 - Dec 23 by onedalefan

Do you not mean you wear a mask outdoors whenever you leave home?


Never wear one outdoors as I can keep away from people and the risk is much lower - I meant if leave home and go in a shop, restaurant or pub ....... the last two settings slowly becoming a memory and looking more and more distant in 2021. In theory, I can't spread anything if I have antibodies, but it's no big deal and it also may protect me to some extent too (just in case).

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5 days of christmas scrapped on 16:09 - Dec 24 with 935 viewsD_Alien

5 days of christmas scrapped on 14:06 - Dec 22 by James1980

https://reaction.life/jeremy-vine-my-boris-story/

You have probably read this story before.


I'm really disappointed

I tuned into the PM's press conference after he's secured a deal which fulfils the requirements of the 2016 Referendum, and yet there was no mention of sheep, Jaws or George Brown

He's obviously lost the plot, and there was no uproarious laughter either, only answers to questions that showed he's absolutely in control of the agenda he's led since 2016 and delivered on it

Have a very Merry Christmas, one and all!

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