| Covid Postponements 12:53 - Dec 23 with 22890 views | boromat |
4 games off this weekend in League One due to Covid-19 infiltrating football club 'bubbles'.
This doesn't bode well for the season I think we're lucky there's not been too many called off due to weather so far but there could be some pile up of fixtures if this is what we are to expect every week. I know there's been talking of a football circuit breaker. I'm not sure how that would work. |  |
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| Covid Postponements on 11:27 - Jan 9 with 2179 views | D_Alien |
| Covid Postponements on 06:33 - Jan 9 by DaleiLama |
I remember at the start of this pandemic being heartened by the scientific advisors stating that this seemed to be a stable virus and quite unlikely to mutate. Surprised the vultures in the wings haven't brought that up yet tbh. |
Perhaps the scientific advisers have mutated! |  |
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| Covid Postponements on 12:47 - Jan 9 with 2102 views | 49thseason |
The government had several opportunities to ameliorate the effects of this disease , them first was simple, to distribute vitamin D to every care home and vulnerable person, Bame and obese person and to encourage everyone else to take it. Studies now show Vit D reduces infection by over 50%.
Vit D could have been distributed during the last summer ready for the anticipated winter "2nd wave" and lives would have been saved, businesses and schools would be open and the economy would be billions to the good. That they didnt take the vit D evidence seriously was either crass stupidity or criminally deliberate. Maybe it was too obvious and simple for those sophisticates in the higher reaches of government and medicine, after all there is no profit in vitamins.
"Pragmatic recognition of the need to: supplement ‘D’ in; high risk groups, COVID-19 hospital patients, and more widely; eliminate the ‘social-injustice’[6, 7] of vitamin ‘D’ discrimination against; BAME, the Elderly, Carehomers and Obese; reduce infection, ICU pressures and mortality, so public fear: could provide a cheap resource-and-cost-saving basal treatment protocol, added to by vaccines, a ‘paradigm-shift’ enlightening bleak COVID-19 outlooks, empowering people, thus possible exit from D-deficient COVID-19 pandemic shadow-lands, steering a ‘D’ course to a brighter pastures."
Full text here, British Medical Journal:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3872/rr-5 |  | | |
| Covid Postponements on 12:59 - Jan 9 with 2078 views | 442Dale |
| Covid Postponements on 12:47 - Jan 9 by 49thseason |
The government had several opportunities to ameliorate the effects of this disease , them first was simple, to distribute vitamin D to every care home and vulnerable person, Bame and obese person and to encourage everyone else to take it. Studies now show Vit D reduces infection by over 50%.
Vit D could have been distributed during the last summer ready for the anticipated winter "2nd wave" and lives would have been saved, businesses and schools would be open and the economy would be billions to the good. That they didnt take the vit D evidence seriously was either crass stupidity or criminally deliberate. Maybe it was too obvious and simple for those sophisticates in the higher reaches of government and medicine, after all there is no profit in vitamins.
"Pragmatic recognition of the need to: supplement ‘D’ in; high risk groups, COVID-19 hospital patients, and more widely; eliminate the ‘social-injustice’[6, 7] of vitamin ‘D’ discrimination against; BAME, the Elderly, Carehomers and Obese; reduce infection, ICU pressures and mortality, so public fear: could provide a cheap resource-and-cost-saving basal treatment protocol, added to by vaccines, a ‘paradigm-shift’ enlightening bleak COVID-19 outlooks, empowering people, thus possible exit from D-deficient COVID-19 pandemic shadow-lands, steering a ‘D’ course to a brighter pastures."
Full text here, British Medical Journal:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3872/rr-5 |
To confirm, worldwide every other country distributed, or looked to distribute, vitamin D and there is evidence in the form of links to multiple article across the globe to establish the success of such actions?
If this didn’t happen, was the entire globe showing “crass stupidity” or being “criminally deliberate” for not taking that route? If so, are there links to multiple articles across the globe which indicate that changes will be made to start the introduction of distributing vitamin D? [Post edited 9 Jan 2021 13:00]
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| Covid Postponements on 13:29 - Jan 9 with 2022 views | D_Alien |
| Covid Postponements on 12:47 - Jan 9 by 49thseason |
The government had several opportunities to ameliorate the effects of this disease , them first was simple, to distribute vitamin D to every care home and vulnerable person, Bame and obese person and to encourage everyone else to take it. Studies now show Vit D reduces infection by over 50%.
Vit D could have been distributed during the last summer ready for the anticipated winter "2nd wave" and lives would have been saved, businesses and schools would be open and the economy would be billions to the good. That they didnt take the vit D evidence seriously was either crass stupidity or criminally deliberate. Maybe it was too obvious and simple for those sophisticates in the higher reaches of government and medicine, after all there is no profit in vitamins.
"Pragmatic recognition of the need to: supplement ‘D’ in; high risk groups, COVID-19 hospital patients, and more widely; eliminate the ‘social-injustice’[6, 7] of vitamin ‘D’ discrimination against; BAME, the Elderly, Carehomers and Obese; reduce infection, ICU pressures and mortality, so public fear: could provide a cheap resource-and-cost-saving basal treatment protocol, added to by vaccines, a ‘paradigm-shift’ enlightening bleak COVID-19 outlooks, empowering people, thus possible exit from D-deficient COVID-19 pandemic shadow-lands, steering a ‘D’ course to a brighter pastures."
Full text here, British Medical Journal:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3872/rr-5 |
It's been known for a very long time that Vitamin D helps keep a healthy immune system in good order. The majority of people suffering Covid-shocks are already immuno-compromised either due to age (the immune system deteriorates naturally with aging), obesity, existing disease, or all three
The government needs no lessons in crass stupidity from you | |
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| Covid Postponements on 13:51 - Jan 9 with 1978 views | James1980 |
Did you know flat earthers have natural immunity to Covid-19. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 22:02 - Jan 9 with 1877 views | 49thseason |
| Covid Postponements on 13:29 - Jan 9 by D_Alien |
It's been known for a very long time that Vitamin D helps keep a healthy immune system in good order. The majority of people suffering Covid-shocks are already immuno-compromised either due to age (the immune system deteriorates naturally with aging), obesity, existing disease, or all three
The government needs no lessons in crass stupidity from you |
The Government needs to take notice of its own advice, its a shame that it takes people like me to bring their failing to the attention of people like you. #In 2014, NICE issued guidelines about Vitamin D in certain sectors of the population , the very same sectors that are now suffering from Covid 19 an upper respiratory infection..
In December, 2020, just before Christmas they referred to that advice in a new Rapid Guidance Note, Perhaps you missed it? Here are the recommendations:
The recommendations bring together:
evidence from published literature on vitamin D supplementation for preventing or treating COVID-19, associations of vitamin D status with COVID-19, and indirect evidence on vitamin D supplementation for preventing acute respiratory tract infection in the general population (from the updated Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition rapid review)
****existing national guidance and policies (including UK government advice on taking a vitamin D supplement)****
advice from specialists working in the NHS from across the UK, including nutritionists, intensive care specialists, public health physicians, microbiologists, general practitioners and pharmacists.
Now I don't know about you, but I didn't notice Boris telling people to take Vitamin D -despite NICE and lots of others pointing to mounting evidence that it could help many people with Covid 19 to A), help avoid getting the disease and B) mitigate symptoms if they did catch it. You might have thought that bearing in mind the NICE advice someone other than me and other informed people might have mentioned it and perhaps sent supplies of it to care homes as a minimum.
So perhaps you might want to apologise for your snarky little "crass stupidity" comment and give me a reasoned explanation as to why the Government didn't mention something which is cheap and effective and in all probability would have saved lives?
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ph56
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/NG187
So, are you taking Vitamin D? | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 22:03 - Jan 9 with 1867 views | 442Dale |
| Covid Postponements on 22:02 - Jan 9 by 49thseason |
The Government needs to take notice of its own advice, its a shame that it takes people like me to bring their failing to the attention of people like you. #In 2014, NICE issued guidelines about Vitamin D in certain sectors of the population , the very same sectors that are now suffering from Covid 19 an upper respiratory infection..
In December, 2020, just before Christmas they referred to that advice in a new Rapid Guidance Note, Perhaps you missed it? Here are the recommendations:
The recommendations bring together:
evidence from published literature on vitamin D supplementation for preventing or treating COVID-19, associations of vitamin D status with COVID-19, and indirect evidence on vitamin D supplementation for preventing acute respiratory tract infection in the general population (from the updated Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition rapid review)
****existing national guidance and policies (including UK government advice on taking a vitamin D supplement)****
advice from specialists working in the NHS from across the UK, including nutritionists, intensive care specialists, public health physicians, microbiologists, general practitioners and pharmacists.
Now I don't know about you, but I didn't notice Boris telling people to take Vitamin D -despite NICE and lots of others pointing to mounting evidence that it could help many people with Covid 19 to A), help avoid getting the disease and B) mitigate symptoms if they did catch it. You might have thought that bearing in mind the NICE advice someone other than me and other informed people might have mentioned it and perhaps sent supplies of it to care homes as a minimum.
So perhaps you might want to apologise for your snarky little "crass stupidity" comment and give me a reasoned explanation as to why the Government didn't mention something which is cheap and effective and in all probability would have saved lives?
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ph56
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/NG187
So, are you taking Vitamin D? |
Please address the post around what has happened in other countries around the world. Thank you. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 22:06 - Jan 9 with 1857 views | D_Alien |
| Covid Postponements on 22:02 - Jan 9 by 49thseason |
The Government needs to take notice of its own advice, its a shame that it takes people like me to bring their failing to the attention of people like you. #In 2014, NICE issued guidelines about Vitamin D in certain sectors of the population , the very same sectors that are now suffering from Covid 19 an upper respiratory infection..
In December, 2020, just before Christmas they referred to that advice in a new Rapid Guidance Note, Perhaps you missed it? Here are the recommendations:
The recommendations bring together:
evidence from published literature on vitamin D supplementation for preventing or treating COVID-19, associations of vitamin D status with COVID-19, and indirect evidence on vitamin D supplementation for preventing acute respiratory tract infection in the general population (from the updated Scientific Advisory Committee on Nutrition rapid review)
****existing national guidance and policies (including UK government advice on taking a vitamin D supplement)****
advice from specialists working in the NHS from across the UK, including nutritionists, intensive care specialists, public health physicians, microbiologists, general practitioners and pharmacists.
Now I don't know about you, but I didn't notice Boris telling people to take Vitamin D -despite NICE and lots of others pointing to mounting evidence that it could help many people with Covid 19 to A), help avoid getting the disease and B) mitigate symptoms if they did catch it. You might have thought that bearing in mind the NICE advice someone other than me and other informed people might have mentioned it and perhaps sent supplies of it to care homes as a minimum.
So perhaps you might want to apologise for your snarky little "crass stupidity" comment and give me a reasoned explanation as to why the Government didn't mention something which is cheap and effective and in all probability would have saved lives?
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/ph56
https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/NG187
So, are you taking Vitamin D? |
There was nothing snarky about it, it was posted with sincerity
I get plenty of Vit D in my diet, thanks | |
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| Covid Postponements on 00:20 - Jan 10 with 1788 views | DaleiLama |
| Covid Postponements on 12:47 - Jan 9 by 49thseason |
The government had several opportunities to ameliorate the effects of this disease , them first was simple, to distribute vitamin D to every care home and vulnerable person, Bame and obese person and to encourage everyone else to take it. Studies now show Vit D reduces infection by over 50%.
Vit D could have been distributed during the last summer ready for the anticipated winter "2nd wave" and lives would have been saved, businesses and schools would be open and the economy would be billions to the good. That they didnt take the vit D evidence seriously was either crass stupidity or criminally deliberate. Maybe it was too obvious and simple for those sophisticates in the higher reaches of government and medicine, after all there is no profit in vitamins.
"Pragmatic recognition of the need to: supplement ‘D’ in; high risk groups, COVID-19 hospital patients, and more widely; eliminate the ‘social-injustice’[6, 7] of vitamin ‘D’ discrimination against; BAME, the Elderly, Carehomers and Obese; reduce infection, ICU pressures and mortality, so public fear: could provide a cheap resource-and-cost-saving basal treatment protocol, added to by vaccines, a ‘paradigm-shift’ enlightening bleak COVID-19 outlooks, empowering people, thus possible exit from D-deficient COVID-19 pandemic shadow-lands, steering a ‘D’ course to a brighter pastures."
Full text here, British Medical Journal:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m3872/rr-5 |
"after all there is no profit in vitamins"
Are you really saying the government would rather borrow billion upon billion and incur debts that will take generations (plural) to recover from than prescribe something cheap and effective which would save lives (like .... oh ..... if only I could think of something ..... like dexamethasone ..... or something like that ....  ).
If Vitamin D does that to someone, it should carry a government health warning not become candidate for mass distribution. I'd be looking to reduce your intake if I were you - it may be doing you harm? |  |
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| Covid Postponements on 19:40 - Jan 10 with 1657 views | 49thseason |
| Covid Postponements on 22:03 - Jan 9 by 442Dale |
Please address the post around what has happened in other countries around the world. Thank you. |
442, I am not exactly sure what your request entails, are you asking if other countries are using Vitamin D supplements to treat Covid or are you asking if there is a vitamin D problem in many countries that is or is not being addressed by supplementation?
There is a vitamin D deficiency problem globally, as we have moved from and agricultural to industrial societies (read about the occurrence of Rickets and its cure), Vitamin D sufficiency from sunshine has fallen, The problem of sunshine-linked melanoma in places like Australia has exacerbated the use of UVB blockers and sunbathing generally which in turn prevents the uptake of Vitamin D. Equally, increased processing of food has reduced dietary intake of Vitamin D. Vitamin D also lodges in human fat rather than being processed by the liver and kidneys, given the worldwide increase in obesity the correlation with vitamin D deficiency is clear.
Main factors for Vitamin D Deficiency:
1)Northern hemisphere above the 40 degree latitude (Earths tilt) Ie we get less UV rays as they come in at an angle and not from directly above
2) Indoor employment increases, fewer people spend time outside working
3) use of sunscreens and reluctance to sunbathe and people with Black and brown skin living in Northern climes cannot possibly get enough vitamin D without supplementation.
4) Processed foods
5) Intensively farmed meat and fish , contain less Vitamin D than prior to intensive farming methods.
6) Obesity
7. Aging is associated with decreased concentrations of 7-dehydrocholesterol, the precursor of vitamin D3 in the skin. A 70-y-old has around 25% of the 7-dehydrocholesterol that a young adult does and thus has a 75% reduced capacity to make vitamin D3 in the skin
7) Religious observance
Worldwide, people are becoming exposed to less sunshine, and less Vitamin D in their diets as an example, farmed salmon, contains only 10% of the Vitamin D of sea salmon, pork fat has little vitamin D as pigs now spend less time outside, indeed our preference for less fatty food has compromised much of our dietary intake of Vitamin D.
Strange as it may seem , even in places like Saudi Arabia, there is huge vitamin D deficiency because of the religious need to be covered..
Some time ago I alluded to a Spanish study in which out of 76 randomly selected Covid patients 26 were given a large injection of Vitamin D (calcifediol)alongside the usual treatments:
N.B Calcifediol is the substance which exits the liver following the ingestion or Vitamin D or exposure to UVB of the skin it is essentially a Hormone not really a Vitamin, it was used to speed up the process of getting extra Vitamin D into the patients systems as they were already ill with Covid 19
"Results revealed that 13 out of 26 patients (50%) in the control group were admitted to ICU, and two died in the end. In the calcifediol* group, only one out of 50 (2%) required ICU admission, and none died".
* calcifediol https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Calcifediol
From another study:
"This trial supports prior evidence that low vitamin D3 status increases the risk of Covid-19 positive diagnosis, greater severity, and mortality. Further, mechanistically speaking, there is no reason why vitamin D3 could not be helpful. Vitamin D3 regulates the RAS and immune system, both of which are critical determinants of how one responds to Covid-19."
An Israeli study:
" “Low plasma 25(OH) vitamin D level is associated with increased risk of COVIDâ€19 infection: an Israeli populationâ€based study,” was published in July. Researchers in Israel identified lower overall vitamin D levels in 782 Covid-19 compared to 7,025 non-Covid-19 participants. More importantly, low vitamin D levels increased the odds of hospitalization by 95%, after adjusting for demographics and comorbidities confounders. “Low plasma 25(OH)D level appears to be an independent risk factor for COVIDâ€19 infection and hospitalization,”
from a study by researchers in Turin and Switzerland:
25-Hydroxyvitamin D Concentrations Are Lower in Patients with Positive PCR for SARS-CoV-2
"As suggested by Grant et al., it is recommended that people at risk of COVID-19 consider taking 10,000 IU/day of vitamin D3 for a few weeks to rapidly increase their 25(OH)D concentrations, followed by 5000 IU/day to reduce the risk of infection. The goal should be to raise 25(OH)D concentrations above 40—60 ng/mL (100—150 nmol/L) [3], or at least 30 ng/mL, considering our preliminary data.
It is probable that vitamin D3 supplementation would be useful in the treatment of COVID-19 infection, in preventing a more severe symptomatology and/or in reducing the presence of the virus in the upper respiratory tract and making the patients less infectious (justifying negative PCR in people with higher 25(OH)D). Randomized controlled trials and large population studies should be conducted to evaluate these recommendations and to confirm our preliminary observations and hypothesis".
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/5/1359/htm
Finally... The Royal Society:
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.201912
"We urge UK and other governments to recommend vitamin D supplementation at 800—1000 IU/day for all, making it clear that this is to help optimize immune health and not solely for bone and muscle health. This should be mandated for prescription in care homes, prisons and other institutions where people are likely to have been indoors for much of the summer. Adults likely to be deficient should consider taking a higher dose, e.g. 4000 IU/day for the first four weeks before reducing to 800 IU—1000 IU/day. People admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 should have their vitamin D status checked and/or supplemented and consideration should be given to testing high-dose calcifediol in the RECOVERY trial. We feel this should be pursued with great urgency. Vitamin D levels in the UK will be falling from October onwards as we head into winter. There seems nothing to lose and potentially much to gain."
Matt Hancock to Parliament: "We have tested Vitamin D , It doesn't work".... wrong on both counts, it had not been tested and it does work, make of that what you will.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/02/matt-hancock-wrongly-claims-study-said-vitamin-d-
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-wrong-to-say-government-scientists-ra | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 19:56 - Jan 10 with 1625 views | 442Dale |
| Covid Postponements on 19:40 - Jan 10 by 49thseason |
442, I am not exactly sure what your request entails, are you asking if other countries are using Vitamin D supplements to treat Covid or are you asking if there is a vitamin D problem in many countries that is or is not being addressed by supplementation?
There is a vitamin D deficiency problem globally, as we have moved from and agricultural to industrial societies (read about the occurrence of Rickets and its cure), Vitamin D sufficiency from sunshine has fallen, The problem of sunshine-linked melanoma in places like Australia has exacerbated the use of UVB blockers and sunbathing generally which in turn prevents the uptake of Vitamin D. Equally, increased processing of food has reduced dietary intake of Vitamin D. Vitamin D also lodges in human fat rather than being processed by the liver and kidneys, given the worldwide increase in obesity the correlation with vitamin D deficiency is clear.
Main factors for Vitamin D Deficiency:
1)Northern hemisphere above the 40 degree latitude (Earths tilt) Ie we get less UV rays as they come in at an angle and not from directly above
2) Indoor employment increases, fewer people spend time outside working
3) use of sunscreens and reluctance to sunbathe and people with Black and brown skin living in Northern climes cannot possibly get enough vitamin D without supplementation.
4) Processed foods
5) Intensively farmed meat and fish , contain less Vitamin D than prior to intensive farming methods.
6) Obesity
7. Aging is associated with decreased concentrations of 7-dehydrocholesterol, the precursor of vitamin D3 in the skin. A 70-y-old has around 25% of the 7-dehydrocholesterol that a young adult does and thus has a 75% reduced capacity to make vitamin D3 in the skin
7) Religious observance
Worldwide, people are becoming exposed to less sunshine, and less Vitamin D in their diets as an example, farmed salmon, contains only 10% of the Vitamin D of sea salmon, pork fat has little vitamin D as pigs now spend less time outside, indeed our preference for less fatty food has compromised much of our dietary intake of Vitamin D.
Strange as it may seem , even in places like Saudi Arabia, there is huge vitamin D deficiency because of the religious need to be covered..
Some time ago I alluded to a Spanish study in which out of 76 randomly selected Covid patients 26 were given a large injection of Vitamin D (calcifediol)alongside the usual treatments:
N.B Calcifediol is the substance which exits the liver following the ingestion or Vitamin D or exposure to UVB of the skin it is essentially a Hormone not really a Vitamin, it was used to speed up the process of getting extra Vitamin D into the patients systems as they were already ill with Covid 19
"Results revealed that 13 out of 26 patients (50%) in the control group were admitted to ICU, and two died in the end. In the calcifediol* group, only one out of 50 (2%) required ICU admission, and none died".
* calcifediol https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/Calcifediol
From another study:
"This trial supports prior evidence that low vitamin D3 status increases the risk of Covid-19 positive diagnosis, greater severity, and mortality. Further, mechanistically speaking, there is no reason why vitamin D3 could not be helpful. Vitamin D3 regulates the RAS and immune system, both of which are critical determinants of how one responds to Covid-19."
An Israeli study:
" “Low plasma 25(OH) vitamin D level is associated with increased risk of COVIDâ€19 infection: an Israeli populationâ€based study,” was published in July. Researchers in Israel identified lower overall vitamin D levels in 782 Covid-19 compared to 7,025 non-Covid-19 participants. More importantly, low vitamin D levels increased the odds of hospitalization by 95%, after adjusting for demographics and comorbidities confounders. “Low plasma 25(OH)D level appears to be an independent risk factor for COVIDâ€19 infection and hospitalization,”
from a study by researchers in Turin and Switzerland:
25-Hydroxyvitamin D Concentrations Are Lower in Patients with Positive PCR for SARS-CoV-2
"As suggested by Grant et al., it is recommended that people at risk of COVID-19 consider taking 10,000 IU/day of vitamin D3 for a few weeks to rapidly increase their 25(OH)D concentrations, followed by 5000 IU/day to reduce the risk of infection. The goal should be to raise 25(OH)D concentrations above 40—60 ng/mL (100—150 nmol/L) [3], or at least 30 ng/mL, considering our preliminary data.
It is probable that vitamin D3 supplementation would be useful in the treatment of COVID-19 infection, in preventing a more severe symptomatology and/or in reducing the presence of the virus in the upper respiratory tract and making the patients less infectious (justifying negative PCR in people with higher 25(OH)D). Randomized controlled trials and large population studies should be conducted to evaluate these recommendations and to confirm our preliminary observations and hypothesis".
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/5/1359/htm
Finally... The Royal Society:
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.201912
"We urge UK and other governments to recommend vitamin D supplementation at 800—1000 IU/day for all, making it clear that this is to help optimize immune health and not solely for bone and muscle health. This should be mandated for prescription in care homes, prisons and other institutions where people are likely to have been indoors for much of the summer. Adults likely to be deficient should consider taking a higher dose, e.g. 4000 IU/day for the first four weeks before reducing to 800 IU—1000 IU/day. People admitted to the hospital with COVID-19 should have their vitamin D status checked and/or supplemented and consideration should be given to testing high-dose calcifediol in the RECOVERY trial. We feel this should be pursued with great urgency. Vitamin D levels in the UK will be falling from October onwards as we head into winter. There seems nothing to lose and potentially much to gain."
Matt Hancock to Parliament: "We have tested Vitamin D , It doesn't work".... wrong on both counts, it had not been tested and it does work, make of that what you will.
https://metro.co.uk/2020/10/02/matt-hancock-wrongly-claims-study-said-vitamin-d-
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hancock-wrong-to-say-government-scientists-ra |
It was what was posted:
What have they done abroad differently in encouraging the use of vitamin D to illustrate its effectiveness? ie. are there some links to establish what has happened elsewhere? Not studies actual use in the community and how it’s worked across a country.
If they haven’t in other countries, why not and are they also showing “crass stupidity”?
Doesn’t need much more than that really. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 20:19 - Jan 10 with 1599 views | 49thseason |
| Covid Postponements on 19:56 - Jan 10 by 442Dale |
It was what was posted:
What have they done abroad differently in encouraging the use of vitamin D to illustrate its effectiveness? ie. are there some links to establish what has happened elsewhere? Not studies actual use in the community and how it’s worked across a country.
If they haven’t in other countries, why not and are they also showing “crass stupidity”?
Doesn’t need much more than that really. |
OK, I see. I have no real idea other than Sweden has mandatory supplementation, Norway actively encourages it through supplements and sunbeds and I think Finland has a bit of both , I once went on holiday to Majorca and stayed in a hotel full of Icelanders who had been sent there by the government to top up their D levels. I know there have been studies all over the world that have shocked people by the magnitude of the problem which is sort of creeping up on them, years ago the problem was recognised and foods had Vit D added to them. it seems that we forgot how important it is and generations of GPs were unaware as no one mentioned it in their training. There isn't even an international consensus about what Vit D level should be regarded as "Sufficient" . But when the Royal College tells government that they need to get supplements out to over 10m people as they believe it would help fight off the virus, you wonder why no one took any notice and why Hancock lied in Parliament about it. Hence my comment. I doubt you or I would get that sort of information from such a source at a time like this when they have spent literally hundreds of millions on useless PPE and do nothing about it. I suspect when this is all over, the inevitable report will be damning. | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 20:33 - Jan 10 with 1581 views | D_Alien |
Hurry Hurry! Get your free Vitamin D supplements!
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/people-at-higher-risk/get-vit
You've got till tomorrow to apply, if you're in a higher risk group. The NHS has always recommended maintaining a healthy immune system, as would any sensible person
It's time to put 49th out of his misery, and the stress involved in his indomitable internet searches which must impact on his immune system (stress is a known factor in lowering one's immune response)
From a starting point here...
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/262430/the-jury-is-in-!-ta
...let it be concluded that the age groups who're now succumbing to Covid (more severe symptoms, up to and including mortality, plus Long Covid) are increasingly younger with the new variant and whose immune systems were previously healthy, not lacking in essential nutrients and well-exercised. In short, Vitamin D is vital to us all, but can in no way be put forward as a panacea for a deadly virus. To claim otherwise is not just foolish, but dangerous nonsense | |
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| Covid Postponements on 20:34 - Jan 10 with 1578 views | 442Dale |
| Covid Postponements on 20:19 - Jan 10 by 49thseason |
OK, I see. I have no real idea other than Sweden has mandatory supplementation, Norway actively encourages it through supplements and sunbeds and I think Finland has a bit of both , I once went on holiday to Majorca and stayed in a hotel full of Icelanders who had been sent there by the government to top up their D levels. I know there have been studies all over the world that have shocked people by the magnitude of the problem which is sort of creeping up on them, years ago the problem was recognised and foods had Vit D added to them. it seems that we forgot how important it is and generations of GPs were unaware as no one mentioned it in their training. There isn't even an international consensus about what Vit D level should be regarded as "Sufficient" . But when the Royal College tells government that they need to get supplements out to over 10m people as they believe it would help fight off the virus, you wonder why no one took any notice and why Hancock lied in Parliament about it. Hence my comment. I doubt you or I would get that sort of information from such a source at a time like this when they have spent literally hundreds of millions on useless PPE and do nothing about it. I suspect when this is all over, the inevitable report will be damning. |
Thanks.
Makes you wonder why the world isn’t using it and it’s not being reported as an alternative and we’d all be aware of it. Maybe the subsequent reports in all countries will indeed be damning around this. Or not if there’s no international consensus. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 10:59 - Jan 14 with 1414 views | DaleiLama |
Very interesting thread here. In the light of this, the only way out of the pandemic would appear to be vaccination, because track, trace and isolate is as much use as something you might scrape off your shoe if the third component is ignored at these levels. Staggering.
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| Covid Postponements on 13:54 - Jan 14 with 1311 views | Nigeriamark |
| Covid Postponements on 10:59 - Jan 14 by DaleiLama |
Very interesting thread here. In the light of this, the only way out of the pandemic would appear to be vaccination, because track, trace and isolate is as much use as something you might scrape off your shoe if the third component is ignored at these levels. Staggering.
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Yep. any TTT system has 2 components. the technical side and then the human side i.e will people follow the guidance indicated by the results. In fairness to the British population, I'm not sure we have the first " world class" component fully up and running yet before we evaluate how people are responding to it |  | | |
| Covid Postponements on 14:06 - Jan 14 with 1296 views | D_Alien |
| Covid Postponements on 13:54 - Jan 14 by Nigeriamark |
Yep. any TTT system has 2 components. the technical side and then the human side i.e will people follow the guidance indicated by the results. In fairness to the British population, I'm not sure we have the first " world class" component fully up and running yet before we evaluate how people are responding to it |
In equal fairness to the British population, there are probably two main reasons for non-compliance with isolation:
1) people who literally can't afford to isolate due to financial issues (not blaming anyone here)
2) those who just can't be arsed
Regarding 1, it's probably too late now but this is something that could've been given more comprehensive financial cover by the government since too many don't qualify for the payments of £500 but that's massively outweighed by the costs to the NHS (financial and otherwise) and of course the human costs of transmission | |
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| Covid Postponements on 14:20 - Jan 14 with 1268 views | James1980 |
| Covid Postponements on 14:06 - Jan 14 by D_Alien |
In equal fairness to the British population, there are probably two main reasons for non-compliance with isolation:
1) people who literally can't afford to isolate due to financial issues (not blaming anyone here)
2) those who just can't be arsed
Regarding 1, it's probably too late now but this is something that could've been given more comprehensive financial cover by the government since too many don't qualify for the payments of £500 but that's massively outweighed by the costs to the NHS (financial and otherwise) and of course the human costs of transmission |
Right from the start I said something needs to be done about people without sick pay beyond the pittance of SSP. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 14:45 - Jan 14 with 1237 views | DaleiLama |
| Covid Postponements on 14:06 - Jan 14 by D_Alien |
In equal fairness to the British population, there are probably two main reasons for non-compliance with isolation:
1) people who literally can't afford to isolate due to financial issues (not blaming anyone here)
2) those who just can't be arsed
Regarding 1, it's probably too late now but this is something that could've been given more comprehensive financial cover by the government since too many don't qualify for the payments of £500 but that's massively outweighed by the costs to the NHS (financial and otherwise) and of course the human costs of transmission |
The cost of compensating 1/ above, as you say, is far outweighed by the cost of not.
2/ can't be fixed. Selfishness and stupidity are beyond the reach of intervention. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 15:46 - Jan 14 with 1192 views | 49thseason |
| Covid Postponements on 14:45 - Jan 14 by DaleiLama |
The cost of compensating 1/ above, as you say, is far outweighed by the cost of not.
2/ can't be fixed. Selfishness and stupidity are beyond the reach of intervention. |
And finally, two stories about Vitamin D
1. My wife has MS. After a number of years dealing with attacks which involved loss of use of one side of her body or the other, temporary loss of sight in her right eye, and deteriorating short term memory, each attack left her in a worse position than prior to the attack we were recommended by a private specialist to ask the neuro specialist at Hope Hospital for her to be put on Beta Interferon. To cut a long story short, he refused claiming she was "ineligible" this turned out to be because she hadn't had sufficient attacks within a 12 month window, apparently 2 attacks in 13 months didn't count ... Beta interferon is upwards of £10k a year. That was when my research started, eventually I found an Australian study that concluded vitamin D in large doses was as good as beta interferon but without the side effects... bingo! I put my wife on 15,000 IUs a day nearly 8 years ago , since when not a single attack!
This lead to further investigation of MS and Vitamin D which revealed MS is virtually unknown at the equator and is essentially a Northern Hemisphere disease. worsening the further North you go. Vitamin D is now recommended for MS patients by a few believers in the NHS sadly , too few, essentially because no one mentions it to trainee Doctors.
Story 2
I follow my shares investments online and join in a few discussion groups. 3 years ago one of the participants mentioned his wife had ben diagnosed with MS and was quite ill with repeating attacks and had been advised not to have children. I told him my wife's story and what I was dosing my wife with and as ever with shares , to do his own research. That was the last I heard until two years later when he came back on line asking if I was still around , wanting to thank me for the info on Vitamin D and that his wife was vastly improved and that the previous evening had given birth to a baby girl!
Vitamin D isn't actually a "vitamin" in the way most people think of them, its action is more like a hormone and it effects just about every cell in the human body as well as switching on/ or off, over 1000 genes. We ignore its effects at our peril, no one in our part of the world can be Vit D sufficient, we simply do not get enough sunshine and its almost impossible to achieve sufficiency through diet unless you eat huge amounts of wild salmon every day , supplements are the only route available. It also doesn't last long in the body either, so you can spend 2 weeks in Spain in you budgie smugglers every summer but by October, the benefit has gone from your body. Hence, people with April / May birthdays are the most susceptible to MS.
I apologise to those who don't share my enthusiasm for this simple remedy for a wide range of ailments, If a couple of people have literally seen the(sun) light then this thread may well be more worthwhile than any of us realise. | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 17:49 - Jan 14 with 1125 views | Nigeriamark |
| Covid Postponements on 15:46 - Jan 14 by 49thseason |
And finally, two stories about Vitamin D
1. My wife has MS. After a number of years dealing with attacks which involved loss of use of one side of her body or the other, temporary loss of sight in her right eye, and deteriorating short term memory, each attack left her in a worse position than prior to the attack we were recommended by a private specialist to ask the neuro specialist at Hope Hospital for her to be put on Beta Interferon. To cut a long story short, he refused claiming she was "ineligible" this turned out to be because she hadn't had sufficient attacks within a 12 month window, apparently 2 attacks in 13 months didn't count ... Beta interferon is upwards of £10k a year. That was when my research started, eventually I found an Australian study that concluded vitamin D in large doses was as good as beta interferon but without the side effects... bingo! I put my wife on 15,000 IUs a day nearly 8 years ago , since when not a single attack!
This lead to further investigation of MS and Vitamin D which revealed MS is virtually unknown at the equator and is essentially a Northern Hemisphere disease. worsening the further North you go. Vitamin D is now recommended for MS patients by a few believers in the NHS sadly , too few, essentially because no one mentions it to trainee Doctors.
Story 2
I follow my shares investments online and join in a few discussion groups. 3 years ago one of the participants mentioned his wife had ben diagnosed with MS and was quite ill with repeating attacks and had been advised not to have children. I told him my wife's story and what I was dosing my wife with and as ever with shares , to do his own research. That was the last I heard until two years later when he came back on line asking if I was still around , wanting to thank me for the info on Vitamin D and that his wife was vastly improved and that the previous evening had given birth to a baby girl!
Vitamin D isn't actually a "vitamin" in the way most people think of them, its action is more like a hormone and it effects just about every cell in the human body as well as switching on/ or off, over 1000 genes. We ignore its effects at our peril, no one in our part of the world can be Vit D sufficient, we simply do not get enough sunshine and its almost impossible to achieve sufficiency through diet unless you eat huge amounts of wild salmon every day , supplements are the only route available. It also doesn't last long in the body either, so you can spend 2 weeks in Spain in you budgie smugglers every summer but by October, the benefit has gone from your body. Hence, people with April / May birthdays are the most susceptible to MS.
I apologise to those who don't share my enthusiasm for this simple remedy for a wide range of ailments, If a couple of people have literally seen the(sun) light then this thread may well be more worthwhile than any of us realise. |
10 out of 10 for persistence | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 13:56 - Jan 18 with 976 views | 442Dale |
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| Covid Postponements on 14:16 - Jan 18 with 926 views | Dalenet |
| Covid Postponements on 13:56 - Jan 18 by 442Dale |
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Yes it is hitting some people harder than others. The average age of an Intensive Care patient is now 61 and coming down. Just stay safe and football staff need to keep their distance or keep their masks on at games. Of course some managers are more vocal than others
Best wishes to all at the Shrews | | | |
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