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Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 14:30 - Aug 26 by ReslovenSwan1
If you see no offence at you and your family as being aggressively labelled a deviant on the basis of your ethnicity then I cannot help you I'm afraid.
We live on different planets. You are welcome to continue to doff your cap at those insulting you and your family if that is the safest option.
The degree of aggressiveness should not come into it.
You are, for some reason, thinking that the person who called you a sheep shagger, thinks you are a sexual deviant. It's a mere insult.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 14:32 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
This is the point being made.
If you used number 3 - one you also singled out as something you wouldn’t do, you may well get arrested. If not then people would certainly label you as racist at the very least.
So if there is a stigma there, then there should be with all similar insults to people of all origins really. But some are seen as acceptable and others not.
So it’s hard for me to tell Resolven he shouldn’t see that as an attack on his ethnicity when I probably would see it as that for the third option in your list. Yet they are essentially the same.
And that brings me back to the acceptable face of abuse/racism. Some people are allowed to be attacked based on their origins and others aren’t. It’s a bit of a double standard, it should all be seen as offensive and all thrown out.
I’m still amazed how the on court racial abuse of Doncic was allowed in the NBA, with social justice and anti racism messages strewn all over. The more you accept the more you invite as a society in my opinion.
If that's the case, then all of those insults should be banned.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 14:30 - Aug 26 by ReslovenSwan1
If you see no offence at you and your family as being aggressively labelled a deviant on the basis of your ethnicity then I cannot help you I'm afraid.
We live on different planets. You are welcome to continue to doff your cap at those insulting you and your family if that is the safest option.
You’re missing your own point.
You’ve got every sympathy from me for the aggression and intimidation you had to face. Judging by the thread, I’d guess that goes for jackarmee too.
What I’m not swayed by is the term sheepshagger. It’s a joke of an insult. He wasn’t actually labelling you as a deviant unless he thought it was something you really did.
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Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:14 - Aug 26 with 639 views
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 14:59 - Aug 26 by jack247
You’re missing your own point.
You’ve got every sympathy from me for the aggression and intimidation you had to face. Judging by the thread, I’d guess that goes for jackarmee too.
What I’m not swayed by is the term sheepshagger. It’s a joke of an insult. He wasn’t actually labelling you as a deviant unless he thought it was something you really did.
Hmmm I’m not sure that can be the criteria either to be fair.
Let’s say we signed a player from Saudi and someone said on Twitter that we signed a suicide bomber, or something equally as unimaginative and offensive. Assuming the person saying it obviously wouldn’t believe he actually was… would you consider that racist and offensive?
Most people would, I would assume.
So anyone abusing someone due to where they are from for me is completely unacceptable. Regardless of where that is.
It’s this picking and choosing who isn’t allowed to be offended and who is fine to attack is where we get into problems.
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Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:14 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
Hmmm I’m not sure that can be the criteria either to be fair.
Let’s say we signed a player from Saudi and someone said on Twitter that we signed a suicide bomber, or something equally as unimaginative and offensive. Assuming the person saying it obviously wouldn’t believe he actually was… would you consider that racist and offensive?
Most people would, I would assume.
So anyone abusing someone due to where they are from for me is completely unacceptable. Regardless of where that is.
It’s this picking and choosing who isn’t allowed to be offended and who is fine to attack is where we get into problems.
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No doubt the lines are blurred, but I’d say that the Saudi example is more likely to be islamophobic as opposed to straight racist.
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Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:32 - Aug 26 with 627 views
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:14 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
Hmmm I’m not sure that can be the criteria either to be fair.
Let’s say we signed a player from Saudi and someone said on Twitter that we signed a suicide bomber, or something equally as unimaginative and offensive. Assuming the person saying it obviously wouldn’t believe he actually was… would you consider that racist and offensive?
Most people would, I would assume.
So anyone abusing someone due to where they are from for me is completely unacceptable. Regardless of where that is.
It’s this picking and choosing who isn’t allowed to be offended and who is fine to attack is where we get into problems.
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That isn’t what happened though.
He was called a sheepshagger by someone who in my view would have abused him for being fat, black, Scottish, Irish, bald, gay, whatever. He just happened to be Welsh and walking past.
The guy probably gave some fan of a fellow English club a mouthful the week after.
Anyway, I’m sure Resolven is ok. I hope Morgan Whittaker is. You only had to see Dhandas press conference to see how badly it affected him.
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Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:48 - Aug 26 with 621 views
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:14 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
Hmmm I’m not sure that can be the criteria either to be fair.
Let’s say we signed a player from Saudi and someone said on Twitter that we signed a suicide bomber, or something equally as unimaginative and offensive. Assuming the person saying it obviously wouldn’t believe he actually was… would you consider that racist and offensive?
Most people would, I would assume.
So anyone abusing someone due to where they are from for me is completely unacceptable. Regardless of where that is.
It’s this picking and choosing who isn’t allowed to be offended and who is fine to attack is where we get into problems.
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But it' not the same.
Calling us a sheepshagger would be equivalent to calling him a camel cwtcher. Or something along those lines. I'm sure he would find that quite funny and not the least bit offensive.
It's not until a bunch of snowflakes start saying that they are offended, as they do not cuddle up to camels, that the rest of the people want to join in and make it into a racial slur.
It's not offensive, so grow up is what I'd say to him. Probably what someone should have said to the first person who started crying after being told that he wants to have sex with a farm animal. But no, that pansy started moaning and now we have a load of (pun intended) sheep pretending that the insult somehow hurts them. Awww bless.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:32 - Aug 26 by jack247
That isn’t what happened though.
He was called a sheepshagger by someone who in my view would have abused him for being fat, black, Scottish, Irish, bald, gay, whatever. He just happened to be Welsh and walking past.
The guy probably gave some fan of a fellow English club a mouthful the week after.
Anyway, I’m sure Resolven is ok. I hope Morgan Whittaker is. You only had to see Dhandas press conference to see how badly it affected him.
Exactly. If he wasn't Welsh, he'd have had to think of another insult.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:32 - Aug 26 by jack247
That isn’t what happened though.
He was called a sheepshagger by someone who in my view would have abused him for being fat, black, Scottish, Irish, bald, gay, whatever. He just happened to be Welsh and walking past.
The guy probably gave some fan of a fellow English club a mouthful the week after.
Anyway, I’m sure Resolven is ok. I hope Morgan Whittaker is. You only had to see Dhandas press conference to see how badly it affected him.
But I am asking you, if it did happen would you consider that as racist? You probably would, is that fair to presume? I would for sure and pretty sure most others would.
So it doesn’t sit right with me that society accepts some racial abuse and ignores the same to others deemed as fair game. It’s this inequality that really doesn’t provide a good foundation for the subject of race to grow in a way that is perceived to be clear to all.
Nobody should be attacked for their ethnicity, be that Indian, Welsh, Saudi, Irish or Nigerian. It’s all wrong and we shouldnt be tolerating some and slamming others, it should all be treated the same.
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Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 15:48 - Aug 26 by jackrmee
But it' not the same.
Calling us a sheepshagger would be equivalent to calling him a camel cwtcher. Or something along those lines. I'm sure he would find that quite funny and not the least bit offensive.
It's not until a bunch of snowflakes start saying that they are offended, as they do not cuddle up to camels, that the rest of the people want to join in and make it into a racial slur.
It's not offensive, so grow up is what I'd say to him. Probably what someone should have said to the first person who started crying after being told that he wants to have sex with a farm animal. But no, that pansy started moaning and now we have a load of (pun intended) sheep pretending that the insult somehow hurts them. Awww bless.
It is the equivalent. They are negative stereotypes of the country in question.
It would absolutely be seen as racist if we had someone from the Middle East and people were abusing him on Twitter calling him a “camel shagger”.
There is not a single chance on this planet that there wouldn’t be the next story of “Swansea player racially abused on social media”.
There would be outrage.
I’m not offended by the sheep thing personally, but I don’t feel it’s right for me to tell Resolven he shouldn’t be. Just like I wouldn’t tell the Indian or the Saudi examples that they shouldn’t. One shouldn’t be seen as acceptable while the others aren’t, none of them should be.
Not sure how it can be argued.
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Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:00 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
But I am asking you, if it did happen would you consider that as racist? You probably would, is that fair to presume? I would for sure and pretty sure most others would.
So it doesn’t sit right with me that society accepts some racial abuse and ignores the same to others deemed as fair game. It’s this inequality that really doesn’t provide a good foundation for the subject of race to grow in a way that is perceived to be clear to all.
Nobody should be attacked for their ethnicity, be that Indian, Welsh, Saudi, Irish or Nigerian. It’s all wrong and we shouldnt be tolerating some and slamming others, it should all be treated the same.
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You think being called a sheepshagger is an attack?
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:03 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
It is the equivalent. They are negative stereotypes of the country in question.
It would absolutely be seen as racist if we had someone from the Middle East and people were abusing him on Twitter calling him a “camel shagger”.
There is not a single chance on this planet that there wouldn’t be the next story of “Swansea player racially abused on social media”.
There would be outrage.
I’m not offended by the sheep thing personally, but I don’t feel it’s right for me to tell Resolven he shouldn’t be. Just like I wouldn’t tell the Indian or the Saudi examples that they shouldn’t. One shouldn’t be seen as acceptable while the others aren’t, none of them should be.
Not sure how it can be argued.
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Yeah it probably would be seen as racist, but what I'm saying is, the people who take offence or think that they are being attacked by such a thing, are being pathetic. They need to grow up and smell the coffee. Much more important things to care about. Think about others maybe, instead of yourself and how YOUR feelings have been hurt by a couple of words. Maybe think about the people who are actually getting abused and hurt, for real. Maybe those people should ask themselves why they are trying to take the actual feelings of hurt and need for help away from the real people who need it and take "the limelight" away from the real problems we have in society. They may say that they want to raise awareness to the issues, but I think that's bollocks. They really want to raise awareness to themselves. But instead they are diluting the real meanings of racism or prejudice. Count yourselves lucky you haven't got something real to be hurt or offended by. Sheep shagger, mind. Wow. One of the most hurtful things I think I've ever heard haha.
Some people have a right to be offended. Hundreds of years of slavery and then being abused, yes. But being "abused" because your country has an above average number of a certain domesticated mammal, no.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:16 - Aug 26 by jackrmee
Yeah it probably would be seen as racist, but what I'm saying is, the people who take offence or think that they are being attacked by such a thing, are being pathetic. They need to grow up and smell the coffee. Much more important things to care about. Think about others maybe, instead of yourself and how YOUR feelings have been hurt by a couple of words. Maybe think about the people who are actually getting abused and hurt, for real. Maybe those people should ask themselves why they are trying to take the actual feelings of hurt and need for help away from the real people who need it and take "the limelight" away from the real problems we have in society. They may say that they want to raise awareness to the issues, but I think that's bollocks. They really want to raise awareness to themselves. But instead they are diluting the real meanings of racism or prejudice. Count yourselves lucky you haven't got something real to be hurt or offended by. Sheep shagger, mind. Wow. One of the most hurtful things I think I've ever heard haha.
Some people have a right to be offended. Hundreds of years of slavery and then being abused, yes. But being "abused" because your country has an above average number of a certain domesticated mammal, no.
It’s easy to say that to a white Welshman though.
But if our Asian player was upset as similar comments to him… you would have to be a pretty brave poster to say he’s being pathetic and needs to grow up and smell the coffee.
All races have had hundreds of years of slavery in their history, not sure that can be brought into any justification. There were more than a million white slaves in North Africa alone for a period of 250 years.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:10 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
Wasnt the Ki song about him eating dogs seen as racist?
I can’t imagine anyone actually thinks he goes home and tucks into a Yorkshire terrier.
So the question you have to ask if if that is racist, why isn’t a similar jibe to Welsh people seen as such?
I think it’s all pretty “off” to be honest and don’t see why people need to make reference to origin.
Hahaha! Exactly. Yeah it would be seen as racist, but should it be really? It's meant to be sung in a nice way. The intention is good. If the recipient takes it in a good way, then its good. They eat dogs over there. What's wrong with mentioning that in a song that is sung in jest and taken in jest?
I do understand that people may not need to make reference to origin, but if that was banned, they'd just use the next best insult...until people started crying on tw@tter and start taking the knee until that was banned....etc etc. Then it was against the law to speak... and we ae all communicating through predictive text programmed microchips that were injected into us in them bloody covid vaccines.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:26 - Aug 26 by jackrmee
Hahaha! Exactly. Yeah it would be seen as racist, but should it be really? It's meant to be sung in a nice way. The intention is good. If the recipient takes it in a good way, then its good. They eat dogs over there. What's wrong with mentioning that in a song that is sung in jest and taken in jest?
I do understand that people may not need to make reference to origin, but if that was banned, they'd just use the next best insult...until people started crying on tw@tter and start taking the knee until that was banned....etc etc. Then it was against the law to speak... and we ae all communicating through predictive text programmed microchips that were injected into us in them bloody covid vaccines.
That’s not for me to say, I would never abuse someone for their origin so I don’t have the dilemma of deciding what is and isn’t acceptable for me to say.
But society needs to decide that and get some consistency in what is and isn’t acceptable, at the moment it’s left up to interpretation and as a result it allows groups of people to be spoken to in a way that isn’t acceptable to others.
It should either all be acceptable, or none of it. I’d prefer none of it personally.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:24 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
It’s easy to say that to a white Welshman though.
But if our Asian player was upset as similar comments to him… you would have to be a pretty brave poster to say he’s being pathetic and needs to grow up and smell the coffee.
All races have had hundreds of years of slavery in their history, not sure that can be brought into any justification. There were more than a million white slaves in North Africa alone for a period of 250 years.
Wow mate, I'm only on about the white Welshman. That's my point. It's white welshmen who are acting like pansies and taking away from the real people who have been affected by racism. Grow up mun.
And it's not just the Welsh who get called sheepshaggers. But yeah, you've guessed it, it was a Welsh guy who actually took someone to court about it haha. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_shagger
edit: Not telling you to grow up. I was on about the white welshman.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:31 - Aug 26 by jackrmee
Wow mate, I'm only on about the white Welshman. That's my point. It's white welshmen who are acting like pansies and taking away from the real people who have been affected by racism. Grow up mun.
And it's not just the Welsh who get called sheepshaggers. But yeah, you've guessed it, it was a Welsh guy who actually took someone to court about it haha. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep_shagger
edit: Not telling you to grow up. I was on about the white welshman.
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That’s my point, it’s easy to have a go at white welshmen (not sure why we are assuming Resolven is white though?) because they are the accepted targets of such comments.
But you wouldn’t make the same comments (by your own admission) to an Indian. You said you wouldn’t call him a “curry muncher” to use your words. Presumably because you think it may be offensive.
So I’m not sure where the consistency is there with that view. You said the Ki chant wasn’t racist because they do eat dogs in Korea, but found the “curry muncher” thing a bit beyond the pale. I would assume more curry is eaten in India than dog is in Korea.
That’s what I mean by inconsistencies in this notion that some is allowed and others aren’t.
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Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:35 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
That’s my point, it’s easy to have a go at white welshmen (not sure why we are assuming Resolven is white though?) because they are the accepted targets of such comments.
But you wouldn’t make the same comments (by your own admission) to an Indian. You said you wouldn’t call him a “curry muncher” to use your words. Presumably because you think it may be offensive.
So I’m not sure where the consistency is there with that view. You said the Ki chant wasn’t racist because they do eat dogs in Korea, but found the “curry muncher” thing a bit beyond the pale. I would assume more curry is eaten in India than dog is in Korea.
That’s what I mean by inconsistencies in this notion that some is allowed and others aren’t.
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No, I'm not on about Resolven at all. None of this has been aimed at him. I'm talking about the pansies in general. Snowflakes. Whatever you want to call them.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:35 - Aug 26 by Dr_Parnassus
That’s my point, it’s easy to have a go at white welshmen (not sure why we are assuming Resolven is white though?) because they are the accepted targets of such comments.
But you wouldn’t make the same comments (by your own admission) to an Indian. You said you wouldn’t call him a “curry muncher” to use your words. Presumably because you think it may be offensive.
So I’m not sure where the consistency is there with that view. You said the Ki chant wasn’t racist because they do eat dogs in Korea, but found the “curry muncher” thing a bit beyond the pale. I would assume more curry is eaten in India than dog is in Korea.
That’s what I mean by inconsistencies in this notion that some is allowed and others aren’t.
[Post edited 26 Aug 2021 16:39]
Its all about the intent I suppose. All should be allowed. Maybe they should start cracking down on intent, instead of words, I don't know.
I still stick by the fact that if you are taking offence when someone jokingly calls you a sheep shagger, you are definitely a pansy and you need to grow up.
Swans player racially abused again on twitter on 16:44 - Aug 26 by jackrmee
No, I'm not on about Resolven at all. None of this has been aimed at him. I'm talking about the pansies in general. Snowflakes. Whatever you want to call them.
Well I don’t know anyone who is offended by being called a sheep shagger apart from Resolven so can’t comment on anyone else to know what colour they are.
But I have heard of a few Indian people years and years ago being offended at similar jibes regarding their stereotypes. I can see why and would stand up against anyone saying similar things to them. I didn’t consider them snowflakes or pansies at the time and don’t think I would today.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
I see many cases of snide but significant perjoratives about England and the Englih.# Any badness from England is highlighted and fed upon to feed narrow minded paranoia of valley people. Ive never met anyone from Swansea offended by sheepsh'gger chants;it's why blow up sheep were a relief. Swansea people are far more broadminded and urbane even and more concerned with important matters that affect the family than this utter drivel.
And no ,nobody has ever called me a sheepsh@gger to my face.,Oh I wish they had.
In fact,45 years on this lovely peninsular has seen my origins,accent and nationality not insulted in any way.
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