| Stats thread 20:01 - Sep 3 with 12966 views | 442Dale |
These sort of things are cropping up more now, some more interesting than others. This one illustrates how Stockdale’s forum views on making the right pass to get the ball into a position where we can score, is backed up by the way we’re now playing.
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| Stats thread on 14:39 - Nov 2 with 1924 views | DaleiLama |
| Stats thread on 12:42 - Nov 2 by richfoad32 |
What actually constitutes a 'chance'?
If the striker is put through but dallies on the ball and doesn't get a shot off, does this qualify?
How about a ball flashed across the box that nobody gets on the end of?
Do set pieces count?
Football seems to be getting more like US Sports in that it swamps you with statistics. I guess you can pick and choose those that are actually meaningful. |
There are at least two interest groups with "skin in the game" as they say these days, who encourage such data.
The first is Dan Altman et al, who digitise this data, then monetise it .......... then try to take over a small club they've never heard of to prove it actually works (it wouldn't be difficult to argue that RS has probably done as well as BBM did with their respective budgets and "outside help").
Then there's the tv companies who employ talking heads who, like you say, pick and choose the data points they need to prove their point.
Not saying I disagree with collating it, but a decent scout would certainly have as much if not more value than the bot version. Where I see it possibly adding value would be in unearthing unpolished gems. Bees and Newby would probably tick those boxes. |  |
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| Stats thread on 16:23 - Nov 2 with 1831 views | Shun |
| Stats thread on 14:39 - Nov 2 by DaleiLama |
There are at least two interest groups with "skin in the game" as they say these days, who encourage such data.
The first is Dan Altman et al, who digitise this data, then monetise it .......... then try to take over a small club they've never heard of to prove it actually works (it wouldn't be difficult to argue that RS has probably done as well as BBM did with their respective budgets and "outside help").
Then there's the tv companies who employ talking heads who, like you say, pick and choose the data points they need to prove their point.
Not saying I disagree with collating it, but a decent scout would certainly have as much if not more value than the bot version. Where I see it possibly adding value would be in unearthing unpolished gems. Bees and Newby would probably tick those boxes. |
I do think there’s a space for systems like this. Newby, who had just been relegated to the Conference North whilst not particularly pulling up trees for a very poor side, wouldn’t have been high on anybody’s wish-list. To then go and get picked up using data like this and make a pretty good job of life at L1/L2 level is impressive.
The problem lies in those who want to simply just use these stats and nothing else. If we look at the stats alone, for example, then Aaron Morley is one of the very best players in League Two, certainly one of the best midfielders. I’m a big fan of Morley but I wouldn’t put him anywhere near the best players in the league, and I think Kelly’s already twice the player. |  | | |
| Stats thread on 18:13 - Nov 3 with 1594 views | AtThePeake |
| Stats thread on 13:11 - Nov 2 by James1980 |
That's a really good question. Here is something I found.
A key pass is the final pass by a teammate which leads to a goal attempt that does not result in a goal. Meanwhile, chances created includes both key passes and assists, which is a touch from a teammate which leads to a goal being scored.
Here’s what you need to know about each statistic:
A key pass is a pass by a player that allows his teammate to have an attempt on goal. However, his teammate failed to score. As such, a key pass is awarded to the player, instead of an assist.
Here is the official definition by Opta:
The final pass or pass-cum-shot leading to the recipient of the ball having an attempt at goal without scoring.
Opta
This means that you will create a great goal-scoring opportunity for your teammate. However, he may fail to score a goal!
As such, you cannot be awarded an assist!
This is because an assist is only awarded if your touch leads to a goal being scored.
Instead of an assist, you will be awarded with a key pass instead.
Key passes were meant to give recognition to creative players
The main way that creative players are rated are based on their assists. The more assists a player has, he is deemed to be more creative.
However, this may not be the case!
A playmaker may be creating a lot of great opportunities for his team to score. However, his teammates just have poor finishing.
No goals are scored as a result, and so the player does not get any assists!
In this way, key passes help to provide recognition for these players. Even though his teammate does not score the goal, he is still awarded with a key pass!
In other words, key passes also help to show how creative a player is, even if his teammates do not score!
What is a chance created in football?
Chances created are a combination of a player’s key passes and assists. As such, this statistic considers all touches that a player has made to create goal-scoring opportunities for his teammates, regardless of whether a goal is scored or not.
Here is the official definition of a chance created by Opta:
Assists plus Key passes.
This means that both key passes and assists are included in this statistic. It does not matter whether your teammate scores the goal or not from your pass.
Either way, your pass will still be considered in this stat!
https://footballhandbook.com/chances-created-vs-key-passes/#What_is_a_chance_cre |
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| Stats thread on 19:18 - Nov 15 with 1077 views | boromat |
Got to see the positive in this stat but have to start converting more and making better decisions. |  |
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