| Are We Climate Misled? 21:56 - Feb 26 with 5819 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
BP, a UK company, has just signed a deal with Iraq to produce 20 Billion Barrels of Oil. This will increase CO2 emissions by the equivalent of what the total UK CO2 emissions are by 50 percent for the duration of the contract.
Then on the same day we get told the below, are we being misled?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv4m3x1ldgo
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| Are We Climate Misled? on 15:33 - Mar 12 with 666 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 19:37 - Feb 28 by Scotia |
They're not breaking the law. We've allowed them to do what they're doing on the whole.
We need intense agriculture to keep milk and eggs as cheap as they are. My view as a realistic environmentalist and in my personal life is that we need to pay more or use less. We can't have both.
To improve the sewage infrastructure will cost millions and millions.
The bodies responsible for enforcement have seen huge government cuts
We can't have it all. |
Not breaking the law....
nation.cymru/news/former-minister-rips-into-dwr-cymru-welsh-water-over-regulatory-failures/
Why do spend time defending the indefensible?
We don't need intence agriculture as much as we need to get rid of supermarkets who rip farmers off and go back to the way it used to be with local shops and very little waste. We paid a fair price for the food with no "Multi" offers, it came in paper bags so no plaxtic pollution and we didn't need food bins because we didn't waste it.
The infrastructure will cost millions, yes lets fidcuss why the water companies have been paying massive salaries and bonuses but haven't been spening on infrastructure?
Government cuts...yes that's the problem, they spend our money on things we don't need or want like HS2 and don't spend it where it's genuinely needed. It's the same with the Senedd so what is Starmers next plan, to attack welfare spending.
Right that taxes he raised, he cut the WFA so he's attacked pensioners and now he wants to attack welfare...I actually don't disagree that welfare needs looing at but I bet the scroungers get away with it but the genuinely disabled take a hit. Or am I too cynical? |  | | |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 15:38 - Mar 12 with 664 views | Flashberryjack |
"bollocks" is the correct word.
Climate change is a natural phenomenon. |  |
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| Are We Climate Misled? on 18:10 - Mar 12 with 616 views | Scotia |
It is madness. | | | |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 19:32 - Mar 12 with 567 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 18:10 - Mar 12 by Scotia |
It is madness. |
Lets have a talk about saving the world....lets put it in a remote part of Brazil and then we can destroy some protected forest to make sure we can all get there, even better we can destroy a farmers livelihood while we're at it...excellent idea.
Then there's all our aircrafts emissions too, that should smog the place up quite nicely. | | | |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 08:41 - Mar 13 with 480 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 19:32 - Mar 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Lets have a talk about saving the world....lets put it in a remote part of Brazil and then we can destroy some protected forest to make sure we can all get there, even better we can destroy a farmers livelihood while we're at it...excellent idea.
Then there's all our aircrafts emissions too, that should smog the place up quite nicely. |
50,000 attending, flying in no doubt! | |
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| Are We Climate Misled? on 09:10 - Mar 13 with 463 views | Scotia |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 15:33 - Mar 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Not breaking the law....
nation.cymru/news/former-minister-rips-into-dwr-cymru-welsh-water-over-regulatory-failures/
Why do spend time defending the indefensible?
We don't need intence agriculture as much as we need to get rid of supermarkets who rip farmers off and go back to the way it used to be with local shops and very little waste. We paid a fair price for the food with no "Multi" offers, it came in paper bags so no plaxtic pollution and we didn't need food bins because we didn't waste it.
The infrastructure will cost millions, yes lets fidcuss why the water companies have been paying massive salaries and bonuses but haven't been spening on infrastructure?
Government cuts...yes that's the problem, they spend our money on things we don't need or want like HS2 and don't spend it where it's genuinely needed. It's the same with the Senedd so what is Starmers next plan, to attack welfare spending.
Right that taxes he raised, he cut the WFA so he's attacked pensioners and now he wants to attack welfare...I actually don't disagree that welfare needs looing at but I bet the scroungers get away with it but the genuinely disabled take a hit. Or am I too cynical? |
There are times when they break the law but there are more times when they pollute within the rules. If it rains too much sewage is allowed to be discharged untreated, if storage capcity is reached it's the same. Outside of this they are prosecuted if they are caught. And that's a big if.
Farmers are allowed to spread waste over their land (within reason) this invariably ends up in rivers and the sea. The bottom line is that industrial scale farming results in industrial scale crap.
Fundamentally there are too many of us eating too much, too many fast food places and too many fat people. A McDonalds burger costs the environment far more than the 99p you can buy it with, milk should be more expensive than beer.
I'd happily do away with supermarkets, they are part of the problem. It would be far better for everyone if meat and dairy was only bought directly from farm shops. I try to do that but struggle with milk. It would be a lot more expensive but would be sustainable.
To improve the infrastructure woulds basically need every road in every town and city in the UK to be dug up and the sewage system replaced, followed by a new sewage works at the end of it. We could probably build HS2 many times for the cost. The main issue with this though is that the water companies are private, it wouldn't be the government paying for it it would be us through water bills. That's privitisation for you. | | | |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 16:08 - Mar 13 with 380 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 09:10 - Mar 13 by Scotia |
There are times when they break the law but there are more times when they pollute within the rules. If it rains too much sewage is allowed to be discharged untreated, if storage capcity is reached it's the same. Outside of this they are prosecuted if they are caught. And that's a big if.
Farmers are allowed to spread waste over their land (within reason) this invariably ends up in rivers and the sea. The bottom line is that industrial scale farming results in industrial scale crap.
Fundamentally there are too many of us eating too much, too many fast food places and too many fat people. A McDonalds burger costs the environment far more than the 99p you can buy it with, milk should be more expensive than beer.
I'd happily do away with supermarkets, they are part of the problem. It would be far better for everyone if meat and dairy was only bought directly from farm shops. I try to do that but struggle with milk. It would be a lot more expensive but would be sustainable.
To improve the infrastructure woulds basically need every road in every town and city in the UK to be dug up and the sewage system replaced, followed by a new sewage works at the end of it. We could probably build HS2 many times for the cost. The main issue with this though is that the water companies are private, it wouldn't be the government paying for it it would be us through water bills. That's privitisation for you. |
You said they don't break the law, you were wrong, I know about releasing "overspill"
Industrial farming only pollutes whn they use certain chemicals, fertilisers and insecticides. We don't have to use these things, we never had them 100 years ago and they are the problem because they knock nature out of balance. Look at all the bee species we have killed off and yet the last government allowed the bad insecticides to carry on being used.
There are too many of us but we could still manage, we waste far too much food. Supermarkets and fast food outlets throw away millions of poundsworth every month. We over produce and within 2 years we will have Frankenfood on the shelves in the UK.
What you say about infrastructure is true but that is because they haven't looked after and maintained existing infrastructure because they've taken the money and trousered it. The pay these water company CEO's are getting is silly money and then the bonuses, what are they for, millions of gallons in leakages, pollution, why do they deserve bonuses?
I use supermarkets but I hate them. They have killed off the competition and are still doing so, opening small local shops to kill off the "corner" shop model and take it all for themselves. They produce UHP food and they charge what they like whilst ripping farmers off. I'm not sure it would be a lot more expensive, a little yes but the food would be better, healthier. There's be less waste and the people would be healthier too. I think it'd save the NHS millions because a lot of todays health problems barely existed before supermarkets and UHP. | | | |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 06:37 - Mar 14 with 302 views | Scotia |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 16:08 - Mar 13 by SullutaCreturned |
You said they don't break the law, you were wrong, I know about releasing "overspill"
Industrial farming only pollutes whn they use certain chemicals, fertilisers and insecticides. We don't have to use these things, we never had them 100 years ago and they are the problem because they knock nature out of balance. Look at all the bee species we have killed off and yet the last government allowed the bad insecticides to carry on being used.
There are too many of us but we could still manage, we waste far too much food. Supermarkets and fast food outlets throw away millions of poundsworth every month. We over produce and within 2 years we will have Frankenfood on the shelves in the UK.
What you say about infrastructure is true but that is because they haven't looked after and maintained existing infrastructure because they've taken the money and trousered it. The pay these water company CEO's are getting is silly money and then the bonuses, what are they for, millions of gallons in leakages, pollution, why do they deserve bonuses?
I use supermarkets but I hate them. They have killed off the competition and are still doing so, opening small local shops to kill off the "corner" shop model and take it all for themselves. They produce UHP food and they charge what they like whilst ripping farmers off. I'm not sure it would be a lot more expensive, a little yes but the food would be better, healthier. There's be less waste and the people would be healthier too. I think it'd save the NHS millions because a lot of todays health problems barely existed before supermarkets and UHP. |
I said they don't break the law " on the whole" because most pollution is legal through CSO overspill and forward passed flow. Outside of this they are and are fined but it's cheaper than improving infrastructure.
The biggest farming source of pollution is what comes out of the animal. More animals more crap but cheaper to produce food. It mostly ends up in the water and air.
With you all the way on the water companies, disgusting salaries are paid to failing CEO's. Water is the one company that should never have been privatised. | | | |
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| Are We Climate Misled? on 16:35 - Mar 14 with 212 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Are We Climate Misled? on 06:37 - Mar 14 by Scotia |
I said they don't break the law " on the whole" because most pollution is legal through CSO overspill and forward passed flow. Outside of this they are and are fined but it's cheaper than improving infrastructure.
The biggest farming source of pollution is what comes out of the animal. More animals more crap but cheaper to produce food. It mostly ends up in the water and air.
With you all the way on the water companies, disgusting salaries are paid to failing CEO's. Water is the one company that should never have been privatised. |
No, you said "They don't break the law" then in aother sentence you said we let them do it on the whole. But they do break the law and we don't let them do it but the regulators are poor, well rubbish really and that's why there is so much fuss.
Most pollution isn't legal, not from what I've read. heck just google the question and the answer is "most pollution is illegal" so tell me, if it is legal why have the water compnaies been lying about how much they discharge?
manchester.ac.uk/about/news/water-industry-using-deception-tactics/#:~:text=The%20research%20-%20by%20environmental%20experts,major%20water%20and%20sewage%20companies.
Which begs the question, are you misled. I'll go with misled. Or do you dispute Manchester Uni's rsearch?Because there is also this,
theguardian.com/environment/2024/apr/20/dirty-secret-insiders-say-uk-water-firms-knowingly-breaking-sewage-laws
theguardian.com/environment/2024/oct/13/top-rated-uk-water-firms-dumped-1374-spills-into-rivers
nature.com/articles/s44221-024-00370-y
hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2025-02-06/debates/92E18FE2-3171-47EF-BDD1-72B54BC10D94/WaterCompaniesFines
Lots of evidence for illegal dumping.
When you say more animals more crap, this drive for green, what about the highly toxic car batteries and the damage where these chemcials have been mined? The green revolution isn't as green as they tell us.
If I told you that because of the attempt to g green (100% electric fleet) a local company was actually getting less work done and it was costing more money, what would you say?
If I said that charging an e;lectric van and only adding 70 miles onto the range at a fast chrger in Neath cost £17.99 would you say that was financial efficiency? Specially when the van won't actually deliver 70 miles and that much petrol in my car will give close on 200 miles..
We are being lied to and it's costing us a lot of money and it's all a massive waste, even more so now Trump has changed the good ship USA's course. [Post edited 14 Mar 19:06]
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