| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? 19:50 - Mar 14 with 3883 views | trampie |
This Labour government are right wing Tories, the main opposition the Conservatives are right wing Tories, Reform are off the chart out on the right wing .
Corbyn had some good policies, now we have a massive cost of living crisis, the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer, the nhs in crisis, our infrastructure is poor, our services are falling apart, right wing policies are not working. |  |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 21:30 - Mar 15 with 1067 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 11:14 - Mar 15 by trampie |
The elites did a number on him, incidentally many left wing Jewish people supported him they knew a number was being done on him and them by the right wing including by right wing Jewish people within the Labour Party. |
"Many" you say, well I remember a few supporting him but they were lining up around the block to condemn him.
When you say the elites did a job, there was stuff all over the internet about him, some of it clearly false but plenty that was true and he did himself no favours with what sounded like support for Hamas AND the IRA. His meetings with the IRA wound people up. He denied meeting them but Diane Abbott said something a tad different.
Remember, Trampie, we all believe what we want to believe and you should be quite used to being in the minority about Corbyn. |  | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 22:25 - Mar 15 with 1036 views | Scotia |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 11:14 - Mar 15 by trampie |
The elites did a number on him, incidentally many left wing Jewish people supported him they knew a number was being done on him and them by the right wing including by right wing Jewish people within the Labour Party. |
He put himself up as a leader of a major political party in a general election. He was trounced
Nobody did a number on him, he was just crap. | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 01:56 - Mar 16 with 994 views | Robbie |
Corbyn was the ultimate loony leftie , never ever a voting choice for the Electorate .
Scrap Trident was an aim of his if he got the keys to No.10 , current climate I think not .
Think the UK got off ok with his demise and backbencher political ideas still shouting utter nonsense .
File alongside Blair alongside as another appeaser , WMD were never found were they . | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 08:59 - Mar 16 with 934 views | Dr_Winston |
I'm also entertained by the idea that the lifelong politician from a wealthy family who has never done a day's actual work in his life is somehow not "elite" himself. |  |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:06 - Mar 16 with 924 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 08:59 - Mar 16 by Dr_Winston |
I'm also entertained by the idea that the lifelong politician from a wealthy family who has never done a day's actual work in his life is somehow not "elite" himself. |
Absolutely but he wanted to take money off the top earners via taxation and redistribute it, that is why they did a number on him, he would have hit them in their pockets. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:11 - Mar 16 with 905 views | trampie |
On a personal level I would not vote for an English centric person, a career politician, an elite, a unionist etc but his policies would have been better for the UK than the alternatives, now the divide between rich and poor has got bigger and bigger and I can't see it been closed without a revolution as the rich will use all their means (properganda being a favoured tool) to stay rich and keep the poor poor. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 20:34 - Mar 16 with 810 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:06 - Mar 16 by trampie |
Absolutely but he wanted to take money off the top earners via taxation and redistribute it, that is why they did a number on him, he would have hit them in their pockets. |
As soon as he won and started hitting the wealthy harder they'd have moved their wealth out of the UK. Look at what happened in France.
It seems that even when there's plenty of very recent evidence that an idea is silly, some people never learn.
If we want the rich to pay more, direct taxation isn't the way. We need to pout more tax on luxury items, raise VED on premium cars, lower their pension relief. There's plenty of ways that won't drive them out of the UK then it;s up to them where they spend their money but there's more income for the exchequer. | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 23:40 - Mar 16 with 765 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 01:56 - Mar 16 by Robbie |
Corbyn was the ultimate loony leftie , never ever a voting choice for the Electorate .
Scrap Trident was an aim of his if he got the keys to No.10 , current climate I think not .
Think the UK got off ok with his demise and backbencher political ideas still shouting utter nonsense .
File alongside Blair alongside as another appeaser , WMD were never found were they . |
Well Trident, costs billions but no uk leader will ever fire it thankfully.
Added kick now is that Trump can pressure us simply by withholding parts etc.
Having American nukes is a problem until Trump fecks off.
We cant trust the orange PoS…. |  |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 21:26 - Mar 17 with 661 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 23:40 - Mar 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Well Trident, costs billions but no uk leader will ever fire it thankfully.
Added kick now is that Trump can pressure us simply by withholding parts etc.
Having American nukes is a problem until Trump fecks off.
We cant trust the orange PoS…. |
I'd agree to scrapping Trident. Russia or whoever couldn't nuke us without NATO stepping in. Better to spend the money on conventional means, well some of it. There's plenty of stuff across the Uk that could use those billions. | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:32 - Mar 18 with 595 views | Vincent_Vega |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 23:40 - Mar 16 by Kilkennyjack |
Well Trident, costs billions but no uk leader will ever fire it thankfully.
Added kick now is that Trump can pressure us simply by withholding parts etc.
Having American nukes is a problem until Trump fecks off.
We cant trust the orange PoS…. |
The point isn't to fire, the point is not to be fired upon. I advise you and anyone screaming to scrap Trident to Google 'Seven days to the Rhine' in short it was a plan for the Warsaw Pact to conquer Europe with a mixture of tactical nukes and 'blitzkrieg' style tactics. While the plan was ambitious/suicidal at best it relied on NATO's article 5 being a bluff. Its also in the plan to not strike France or the UK with nukes of any kind now why do you think that was?
I'm no fan of Nuclear weapons, I'd love them to disappear forever but that's like saying I'd like all the worlds illnesses to be cured. Its not going to happen. |  |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:47 - Mar 18 with 578 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:32 - Mar 18 by Vincent_Vega |
The point isn't to fire, the point is not to be fired upon. I advise you and anyone screaming to scrap Trident to Google 'Seven days to the Rhine' in short it was a plan for the Warsaw Pact to conquer Europe with a mixture of tactical nukes and 'blitzkrieg' style tactics. While the plan was ambitious/suicidal at best it relied on NATO's article 5 being a bluff. Its also in the plan to not strike France or the UK with nukes of any kind now why do you think that was?
I'm no fan of Nuclear weapons, I'd love them to disappear forever but that's like saying I'd like all the worlds illnesses to be cured. Its not going to happen. |
The worry is we are reliant on the Yanks for our nuclear deterant, hardware, software probably even need their permission, if we are to truly have our own nuclear capability then we need our own bona fide capability and we need our nukes pointing at major American cities as they can't be trusted by us (and shouldn't be trusted by us).
I remember in the cold War and apparently it came from a top Yank general that the Warsaw pact would reach the channel ports in days and at that point the Yanks would nuclear bomb Britain to stop the Russians using Britain as an airbase/lanchpad for missiles to attack America, at the time their missiles could not reach mainland America (or all parts) from the Eastern block but could from Britain (something like that anyway).
The Yanks are no friends of ours, they were a combined half a decade late entering both World wars, no doubt in the second one they figured if the British Empire fell then they were next, they look after their own interests, I'm all for our weapons pointing at the United States (particularly at this point in time) as well as other countries that might be a problem for us. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:00 - Mar 18 with 543 views | Dr_Winston |
Ukraine had access to a nuclear deterrent once. It gave it up after guarantees of protection were made.
A decision that they're now no doubt regretting. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:03 - Mar 18 with 539 views | onehunglow |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:00 - Mar 18 by Dr_Winston |
Ukraine had access to a nuclear deterrent once. It gave it up after guarantees of protection were made.
A decision that they're now no doubt regretting. |
And that is why Ukraine is not got blame in this | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:12 - Mar 18 with 536 views | controversial_jack |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:00 - Mar 18 by Dr_Winston |
Ukraine had access to a nuclear deterrent once. It gave it up after guarantees of protection were made.
A decision that they're now no doubt regretting. |
No they didn't. They didn't have control of them . they were on their land but Moscow had control over them. | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:47 - Mar 18 with 520 views | Vincent_Vega |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:47 - Mar 18 by trampie |
The worry is we are reliant on the Yanks for our nuclear deterant, hardware, software probably even need their permission, if we are to truly have our own nuclear capability then we need our own bona fide capability and we need our nukes pointing at major American cities as they can't be trusted by us (and shouldn't be trusted by us).
I remember in the cold War and apparently it came from a top Yank general that the Warsaw pact would reach the channel ports in days and at that point the Yanks would nuclear bomb Britain to stop the Russians using Britain as an airbase/lanchpad for missiles to attack America, at the time their missiles could not reach mainland America (or all parts) from the Eastern block but could from Britain (something like that anyway).
The Yanks are no friends of ours, they were a combined half a decade late entering both World wars, no doubt in the second one they figured if the British Empire fell then they were next, they look after their own interests, I'm all for our weapons pointing at the United States (particularly at this point in time) as well as other countries that might be a problem for us. |
Seven days to the Rhine would never of worked no matter how lightening their warfare was. You cant traverse that distance with that large a front against a Europe in 7 days, it would be a stretch with modern forces. Also troops would be charging across irradiated land with little to no protection.
The Americans are indeed out for themselves as any country is but I'd rather have them focus on our shared enemies than on us and I certainly wouldn't point our weapons at them. That would be suicidal. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 12:28 - Mar 18 with 483 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:47 - Mar 18 by Vincent_Vega |
Seven days to the Rhine would never of worked no matter how lightening their warfare was. You cant traverse that distance with that large a front against a Europe in 7 days, it would be a stretch with modern forces. Also troops would be charging across irradiated land with little to no protection.
The Americans are indeed out for themselves as any country is but I'd rather have them focus on our shared enemies than on us and I certainly wouldn't point our weapons at them. That would be suicidal. |
Never heard of 7 days to the Rhine, in my minds eye (we are talking 40 to 50 years ago) it was at best from our point of view for us to keep them down to 5 days before they reached the channel ports from East Germany, some said they would have steam rolled across flat Western Europe in 3 days, we would not have been able to stop them, we knew it, they knew it, they had the numbers, tanks, artillery, infantry and hardware at that time.
The Yanks would have nuclear bombed us to try and save themselves and that was said to have come from one of their top dogs at the time. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 12:42 - Mar 18 with 474 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 09:32 - Mar 18 by Vincent_Vega |
The point isn't to fire, the point is not to be fired upon. I advise you and anyone screaming to scrap Trident to Google 'Seven days to the Rhine' in short it was a plan for the Warsaw Pact to conquer Europe with a mixture of tactical nukes and 'blitzkrieg' style tactics. While the plan was ambitious/suicidal at best it relied on NATO's article 5 being a bluff. Its also in the plan to not strike France or the UK with nukes of any kind now why do you think that was?
I'm no fan of Nuclear weapons, I'd love them to disappear forever but that's like saying I'd like all the worlds illnesses to be cured. Its not going to happen. |
But they know the uk would not fire.
Its a theoretical deterant, not a real one.
Rather spend it on our conventional forces like Cat said.
NATO should have it and thats a cheaper and more realistic approach. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 13:13 - Mar 18 with 446 views | controversial_jack |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 12:42 - Mar 18 by Kilkennyjack |
But they know the uk would not fire.
Its a theoretical deterant, not a real one.
Rather spend it on our conventional forces like Cat said.
NATO should have it and thats a cheaper and more realistic approach. |
NATO , has already been psychologically defeated. Everything we have sent has been countered by the Russians. NATO training has been inadequate for this kind of conflict and there is no air defence capable of countering Russian missiles. | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 13:25 - Mar 18 with 444 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 12:28 - Mar 18 by trampie |
Never heard of 7 days to the Rhine, in my minds eye (we are talking 40 to 50 years ago) it was at best from our point of view for us to keep them down to 5 days before they reached the channel ports from East Germany, some said they would have steam rolled across flat Western Europe in 3 days, we would not have been able to stop them, we knew it, they knew it, they had the numbers, tanks, artillery, infantry and hardware at that time.
The Yanks would have nuclear bombed us to try and save themselves and that was said to have come from one of their top dogs at the time. |
Just checked out 7 days to the Rhine and it was not put out there until 2005, there was me thinking back to the 1980s when the cold War was raging so to speak.
If there was any truth in it it seems it was a war gaming response in the event of America and the West nuclear bombing Poland and Czechoslovakia (killing 2 million Poles), it would have slowed down Warsaw Pact reinforcements getting to East Germany (effectively the border).
The Soviets feared we would attack first, they figured the Yanks to be heathens the only country on earth to use nuclear weapons and they did it on civilians, women and children (Japan ww2), so they thought the West was more than capable of nuclear bombing them, the West was just as scared of the Soviets and we calculated if they attacked first they would have reached the channel ports in days (not a week).
The Soviet Union as it was back then is not to be confused with Russia as now, the Soviet Union was an Empire and was huge and had much more resources and numbers than NATO had then, we would not have beaten them in a conventional war at that time, there is now no Soviet Union. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 13:33 - Mar 18 with 427 views | Vincent_Vega |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 12:42 - Mar 18 by Kilkennyjack |
But they know the uk would not fire.
Its a theoretical deterant, not a real one.
Rather spend it on our conventional forces like Cat said.
NATO should have it and thats a cheaper and more realistic approach. |
You don't know what's in those letters of last resort and more importantly neither does the enemy, I don't like them but the main reason why the cold war didn't warm up was nukes admittedly we came close once or twice but WW3 has been avoided due to the fact it would eventually lead to mutually assured destruction. While NATO holding the button is a thought which general/field marshal in NATO would be tasked with holding onto the button? The main reason the French have their own 'force de dissuasion' is they want to have 100% control of such a devastating system.
If we gave up trident tomorrow, invested in better armed forces procurement that would leave the European continent with one nuclear armed nation, that makes Europe a much easier target for whoever wants to relive past glories of conquest. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 13:48 - Mar 18 with 416 views | Vincent_Vega |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 12:28 - Mar 18 by trampie |
Never heard of 7 days to the Rhine, in my minds eye (we are talking 40 to 50 years ago) it was at best from our point of view for us to keep them down to 5 days before they reached the channel ports from East Germany, some said they would have steam rolled across flat Western Europe in 3 days, we would not have been able to stop them, we knew it, they knew it, they had the numbers, tanks, artillery, infantry and hardware at that time.
The Yanks would have nuclear bombed us to try and save themselves and that was said to have come from one of their top dogs at the time. |
Genuinely give it a google, there's a YouTube video by that historian Simon Whistler explains how it was declassified by the Poles in 2005 and how it would have played out in the soviets mind. Like I said an operation like that would need masses of men, equipment, planning and fortune and that's before you consider that the US had thousands upon thousands of troops in Germany stationed for such an act.
It would not surprise me that a US general would say something along those line to save their own skin, from the Royal Navy sinking the French fleet after the fall of France to the Carthaginian scuttling of their fleet to avoid them falling into Roman hands its a known stance of nations to destroy their own assets or that of their allies for self preservation | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 15:46 - Mar 18 with 373 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 13:48 - Mar 18 by Vincent_Vega |
Genuinely give it a google, there's a YouTube video by that historian Simon Whistler explains how it was declassified by the Poles in 2005 and how it would have played out in the soviets mind. Like I said an operation like that would need masses of men, equipment, planning and fortune and that's before you consider that the US had thousands upon thousands of troops in Germany stationed for such an act.
It would not surprise me that a US general would say something along those line to save their own skin, from the Royal Navy sinking the French fleet after the fall of France to the Carthaginian scuttling of their fleet to avoid them falling into Roman hands its a known stance of nations to destroy their own assets or that of their allies for self preservation |
That is the West attacking the Soviets and their responce, but the other way about if they had attacked us we could not have stopped them and they would have reached the channel ports in a blink of an eye, I have just checked the closet part of East Germany as was to Calais is a bare 400 miles, no Alps in the way, the Red Army would have rumbled across in no time if they had chosen too.
They were an Empire with more men, tanks and arms than us at that time, it would have been a mismatch if they attacked but they never did attack us.
Like I say Yanks no friends of ours and they should not be trusted, we need to have our guns trained on them at this present time, their all powerful President is not very clever and is a danger to us and the World (he is already threatening Canada, Mexico, Panama, Greenland) as they would not think twice about attacking us if they thought it suited them . | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 16:18 - Mar 18 with 357 views | Vincent_Vega |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 15:46 - Mar 18 by trampie |
That is the West attacking the Soviets and their responce, but the other way about if they had attacked us we could not have stopped them and they would have reached the channel ports in a blink of an eye, I have just checked the closet part of East Germany as was to Calais is a bare 400 miles, no Alps in the way, the Red Army would have rumbled across in no time if they had chosen too.
They were an Empire with more men, tanks and arms than us at that time, it would have been a mismatch if they attacked but they never did attack us.
Like I say Yanks no friends of ours and they should not be trusted, we need to have our guns trained on them at this present time, their all powerful President is not very clever and is a danger to us and the World (he is already threatening Canada, Mexico, Panama, Greenland) as they would not think twice about attacking us if they thought it suited them . |
hmmm not sure, take the T64 tank. Max speed around 30mph depending on conditions. Even unopposed you're looking at 8 hours flat out to get to the Rhine, 13 to Calais and then it would need refueling. They'd potentially would have conquered Europe if nukes were off the table but not in a 'blink of an eye'
I do repeat pointing our weapons at the United States is delusional madness, whether you like them or not they're no1 and been proven to be so over the last 90 or so years. You can argue their shortcomings on the Iraq wars, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc. but when it boils down to the brass tax of it anyone who takes on the US military will be obliterated regardless of whos president. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 16:57 - Mar 18 with 315 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 16:18 - Mar 18 by Vincent_Vega |
hmmm not sure, take the T64 tank. Max speed around 30mph depending on conditions. Even unopposed you're looking at 8 hours flat out to get to the Rhine, 13 to Calais and then it would need refueling. They'd potentially would have conquered Europe if nukes were off the table but not in a 'blink of an eye'
I do repeat pointing our weapons at the United States is delusional madness, whether you like them or not they're no1 and been proven to be so over the last 90 or so years. You can argue their shortcomings on the Iraq wars, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc. but when it boils down to the brass tax of it anyone who takes on the US military will be obliterated regardless of whos president. |
90 years is pushing it a bit as the Yanks were very weak at the start of the second World War, just seen an article saying Portugal had a bigger army and I wouldnt necessarily say they were stronger than the Soviet Union when that was in existence, although that has been gone for quite sometime now.
The Yank military have never really been very good fighters and as you point out in recent decades they didn't do very well out in Afghan or Vietnam but there again away from home against a motivated dug in home team its never easy.
What America has got is weight of numbers, lots of hardware and the bomb, but they will have to think twice about threatening a fore that also has the bomb, if we are to keep the bomb in decades to come imo we need to be independent of any other power for it to be a deterant for all comers. [Post edited 18 Mar 17:05]
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 17:14 - Mar 18 with 274 views | controversial_jack |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 16:18 - Mar 18 by Vincent_Vega |
hmmm not sure, take the T64 tank. Max speed around 30mph depending on conditions. Even unopposed you're looking at 8 hours flat out to get to the Rhine, 13 to Calais and then it would need refueling. They'd potentially would have conquered Europe if nukes were off the table but not in a 'blink of an eye'
I do repeat pointing our weapons at the United States is delusional madness, whether you like them or not they're no1 and been proven to be so over the last 90 or so years. You can argue their shortcomings on the Iraq wars, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc. but when it boils down to the brass tax of it anyone who takes on the US military will be obliterated regardless of whos president. |
Not at all. The US have no defences against Russian missiles. They wouldn't have to aim them at the US mainland, just their various bases dotted around the world. Carriers would be vulnerable too - no carriers, no aircraft
As for NATO troops,and armoured vehicles they wouldn't be able to move for drones shooting them up. Russia probably has the world's strongest military right now.They have the equipment, technical knowhow, and experience - they are actually doing it. NATO or the US has no idea how to fight a war like this in the Ukraine.
Russia, has just caught 30 NATO officers, inc, British French and US personnel. Polish mercenaries in the Kursk area were the first to run away. This is a horrendous conflict for troops and Trump knows this. Someone should tell Starmer and Macron | | | |
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