| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? 19:50 - Mar 14 with 3874 views | trampie |
This Labour government are right wing Tories, the main opposition the Conservatives are right wing Tories, Reform are off the chart out on the right wing .
Corbyn had some good policies, now we have a massive cost of living crisis, the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer, the nhs in crisis, our infrastructure is poor, our services are falling apart, right wing policies are not working. |  |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 17:22 - Mar 18 with 623 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 16:57 - Mar 18 by trampie |
90 years is pushing it a bit as the Yanks were very weak at the start of the second World War, just seen an article saying Portugal had a bigger army and I wouldnt necessarily say they were stronger than the Soviet Union when that was in existence, although that has been gone for quite sometime now.
The Yank military have never really been very good fighters and as you point out in recent decades they didn't do very well out in Afghan or Vietnam but there again away from home against a motivated dug in home team its never easy.
What America has got is weight of numbers, lots of hardware and the bomb, but they will have to think twice about threatening a fore that also has the bomb, if we are to keep the bomb in decades to come imo we need to be independent of any other power for it to be a deterant for all comers. [Post edited 18 Mar 17:05]
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The USa have never been good fighters? That is a blatant insult to all the good people who risked their lives (and gave their lives) in WW2.
At the end of the war there were around 1.6 million GI's in Europe. What they were at the start is irrelevant.
I'd rather a reformed NATO (Call it a European defence organisation) had the bomb and Europe depended only on itself.
OS, wghat you claim to have seen about Portugal is VERY wrong, Portugal's military was approx 34k strong in 1939, the USA...174k |  | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 18:45 - Mar 18 with 573 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 17:22 - Mar 18 by SullutaCreturned |
The USa have never been good fighters? That is a blatant insult to all the good people who risked their lives (and gave their lives) in WW2.
At the end of the war there were around 1.6 million GI's in Europe. What they were at the start is irrelevant.
I'd rather a reformed NATO (Call it a European defence organisation) had the bomb and Europe depended only on itself.
OS, wghat you claim to have seen about Portugal is VERY wrong, Portugal's military was approx 34k strong in 1939, the USA...174k |
Some armies are better than others at various points in time, no slight on any individual .
I always thought that the US only had the 6th biggest army at the start of the war, so I went to check in case that was the first world war i had in the back of my mind and then i seen the Portugal thing, I find it hard to believe as well, but nevertheless the point stands that the Yanks relatively speaking weren't very strong at the start of the second World War, they ended the war as a superpower but that was not the case at the start.
What always interests me is the theory that not only did Churchill know about Pearl Harbour but he told Eisenhour and the attack was allowed to take place to get America into the war, we desperately needed as much help as we could get otherwise we might have lost and if we fell America might have been next as Hitler might have turned his attention on them as well as Japan, Eisenhour apparently was on the case but could not persuade their Parliament (whatever its called), so the theory is for the long term good of Britain and America it had to happen, it was very convient that half the America fleet (or whatever it was) was at sea, fancy that. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 18:59 - Mar 18 with 554 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 18:45 - Mar 18 by trampie |
Some armies are better than others at various points in time, no slight on any individual .
I always thought that the US only had the 6th biggest army at the start of the war, so I went to check in case that was the first world war i had in the back of my mind and then i seen the Portugal thing, I find it hard to believe as well, but nevertheless the point stands that the Yanks relatively speaking weren't very strong at the start of the second World War, they ended the war as a superpower but that was not the case at the start.
What always interests me is the theory that not only did Churchill know about Pearl Harbour but he told Eisenhour and the attack was allowed to take place to get America into the war, we desperately needed as much help as we could get otherwise we might have lost and if we fell America might have been next as Hitler might have turned his attention on them as well as Japan, Eisenhour apparently was on the case but could not persuade their Parliament (whatever its called), so the theory is for the long term good of Britain and America it had to happen, it was very convient that half the America fleet (or whatever it was) was at sea, fancy that. |
So many holes, to start with the Japanese had strict radio silence so how Churchill was to know about it when the Americans didn't have a clue. Churchill was said to be genuinely surprised when he found out, surprised but elated because yes, he wanted the Americans in the war.
Why would he tell Eisenhower? There is no way a US General like Ike would have let the attack go ahead unchallenged.
The biggest hole is the US fleet being at sea. It wasn't half the fleet at all but it did include the 5 aircraft carriers, I doubt the Americans thought it very handy when the pride of their fleet was being sunk at anchor. The Japanese sank 4 battleships and damahed 15 other ships, they killed over 2,400 and if those battleships had been there they would probably all have been sunk too.
Eisenhower was a general, if he'd known he would have told the President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and then it would have been his decision and he would have told the Senate.
Also, it's interesting that you claim knowledge about top secret USA business but don't even know what their upper chamber is called nor be bothered to look andspell Eisenhower wrong, twice.
You don't like the Americans, we know, this seems deliberately rude and provocative. | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:07 - Mar 18 with 545 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 18:59 - Mar 18 by SullutaCreturned |
So many holes, to start with the Japanese had strict radio silence so how Churchill was to know about it when the Americans didn't have a clue. Churchill was said to be genuinely surprised when he found out, surprised but elated because yes, he wanted the Americans in the war.
Why would he tell Eisenhower? There is no way a US General like Ike would have let the attack go ahead unchallenged.
The biggest hole is the US fleet being at sea. It wasn't half the fleet at all but it did include the 5 aircraft carriers, I doubt the Americans thought it very handy when the pride of their fleet was being sunk at anchor. The Japanese sank 4 battleships and damahed 15 other ships, they killed over 2,400 and if those battleships had been there they would probably all have been sunk too.
Eisenhower was a general, if he'd known he would have told the President, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and then it would have been his decision and he would have told the Senate.
Also, it's interesting that you claim knowledge about top secret USA business but don't even know what their upper chamber is called nor be bothered to look andspell Eisenhower wrong, twice.
You don't like the Americans, we know, this seems deliberately rude and provocative. |
Oh my mistake it was Roosevelt then, whoever the Yank president was at the time.
The British had an empire the sun never set on, the British had spies everywhere, Britain was the superpower going into the war not America, its plausible we knew. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:17 - Mar 18 with 532 views | trampie |
Just reading about what great friends Churchill and Roosevelt were and the radio speech Roosevelt gave saying basically if GB go down that America might be next and to gives us as much arms as they could as we were effectively protecting them by keeping Germany at bay. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:26 - Mar 18 with 520 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:07 - Mar 18 by trampie |
Oh my mistake it was Roosevelt then, whoever the Yank president was at the time.
The British had an empire the sun never set on, the British had spies everywhere, Britain was the superpower going into the war not America, its plausible we knew. |
Plausible, why? Don't tell me the Germans knew about D Day? The Russians knew about Barbarossa? That's just as plausible.
Actually anybody outside the Japanese high command knowing about the attack wasn't very likely, they didn't even tell the ships crews what they were doing til they were at sea and using semaphore to communicate so no radio transmissions could be heard.
The fly in my ointemt is the 83 intercepted messages from Admiral Yamamoto which the Americans seem to have believed was a bluff or training exercise. It's plaisible the Ameicans knew but hardly likely the British knew.
You clearly want to denigrate the Americans though.
Where I agree with one of your other posts is we cannot trust the USA while Trump is POTUS and after him, who knows. | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:34 - Mar 18 with 509 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:26 - Mar 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Plausible, why? Don't tell me the Germans knew about D Day? The Russians knew about Barbarossa? That's just as plausible.
Actually anybody outside the Japanese high command knowing about the attack wasn't very likely, they didn't even tell the ships crews what they were doing til they were at sea and using semaphore to communicate so no radio transmissions could be heard.
The fly in my ointemt is the 83 intercepted messages from Admiral Yamamoto which the Americans seem to have believed was a bluff or training exercise. It's plaisible the Ameicans knew but hardly likely the British knew.
You clearly want to denigrate the Americans though.
Where I agree with one of your other posts is we cannot trust the USA while Trump is POTUS and after him, who knows. |
Its a widely held theory that we knew, it was before i was born but some people think its possible hence the story doesnt go away, as regards America i'm just calling a spade a spade, I just don't think the Yanks are up to much that's all, they are a little bit like the English in sport overhyped. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:40 - Mar 18 with 501 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:34 - Mar 18 by trampie |
Its a widely held theory that we knew, it was before i was born but some people think its possible hence the story doesnt go away, as regards America i'm just calling a spade a spade, I just don't think the Yanks are up to much that's all, they are a little bit like the English in sport overhyped. |
It's not a widely held theory, have you heard of the "Hewitt inquiry"? And then there's this...
gchq.gov.uk/information/did-signals-intelligence-predict-attack-pearl-harbor#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20enduring%20myths,war%20on%20the%20Allied%20side.
You need to copy and paste sorry. It's a myth though. Declassified documents prove it to be a myth. | | | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:53 - Mar 18 with 481 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:40 - Mar 18 by SullutaCreturned |
It's not a widely held theory, have you heard of the "Hewitt inquiry"? And then there's this...
gchq.gov.uk/information/did-signals-intelligence-predict-attack-pearl-harbor#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20enduring%20myths,war%20on%20the%20Allied%20side.
You need to copy and paste sorry. It's a myth though. Declassified documents prove it to be a myth. |
There is even a wikipedia page on it, several writers, historian, even an old Admiral have speculated people knew, if its not a well known conspiracy theory how come there are loads of articles about ?, how come I've heard of it ?, obviously it may not be true, there again it might be, but surely its got to be classed as a well known conspiracy theory ? | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 20:22 - Mar 18 with 456 views | Dr_Winston |
It's been said before, but the idea that the Russian (plus the poor North Korean sods thrown in) forces who have spent the last three years stuck in a bloody quagmire against a numerically vastly inferior force using largely second hand and dated NATO equipment are any kind of serious threat to the rest of Western Europe, never mind the US is quite amusing.
At the rate the Poles are tooling up they alone could probably finish off the job that the Ukrainians found themselves having to do. Add in Germany, France, The Scandinavians, Italy, the UK and the Baltics all using the latest kit? It'd be like Pee Wee Herman squaring off against Muhammad Ali.
As has been proven repeatedly in the last 25 years in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and elsewhere, all the Russians have is the numbers and a complete willingness to waste as many lives as they can until they can scrape out some sort of result. Technologically they're miles behind. [Post edited 18 Mar 20:25]
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 20:37 - Mar 18 with 443 views | trampie |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 20:22 - Mar 18 by Dr_Winston |
It's been said before, but the idea that the Russian (plus the poor North Korean sods thrown in) forces who have spent the last three years stuck in a bloody quagmire against a numerically vastly inferior force using largely second hand and dated NATO equipment are any kind of serious threat to the rest of Western Europe, never mind the US is quite amusing.
At the rate the Poles are tooling up they alone could probably finish off the job that the Ukrainians found themselves having to do. Add in Germany, France, The Scandinavians, Italy, the UK and the Baltics all using the latest kit? It'd be like Pee Wee Herman squaring off against Muhammad Ali.
As has been proven repeatedly in the last 25 years in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and elsewhere, all the Russians have is the numbers and a complete willingness to waste as many lives as they can until they can scrape out some sort of result. Technologically they're miles behind. [Post edited 18 Mar 20:25]
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The Ruskies have the bomb (and apparently a better missle defence for what its worth), that is why NATO are being careful how they tread. | |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 22:45 - Mar 18 with 384 views | Dr_Winston |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 10:03 - Mar 18 by onehunglow |
And that is why Ukraine is not got blame in this |
You aren't ignoring me? Excellent.
In which case, did you go to Preston? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 23:59 - Mar 18 with 340 views | controversial_jack |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 20:37 - Mar 18 by trampie |
The Ruskies have the bomb (and apparently a better missle defence for what its worth), that is why NATO are being careful how they tread. |
Russia is streets ahead of anyone else in missile technology | | | |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 16:42 - Mar 19 with 224 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Was corbyn the UK's last chance ? on 19:53 - Mar 18 by trampie |
There is even a wikipedia page on it, several writers, historian, even an old Admiral have speculated people knew, if its not a well known conspiracy theory how come there are loads of articles about ?, how come I've heard of it ?, obviously it may not be true, there again it might be, but surely its got to be classed as a well known conspiracy theory ? |
There is a massive difference between something being well known and being widely held.
I know about some of your theories because I read them on here, I know them but I don't hold them as in I don't believe.
PS, the USA didn't GIVE us anything, it was lend/lease and we only finished off paying that debt in 2006.
PS, there are wiki pages on more things than I care to count, there's one on Swansea Guildhall. | | | |
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