| Quick comment! 17:03 - Apr 12 with 11262 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Great set of results today......could n't really have gone better.
Up to 5th.......
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| Quick comment! on 09:48 - Apr 14 with 1972 views | 442Dale |
| Quick comment! on 09:15 - Apr 14 by TalkingSutty |
You're right to mention context, some of the football we've have to watch under the current manager is bordering on unwatchable. You can try to use context to explain why this keeps happening, the sort of first half performance against Spennymoor is what I'm talking about. That's not a isolated example, just when you think a corner has been turned it rears it's ugly head again..walking football, foot on the ball, defenders constantly passing it around between themselves, first instinct to pass it backwards, eventually funnel it back to the keeper, long kick from keeper straight through to the opposition keeper or out of play. That's on rinse and repeat and it's a performance that invariably turns up when it's a game with something riding on it. It lacks courage and bravery and is absolute garbage to watch and kills the atmosphere in the ground. We saw it last weekend. Context can be used to explain historical managerial performances and styles of football but it also needs to be balanced alongside the budget which was available to the manager at the time and our standing in the pyramid. This what we are seeing under McNulty isn't acceptable, when you bear in mind the level we are now playing, some of these performances are the worst I've ever seen and I blame the manager because he's working with a decent budget and has a squad of players that don't need to be throwing in performances like that. They're playing under instruction from him, they must be because as he said in his last interview he's happy with the level of performance.
Irrespective of our league position, i still think he's failed to get the best out of the players this season and that's because of the negativity in how we've been set up in games and also how we've taken a step back and tried to manage game in the second half, in particular away from home. The amount of points we've thrown away, the poor teams in this league that we've dropped points against, the games against Ebsfleet, the cup game against Bromley, Spennymoor, Wealdstone etc etc...Putting everything in context i think this season is one of missed opportunities. We should have won the FA Trophy and been finishing in the top three of the league had the manager simplified our game and been more positive like we saw on Saturday. He can still retrieve it but we know what the manager does when there's a bit of pressure on a game. He won't change and that's what worries me about next season. It's not a football experiment this, give the players their head and let them play and express themselves, we can beat anybody in this league if that's what they are allowed to do. [Post edited 14 Apr 9:41]
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The word “context” was one used by a Dale fan of many years on Saturday. The poor performances have also been noted.
There’s been an argument that we have had a bad home record for a number of years now and that we don’t score enough in games at Spotland. With the context not being ignored, that argument is no longer true. |  |
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| Quick comment! on 09:49 - Apr 14 with 1955 views | Nerazzurri |
Whilst I agree with all the frustrations listed here I can't say I find this season unacceptable. What we are seeing is a National League team performing as a decent national league team does. There has definitely been an air of looking down on the league that has appeared, especially near me in Pearl St.
In the last 12 home league games we have won:
3-0 v Tamworth
4-0 v Yeovil
4-1 v Wealdstone
3-0 v Altrincham
4-0 v Aldershot
4-0 v Eastleigh
This notion that we are no good at home & don't attack or score is just not true.
Could we be doing better, yes I also agree on that but we are where we are & I do think some fans are having trouble realising that we are National League. The abuse of our players is what I find unacceptable, when we could well finish 4th in the league.
Is Kairo Mitchell the greatest striker we've had? No. But he's going to get 20 goals & there would no doubt be a lot of other National League teams wanting a 20 goal a season striker. The abuse Ebanks-Landell received recently was also ridiculous, he is a good defender at this level & also grabs his fair share of assists.
We need stability, in the last 3 years we've basically had new squads each season. For the first time in a while now we have a lot of our players under contract for next season, I see no reason why we wouldn't improve again with 3/4 quality additions & a settled consistent squad.
And for me, any talk of getting rid of a manager that has you in a play off spot is madness. Be careful what you wish for. |  |
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| Quick comment! on 09:59 - Apr 14 with 1891 views | 442Dale |
Those who recognise that there are some poor teams in this league are different to “looking down on the league”, and it’s good that has been called out.
We are where we are because of our own failings over the years. Thinking we’re better than playing at this level should remain an attitude exclusive to those six miles down the A627m | |
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| Quick comment! on 10:09 - Apr 14 with 1816 views | James1980 |
| Quick comment! on 09:49 - Apr 14 by Nerazzurri |
Whilst I agree with all the frustrations listed here I can't say I find this season unacceptable. What we are seeing is a National League team performing as a decent national league team does. There has definitely been an air of looking down on the league that has appeared, especially near me in Pearl St.
In the last 12 home league games we have won:
3-0 v Tamworth
4-0 v Yeovil
4-1 v Wealdstone
3-0 v Altrincham
4-0 v Aldershot
4-0 v Eastleigh
This notion that we are no good at home & don't attack or score is just not true.
Could we be doing better, yes I also agree on that but we are where we are & I do think some fans are having trouble realising that we are National League. The abuse of our players is what I find unacceptable, when we could well finish 4th in the league.
Is Kairo Mitchell the greatest striker we've had? No. But he's going to get 20 goals & there would no doubt be a lot of other National League teams wanting a 20 goal a season striker. The abuse Ebanks-Landell received recently was also ridiculous, he is a good defender at this level & also grabs his fair share of assists.
We need stability, in the last 3 years we've basically had new squads each season. For the first time in a while now we have a lot of our players under contract for next season, I see no reason why we wouldn't improve again with 3/4 quality additions & a settled consistent squad.
And for me, any talk of getting rid of a manager that has you in a play off spot is madness. Be careful what you wish for. |
Said earlier me and a group of mates went to Cambridge on Saturday. As part of the day we saw the game between Cambridge and Charlton one of my mates said the game between Rochdale and Worthing was more entertaining and the standard of football was much better. | |
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| Quick comment! on 10:10 - Apr 14 with 1808 views | TalkingSutty |
| Quick comment! on 09:48 - Apr 14 by 442Dale |
The word “context” was one used by a Dale fan of many years on Saturday. The poor performances have also been noted.
There’s been an argument that we have had a bad home record for a number of years now and that we don’t score enough in games at Spotland. With the context not being ignored, that argument is no longer true. |
I wouldn't say the home record is great when you put into context the level we are playing at and the fact some of the clubs are part time and operating on smaller budgets. It puts into context our failings though when you look how we perform away from home. The home record can't disguise some of the rubbish performances that we've been served up neither, the home attendance on Saturday puts that into context. Stats can disguise a multitude of things, posession stats being the best example of that. We have scored more goals this season at home though, thats true.
The reality is that McNulty will be manager next season and will have a increased budget. I might not rate him but I don't want us to lose games in order to see him sacked. Next season i want to see those first half displays that we saw against Spennymoor confined to the dustbin, we've seen the exact set up and display numerous times and it's terrible to watch. I want him to stop making excuses for everything and for him to stop feeling sorry for himself and the players because they are playing too many games, poor pitches, referees etc. I want him to set us up to go out and outscore and entertain from the start of every match. None of that is too difficult to do surely. I will support him next season until circumstances dictate otherwise, the fans base is a good indicator of that. If McNulty succeeds then so do the club so anybody hoping for him to fail is in effect wanting their club to lose football matches, that's ridiculous. I'm not enamoured with him but a play off place will show him has having succeded and I'll give him full credit for having done that. [Post edited 14 Apr 10:33]
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| Quick comment! on 10:18 - Apr 14 with 1754 views | 442Dale |
| Quick comment! on 10:10 - Apr 14 by TalkingSutty |
I wouldn't say the home record is great when you put into context the level we are playing at and the fact some of the clubs are part time and operating on smaller budgets. It puts into context our failings though when you look how we perform away from home. The home record can't disguise some of the rubbish performances that we've been served up neither, the home attendance on Saturday puts that into context. Stats can disguise a multitude of things, posession stats being the best example of that. We have scored more goals this season at home though, thats true.
The reality is that McNulty will be manager next season and will have a increased budget. I might not rate him but I don't want us to lose games in order to see him sacked. Next season i want to see those first half displays that we saw against Spennymoor confined to the dustbin, we've seen the exact set up and display numerous times and it's terrible to watch. I want him to stop making excuses for everything and for him to stop feeling sorry for himself and the players because they are playing too many games, poor pitches, referees etc. I want him to set us up to go out and outscore and entertain from the start of every match. None of that is too difficult to do surely. I will support him next season until circumstances dictate otherwise, the fans base is a good indicator of that. If McNulty succeeds then so do the club so anybody hoping for him to fail is in effect wanting their club to lose football matches, that's ridiculous. I'm not enamoured with him but a play off place will show him has having succeded and I'll give him full credit for having done that. [Post edited 14 Apr 10:33]
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The other factors were acknowledged under the figures. Posting stats alone would have been without that context. | |
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| Quick comment! on 10:24 - Apr 14 with 1723 views | 442Dale |
| Quick comment! on 10:09 - Apr 14 by James1980 |
Said earlier me and a group of mates went to Cambridge on Saturday. As part of the day we saw the game between Cambridge and Charlton one of my mates said the game between Rochdale and Worthing was more entertaining and the standard of football was much better. |
There’s a lot of similar football being played across different divisions where fans are as frustrated as we are. It has to and will change. Only a question of when.
Sometimes it’s difficult to find small positives, but the significant change in approach on Saturday was one. Failing to recognise that after a really good win would be disingenuous.
My own frustration is that I don’t expect that change to continue but hope to be wrong. | |
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| Quick comment! on 10:34 - Apr 14 with 1675 views | TalkingSutty |
| Quick comment! on 10:24 - Apr 14 by 442Dale |
There’s a lot of similar football being played across different divisions where fans are as frustrated as we are. It has to and will change. Only a question of when.
Sometimes it’s difficult to find small positives, but the significant change in approach on Saturday was one. Failing to recognise that after a really good win would be disingenuous.
My own frustration is that I don’t expect that change to continue but hope to be wrong. |
That's exactly where i'm at. | | | |
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| Quick comment! on 16:20 - Apr 14 with 1132 views | AtThePeake |
| Quick comment! on 09:49 - Apr 14 by Nerazzurri |
Whilst I agree with all the frustrations listed here I can't say I find this season unacceptable. What we are seeing is a National League team performing as a decent national league team does. There has definitely been an air of looking down on the league that has appeared, especially near me in Pearl St.
In the last 12 home league games we have won:
3-0 v Tamworth
4-0 v Yeovil
4-1 v Wealdstone
3-0 v Altrincham
4-0 v Aldershot
4-0 v Eastleigh
This notion that we are no good at home & don't attack or score is just not true.
Could we be doing better, yes I also agree on that but we are where we are & I do think some fans are having trouble realising that we are National League. The abuse of our players is what I find unacceptable, when we could well finish 4th in the league.
Is Kairo Mitchell the greatest striker we've had? No. But he's going to get 20 goals & there would no doubt be a lot of other National League teams wanting a 20 goal a season striker. The abuse Ebanks-Landell received recently was also ridiculous, he is a good defender at this level & also grabs his fair share of assists.
We need stability, in the last 3 years we've basically had new squads each season. For the first time in a while now we have a lot of our players under contract for next season, I see no reason why we wouldn't improve again with 3/4 quality additions & a settled consistent squad.
And for me, any talk of getting rid of a manager that has you in a play off spot is madness. Be careful what you wish for. |
I agree with the majority of this post, but my issue is those crunch matches and the frustration is that in a league where you have to be either completely dominant and win the league, or show a mental rigidity to get through tough play-off fixtures, I don't see us having the right attributes to achieve either of those under Jim.
We'll go into the play-offs with a fanbase that's pretty disillusioned, a team that has little confidence of seeing out a game away from home, a manager that has a shocking record in more high-profile games and without a group of our best performing players.
If we were playing 3 home games against mid-table teams in the play-offs I'd fancy us. Given that we'll have to play an away game against a team like York or Forest Green, we might as well cede our place now. |  |
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| Quick comment! on 16:33 - Apr 14 with 1104 views | samueloneils |
By my reckoning Jim still has 21 squad members, plus 7 injured(including Bird and Waller).
How many other managers in this division will have 21 full-time pros to pick from at this stage? | | | |
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