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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 22:37 20 Dec 2025
You are doing all the running because you need to. Whereas, my side of the argument quite literally speaks for itself. What an odd back and forth this is. Agree, let’s close it up. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 22:26 20 Dec 2025
Sorry, but that’s pretty rich pickings in terms of a sign off. I’m really not the one who needs to “change my mind” here. Because this isn’t an equal setting; quite simply the data does not lie. Something you continue to, and conveniently ignore. GA across both seasons was on course to finish rock bottom in the championship, for the last 20 seasons data. You have some seriously thick skin to continue arguing to the contrary, and suggesting all this is a matter of one’s opinion. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 22:24 20 Dec 2025
The irony of your last sentence is apt. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 19:22 20 Dec 2025
Yes, you really are labouring the point.
“But I think he is a better manager than he is given credit for and he doesn't get his due for keeping us up in 2023.”.
As you’ve said several times on this thread. But there is literally no data that supports GA did a good job, or should be given credit for saving us that season, as you keep putting it.
Taken in isolation, one can spin staying up as a PR success story - one that Ainsworth spun himself, and you evidently bought.
But taken in combination over two seasons, this school of thought is shown up to be what it is. Nonsense. GA presided over relegation form, over two seasons, not one.
The second season is key, as it reveals GAs true managerial performance, as is the performance of the replacement manager Marti, who proved that squad was not relegation fodder.
Thereby, demonstrating how GA didn’t “save us”, but in fact, was the primary reason why we were in that position in the just place. Again, across BOTH seasons.
You are flogging a dead horse. But I suspect, you’ll carry on regardless. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 14:14 20 Dec 2025
This is a message board about QPR and Ainsworth came up on this thread. You are not the messageboard police and cannot determine what fans wish to write about because you don’t like it. Ainsworth was a complete disaster, and took us the the brink. The data and facts don’t lie. You’ve clearly got considerable blinkers on and can’t separate Ainsworth the player from Ainsworth the manager. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 12:08 20 Dec 2025
Since francisbowles decided to downvote my post, without response, where I stated Ainsworths total record across both seasons was “was utterly dreadful and relegation form, if not rock bottom”, I decided to look into the numbers.
Ainsworths record;
2022/23: 13 games, 11 points, 0.85 PPG.
2023/24: 14 games, 8 points, 0.57 PPG.
Combined: 27 games, 19 points, 0.70 PPG.
Projected points over 46 games:
0.70 × 46 = 32.
Which would have seen relegation in every season for the last 20 years.
And which would have seen a rock bottom 24th finish also for the last 20 years, save for 1 or 2 years.
Continues to amaze me the level of defense Ainsworth gets as a manager of QPR. He was dreadful. How we didn’t get relegated is a minor miracle, all thanks to Marti, who will be getting my support and appreciation today. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 21:35 19 Dec 2025
1. You are conflating posters.
2. Ainsworths record across both seasons was utterly dreadful and relegation form, if not rock bottom [Post edited 19 Dec 21:37]
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 19:30 19 Dec 2025
How you can confidently state Beale was a “flash in the pan” when you can’t see the future is beyond me. The fact he tailed off current form, at the time, is not an accurate predictor of future form. A win changes a lot. Who’s to say he wouldn’t have got that and refound momentum. You don’t have a crystal ball.
And worth mentioning that both Stephan and Marti had multi game losing periods but rebounded. In any case, I’m not really here to discuss Beale. It’s your assertion that Ainsworth did a good job that I find ludicrous. Probably one of the worst managers I’ve ever seen at QPR. Backed up by both the stats and the eye test as the youth would say.
Marti proved that same squad was on course for a top 8 finish over the course of the same season. That brings Ainsworths ability, with the same squad, firmly into the reality of just how bad things really were under his stewardship. We were going down to League 1, and should have done the previous season under him. He took us to the brink. Anyone who puts that first season down to a great Ainsworth escape is probably on the same PR payroll as Nourrys chief spin retainer. |
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Reply | So Cifuentes ?
at 12:55 19 Dec 2025
It’s not about who succeeded who. It’s about the squad available to the manager, any manager, and what you can achieve with that.
With Beale, the team hit the top heights during his reign. With Critchley and Ainsworth the team hit pretty much rock bottom.
With Cifuentes form was like top 8th. Same squad.
These are the facts, and give a strong indication of who is a good manager and who is not. |
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Reply | Saito slide
at 11:16 14 Dec 2025
Appears to play 1 good game in 4, and then is pretty poor for the other 3. Dates all the way back into last season so this is not something new. At 3m, I expect a lot more.
Kone is also a concern for me. Not so much his lack of goal scoring, but just his all round game. Loses the ball with alarming regularity. He needs to get it under control and find a team mate with a pass more often that not. I’m seeing the opposite and it’s been happening for some time. Also just looks heavy / slow / sluggish. |
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Reply | Kolli
at 14:49 8 Dec 2025
He was on the bench the next game though. Unused sub. |
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Reply | QPR - State of Play
at 20:19 19 Nov 2025
Tuck was subbed on 42 minutes in his last game, and hasn’t been seen since, suggesting an injury is the cause of omission? |
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Reply | Kolli
at 18:40 8 Nov 2025
Let’s see how sure you are of your expert opinion, and where you will put your money as you said.
I’ll have £500 with you that Kolli will go to a top two league in England, France, Germany, Spain or Italy post-QPR. |
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Reply | Kolli
at 10:35 8 Nov 2025
Kolli has played only 1164 minutes, which translates to only 13 games of football. With 7 goals / assists. Meaning goal contribution every other game.
Those kind of stats for a 19 year old (now 20) are up there with the best at that age.
So your “expert” opinion is only in your head. Perhaps cut the young man some slack. He’s one of our own, has been with us since 8 years old, and is an exciting young talent only just starting out.
Making repeated judgments on such a small sample size, not backed up by any kind of data - which in fact says the opposite, is pretty wild. |
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Reply | Kolli
at 18:37 6 Nov 2025
I too have spoken with him on two separate occasions before he made it into the first team. He is an extremely down to earth lad, with QPR at heart. Having watched him, and the academy for over 10+ years, he is a stand-out talent in the same talent category and potential as Eze and Chair before him.
I watched both of those in the 23s and commented on here at the time we had 2 x real talents on our hands. Rayan is 100% only the 3rd player id placed in that bracket over all this time - whereby we have another top young talent coming through. No one else in the setup before or after comes close.
99% don’t ever make it as a professional footballer in the QPR academy, let alone at championship level. Rayans ceiling is premier league, and someone above Christian Nourry and sidekick Ben Williams, must step in, and sort this ego nonsense out for the good of the club. |
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Reply | Kolli
at 23:49 5 Nov 2025
I retract what I said earlier today.
Bennie over Kolli is laughable.
Play the lad.
Ben Williams got a lot to answer for. |
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Reply | Kolli
at 10:43 5 Nov 2025
I don’t think any of this is do with anyone being out of favour.
As more and more injured players have become more available, first Kolli, and now Morgan, have been overlooked. The club is evidently favouring older players (Frey over Kolli; Hayden + Field over Morgan).
What I don’t understand is that this is directly counter to the so-called model and strategy held up in shining lights last season. |
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Reply | Young team?
at 18:45 26 Oct 2025
Selling a 25-26 for 10m+ has proven to be the exception not the norm in the championship. So banking on this kind of strategy is not only extremely high risk, but also unlikely.
Buying players for 1m and selling them for 5m - sounds good in practice. In reality you’ll be lucky to sell 4 of those in 4 consecutive seasons to bank 16m profit. That’s 4m a year profit with perfection. Again, won’t move the needle. .
The smart clubs who are truly executing the player trading model at scale, and that’s the key word, are not the ones trading a player every season in the 24-27 year age group, but executing big bang sales for truly young talents. |
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Reply | Young team?
at 18:15 26 Oct 2025
You’ve imagined something that wasn’t even written or implied.
The point is what constitutes a successful and scalable player trading model at this level - which is the stated club aim.
If you get 3-5m sales here and there, for players aged 24-27 like Les did - Smithies, Freeman, it won’t move the needle and we’ll have another 10 years of going round in circles. |
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Reply | Young team?
at 17:44 26 Oct 2025
Most of those players are aged 24 and above and have about 1 year to pull in reasonable money, after which, aged 25 and beyond values plummet. At that age the market is a 3-10m range.
Will take some going to flip those and be successful with a player trading model any time soon.
The reality is the big bucks goes to players aged 18-21, playing regularly, sold to the prem in the range of 10-25m, and that’s how you develop a successful and scalable player trading model. |
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