| Corbyn 19:56 - Jul 12 with 16880 views | exiledclaseboy |
Will be included on the ballot paper for the Labour leadership election. Which probably f*cks up Angela Eagle's entire campaign strategy, not to mention that of anyone else who was planning on throwing their hat into the ring if the hairy trot had been excluded.
Labour is f*cked. |  |
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| Corbyn on 19:21 - Jul 19 with 1274 views | skippyjack |
| Corbyn on 18:56 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony |
Breaking news.
Angela Eagle pulls out of the leadership race and puts her backing behind Owen Smith...
My god what a choice now.... |
The Labour party are in a cataclysmic denial of self implosion.. Their voters are flocking to the mental asylums like a flock of sheep.. voting for the Labour party is like voting for the Nazi's.. because that's what they're standing for.. fascist views.
Corbyn is one of the most hypocritical, dangerous politicians this country can potentially elect.
He would make us partners with some terrorist group, and give Sharia Law a green light.. then we'll see the biggest civil war this country has ever had.. If Sharia Law gets anywhere near our court of law..
This man has the potential.. but I'm sure he will never be elected. |  |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| Corbyn on 19:23 - Jul 19 with 1271 views | raynor94 |
| Corbyn on 18:56 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony |
Breaking news.
Angela Eagle pulls out of the leadership race and puts her backing behind Owen Smith...
My god what a choice now.... |
Loony left, or Owen Smith, Ooof that's a hard one....... |  |
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| Corbyn on 20:10 - Jul 19 with 1241 views | monmouth |
| Corbyn on 19:20 - Jul 19 by WarwickHunt |
Interim leader until David Miliband comes back or Dan Jarvis thinks Labour is ready to win a general election.
Sooty would be preferable to Corbyn. Probably more electable... |
Labour's new front bench
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| Corbyn on 20:14 - Jul 19 with 1231 views | Ebo |
| Corbyn on 19:21 - Jul 19 by skippyjack |
The Labour party are in a cataclysmic denial of self implosion.. Their voters are flocking to the mental asylums like a flock of sheep.. voting for the Labour party is like voting for the Nazi's.. because that's what they're standing for.. fascist views.
Corbyn is one of the most hypocritical, dangerous politicians this country can potentially elect.
He would make us partners with some terrorist group, and give Sharia Law a green light.. then we'll see the biggest civil war this country has ever had.. If Sharia Law gets anywhere near our court of law..
This man has the potential.. but I'm sure he will never be elected. |
You're f*cking mental. Please go and seek help. |  |
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| Corbyn on 20:33 - Jul 19 with 1201 views | FieryJack |
The only Welshman to hold the office of Prime Minister was Lloyd George.
Kinnock came close, but was downed by the right-wing gutter press, which continually referred to him as the "Welsh Windbag" - I wonder if, supposing Owen Smith beats Corbyn to the leadership, and he is still Labour leader come the next General Election, whether those same papers will dub him as a "Welsh Windbag" - or have times moved on?
I'm not hopeful, and am quite certain that should Smith be in any danger of winning a General Election, that same ugly, racist streak will come to the fore again. |  | | |
| Corbyn on 20:43 - Jul 19 with 1188 views | Lord_Bony |
| Corbyn on 20:33 - Jul 19 by FieryJack |
The only Welshman to hold the office of Prime Minister was Lloyd George.
Kinnock came close, but was downed by the right-wing gutter press, which continually referred to him as the "Welsh Windbag" - I wonder if, supposing Owen Smith beats Corbyn to the leadership, and he is still Labour leader come the next General Election, whether those same papers will dub him as a "Welsh Windbag" - or have times moved on?
I'm not hopeful, and am quite certain that should Smith be in any danger of winning a General Election, that same ugly, racist streak will come to the fore again. |
Poor Labour.
The future does nt look too bright for them
I'm curious are they in trouble because of their policies and leadership battles or has the politics of the UK moved on from this once great party?
Do we need a New Labour or suchlike (I mean a proper one not that Blairite monstrosity )
The country needs a strong left of centre party but they seem to be ripping themselves apart with leadership contests every couple of years... |  |
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| Corbyn on 21:22 - Jul 19 with 1155 views | FieryJack |
| Corbyn on 20:43 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony |
Poor Labour.
The future does nt look too bright for them
I'm curious are they in trouble because of their policies and leadership battles or has the politics of the UK moved on from this once great party?
Do we need a New Labour or suchlike (I mean a proper one not that Blairite monstrosity )
The country needs a strong left of centre party but they seem to be ripping themselves apart with leadership contests every couple of years... |
It would take too long to answer that question - and it's too freaking hot for me to bothered - except to say that Labour has been struggling for a while, principally because its natural constituency - the old 'working class' - no longer exists - not in sufficient numbers anyway.
The children of parents and grandparents who were natural Labour voters are now just as likely to vote Tory - especially if they're aspirational, have a reasonable job etc. - and they disdain the people they were once natural allies of - the unemployed, uneducated on the estates. (New Labour was conceived to appeal to these kind of people, amongst others.)
The first of these two groups are, like most, I suppose, motivated, when voting, by self interest, rather than any moral conviction or ideas of social justice etc. The second lot largely don't vote, or if they do, they'd probably go for an extreme right wing party.
These are pretty daft generalisations, I know, but I expect you get my drift.
Very difficult for Labour when its natural constituency has fragmented into such disparate groups. | | | |
| Corbyn on 21:29 - Jul 19 with 1146 views | Lord_Bony |
A very well thought out response and thank you.
There was an interesting article on telly the other night about the power these days of social media.
It has changed politics in this country forever.
The people in charge of the public image of Labour really need to rethink the whole thing over the next few years and come up with ways to appeal to this current Facebook,YouTube generation who are very fickle voters and have no allegiance to one main party. | |
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| Corbyn on 21:42 - Jul 19 with 1134 views | jedijack |
The problem the left has with regards to votes in a GE is that the majority of the people Corbyn is trying to help will be too busy watching Jeremy Kyle to be fúcked to go out and vote.
Sad really, I've always been a Labour supporter and voter. I was hoping Corbyn would mellow, come more into the middle ground, and start to win over the media. I felt genuinely excited for change when he was elected labour leader, now I just feel worried for the party as a whole. |  | | |
| Corbyn on 21:50 - Jul 19 with 1127 views | Lord_Bony |
Me too,I've always supported them until Blair took us into Iraq and Afghanistan and the party teamed up with the right wing American Republicans...that put me off Labour for life...in fact it put me off politics in general for many years.
Let's hope they can do something with the party or scrap it and start again,because as a democracy we definitely need them to be strong as a counterweight to the Tories having it all their own way. | |
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| Corbyn on 22:01 - Jul 19 with 1111 views | skippyjack |
| Corbyn on 21:29 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony |
A very well thought out response and thank you.
There was an interesting article on telly the other night about the power these days of social media.
It has changed politics in this country forever.
The people in charge of the public image of Labour really need to rethink the whole thing over the next few years and come up with ways to appeal to this current Facebook,YouTube generation who are very fickle voters and have no allegiance to one main party. |
It's not about that..
It's the fact that the people representing Labour are millionaires, who earn above the average salary of a UK citizen, never mind the perks it all comes with.
How can we relate to parties who earn substantially more than others..
Ebo needs to be sectioned if he seriously believes Labour are a party for the working class..
Does working class exist anymore?.. Kinnock spouts he's a socialist and working class hero.. yet he's a multimillionaire and related to royalty for f*ck sake.
I'm disillusioned by the older generation.. it's full of teeth grinders and money orientated nut jobs.. you're all a bit 'thick'.
it's an arrogance issue amongst the older populace.. 40-60 bracket.. i can't walk out the door without spotting a 40-60 year old looking like he's going to fill me in.
Superior complex disorder I call it.. This age range is all to f*ck..
I lived through the thatcher era roar!
I work everyday! roar!
I am superior to you useless youngsters roar!
I'm god in my own head roar!
I'm stressed roar!
He's not f*cling good enough roar!
The 40-60 bracket have all red foreheads, veins popping out of the sides, this face of anger and contempt, this vicious mood.. The grinding of teeth is a usual sight.. The sweat dripping down their face.. they're like a bunch of babies on times. | |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| Corbyn on 22:07 - Jul 19 with 1094 views | Lord_Bony |
Hope you're coming to the end of that stash now skipps...  | |
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| Corbyn on 22:12 - Jul 19 with 1077 views | FieryJack |
| Corbyn on 22:01 - Jul 19 by skippyjack |
It's not about that..
It's the fact that the people representing Labour are millionaires, who earn above the average salary of a UK citizen, never mind the perks it all comes with.
How can we relate to parties who earn substantially more than others..
Ebo needs to be sectioned if he seriously believes Labour are a party for the working class..
Does working class exist anymore?.. Kinnock spouts he's a socialist and working class hero.. yet he's a multimillionaire and related to royalty for f*ck sake.
I'm disillusioned by the older generation.. it's full of teeth grinders and money orientated nut jobs.. you're all a bit 'thick'.
it's an arrogance issue amongst the older populace.. 40-60 bracket.. i can't walk out the door without spotting a 40-60 year old looking like he's going to fill me in.
Superior complex disorder I call it.. This age range is all to f*ck..
I lived through the thatcher era roar!
I work everyday! roar!
I am superior to you useless youngsters roar!
I'm god in my own head roar!
I'm stressed roar!
He's not f*cling good enough roar!
The 40-60 bracket have all red foreheads, veins popping out of the sides, this face of anger and contempt, this vicious mood.. The grinding of teeth is a usual sight.. The sweat dripping down their face.. they're like a bunch of babies on times. |
Effin brilliant post! Love it. Hilarious. Your descriptions sound like the lyrics from a song by The Fall.
I think I might be one of those teeth-grinding nut-jobs, or was, but I've calmed down a bit now. Sounds pretty fackin hairy where you live with all these bald 50 yr old steroid-heads roaming the streets. Must be a south Wales thing.
Certainly, I'm in the 40-60 yr old age group, but we're not all mentallers you know. | | | |
| Corbyn on 22:35 - Jul 19 with 1054 views | Groo |
| Corbyn on 20:33 - Jul 19 by FieryJack |
The only Welshman to hold the office of Prime Minister was Lloyd George.
Kinnock came close, but was downed by the right-wing gutter press, which continually referred to him as the "Welsh Windbag" - I wonder if, supposing Owen Smith beats Corbyn to the leadership, and he is still Labour leader come the next General Election, whether those same papers will dub him as a "Welsh Windbag" - or have times moved on?
I'm not hopeful, and am quite certain that should Smith be in any danger of winning a General Election, that same ugly, racist streak will come to the fore again. |
"The only Welshman to hold the office of Prime Minister was Lloyd George. "
and he was born in Manchester :) |  |
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| Corbyn on 22:40 - Jul 19 with 1042 views | Groo |
The reason and ONLY reason Blair got into power, was he got into bed with Murdoch.
Is it a coincidence that whoever the Sun newspaper and its sisters support win the elections! | |
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| Corbyn on 22:57 - Jul 19 with 1026 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Corbyn on 20:43 - Jul 19 by Lord_Bony |
Poor Labour.
The future does nt look too bright for them
I'm curious are they in trouble because of their policies and leadership battles or has the politics of the UK moved on from this once great party?
Do we need a New Labour or suchlike (I mean a proper one not that Blairite monstrosity )
The country needs a strong left of centre party but they seem to be ripping themselves apart with leadership contests every couple of years... |
Large sections of modern society want a race to the top, not a race to the bottom. People aspire to want more, rightly or wrongly. They want to be comfortable and they want to be able to have ambitions. Labour come across as trying to hold the majority back in favour of the few, albeit unlikely to be their intention.
Times have moved on and we live in the era of globalisation. They havent caught up yet, especially where information, commmunication and opinion is freely accessible like never before. |  |
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| Corbyn on 23:12 - Jul 19 with 1019 views | pikeypaul |
Labour are now a complete joke full of career politicians in it for their own good,something
their old core support has now realised,in the past the voters stupidly thought they
were all working class together,but having seen Kinnock,Blair,etc become multi millionaires through their socialist (PMSL) views they have realised they have been taken for mugs by the conmen.
At least the Conservatives do not try to hide the fact they are in it for themselves. |  |
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| Corbyn on 23:25 - Jul 19 with 1011 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 19:23 - Jul 17 by raynor94 |
Working class? does that include the people who have no intention of working and their offspring who are treading a well worn path |
You're a steelworker aren't you? I've worked in various branches of industry over 25 years and have been unemployed for barely 12 months in 32 years. I find your statement idiotic and irrelevant. Have you tried claiming ANYTHING off the state these days?
My point to Lisa is that the very people she's backing to oppose Corbyn have little or no connection with me. They may be close in professional status to Lisa whom I sense is a young and successful urban London - ite . Lisa may very well connect with these people but the majority of working class have little or no connection with them at all.
Corbyn actually DOES connect with us, he speaks to us and FOR us. The self serving Blairites do not. |  |
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| Corbyn on 23:26 - Jul 19 with 1011 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 14:00 - Jul 17 by Darran |
Idiots can think what they want that's why they're idiots. |
So can attention seeking idiots. xxx | |
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| Corbyn on 23:28 - Jul 19 with 1009 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 16:32 - Jul 17 by londonlisa2001 |
It's funny isn't it, but I think of people like my grandparents - solid working class, steel workers, worked hard their whole lives for sod all really, but people who loved their music, reading, culture, education, the Swans :-), and I can't help but think they would have had no time at all for people like Corbyn, who they would have seen as a world apart from them. |
And I bet the likes of Angela Eagle, Chukka Umma and the rest would be mre their cup of tea? Oh come off it mate, is there anyone now at Westminster who has those self same qualities youe grandparents would admire? | |
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| Corbyn on 23:37 - Jul 19 with 994 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 20:54 - Jul 17 by londonlisa2001 |
Policies built on 'anti' is a good description and sums Corbyn up for me. It's about disagreeing with what is done or proposed rather than suggesting alternatives.
So 'anti austerity' - I don't even know what that means? Running a deliberate deficit (even bigger than the one we have run throughout 'austerity')? For how long? How funded? Spending it on what? To what end? Raising how much for the economy? Over what period? What's the payback? Difficult questions - easier to say 'we're anti austerity' and hope no one notices. |
https://www.rt.com/uk/311453-corbyn-austerity-tax-avoidance/
It sees that he has the drive and ideas but as you have your ears ad eyes shut to anything outside of centrist austerity programmes . At least he want to be more creative. Give the man a chance. | |
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| Corbyn on 23:39 - Jul 19 with 992 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 19:21 - Jul 19 by skippyjack |
The Labour party are in a cataclysmic denial of self implosion.. Their voters are flocking to the mental asylums like a flock of sheep.. voting for the Labour party is like voting for the Nazi's.. because that's what they're standing for.. fascist views.
Corbyn is one of the most hypocritical, dangerous politicians this country can potentially elect.
He would make us partners with some terrorist group, and give Sharia Law a green light.. then we'll see the biggest civil war this country has ever had.. If Sharia Law gets anywhere near our court of law..
This man has the potential.. but I'm sure he will never be elected. |
I think that would probably been more likely under Blair mate to be honest.............. | |
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| Corbyn on 23:47 - Jul 19 with 982 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 22:40 - Jul 19 by Groo |
The reason and ONLY reason Blair got into power, was he got into bed with Murdoch.
Is it a coincidence that whoever the Sun newspaper and its sisters support win the elections! |
There you go. Murdoch runs Britain aqnd has done since the 1980's. Corbyn is the ONLY one to stand against him and look at how he has the sheep on here attacking Corbyn.
Murdoch is the most toxic, carcinogenic player in politics and has turned UK elections into smarm parades. F*ck Murdoch | |
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| Corbyn on 23:50 - Jul 19 with 980 views | WarwickHunt |
| Corbyn on 23:25 - Jul 19 by Brynmill_Jack |
You're a steelworker aren't you? I've worked in various branches of industry over 25 years and have been unemployed for barely 12 months in 32 years. I find your statement idiotic and irrelevant. Have you tried claiming ANYTHING off the state these days?
My point to Lisa is that the very people she's backing to oppose Corbyn have little or no connection with me. They may be close in professional status to Lisa whom I sense is a young and successful urban London - ite . Lisa may very well connect with these people but the majority of working class have little or no connection with them at all.
Corbyn actually DOES connect with us, he speaks to us and FOR us. The self serving Blairites do not. |
I thought the romanticising of the working class ended when they voted en masse for Thatcher... obviously not.
Three quarters of Labour Party members are middle class and over half have degrees. Apparently 27% of Labour's core working class voters have said they won't vote Labour again post-Brexit. Labour's new £3 members are overwhelmingly middle class and from the South East.
My old man left school at 14, was a docker & T&G/Labour man all his life. He was as working class as they come.
He would have cheerfully taken a spade to Corbyn's middle-class beardy Trot face.
How much "working class" support does he have for scrapping Trident? Rhetorical question... |  | | |
| Corbyn on 23:51 - Jul 19 with 979 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 23:12 - Jul 19 by pikeypaul |
Labour are now a complete joke full of career politicians in it for their own good,something
their old core support has now realised,in the past the voters stupidly thought they
were all working class together,but having seen Kinnock,Blair,etc become multi millionaires through their socialist (PMSL) views they have realised they have been taken for mugs by the conmen.
At least the Conservatives do not try to hide the fact they are in it for themselves. |
The revival has started. Labour's red flag will rediscover it's proud radiative blush and will march on Downing street once more. And the rebels will be just another bunch of SDP ite chancers fighting over a very congested centrist right ground along with the Lib dems and Tories (and UKIP too). | |
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