| QPR could leave H&F on 13:29 - Feb 8 with 2361 views | daveB |
| QPR could leave H&F on 12:41 - Feb 8 by stevec |
Fernandes says he needs some back up from QPR supporters, not much chance of that looking at some of the latest comments on here.
Supporters on the Board? What planet are you on? As Clive points out, unless you've got about £8 mill a year spare change in your back pocket you're value to the board is the proverbial square route of fck all.
Does anyone genuinely think TF is ever going to make money out of an association with this club? We have been permanently skint for as long as I can remember, no one, not even the mighty Jim Gregory got rich via QPR.
Stadiums cost money, big money, and money does NOT grow on trees. The only way it'll get paid for, at least part paid for, is by developing Loftus Road.
''Stand firm H & F''? No wonder this club goes round and round in ever decreasing circles. |
Why is supporters on the board something from another planet? We've had it before at the club and no real reason why we couldn't do it now.
i think the council calling for fan ownership is ridficulous but fan representation at board level is no bad thing.
Big issue I have with it all is I don't know what I'm supposed to be backing, what will a new stadium look like, how will it be funded and what does it mean for the club, would we be renting it or own the thing, I find it hard to get behind a project I know so little about |  | |  |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:32 - Feb 8 with 2349 views | PinnerPaul |
| QPR could leave H&F on 12:19 - Feb 8 by LythamR |
I just love the way the club seems to be playing some warped game of Chicken with the council over LC
Perhaps Fernandes and Hoos forget that this is the same LBHF council that put on a brilliant open top bus and town hall celebration for QPR finishing second (yes second) in League One. |
I'm pretty sure it was the huge number of fans & their reaction that night that made the occasion, rather than the council letting us use the town hall for a few hours and putting a few cones out along the route!  |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:37 - Feb 8 with 2321 views | R_from_afar |
| QPR could leave H&F on 12:19 - Feb 8 by switchingcode |
Can’t see what the big attraction of building a new stadium for you is.LR holds nearly 20,000 and is still a decent stadium that can produce a great atmosphere.I wish we hadn’t sold off land at Griffin Park and had redeveloped it. |
I don't think it needs to be large, the key issue is that it needs to have better facilities, not just for the supporters but also so it can generate more revenue on non-match days. The current stadium is poor when it comes to generating non-football related revenue, and that is important from a financial viability perspective.
While I am here, I cannot believe that H&F have shown such a poor understanding of the near insurmountable issues with redeveloping Loftus Road. They really should spend 10 minutes doing some research before making pompous, inflammatory and plain stupid pronouncements about how QPR should simply redevelop the current site. It makes me wonder if they have ever been to our stadium. It's not sat in the middle of wind-swept retail park surrounded by a massive carpark.
What are they on? But then perhaps they are all Chelsea fans, or related to John Terry.
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| QPR could leave H&F on 13:42 - Feb 8 with 2307 views | ridethewave |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:23 - Feb 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Can only speak for myself, but I would happily sit in league one or league two if it means community ownership. I Appreciate I am a minority in this view and it will probably upset Hunter and few others at the suggestion that a socialist solution is the best one.
I’m not trying to wind anyone up, this is my core belief that privateers are the cause of all of British and world football’s ills, even with the insertion of untold billions of £s that comes with it. Even with those billions, the majority of us sit here today as fans are of QPR with fck all to show for it. No stadium, no training ground, no representation, nothing. Just 10 years of frustration really. I can’t see how community ownership could have done a worse job, even if we dropped to league 2. Does anyone think AFC Wimbledon fans have had a rough ride since community ownership? Nine promotions in eleven seasons, and overtaking their hated rivals in the league?
In exchange for the loss of finance community ownership would cause, we rid ourselves of speculators who wish to use QPR as a vehicle to push busnesses that provide no benefit to anyone in the QPR / West London area. The sole benefactor of the current board is Tune Group / Air Asia who had a well placed advert in the Premiership when they were there. Now they no longer have that they want to rape the social housing around White City instead, to fill the commercial hole relegation has brung. We are just a financial vehicle to them, as are most things in their life.
I’m sure TF and everyone else has a soft spot for QPR and wants them to do well on a emotional level, but don’t be fooled into thinking they won’t drop us like hot turd when the profit opportunities dry up and it becomes financially viable to do so.
I’d rather play Boreham Wood on my feet with the community with me, than Man City on my knees pouring my hard earned money into a low cost airline ferrying middle class Asian around a continent 10,000 miles away. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 14:12]
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"I would happily sit in league one or league two if it means community ownership."
Well doesn't that just sum up the left. You'd rather lower the prosperity of the club simply to see a less capitalist ownership structure.
There is no money in football. We're lucky to have "speculators" who are willing to lose £8+ million a year so that we can go and watch some football matches. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 13:44]
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| QPR could leave H&F on 13:44 - Feb 8 with 2300 views | QPR_Jim |
| QPR could leave H&F on 12:41 - Feb 8 by stevec |
Fernandes says he needs some back up from QPR supporters, not much chance of that looking at some of the latest comments on here.
Supporters on the Board? What planet are you on? As Clive points out, unless you've got about £8 mill a year spare change in your back pocket you're value to the board is the proverbial square route of fck all.
Does anyone genuinely think TF is ever going to make money out of an association with this club? We have been permanently skint for as long as I can remember, no one, not even the mighty Jim Gregory got rich via QPR.
Stadiums cost money, big money, and money does NOT grow on trees. The only way it'll get paid for, at least part paid for, is by developing Loftus Road.
''Stand firm H & F''? No wonder this club goes round and round in ever decreasing circles. |
I agree.
Andy Evans on the board is a good idea, a fan appointed board member is a possibility and could be good but fan ownership as H&F suggested is not really feasible while we're losing money hand over fist.
The idea put forward by someone that TF doesn't want the club to be sustainable, he just wants to make a profit and leave. If that's the case a club which is sustainable rather than losing millions a year would attract a higher price and more buyers, so how can he want one but not the other? Currently he might (unlikely still) make a profit by the club being sustainable and successful, and with FFP we need to reach sustainability first in order to build and achieve success.
I also can't get my head around this idea that we wouldn't own our new stadium, if we had to pay rent to use the stadium and didn't benefit from the non-matchday revenue, how's it going to solve our FFP problems?
If we do reach sustainability by having a new stadium which can be used to generate non-matchday revenue and consolidating our current training setup into one facility that we own, then perhaps fan ownership could be achieved without having to drop down divisions. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:49 - Feb 8 with 2258 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:42 - Feb 8 by ridethewave |
"I would happily sit in league one or league two if it means community ownership."
Well doesn't that just sum up the left. You'd rather lower the prosperity of the club simply to see a less capitalist ownership structure.
There is no money in football. We're lucky to have "speculators" who are willing to lose £8+ million a year so that we can go and watch some football matches. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 13:44]
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How much revenue has QPR brought to Tunegroup in the form of advertising to 2 billion Asian customers do you think? |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:22 - Feb 8 with 2185 views | DavieQPR |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:49 - Feb 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
How much revenue has QPR brought to Tunegroup in the form of advertising to 2 billion Asian customers do you think? |
To 2 Billion Asians QPR does not mean a lot. Should be asking how much revenue QPR have bought to the Council. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:31 - Feb 8 with 2149 views | Dorse |
Now, I don't pretend to know about the intricacies of urban planning or the roles of the local councillors.
What? That's it. |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 14:36 - Feb 8 with 2118 views | LythamR |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:32 - Feb 8 by PinnerPaul |
I'm pretty sure it was the huge number of fans & their reaction that night that made the occasion, rather than the council letting us use the town hall for a few hours and putting a few cones out along the route! |
They did a bit more than that, they were proactive and did everything they could to make it a great night.
they also made the town hall available for the Ollies Cave meeting when we went into admin and have assisted on other occasions, the Council is not the Big Bad Wolf. I dont think they are approaching things in an ideal way but perhaps they are exasperated.
the club have been pushing for supporters to get involved in this on their behalf for some time now, I am of similar opinion to Dave B above. Show us a concrete proposal to get behind with proper disclosure of the elements and then if it looks decent I will back it to the hilt |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:39 - Feb 8 with 2105 views | PinnerPaul |
| QPR could leave H&F on 10:24 - Feb 8 by daveB |
I'd agree and doing that will show it's not all bullshit about the community aspect of the club |
I think its very harsh, no, I'll correct that - its an insult to call the 10 years work that the Community Trust has done 'bullshit'
Not sure they need Andy on the board to 'legitimise' all the excellent work he and they have done in that time. | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:44 - Feb 8 with 2091 views | Jeff |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:39 - Feb 8 by PinnerPaul |
I think its very harsh, no, I'll correct that - its an insult to call the 10 years work that the Community Trust has done 'bullshit'
Not sure they need Andy on the board to 'legitimise' all the excellent work he and they have done in that time. |
you've read that wrong mate. he's suggesting that the idea that [QPR are a community club] may be bullsh*t, not that [The community work that we do] is bullsh*t |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 14:44 - Feb 8 with 2090 views | PinnerPaul |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:36 - Feb 8 by LythamR |
They did a bit more than that, they were proactive and did everything they could to make it a great night.
they also made the town hall available for the Ollies Cave meeting when we went into admin and have assisted on other occasions, the Council is not the Big Bad Wolf. I dont think they are approaching things in an ideal way but perhaps they are exasperated.
the club have been pushing for supporters to get involved in this on their behalf for some time now, I am of similar opinion to Dave B above. Show us a concrete proposal to get behind with proper disclosure of the elements and then if it looks decent I will back it to the hilt |
Yes agree with you and Dave about that last bit.
The issue I have with the council on this is that they said owners should put money where mouth is and redevelop Loftus Road.
As we know, unless the council are going to allow us to knock down a load of housing and a school, then all the money in the world isn't going to help 'redevelop' Loftus Road. | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:46 - Feb 8 with 2082 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
How are the scum getting on negotiating their planning permission for their new stadium.
H&F happier dealing with the russian mafia?
Any one heard of demands for fan representation at board level, let alone fan ownership.
Then of course we've all heard about the wonderful community involvement of both the scum and the Fools.
Seems more than a little discriminatory at the moment. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:53 - Feb 8 with 2055 views | Harbour |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:44 - Feb 8 by PinnerPaul |
Yes agree with you and Dave about that last bit.
The issue I have with the council on this is that they said owners should put money where mouth is and redevelop Loftus Road.
As we know, unless the council are going to allow us to knock down a load of housing and a school, then all the money in the world isn't going to help 'redevelop' Loftus Road. |
Lee Hoos statement today H&F running a public consultation on the future of Linford Christie Stadium shortly inviting residents on their views. Get the impression if LCS becomes a no go we will relocate out of the borough which would be a real shame. LR future not viable in the long term a fact H&F council do not understand or accept. | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 15:45 - Feb 8 with 1965 views | LythamR |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:44 - Feb 8 by PinnerPaul |
Yes agree with you and Dave about that last bit.
The issue I have with the council on this is that they said owners should put money where mouth is and redevelop Loftus Road.
As we know, unless the council are going to allow us to knock down a load of housing and a school, then all the money in the world isn't going to help 'redevelop' Loftus Road. |
Yes the councils comments on LR are strange and need clarification I agree
What nobody needs though is Fernandes going off on twitter using words like "horrific" he needs to be reigned in, i thought we were done with this once Bathia came back in as Chair | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 15:46 - Feb 8 with 1961 views | LongsufferingR |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:31 - Feb 8 by Dorse |
Now, I don't pretend to know about the intricacies of urban planning or the roles of the local councillors.
What? That's it. |
.....and the first nomination for a fan to be elected onto the board goes to..... |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 15:55 - Feb 8 with 1938 views | WestbourneR |
I know for a fact there are several Rangers fans in the Labour council seats and if the club were proposing a workable and reasonable plan they'd be the first to support it.
TF isn't handling this very well.
Amit please... only Amit. |  |
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| QPR could leave H&F on 16:12 - Feb 8 with 1901 views | daveB |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:39 - Feb 8 by PinnerPaul |
I think its very harsh, no, I'll correct that - its an insult to call the 10 years work that the Community Trust has done 'bullshit'
Not sure they need Andy on the board to 'legitimise' all the excellent work he and they have done in that time. |
Thats not what I meant at all. Nothing but respect for what Andy Evans and his team have done over the last 25 years.
I meant it's fine for fernandes to cry to the council over us being all about the community and nothing to do with property deals but what they see is a board made up a property developer and several billionaires so they smell bullshit from him. By putting someone like Andy Evans on the board shows they are serious about this and there is someone on the board who can legitimately say they care about the community more than making a few quid | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 16:29 - Feb 8 with 1867 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:22 - Feb 8 by DavieQPR |
To 2 Billion Asians QPR does not mean a lot. Should be asking how much revenue QPR have bought to the Council. |
Negligible compared to say, Westfield, W12 shopping centre, Shepherds Bush Market, the Empire, the Theatre, Hammersmith Palladium, The Broadway, and even dare I say it the Scum.
We’ll be missed don’t get me wrong, but not that much. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 16:41]
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| QPR could leave H&F on 16:41 - Feb 8 with 1833 views | PeterHucker |
| QPR could leave H&F on 15:55 - Feb 8 by WestbourneR |
I know for a fact there are several Rangers fans in the Labour council seats and if the club were proposing a workable and reasonable plan they'd be the first to support it.
TF isn't handling this very well.
Amit please... only Amit. |
"I know for a fact there are several Rangers fans in the Labour council seats and if the club were proposing a workable and reasonable plan they'd be the first to support it."
Exactly. A close relative of mine is a councillor close to the ground, he's been saying very similar to that for years.
When we were promoted in May 2011 I asked my relative if there would be a parade. I put this info on here at the time & have repeated it many times since when the same subject arises but I'll say it again anyway.....
We had a parade in 2004 because there was a Labour controlled council with several prominent QPR fans and one in particular who made sure the parade happened.
The other times we've been promoted there's been a Tory controlled council who for whatever reason haven't wanted the parade. |  | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 16:48 - Feb 8 with 1816 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
| QPR could leave H&F on 14:22 - Feb 8 by DavieQPR |
To 2 Billion Asians QPR does not mean a lot. Should be asking how much revenue QPR have bought to the Council. |
Directly, the business rates are probably a fair few bob but a la Bazza not considerable
Indirectly considerable, in terms of all the other businesses in the area made worthwhile through the bi weekly influx of customers, wages created and spent in the borough etc. | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 17:05 - Feb 8 with 1786 views | FDC |
| QPR could leave H&F on 16:29 - Feb 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Negligible compared to say, Westfield, W12 shopping centre, Shepherds Bush Market, the Empire, the Theatre, Hammersmith Palladium, The Broadway, and even dare I say it the Scum.
We’ll be missed don’t get me wrong, but not that much. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 16:41]
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| QPR could leave H&F on 18:12 - Feb 8 with 1691 views | alexferguson60 |
This sounds very like what happened in the NFL with the City of San Diego and the Chargers, owned by Dean Spanos. The Chargers threatened to leave if the City of San Diego didn't add another tax that gave them enough money for a new stadium.
The vote for the extra tax didn't work, and the City wasn't prepared to help (mainly because it didn't have any money), so San Diego ferked off. This has happened rather a lot to teams.
The Chargers moved to Los Angeles, where they now play in a small stadium. They are going to share in a shiny new stadium with the Rams next season. To be really dull, the City of Los Angeles also paid for the Rams to come back, because the Rams got in a fight with the City of St Louis about their stadium. The NFL - along with the Rams - didn't like the stadium renovation plan (they'd also really wanted to a team in LA for TV reasons) and the Rams ferked off to LA, where they'd originally started.
Tony Fernandes is following the American lead of saying: "If you love us so much, give us cash so we can build a stadium, make some noise about adding jobs, and we'll add in some property that will be 25% council and 75% us. Maybe."
The council is playing ball, and TF is threatening. | | | |
| QPR could leave H&F on 18:39 - Feb 8 with 1647 views | Hunterhoop |
| QPR could leave H&F on 13:23 - Feb 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Can only speak for myself, but I would happily sit in league one or league two if it means community ownership. I Appreciate I am a minority in this view and it will probably upset Hunter and few others at the suggestion that a socialist solution is the best one.
I’m not trying to wind anyone up, this is my core belief that privateers are the cause of all of British and world football’s ills, even with the insertion of untold billions of £s that comes with it. Even with those billions, the majority of us sit here today as fans are of QPR with fck all to show for it. No stadium, no training ground, no representation, nothing. Just 10 years of frustration really. I can’t see how community ownership could have done a worse job, even if we dropped to league 2. Does anyone think AFC Wimbledon fans have had a rough ride since community ownership? Nine promotions in eleven seasons, and overtaking their hated rivals in the league?
In exchange for the loss of finance community ownership would cause, we rid ourselves of speculators who wish to use QPR as a vehicle to push busnesses that provide no benefit to anyone in the QPR / West London area. The sole benefactor of the current board is Tune Group / Air Asia who had a well placed advert in the Premiership when they were there. Now they no longer have that they want to rape the social housing around White City instead, to fill the commercial hole relegation has brung. We are just a financial vehicle to them, as are most things in their life.
I’m sure TF and everyone else has a soft spot for QPR and wants them to do well on a emotional level, but don’t be fooled into thinking they won’t drop us like hot turd when the profit opportunities dry up and it becomes financially viable to do so.
I’d rather play Boreham Wood on my feet with the community with me, than Man City on my knees pouring my hard earned money into a low cost airline ferrying middle class Asian around a continent 10,000 miles away. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 14:12]
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Whoah there, sir!
Don’t presume you know my thoughts on this! 😉
I like the idea of fan representation on boards and some form of community ownership. BUT, I also acknowledge a club like ours needs cash. Profit and cash/“capital” are different. We don’t make the former (and probably can’t with our revenue - and it becomes harder the lower you drop) but we absolutely do need cash to keep funding the club. Even if we turn an annual profit, we need cash to pay for costs we incur ahead of revenue. Fan ownership can’t really do that unless one of us wins the EuroMillions.
There’s probably a compromise in there that works best, but like most “grey” areas, it’s detail and competence that finds it, not just theories.
Also, we can’t forget (and Hoos is evidence incarnate), people with the skills to run businesses/entities of our scale aren’t ten a penny. It’s doubtful we would have the right skill set in a fan ownership system able to run the club successfully. Good leaders cost money. You can’t make all decisions from the heart. The head plays a role when it comes to difficult decisions. People with good heads are in high demand. You may not like that Keynesian reality, but i’d rather we didn’t cut our nose off to spite our face when it comes to QPR. [Post edited 8 Feb 2019 18:57]
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