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If current season is declared on 10:59 - May 8 by D_Alien
Pitch renovation is apparently back on the table, a pretty significant expense at any time but especially now. Are we so sure that the club would struggle to survive given that this outlay isn't being put on hold until something like normality is restored?
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I suppose it will depend on how the club will pay for it. I doubt it will be one lump sum out of cash reserves.
If current season is declared on 12:54 - May 8 by judd
I suppose it will depend on how the club will pay for it. I doubt it will be one lump sum out of cash reserves.
True, and it'd also be useful to know if the club intend to pursue the external funding proposed for this summer at the fans forum, or if this is contingent upon circumstances in, say, 6 or 12 months time
If current season is declared "over" would you pursue a refund for games missed? on 12:16 - May 7 by smaclad1
Think that you buy a ticket for the season, not for a set number of matches. You buy with the expectation of 23 games, but if the season is ended early etc then it's over.
Personally I wouldn't be chasing refund or inducement to buy for next season. Not sure that supporting a club and buying a season ticket is a normal commercial transaction - as a fan you are buying into something a bit more. If the club build something into the offer for next season (tho' who knows what 'next season' even means at the moment), then fine. But wouldn't be criticising the club if it didn't.
The publicity for season tickets clearly made the point that it only covered 23 league games and not cup matches this is the basis of the contract between buyer and seller, rather like taking out a subscription for 12 monthly magazines. There is also the matter that that season tickets are advanced payments and only as matches are played can the money can be moved onto the balance sheet as income. As there now seems to be little prospect of the games being played, a decision needs to be taken if only to move these (now) liabilities to the other side of the balance sheet if people are happy to forego getting their money back or alternative arrangements made
"Advanced payments are recorded as assets on the balance sheet. As these assets are used they are expended and recorded on the income statement for the period in which they are incurred." I.e. as matches paid for are played.
If current season is declared on 16:37 - May 10 by 49thseason
The publicity for season tickets clearly made the point that it only covered 23 league games and not cup matches this is the basis of the contract between buyer and seller, rather like taking out a subscription for 12 monthly magazines. There is also the matter that that season tickets are advanced payments and only as matches are played can the money can be moved onto the balance sheet as income. As there now seems to be little prospect of the games being played, a decision needs to be taken if only to move these (now) liabilities to the other side of the balance sheet if people are happy to forego getting their money back or alternative arrangements made
"Advanced payments are recorded as assets on the balance sheet. As these assets are used they are expended and recorded on the income statement for the period in which they are incurred." I.e. as matches paid for are played.
The basis of the contract between the club and the purchaser of the season ticket ‘is’ the contract. Why don’t you look at what that says? That will give you your proper answer. It may, for example, contain force majeure provisions that apply. You may be right or you could be wrong. In the event you’re wrong you may have rights under the Consumer Rights Act. Either way, the Ts&Cs are your first point of reference, not ‘publicity’. Bit of a handy research tip there for you.
If current season is declared on 16:37 - May 10 by 49thseason
The publicity for season tickets clearly made the point that it only covered 23 league games and not cup matches this is the basis of the contract between buyer and seller, rather like taking out a subscription for 12 monthly magazines. There is also the matter that that season tickets are advanced payments and only as matches are played can the money can be moved onto the balance sheet as income. As there now seems to be little prospect of the games being played, a decision needs to be taken if only to move these (now) liabilities to the other side of the balance sheet if people are happy to forego getting their money back or alternative arrangements made
"Advanced payments are recorded as assets on the balance sheet. As these assets are used they are expended and recorded on the income statement for the period in which they are incurred." I.e. as matches paid for are played.
If current season is declared on 16:37 - May 10 by 49thseason
The publicity for season tickets clearly made the point that it only covered 23 league games and not cup matches this is the basis of the contract between buyer and seller, rather like taking out a subscription for 12 monthly magazines. There is also the matter that that season tickets are advanced payments and only as matches are played can the money can be moved onto the balance sheet as income. As there now seems to be little prospect of the games being played, a decision needs to be taken if only to move these (now) liabilities to the other side of the balance sheet if people are happy to forego getting their money back or alternative arrangements made
"Advanced payments are recorded as assets on the balance sheet. As these assets are used they are expended and recorded on the income statement for the period in which they are incurred." I.e. as matches paid for are played.
Did the publicity mention what would happen in the event of unforeseen circumstances, such as bury FC going bust* and a worldwide pandemic happening within the subsequent 12 months?
* maybe not unforeseen, in hindsight
You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked?
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If current season is declared on 18:42 - May 10 with 1205 views
If current season is declared on 17:29 - May 10 by TVOS1907
Did the publicity mention what would happen in the event of unforeseen circumstances, such as bury FC going bust* and a worldwide pandemic happening within the subsequent 12 months?
* maybe not unforeseen, in hindsight
As I said on the poll thread, it’s not force manure, this would not qualify, it’s the sale of goods act, we have paid for a service we have not received surely.
Unless anyone here is a lawyer and can interpret the T&C’s or wants to go down the ambulance chasing vulture route of no win no fee, does anyone really want some money back??
If current season is declared on 18:42 - May 10 by blackdogblue
As I said on the poll thread, it’s not force manure, this would not qualify, it’s the sale of goods act, we have paid for a service we have not received surely.
Unless anyone here is a lawyer and can interpret the T&C’s or wants to go down the ambulance chasing vulture route of no win no fee, does anyone really want some money back??
Ps, new acronym... focncfc 😀
Yes, of course we have paid for goods we haven't received, but it's the phraseology used when discussing that, in my opinion, isn't helpful.
Like 442 says, perhaps it's something to take up with the Trust or the club.
You mean you STILL haven't worked out why some posts get down-ticked?
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If current season is declared on 19:45 - May 10 with 1161 views
If current season is declared on 18:42 - May 10 by blackdogblue
As I said on the poll thread, it’s not force manure, this would not qualify, it’s the sale of goods act, we have paid for a service we have not received surely.
Unless anyone here is a lawyer and can interpret the T&C’s or wants to go down the ambulance chasing vulture route of no win no fee, does anyone really want some money back??
Ps, new acronym... focncfc 😀
The Consumer Rights Act 2015 has replaced the Sale of Goods Act 1979 as amended. Under the CRA you’ll likely to be either entitled to a replacement or a refund. The club may only be obliged to offer you a replacement, that is, to use the tickets for the rearranged, or other (if the season is cancelled), future fixtures. Either way, the club will be aware of it’s obligations and I’m sure will act accordingly. I agree with TVOS though that some of the language is unhelpful. The club doesn’t even know what situation it has to act in accordance with yet (season cancellation etc.) and already people are talking about it breaching contracts. NB by cancellation I mean fans not being able to attend fixtures or the season being ended earlier by a predicted points method as per isitme’s thread.
If current season is declared on 19:45 - May 10 by BigDaveMyCock
The Consumer Rights Act 2015 has replaced the Sale of Goods Act 1979 as amended. Under the CRA you’ll likely to be either entitled to a replacement or a refund. The club may only be obliged to offer you a replacement, that is, to use the tickets for the rearranged, or other (if the season is cancelled), future fixtures. Either way, the club will be aware of it’s obligations and I’m sure will act accordingly. I agree with TVOS though that some of the language is unhelpful. The club doesn’t even know what situation it has to act in accordance with yet (season cancellation etc.) and already people are talking about it breaching contracts. NB by cancellation I mean fans not being able to attend fixtures or the season being ended earlier by a predicted points method as per isitme’s thread.
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It could be the “highways act” that’s not my point here...
If it’s the CRA to get a replacement for example, still will cost the club either way...
Spend it on something useful & protect the clubs future, I don’t want a replacement or refund on my 2.1 season tickets ðŸ‘
If current season is declared on 18:42 - May 10 by blackdogblue
As I said on the poll thread, it’s not force manure, this would not qualify, it’s the sale of goods act, we have paid for a service we have not received surely.
Unless anyone here is a lawyer and can interpret the T&C’s or wants to go down the ambulance chasing vulture route of no win no fee, does anyone really want some money back??
Ps, new acronym... focncfc 😀
"Force Manure"
Feckin' priceless that one mate
An adequate description of bury this century.
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If current season is declared on 09:00 - May 11 with 992 views
If current season is declared on 20:32 - May 10 by blackdogblue
It could be the “highways act” that’s not my point here...
If it’s the CRA to get a replacement for example, still will cost the club either way...
Spend it on something useful & protect the clubs future, I don’t want a replacement or refund on my 2.1 season tickets ðŸ‘
No, it doesn’t work like that. If the club is obliged/decides itself to allow you to use the tickets for future fixtures or provide you with a refund for cancelled fixtures then they will have to do that. If you decide to not use the tickets or claim the refund then that’s your decision and I’m sure the club will appreciate that. We simply don’t know what’s going to happen yet, what if any option the club will have to take and what fan take-up will be in the event the club has to provide such an option. So, why £10k, why is that £10k available for the club to spend and why are you are asking fans what it should be spent on? If you don’t mind, it comes across a little presumptuous.
If current season is declared on 18:42 - May 10 by blackdogblue
As I said on the poll thread, it’s not force manure, this would not qualify, it’s the sale of goods act, we have paid for a service we have not received surely.
Unless anyone here is a lawyer and can interpret the T&C’s or wants to go down the ambulance chasing vulture route of no win no fee, does anyone really want some money back??
Ps, new acronym... focncfc 😀
I can't see how I can be blamed for Dale being unable to fulfill its remaining fixtures?
If games are cancelled, there will be the option of a refund or a 2021 credit. Policies on postponed, rescheduled, or limited capacity games will be announced at the appropriate time.
If current season is declared on 09:00 - May 11 by BigDaveMyCock
No, it doesn’t work like that. If the club is obliged/decides itself to allow you to use the tickets for future fixtures or provide you with a refund for cancelled fixtures then they will have to do that. If you decide to not use the tickets or claim the refund then that’s your decision and I’m sure the club will appreciate that. We simply don’t know what’s going to happen yet, what if any option the club will have to take and what fan take-up will be in the event the club has to provide such an option. So, why £10k, why is that £10k available for the club to spend and why are you are asking fans what it should be spent on? If you don’t mind, it comes across a little presumptuous.
Not at all.. £10k was my guesstimate on a refund if the club had to based on some figures floating around and an even bigger guess on the split between adult, child, concessions & stand different prices.
What I was eluding to is if was £10k & all fans said keep it but we would like you spend it on something rather than give it to charity or lost in the p&l what we suggest?
It’s not a lot of money in the scheme of things and created a talking point away from politics, COVID-19, the debate between 2 Notts teams & cheered Sandyman up no end 😀😀
If current season is declared on 16:54 - May 11 by blackdogblue
Not at all.. £10k was my guesstimate on a refund if the club had to based on some figures floating around and an even bigger guess on the split between adult, child, concessions & stand different prices.
What I was eluding to is if was £10k & all fans said keep it but we would like you spend it on something rather than give it to charity or lost in the p&l what we suggest?
It’s not a lot of money in the scheme of things and created a talking point away from politics, COVID-19, the debate between 2 Notts teams & cheered Sandyman up no end 😀😀
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