| Iorwerth on 18:03 - Mar 21 with 753 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 17:06 - Mar 21 by Gwyn737 |
And the irony of those talking about sheep who vote Labour no matter what simultaneously saying they’ll vote for Reform no matter what.
Surely the right thing to do is to say to Reform that you’d like to vote for them, but could you have something to vote for? |
That's the point.
Reform's Westminster manifesto was nonsense. They don't have any Welsh policies, spokespeople or candidates. Who would be first minister for instance?
They'll vote for them though for some reason. |  | |  |
| Iorwerth on 07:25 - Mar 22 with 674 views | SgorioFruit |
Is anyone on here able to give a better alternative to Rhun ap Iorwerth?
I’ll wait. |  |
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| Iorwerth on 08:43 - Mar 22 with 636 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 07:25 - Mar 22 by SgorioFruit |
Is anyone on here able to give a better alternative to Rhun ap Iorwerth?
I’ll wait. |
If you persist with a policy that 61% of the Welsh electorate do not want you will fail. |  | | |
| Iorwerth on 08:44 - Mar 22 with 635 views | Boundy |
| Iorwerth on 07:25 - Mar 22 by SgorioFruit |
Is anyone on here able to give a better alternative to Rhun ap Iorwerth?
I’ll wait. |
To do what, run a country ? | |
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| Iorwerth on 08:51 - Mar 22 with 620 views | Boundy |
| Iorwerth on 17:06 - Mar 21 by Gwyn737 |
And the irony of those talking about sheep who vote Labour no matter what simultaneously saying they’ll vote for Reform no matter what.
Surely the right thing to do is to say to Reform that you’d like to vote for them, but could you have something to vote for? |
What's in Welsh labours manifesto for the next years elections ? | |
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| Iorwerth on 10:52 - Mar 22 with 580 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 08:51 - Mar 22 by Boundy |
What's in Welsh labours manifesto for the next years elections ? |
Well we don't know do we. But their policies, leader and likely candidates are clear.
We know nothing about Reform. Apart from the turmoil amongst MP's and the leader, which isn't a good look.
When people say they're going to vote for them, what is it based on? | | | |
| Iorwerth on 11:58 - Mar 22 with 553 views | johnlangy |
| Iorwerth on 08:07 - Mar 21 by Boundy |
25% of whom exactly , their voter base or the population? |
Current polling of the general public say around 25% would vote for Independence.
So 25% of the population. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 12:07 - Mar 22 with 535 views | johnlangy |
| Iorwerth on 17:04 - Mar 21 by SullutaCreturned |
This has been my point all the way through this thread. Labour are useless and Reform have nothing knowingly worth voting for apart from mindlessly saying "we will be different" and this is why I think Plaid have a chance.
Plaid have clear policies, I think some are fairly undeliverable (such as fair funding for Wales and getting the HS2 consequential) but they are clear. People know what they stand for which is a lot more than Reform can say. and then we've had 25 years of Labour... |
Spot on Cat. And Plaid are the only party whose only concern is what's best for Wales.
All the other parties have their UK bosses in Westminster telling them what to do which never benefits Wales.
How well Plaid do will only be known if they get into power. | | | |
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| Iorwerth on 13:13 - Mar 22 with 497 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Iorwerth on 13:21 - Mar 21 by Boundy |
Change , something this country is desperate for , yourself ? |
Change is a concept, the only concrete thing Reform is offering is to move our welsh NHS into an insurance based model. Who wants that ?
Your man ….. you must be having a laugh ….. |  |
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| Iorwerth on 13:14 - Mar 22 with 495 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Iorwerth on 12:07 - Mar 22 by johnlangy |
Spot on Cat. And Plaid are the only party whose only concern is what's best for Wales.
All the other parties have their UK bosses in Westminster telling them what to do which never benefits Wales.
How well Plaid do will only be known if they get into power. |
Well said John | |
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| Iorwerth on 13:57 - Mar 22 with 473 views | Boundy |
| Iorwerth on 11:58 - Mar 22 by johnlangy |
Current polling of the general public say around 25% would vote for Independence.
So 25% of the population. |
Then 25% are fools | |
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| Iorwerth on 13:57 - Mar 22 with 473 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 12:07 - Mar 22 by johnlangy |
Spot on Cat. And Plaid are the only party whose only concern is what's best for Wales.
All the other parties have their UK bosses in Westminster telling them what to do which never benefits Wales.
How well Plaid do will only be known if they get into power. |
Thing is John, Plaid only have one policy I absolutely disagree with, indepepndence and even that could change (them or me) so when looking at the other choices, there's not a lot I like.
Labour, the 20mph fiasco, poorly planed and implemented costing the country millions. The business bank, guilty of lending to shoddy organisations and costing the ountry millions, racetrack in Merthyr anyone? The NHS, poorly run by inept ministers costing thr country billions probably. Cardiff getting far more than its fair share of government investment costing hundreds of millions and letting vast swathes of Wales stagnate. Expanding the Senedd when we are apparently broke, spending tens of millions on something that shouldn't be a priority. The Sustrans link, it just sounds dodgy, corrupt even.
Tories and Reform...if people won't vote for the tories and Reform are even further right then WHO will vote for them and those who say they will, what does Reform in Wales stand for?
It leaves Plaid as my only logical choice. They are the party I disagree with the least.
Of all the choices that have a chance of power, Plaid just look the best choice to me. I don't think I would have said that 5 years ago. Well I know I wouldn't have because I remember saying I couldn't vote Plaid because of the indy policy. Times change and we have to change with them.
Hell, the way the world is if we had the brexit referendum today I'd vote remain. Voting the same way you always have just because that's what you do is crazy and the reason the |Uk is in a shit state, people need to think about their vote and make whatever they think is the best choice, blind loyalty is for fools. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 13:58 - Mar 22 with 471 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 07:25 - Mar 22 by SgorioFruit |
Is anyone on here able to give a better alternative to Rhun ap Iorwerth?
I’ll wait. |
It should really have been Jeremy Miles. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 14:03 - Mar 22 with 467 views | Scotia |
| Iorwerth on 13:57 - Mar 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is John, Plaid only have one policy I absolutely disagree with, indepepndence and even that could change (them or me) so when looking at the other choices, there's not a lot I like.
Labour, the 20mph fiasco, poorly planed and implemented costing the country millions. The business bank, guilty of lending to shoddy organisations and costing the ountry millions, racetrack in Merthyr anyone? The NHS, poorly run by inept ministers costing thr country billions probably. Cardiff getting far more than its fair share of government investment costing hundreds of millions and letting vast swathes of Wales stagnate. Expanding the Senedd when we are apparently broke, spending tens of millions on something that shouldn't be a priority. The Sustrans link, it just sounds dodgy, corrupt even.
Tories and Reform...if people won't vote for the tories and Reform are even further right then WHO will vote for them and those who say they will, what does Reform in Wales stand for?
It leaves Plaid as my only logical choice. They are the party I disagree with the least.
Of all the choices that have a chance of power, Plaid just look the best choice to me. I don't think I would have said that 5 years ago. Well I know I wouldn't have because I remember saying I couldn't vote Plaid because of the indy policy. Times change and we have to change with them.
Hell, the way the world is if we had the brexit referendum today I'd vote remain. Voting the same way you always have just because that's what you do is crazy and the reason the |Uk is in a shit state, people need to think about their vote and make whatever they think is the best choice, blind loyalty is for fools. |
I'm considering voting Plaid. I never have before and never thought I would.
For the same reasons as you. I'm tempted by the lib Dems or green, but for tactical reasons a vote for plaid could see a change in leadership.
It depends on how they play independence in their manifesto though. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 14:33 - Mar 22 with 438 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 14:03 - Mar 22 by Scotia |
I'm considering voting Plaid. I never have before and never thought I would.
For the same reasons as you. I'm tempted by the lib Dems or green, but for tactical reasons a vote for plaid could see a change in leadership.
It depends on how they play independence in their manifesto though. |
What that LibDem woman did with Labour re Dog racing annoyed me. The Greens, I'm just not convinced by all this eco stuff. I think we re spending a lot of money when the tech just isn't up to scratch yet amnd in ten years we'll spend even more replacing stuff, like car batteries, how do you sell a second hand electric car when the battery is close to failing, it's resale value will be practically zero, it's an awful investment specially when hydrogen is making leaps and bounds.
It really looks like it's going to be Plaid for me next time around. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 14:43 - Mar 22 with 422 views | Flashberryjack |
| Iorwerth on 14:33 - Mar 22 by SullutaCreturned |
What that LibDem woman did with Labour re Dog racing annoyed me. The Greens, I'm just not convinced by all this eco stuff. I think we re spending a lot of money when the tech just isn't up to scratch yet amnd in ten years we'll spend even more replacing stuff, like car batteries, how do you sell a second hand electric car when the battery is close to failing, it's resale value will be practically zero, it's an awful investment specially when hydrogen is making leaps and bounds.
It really looks like it's going to be Plaid for me next time around. |
We've seen what the SNP have done in Scotland, god forbid Plaid they should run Wales, I bet they have a bunch of looney ideas to oick up where Labour left off. |  |
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| Iorwerth on 14:48 - Mar 22 with 416 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 14:43 - Mar 22 by Flashberryjack |
We've seen what the SNP have done in Scotland, god forbid Plaid they should run Wales, I bet they have a bunch of looney ideas to oick up where Labour left off. |
Different party, different country, different people....if you're saying no to Piaid because of the SNP that's just as bad as voting fpr whoever because you always have!
Try looking to see what they offer?
See Scotia, this is my point about manifesto's, Flash hasn't ruled out Plaid because of their manifesto but becausse...SNP! | | | |
| Iorwerth on 15:17 - Mar 22 with 398 views | Flashberryjack |
| Iorwerth on 14:48 - Mar 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Different party, different country, different people....if you're saying no to Piaid because of the SNP that's just as bad as voting fpr whoever because you always have!
Try looking to see what they offer?
See Scotia, this is my point about manifesto's, Flash hasn't ruled out Plaid because of their manifesto but becausse...SNP! |
First hand experience my friend, Plaid have been our county councilor for as long as I remember, nice bloke, but does f*ck all of any worth.
BTW, I don't need to read their manifesto, because their main objective is independent Wales, and I don't want it. | |
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| Iorwerth on 15:40 - Mar 22 with 371 views | onehunglow |
| Iorwerth on 15:17 - Mar 22 by Flashberryjack |
First hand experience my friend, Plaid have been our county councilor for as long as I remember, nice bloke, but does f*ck all of any worth.
BTW, I don't need to read their manifesto, because their main objective is independent Wales, and I don't want it. |
Indys always have sentiment at their core
It's a dreamlike fantasy in essence
It's why we see Welsh bats so passionate about shoving the UK part of Ireland into a " united" island
Island of Ireland, north of Ireland,preferred terms of reference
Derry/Londonderry explains their mindset
I am certain England would prefer to be independent of both Scotland ,wales and NI as we are nothing but whingers with hurt going back 500 years | |
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| Iorwerth on 17:24 - Mar 22 with 326 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 15:17 - Mar 22 by Flashberryjack |
First hand experience my friend, Plaid have been our county councilor for as long as I remember, nice bloke, but does f*ck all of any worth.
BTW, I don't need to read their manifesto, because their main objective is independent Wales, and I don't want it. |
It can be their main objective but they still need a refendum and they still need to persuade enough people to vote for it. Last I saw support had dropped to around 18%.
Can you honestly say the other parties are doing any good and not just in Wales. What is the point in voting for the same people all the time and despite the evidence continuing to do so?
What do you expect to change? Hasn't 50 plus years of evidence shown you, nothing will change unless we vote for it. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:46 - Mar 22 with 319 views | johnlangy |
| Iorwerth on 15:17 - Mar 22 by Flashberryjack |
First hand experience my friend, Plaid have been our county councilor for as long as I remember, nice bloke, but does f*ck all of any worth.
BTW, I don't need to read their manifesto, because their main objective is independent Wales, and I don't want it. |
You can always vote for Plaid and against Indy if we ever get a referendum on it.
One doesn't preclude the other. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 17:59 - Mar 22 with 302 views | Whiterockin |
| Iorwerth on 17:46 - Mar 22 by johnlangy |
You can always vote for Plaid and against Indy if we ever get a referendum on it.
One doesn't preclude the other. |
Why don't Plaid just ask the Welsh electorate how they want to be governed. A two question referendum, do you want independence yes or no, do you want to continue with devolution or abolish the Senedd. Let's see exactly what we want once and for all and move on one way or another. If Plaid put that in their manifesto they would have my vote. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 18:10 - Mar 22 with 281 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Iorwerth on 17:46 - Mar 22 by johnlangy |
You can always vote for Plaid and against Indy if we ever get a referendum on it.
One doesn't preclude the other. |
Exactly John. | |
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| Iorwerth on 18:12 - Mar 22 with 275 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Iorwerth on 17:59 - Mar 22 by Whiterockin |
Why don't Plaid just ask the Welsh electorate how they want to be governed. A two question referendum, do you want independence yes or no, do you want to continue with devolution or abolish the Senedd. Let's see exactly what we want once and for all and move on one way or another. If Plaid put that in their manifesto they would have my vote. |
Email Ap Iorwerth and tell him! I emailed him just before "Adam" was dethroned and asked several questions which he answered really quickly. At the same time my Labour candidate didn't answer at all and I ended up voting for an independent, or maybe it was Greens, I don't remember. | | | |
| Iorwerth on 18:21 - Mar 22 with 253 views | johnlangy |
| Iorwerth on 13:57 - Mar 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is John, Plaid only have one policy I absolutely disagree with, indepepndence and even that could change (them or me) so when looking at the other choices, there's not a lot I like.
Labour, the 20mph fiasco, poorly planed and implemented costing the country millions. The business bank, guilty of lending to shoddy organisations and costing the ountry millions, racetrack in Merthyr anyone? The NHS, poorly run by inept ministers costing thr country billions probably. Cardiff getting far more than its fair share of government investment costing hundreds of millions and letting vast swathes of Wales stagnate. Expanding the Senedd when we are apparently broke, spending tens of millions on something that shouldn't be a priority. The Sustrans link, it just sounds dodgy, corrupt even.
Tories and Reform...if people won't vote for the tories and Reform are even further right then WHO will vote for them and those who say they will, what does Reform in Wales stand for?
It leaves Plaid as my only logical choice. They are the party I disagree with the least.
Of all the choices that have a chance of power, Plaid just look the best choice to me. I don't think I would have said that 5 years ago. Well I know I wouldn't have because I remember saying I couldn't vote Plaid because of the indy policy. Times change and we have to change with them.
Hell, the way the world is if we had the brexit referendum today I'd vote remain. Voting the same way you always have just because that's what you do is crazy and the reason the |Uk is in a shit state, people need to think about their vote and make whatever they think is the best choice, blind loyalty is for fools. |
I agree with most of that cat especially the part about Cardiff getting more than its fair share. It's blatantly obvious to me.
As regards Plaid, their strength at present is in the West and if they do get a majority in the next Senedd election their strength in the West will remain along with newly won seats in the current Labour heartland.
It stands to reason that if Plaid do get into power the emphasis will naturally shift West and North West (Iorwerth represents Anglesey). If that does happen they probably won't have a majority so will have to rely on support from Labour. But if they (Plaid) try to move the emphasis toward the West/N West and Labour try use their junior partner strength to hold that back it will hopefully be blindingly obvious who is doing the blocking and Labour will lose even more support. | | | |
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