| Defence 08:34 - Aug 9 with 6383 views | andrew |
We HAVE to replace Burgess with Lissah and keep Key right back. |  |
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| Defence on 09:03 - Aug 9 with 4887 views | Landore_Jack |
Maybe replace Burgess with Stephen Welsh? |  |
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| Defence on 09:14 - Aug 9 with 4833 views | Whiterockin |
| Defence on 09:03 - Aug 9 by Landore_Jack |
Maybe replace Burgess with Stephen Welsh? |
This would be my choice. Players do not need to play in the same position for the whole game, we could be flexible and move Lissah into the centre later and bring Key on. But I have a feeling that Welsh could be an excellent signing. At least we have options this season. |  | | |
| Defence on 09:40 - Aug 9 with 4752 views | wwcigne |
| Defence on 09:14 - Aug 9 by Whiterockin |
This would be my choice. Players do not need to play in the same position for the whole game, we could be flexible and move Lissah into the centre later and bring Key on. But I have a feeling that Welsh could be an excellent signing. At least we have options this season. |
Lissah proved he should be right back yesterday ,he’s a better defender than Key and gets forward too
The main problem for our defence is Vigs putting us under pressure,he gives players balls to players in Cu-de-sacs ,sometimes like yesterday the balls are too far in front or behind the player or with too much pace which is difficult to control and we lose possession
Stop the short slow goal kick crap that invites pressure all the time and go long and wide sometimes
Let the centre halves do the simple things and we look and play better
All our defensive problems are of our own making,it doesn’t matter who the centre halves are,if we keep playing the way we are we will struggle | | | |
| Defence on 09:50 - Aug 9 with 4711 views | onehunglow |
| Defence on 09:40 - Aug 9 by wwcigne |
Lissah proved he should be right back yesterday ,he’s a better defender than Key and gets forward too
The main problem for our defence is Vigs putting us under pressure,he gives players balls to players in Cu-de-sacs ,sometimes like yesterday the balls are too far in front or behind the player or with too much pace which is difficult to control and we lose possession
Stop the short slow goal kick crap that invites pressure all the time and go long and wide sometimes
Let the centre halves do the simple things and we look and play better
All our defensive problems are of our own making,it doesn’t matter who the centre halves are,if we keep playing the way we are we will struggle |
Amen to that
This is what irritates and frustrates
We really do create our own issues
Vig’ s distribution is awful and he seems to find touch as easily as Phil Bennett
We have two full backs who allow players to stroll past them, both terrible defenders,neither tackles well and both shocking headers of a ball
Cabango did make a superb tackle yesterday though
Burgess is lacking balance evidenced by his spectacular own goal at the World Cup .
He might be a nice chap and a good pro but he’s simply been found wanting too often.
We bought in Welsh to surely improve our defence but it’s more than centre backs
We have loads of options in midfield and Opuku looks promising as does Just but there are some pretty handy attackers in this league .
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| Defence on 10:05 - Aug 9 with 4689 views | Just_Dave |
| Defence on 09:14 - Aug 9 by Whiterockin |
This would be my choice. Players do not need to play in the same position for the whole game, we could be flexible and move Lissah into the centre later and bring Key on. But I have a feeling that Welsh could be an excellent signing. At least we have options this season. |
Lissah played well yesterday as did Key when he came on.Welsh has a decent pedigree so I'd like to see him start at centre back. Was never a fan of the cabango Burgess partnership but obviously a very unfortunate way to break the pairing up.
As you said at least we have options this season | | | |
| Defence on 10:09 - Aug 9 with 4653 views | union_jack |
| Defence on 09:40 - Aug 9 by wwcigne |
Lissah proved he should be right back yesterday ,he’s a better defender than Key and gets forward too
The main problem for our defence is Vigs putting us under pressure,he gives players balls to players in Cu-de-sacs ,sometimes like yesterday the balls are too far in front or behind the player or with too much pace which is difficult to control and we lose possession
Stop the short slow goal kick crap that invites pressure all the time and go long and wide sometimes
Let the centre halves do the simple things and we look and play better
All our defensive problems are of our own making,it doesn’t matter who the centre halves are,if we keep playing the way we are we will struggle |
Agree with this but I’d say it’s nit Vig’s fault because this is what they practice on the training ground. Why? I have no idea because as soon as we invite the press we are either caught out giving possession away or kicking long, giving possession away. It slows the whole game down.
By all means invite the press but as soon as they’ve committed to that get the ball to our flanks quicker. This is no f=different to last year which is disappointing.
May I remind people of the definition of madness! |  |
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| Defence on 10:17 - Aug 9 with 4608 views | onehunglow |
| Defence on 10:09 - Aug 9 by union_jack |
Agree with this but I’d say it’s nit Vig’s fault because this is what they practice on the training ground. Why? I have no idea because as soon as we invite the press we are either caught out giving possession away or kicking long, giving possession away. It slows the whole game down.
By all means invite the press but as soon as they’ve committed to that get the ball to our flanks quicker. This is no f=different to last year which is disappointing.
May I remind people of the definition of madness! |
Nuts innit | |
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| Defence on 11:07 - Aug 9 with 4504 views | wwcigne |
Mark the widemen tighter so they can’t receive the ball in the first place and that cuts down on balls played into the box
When the ball is crossed into the box just clear it ,don’t try to get cute ,that goes for the keeper as well who could challenge for the ball in the air and punch ( he did a few times yesterday by the way)
Stop putting ourselves under pressure with slow pointless goal kick nonsense
Do the simple things at the back , there’s nothing wrong with putting your foot through the ball to clear the danger
Stop Vigaroux putting players under pressure with crap distribution
Get Stamenic playing further forward and moving the ball forward,not the slow sideways and back ambitionless rubbish
We cause a lot of our own problems | | | |
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| Defence on 11:33 - Aug 9 with 4413 views | KeithHaynes |
| Defence on 09:14 - Aug 9 by Whiterockin |
This would be my choice. Players do not need to play in the same position for the whole game, we could be flexible and move Lissah into the centre later and bring Key on. But I have a feeling that Welsh could be an excellent signing. At least we have options this season. |
He can’t be ignored that’s for sure, this is his chance, if Matos doesn’t pick him in the position he was brought in to play. It’s a nonsense. |  |
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| Defence on 11:56 - Aug 9 with 4370 views | clloy2 |
| Defence on 11:33 - Aug 9 by KeithHaynes |
He can’t be ignored that’s for sure, this is his chance, if Matos doesn’t pick him in the position he was brought in to play. It’s a nonsense. |
It was obvious for most of last season that defensively we were very poor. Real failing was that our two centre backs cannot play together. They both possess the same frailties, slow, prone to a major error at least once a game and poor with the ball at feet, neither will bring the ball out from the back which has been missing since Darling left. I had hope Matos would have done something about this during the transfer window, but it was looking like he was going to stick with the same pairing at least for the start of the season. Really horrible to see a player pick up a major injury on the eve of the season, but now this has happened, its forced Matos into making a change that has been long overdue. Secondly, both our full/wing backs are great going forward but both cannot defend at this level, so again one more for Matos to think about.
Finally, whilst I cover our weaknesses, am I the only one that cant fathom out, why we haven't prioritised bringing in an offensive midfielder, that has pace, power and a physical presence and is comfortable beating a man and carrying the ball at pace 30-40 yds into the opposition territory. We have not had a player with these attributes since we have been in the championship and would make a big difference when games are tight as in the case of yesterday and give us much more optionality going forward. | | | |
| Defence on 12:11 - Aug 9 with 4318 views | wwcigne |
| Defence on 11:56 - Aug 9 by clloy2 |
It was obvious for most of last season that defensively we were very poor. Real failing was that our two centre backs cannot play together. They both possess the same frailties, slow, prone to a major error at least once a game and poor with the ball at feet, neither will bring the ball out from the back which has been missing since Darling left. I had hope Matos would have done something about this during the transfer window, but it was looking like he was going to stick with the same pairing at least for the start of the season. Really horrible to see a player pick up a major injury on the eve of the season, but now this has happened, its forced Matos into making a change that has been long overdue. Secondly, both our full/wing backs are great going forward but both cannot defend at this level, so again one more for Matos to think about.
Finally, whilst I cover our weaknesses, am I the only one that cant fathom out, why we haven't prioritised bringing in an offensive midfielder, that has pace, power and a physical presence and is comfortable beating a man and carrying the ball at pace 30-40 yds into the opposition territory. We have not had a player with these attributes since we have been in the championship and would make a big difference when games are tight as in the case of yesterday and give us much more optionality going forward. |
Eom had a few runs through the middle and opened things up in the second half yesterday ,we need more players to do it
Only problem second half was Stamenic and Fulton together slowing things down and playing the ball in the wrong direction | | | |
| Defence on 12:15 - Aug 9 with 4309 views | jack_lord |
Any updates on Burgess? |  |
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| Defence on 12:52 - Aug 9 with 4210 views | swansjack84 |
| Defence on 11:33 - Aug 9 by KeithHaynes |
He can’t be ignored that’s for sure, this is his chance, if Matos doesn’t pick him in the position he was brought in to play. It’s a nonsense. |
Agreed Keith. What mesage does it say if Welsh doesn't play and given the chance. I wonder if Welsh was gonna play anyway on Saturday against Stoke? I mean it doesn't matter now, but it would of been alarming if he went for Burgess over him. We can all see he needs replacing. These managers, sometimes with their blind unknown loyalty to players is strange. | | | |
| Defence on 12:58 - Aug 9 with 4184 views | onehunglow |
| Defence on 12:52 - Aug 9 by swansjack84 |
Agreed Keith. What mesage does it say if Welsh doesn't play and given the chance. I wonder if Welsh was gonna play anyway on Saturday against Stoke? I mean it doesn't matter now, but it would of been alarming if he went for Burgess over him. We can all see he needs replacing. These managers, sometimes with their blind unknown loyalty to players is strange. |
Why buy a player then not select him
We’ve done this before
It’s odd
Best example Kyle Joseph ,shockingly treated by us .
He’s doing ok since ,for sure | |
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| Defence on 14:41 - Aug 9 with 4057 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Defence on 12:15 - Aug 9 by jack_lord |
Any updates on Burgess? |
Per Wales Online he was rushed to the hospital with Matos saying "it doesn't look good," further speculating it was an achilles injury. |  |
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| Defence on 14:50 - Aug 9 with 4031 views | raynor94 |
| Defence on 12:58 - Aug 9 by onehunglow |
Why buy a player then not select him
We’ve done this before
It’s odd
Best example Kyle Joseph ,shockingly treated by us .
He’s doing ok since ,for sure |
Matos showed loyalty to Ben and Burgess for yesterday but I belive it wouldn't have been long before Welsh forced his way in but now with Burgess out he's a shoe in
Kyle Joseph showed absolutely nothing when he was here so he moved on it happens but he wasn't shockingly treated |  |
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| Defence on 15:01 - Aug 9 with 3977 views | onehunglow |
| Defence on 14:50 - Aug 9 by raynor94 |
Matos showed loyalty to Ben and Burgess for yesterday but I belive it wouldn't have been long before Welsh forced his way in but now with Burgess out he's a shoe in
Kyle Joseph showed absolutely nothing when he was here so he moved on it happens but he wasn't shockingly treated |
Joseph wasn’t given much playing time so I stand by what I say
One would think Welsh s time is due and he’d better shape up | |
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| Defence on 15:07 - Aug 9 with 3936 views | raynor94 |
| Defence on 15:01 - Aug 9 by onehunglow |
Joseph wasn’t given much playing time so I stand by what I say
One would think Welsh s time is due and he’d better shape up |
In fairness Joseph showed nothing here he had 2 loans at Cheltenham and Oxford and didn't do a lot at either so I don't think anyone complained about him moving to Blackpool | |
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| Defence on 15:11 - Aug 9 with 3927 views | onehunglow |
| Defence on 15:07 - Aug 9 by raynor94 |
In fairness Joseph showed nothing here he had 2 loans at Cheltenham and Oxford and didn't do a lot at either so I don't think anyone complained about him moving to Blackpool |
Call it a draw 
Watching the Fire right now
Slaughter in Leeds so far | |
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| Defence on 15:51 - Aug 9 with 3829 views | GVJack |
Why is the defence any more of a concern than the attack? We only conceded 1 shot on target yesterday, we conceded no goals against Leganes nor Udinese but everyone thinks that's our biggest problem? 🤷♂️
We're lacking intention to go and outscore our opponents by 2/3 goals. We'll always concede, and yes, some will be down to individual errors like we saw yesterday, but the best form of defence is attack, yet it seems our attacking players are getting off Scott free from criticism.
Matos showed last year he can adapt to situations when we go a goal down, and get something out of games, but what I want to see is an attitude of it's ok if you score 1, maybe 2... Because we're going to get 3 or 4 | | | |
| Defence on 16:19 - Aug 9 with 3784 views | Fireboy2 |
| Defence on 15:51 - Aug 9 by GVJack |
Why is the defence any more of a concern than the attack? We only conceded 1 shot on target yesterday, we conceded no goals against Leganes nor Udinese but everyone thinks that's our biggest problem? 🤷♂️
We're lacking intention to go and outscore our opponents by 2/3 goals. We'll always concede, and yes, some will be down to individual errors like we saw yesterday, but the best form of defence is attack, yet it seems our attacking players are getting off Scott free from criticism.
Matos showed last year he can adapt to situations when we go a goal down, and get something out of games, but what I want to see is an attitude of it's ok if you score 1, maybe 2... Because we're going to get 3 or 4 |
Great post, absolutely spot on but you have to understand that some on here only post to moan and it is so easy to pick on defenders and the goalie.
Our attack was great until the final third, I like yourself A am a positive person, it won't be long before our new players start scoring hopefully on Saturday 🤞 |  | | |
| Defence on 16:25 - Aug 9 with 3777 views | onehunglow |
| Defence on 15:51 - Aug 9 by GVJack |
Why is the defence any more of a concern than the attack? We only conceded 1 shot on target yesterday, we conceded no goals against Leganes nor Udinese but everyone thinks that's our biggest problem? 🤷♂️
We're lacking intention to go and outscore our opponents by 2/3 goals. We'll always concede, and yes, some will be down to individual errors like we saw yesterday, but the best form of defence is attack, yet it seems our attacking players are getting off Scott free from criticism.
Matos showed last year he can adapt to situations when we go a goal down, and get something out of games, but what I want to see is an attitude of it's ok if you score 1, maybe 2... Because we're going to get 3 or 4 |
Any more of that and you will be seen as a beacon of negativity
You do , of course, have a point
Meanwhile , talking about negativity this Welsh Fire outfit truly are shameful
Indefensible | |
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| Defence on 17:19 - Aug 9 with 3661 views | GVJack |
| Defence on 16:25 - Aug 9 by onehunglow |
Any more of that and you will be seen as a beacon of negativity
You do , of course, have a point
Meanwhile , talking about negativity this Welsh Fire outfit truly are shameful
Indefensible |
My response wasn't aimed at your thread you've created. No issue with people starting debates and joining In with their own opinions. I just feel we're always focusing on the wrong end of the pitch when it comes to where we may be going wrong.
I really like Matos, he seems a shrewed operator and better tactically than we've had in quite some time, but there are these 'patience' elements to his game which frustrates me. I want to see more ambition this year... Starting with a 0-3 win against Stoke on Saturday 😁 | | | |
| Defence on 17:34 - Aug 9 with 3634 views | onehunglow |
| Defence on 17:19 - Aug 9 by GVJack |
My response wasn't aimed at your thread you've created. No issue with people starting debates and joining In with their own opinions. I just feel we're always focusing on the wrong end of the pitch when it comes to where we may be going wrong.
I really like Matos, he seems a shrewed operator and better tactically than we've had in quite some time, but there are these 'patience' elements to his game which frustrates me. I want to see more ambition this year... Starting with a 0-3 win against Stoke on Saturday 😁 |
I rate your posting highly
It’s a good read
I like Matos as an individual but I have concerns when errors are replicated and not learned from
God knows how many goals we’ve conceded at the end of a half
First half was encouraging yesterday but second was a mirror image of so many games
Anyway , now Stoke | |
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| Defence on 17:58 - Aug 9 with 3563 views | Fireboy2 |
| Defence on 17:34 - Aug 9 by onehunglow |
I rate your posting highly
It’s a good read
I like Matos as an individual but I have concerns when errors are replicated and not learned from
God knows how many goals we’ve conceded at the end of a half
First half was encouraging yesterday but second was a mirror image of so many games
Anyway , now Stoke |
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