| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS 17:22 - Mar 23 with 10177 views | RAFCBLUE |
The Football Association have published the written reasons into Andrew Curran being found guilty of an aggravated breach of FA rules.
You can find this yourself by:
1. Visit: https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/discipline/written-reasons
2. Type 'Curran' in the search box
3. Click search and the PDF then appears at the bottom of the screen
Or simply click this link:
https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/discipline-cases
The Daily Telegraph reported in August 2021:
Jarvis said he himself had been on the “heated” Zoom call and that he could not recall the alleged comments being made by Curran, adding: “I don’t think, if he did say it, that he meant it in the way that it would be perceived.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/08/05/efl-investigating-homophobic-slu
Captain Sabotage at his finest there.
9.3 gives the testimony of a senior EFL official and says:
The meeting was extremely difficult throughout with AC saying words to the effect of “We own 43%, regardless of what you do. If they want to be a load of nancy boys stabbing us in the back that’s up to them”.
9.5 gives the testimony of a senior EFL official and says:
"AC then challenged the EFL and stated words to the effect of “We own 43% regardless of what you do”. This was aimed at the EFL. He went on ‘If they want to be a load of nancy boys stabbing us in the back, that’s up to them”. This was in reference to the RAFC Board.
Reading the document carefully it looks like Jarvis is up to his neck in it.
And that was before he dropped Curran in it to the Daily Telegraph! |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 17:35 - Mar 23 with 6475 views | kel |
“ The meeting took place on 27th July 2021 and was organised and led by representatives from the EFL, along with AC and DR and an individual called Alexandra Jarvis (AJ) who was acting as the broker for AC and DR, as well as a legal representative.” 😂😂
I’m no legal expert but that reads to me like Roger is in a bit of trouble. What a shame. [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 17:36]
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 18:30 - Mar 23 with 6334 views | finberty |
Alexandra is a girls name.
Like Nancy. |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 18:33 - Mar 23 with 6313 views | IOMDale |
‘We own 43% regardless of what you do’.
Rochdale supporters: Hold my pint. |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 18:57 - Mar 23 with 6239 views | SuddenLad |
Pretty damning evidence and his mouth is his worst asset. Whatever he might think, there won't ever be a day when he passes the OADT, and his claimed shareholding isn't worth the paper it's written on. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 18:58 - Mar 23 with 6242 views | Sandyman |
"9.4(a) The previous CEO of RAFC was David Bottomley (DB), who was removed from his role on 1 June 2021. Prior to leaving the club, he was in contact with AC (Andrew Curran) and DR (Darrell Rose) and initiated conversations about selling his shares in RAFC. It has since come to light that DB passed on personal information to AC and DR who have since acquired shares. This was all done without any knowledge of RAFC or any communication with the EFL which would require authorisation under OADT."
Who has been a very naughty boy? |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 19:01 - Mar 23 with 6231 views | UpTheDaleNotForSale |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 19:02 - Mar 23 with 6226 views | RAFCBLUE |
Later that day I wrote to AC, via Alexander Jarvis of Blackbridge Sports to request his availability to be interviewed by the FA in relation to this allegation. On 23 August 2021, I received a response from Mr. Jarvis who had cc’d in AC into the email thread and stated, “Hi James, introducing to you Andrew Curran here via email. Morton House will respond directly.”
Remind us Jarvo, what exactly is the link between Andrew Curran and Morton House?
Is it his family member Denise Valarie Courtnell? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 19:12 - Mar 23 with 6143 views | wozzrafc |
As a preliminary matter, the Commission has considered AC’s challenge that he is not a ‘Participant’ as defined by the FA Disciplinary Regulations. The Commission found unanimously that AC is a participant by virtue of the FA Disciplinary Regulations. This is by
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virtue of the declaration that AC signed within the EFL Owner’s and Directors’ Test that AC signed on 15 July 2021 and is replicated as follows:
“I, the undersigned, understand that by signing and dating this Declaration I acknowledge and agree to be bound by the Regulations of the English Football League. I further acknowledge that as a Relevant Person I am / will become a “Participant” as that term is defined in the Football Association Rules and, as such will be bound by them." (emphasis added).
If I have read that correctly I would assume AC and DC signed the OADT test then they would fall under the jurisdiction of the EFL [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 19:41]
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 19:44 - Mar 23 with 5958 views | Sandyman |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 20:27 - Mar 23 with 5783 views | NorthernDale |
Reading the document, it is clear that Rochdale did nothing wrong and fully followed the rules. So the EFL charges against the club seems weak (I accept, I may be proved wrong in respect to this0 and punishment should be directed to former directors and MH.
Our beloved former CEO seems to be exposed as potentially as the chief plotter, selling his shares, breaking the law in respect to data protection, which should reported to the relevant body. The fact he tried to buy shares in the new share issue, to no doubt to assist MH and Southall to gain control of the club,makes his position worse. What I find incredible is that having been caught out previously with Hasbro in breaking the regulations in respect to pricing fixing, he then goes onto data protection rules. He must be finished, if the EFL find him guilty and the document seems to indicate his guilt.
The document also suggests to me, that Curran's inappropriate language, constantly according in his responses to the EFL, says a lot about the man. I remember an old saying 'you can take the person out of the slum, but you cannot take the slum out of the person'. Curran appears to be a man, who after being exposed for acting like the rules did not apply to him or Morton House and when asked about the business and his income source, he refused to co-operate and even the EFL seem to have had doubts about Morton House financial background. Moreover his arrogant attitude of 'we own 43% regardless of what you do', reveals a man who does not like to be challenged and is the behaviour of bully and not the behaviour of a respected businessman. Even the document described his 'bombastic, confrontational manner and responded to several questions defensively', which suggest a level of deceitfulness and this poses why, would a honest businessman act in this way?
One thing, I found interesting the reference to his son and daughter, there was virtually no mention of his son on the forum and I cannot remember the mention of his daughter, I did know he had a daughter. [Post edited 23 Mar 2022 20:43]
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 07:12 - Mar 24 with 5200 views | RAFCBLUE |
Aside from all the useful facts that the Football Association’s written reasons yesterday openly disclosed in the public domain my key takeaway is that two senior EFL officials contributed to the evidence for this.
When you read in 9.5(d) an EFL representative quoted as saying:
” AC then challenged the EFL and stated words to the effect of “We own 43% regardless of what you do”. This was aimed at the EFL.”
This highlights the EFL have a massive problem with their rules and enforcement of them if they report Andrew Curran saying things like that in a closed meeting that somehow the EFL’s rules don’t apply to Andrew Curran / Morton House.
We do have to credit Captain Sabotage Alexander Jarvis with the assist here. The written reasons label Jarvo Andrew Curran’s “legal representative”
I asked AC for an email address to put this request to him in writing, to which he requested for me to email his legal representative, Alexander Jarvis of Blackbridge Sports, rather than emailing him directly.
Alexander Jarvis - the only legal representative who’ll guarantee you end up in the dock! | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 08:45 - Mar 24 with 5029 views | wozzrafc |
The interesting thing for me is how this document highlights the web of lies which were being told.
Here is an example
Section 9.1
Having acquired the shares, AC and DR became aware that they were required to pass the EFL's Owners and Directors Test (“OADT”) and subsequently submitted the OADT declaration forms to the EFL
Section 9.4
AC and DR who have since acquired shares. This was all done without any knowledge ofRAFC or any communication with the EFL which would require authorisation under OADT.
AC and DR subsequently did submit OADT forms to RAFC. However, there was a slight delay in submitting these forms. Once the forms were submitted to the EFL, the EFL scheduled a meeting on 27 July 2021.
Section 10
The Commission found unanimously that AC is a participant by virtue of the FA Disciplinary Regulations. This is by
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virtue of the declaration that AC signed within the EFL Owner’s and Directors’ Test that AC signed on 15 July 2021 and is replicated as follows:
“I, the undersigned, understand that by signing and dating this Declaration I acknowledge and agree to be bound by the Regulations of the English Football League. I further acknowledge that as a Relevant Person I am / will become a “Participant” as that term is defined in the Football Association Rules and, as such will be bound by them." (emphasis added).
Now looking that you would assume that Curran purchased the shares without him or his football advisor not knowing they needed to pass a test with the Relevant governing body the EFL.
On finding out they rushed to comply and finally signed the form on the 15th July then submitted to RAFC.
A simple mistake anyone can make. (Not a great advert for a supposed football broker not knowing the rules)
Ahhhhhhh but think back to how the EFL were alerted and what triggered the investigation!!
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/273927/efl-statement-about
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/274018/tonight%E2%80%99s-t
When Curran met with the trust on 6th July he told them he’d proved to the EFL proof of funds and complied with the OADT tests.
But we now know for a fact he hadn’t even signed the forms over a week later telling the club and the EFL he didn’t know they existed.
That’s the problem when you tell different lies to different people. You have to remember what story you told to what people. Or it could come back to bite you on the arse like signing and dating a form that A) agrees to be bound by the jurisdiction of the governing body, and B) is date stamped proving when you actually filled it in. [Post edited 24 Mar 2022 9:05]
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 10:03 - Mar 24 with 4848 views | jacko_dale |
Probably shouldn't come as a surprise but it's almost impressive how much Curran really comes across as a thoroughly unpleasant bloke in that document. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 10:06 - Mar 24 with 4844 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 08:45 - Mar 24 by wozzrafc |
The interesting thing for me is how this document highlights the web of lies which were being told.
Here is an example
Section 9.1
Having acquired the shares, AC and DR became aware that they were required to pass the EFL's Owners and Directors Test (“OADT”) and subsequently submitted the OADT declaration forms to the EFL
Section 9.4
AC and DR who have since acquired shares. This was all done without any knowledge ofRAFC or any communication with the EFL which would require authorisation under OADT.
AC and DR subsequently did submit OADT forms to RAFC. However, there was a slight delay in submitting these forms. Once the forms were submitted to the EFL, the EFL scheduled a meeting on 27 July 2021.
Section 10
The Commission found unanimously that AC is a participant by virtue of the FA Disciplinary Regulations. This is by
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virtue of the declaration that AC signed within the EFL Owner’s and Directors’ Test that AC signed on 15 July 2021 and is replicated as follows:
“I, the undersigned, understand that by signing and dating this Declaration I acknowledge and agree to be bound by the Regulations of the English Football League. I further acknowledge that as a Relevant Person I am / will become a “Participant” as that term is defined in the Football Association Rules and, as such will be bound by them." (emphasis added).
Now looking that you would assume that Curran purchased the shares without him or his football advisor not knowing they needed to pass a test with the Relevant governing body the EFL.
On finding out they rushed to comply and finally signed the form on the 15th July then submitted to RAFC.
A simple mistake anyone can make. (Not a great advert for a supposed football broker not knowing the rules)
Ahhhhhhh but think back to how the EFL were alerted and what triggered the investigation!!
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/273927/efl-statement-about
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/274018/tonight%E2%80%99s-t
When Curran met with the trust on 6th July he told them he’d proved to the EFL proof of funds and complied with the OADT tests.
But we now know for a fact he hadn’t even signed the forms over a week later telling the club and the EFL he didn’t know they existed.
That’s the problem when you tell different lies to different people. You have to remember what story you told to what people. Or it could come back to bite you on the arse like signing and dating a form that A) agrees to be bound by the jurisdiction of the governing body, and B) is date stamped proving when you actually filled it in. [Post edited 24 Mar 2022 9:05]
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You also have to question the role played by the former CE in the sale if shares by 6 individuals.
You would expect that the Chief Executive of a member club of the EFL would understand the rules that applied to being a member, including protocols surrounding share ownership.
But it doesn't surprise me he was so shoddy. Anyone remember his bleating about us having to pay policing costs at Newcastle? He clearly didn't know the rules of the competition he had entered the club into.
I can empathise with Andrew Currans' anger ( but not his choice of words), when it became apparent his cash was wasted based on advice received. To be fair, Mr Curran, we did tell you Bottomley is a tvvat. |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 10:29 - Mar 24 with 4739 views | DaleiLama |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 10:06 - Mar 24 by judd |
You also have to question the role played by the former CE in the sale if shares by 6 individuals.
You would expect that the Chief Executive of a member club of the EFL would understand the rules that applied to being a member, including protocols surrounding share ownership.
But it doesn't surprise me he was so shoddy. Anyone remember his bleating about us having to pay policing costs at Newcastle? He clearly didn't know the rules of the competition he had entered the club into.
I can empathise with Andrew Currans' anger ( but not his choice of words), when it became apparent his cash was wasted based on advice received. To be fair, Mr Curran, we did tell you Bottomley is a tvvat. |
And so say all of us!
He couldn't even put a few cheese n chut sarnies on for the visitors @ KFC Fylde, so anything more complex than that is a pipe dream. Don't say you weren't warned Fylde. Wonder if he's been served with papers yet? |  |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:06 - Mar 24 with 4578 views | BigKindo |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 10:06 - Mar 24 by judd |
You also have to question the role played by the former CE in the sale if shares by 6 individuals.
You would expect that the Chief Executive of a member club of the EFL would understand the rules that applied to being a member, including protocols surrounding share ownership.
But it doesn't surprise me he was so shoddy. Anyone remember his bleating about us having to pay policing costs at Newcastle? He clearly didn't know the rules of the competition he had entered the club into.
I can empathise with Andrew Currans' anger ( but not his choice of words), when it became apparent his cash was wasted based on advice received. To be fair, Mr Curran, we did tell you Bottomley is a tvvat. |
You would also have thought that Jarvis as M.H. 'legal adviser' and who claims to have been involved with investors at other EFL clubs should have been aware of EFL regulations. |  | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:18 - Mar 24 with 4521 views | wozzrafc |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:06 - Mar 24 by BigKindo |
You would also have thought that Jarvis as M.H. 'legal adviser' and who claims to have been involved with investors at other EFL clubs should have been aware of EFL regulations. |
I don’t for one minute believe either of them didn’t know of the requirements to comply with the OADT.
I can only speculate that the plan all along would be secure 50% of the shares before any one associated with the club realises they have lost control or can do anything about it, then work on getting though the OADT test.
They got found our because the trust statement repeated the lies they were told, which alerted the EFL to start asking questions. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:27 - Mar 24 with 4467 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:06 - Mar 24 by BigKindo |
You would also have thought that Jarvis as M.H. 'legal adviser' and who claims to have been involved with investors at other EFL clubs should have been aware of EFL regulations. |
Indeed, so that begs the question if the erstwhile CE did know and understand the rules surrounding the acquisition of shares, did he just adopt a caveat emptor attitude and sod the consequences for Mr Curran? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:49 - Mar 24 with 4390 views | SuddenLad |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:27 - Mar 24 by judd |
Indeed, so that begs the question if the erstwhile CE did know and understand the rules surrounding the acquisition of shares, did he just adopt a caveat emptor attitude and sod the consequences for Mr Curran? |
Or was he conspiring with others to circumvent the rules, by waiting for the 51% holding to be secured, before submitting any documentation, in the hope that it would all go through swimmingly and be simply be 'rubber-stamped?
Being charitable, you could say that IF that was the plan, it was very naive.
Others however, may say it was an attempt at criminal deception, whereby a major fraud, using dirty money would result in the ultimate demise of RAFC.
The truth is slowly emerging. We shall see. | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:52 - Mar 24 with 4390 views | judd |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:49 - Mar 24 by SuddenLad |
Or was he conspiring with others to circumvent the rules, by waiting for the 51% holding to be secured, before submitting any documentation, in the hope that it would all go through swimmingly and be simply be 'rubber-stamped?
Being charitable, you could say that IF that was the plan, it was very naive.
Others however, may say it was an attempt at criminal deception, whereby a major fraud, using dirty money would result in the ultimate demise of RAFC.
The truth is slowly emerging. We shall see. |
Criminality eh? | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 12:22 - Mar 24 with 4298 views | wozzrafc |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 08:45 - Mar 24 by wozzrafc |
The interesting thing for me is how this document highlights the web of lies which were being told.
Here is an example
Section 9.1
Having acquired the shares, AC and DR became aware that they were required to pass the EFL's Owners and Directors Test (“OADT”) and subsequently submitted the OADT declaration forms to the EFL
Section 9.4
AC and DR who have since acquired shares. This was all done without any knowledge ofRAFC or any communication with the EFL which would require authorisation under OADT.
AC and DR subsequently did submit OADT forms to RAFC. However, there was a slight delay in submitting these forms. Once the forms were submitted to the EFL, the EFL scheduled a meeting on 27 July 2021.
Section 10
The Commission found unanimously that AC is a participant by virtue of the FA Disciplinary Regulations. This is by
5
virtue of the declaration that AC signed within the EFL Owner’s and Directors’ Test that AC signed on 15 July 2021 and is replicated as follows:
“I, the undersigned, understand that by signing and dating this Declaration I acknowledge and agree to be bound by the Regulations of the English Football League. I further acknowledge that as a Relevant Person I am / will become a “Participant” as that term is defined in the Football Association Rules and, as such will be bound by them." (emphasis added).
Now looking that you would assume that Curran purchased the shares without him or his football advisor not knowing they needed to pass a test with the Relevant governing body the EFL.
On finding out they rushed to comply and finally signed the form on the 15th July then submitted to RAFC.
A simple mistake anyone can make. (Not a great advert for a supposed football broker not knowing the rules)
Ahhhhhhh but think back to how the EFL were alerted and what triggered the investigation!!
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/273927/efl-statement-about
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/rochdale/forum/274018/tonight%E2%80%99s-t
When Curran met with the trust on 6th July he told them he’d proved to the EFL proof of funds and complied with the OADT tests.
But we now know for a fact he hadn’t even signed the forms over a week later telling the club and the EFL he didn’t know they existed.
That’s the problem when you tell different lies to different people. You have to remember what story you told to what people. Or it could come back to bite you on the arse like signing and dating a form that A) agrees to be bound by the jurisdiction of the governing body, and B) is date stamped proving when you actually filled it in. [Post edited 24 Mar 2022 9:05]
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Cast your mind back to the aljazeera documentary it was the same there they see the OADT as a box ticking exercise and deal with it when they need to. They don’t see it as a problem and they believe they can sail through. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 14:30 - Mar 24 with 3993 views | finberty |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 11:27 - Mar 24 by judd |
Indeed, so that begs the question if the erstwhile CE did know and understand the rules surrounding the acquisition of shares, did he just adopt a caveat emptor attitude and sod the consequences for Mr Curran? |
'Conflict of interest' doesn't come close to describing this. As one of the five main financial beneficiaries of this exercise, I bet DB couldn't make the entire transaction go fast enough.
Oddly, it seems to be the Board and Trust that are being sued by the losers in this fiasco. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 15:25 - Mar 24 with 3815 views | EllDale |
What I still can't really get my head round is how Bottomley did all this when he didn't stand to make an absolute fortune personally.
12,500 shares x £12 wouldn't have set him up for life. | | | |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 15:41 - Mar 24 with 3755 views | James1980 |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 15:25 - Mar 24 by EllDale |
What I still can't really get my head round is how Bottomley did all this when he didn't stand to make an absolute fortune personally.
12,500 shares x £12 wouldn't have set him up for life. |
Because the arrogant onanist never thought his little scheme would fail. That he would have been reinstated as a senior employee at the club by Morton House earning a hefty salary | |
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| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 16:05 - Mar 24 with 3654 views | kel |
| MORTON HOUSE / Andrew Curran WRITTEN REASONS on 15:41 - Mar 24 by James1980 |
Because the arrogant onanist never thought his little scheme would fail. That he would have been reinstated as a senior employee at the club by Morton House earning a hefty salary |
I reckon he wasn’t the only one who though that.
Anyway, can’t stop. My tea is in the oven and I don’t want it to go Black and Burn. | |
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