| Covid player restrictions 19:13 - Aug 22 with 3850 views | Dalenet |
I admit that I didn't pay much attention to the rules imposed on the Premiership or play-off teams over summer. But what restrictions will Dale players be under for the season?
I am assuming that the Bio bubbles that were seen with Test Cricket are out. But are players restricted in other ways - can't travel in the same car for training, can't room share anymore when staying as a team in a hotel, can they all sit on the same coach and meet covid safe workplace regulations? I am just intrigued as it will be a nightmare to manage to keep everybody safe. And the club costs for travel will be inflated significantly
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| Covid player restrictions on 20:05 - Aug 22 with 3005 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Good questions......
Am I right in understanding the players are tested every week (EFL foot the bill) for Corvid?
That itself will give a bit of re-assurance.
Having just had another CV19 test this week myself,it's still very unpleasant though. | | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 20:09 - Aug 22 with 2998 views | nordenblue |
The more you see and hear its an absolute load of bollox all this at this stage,why wouldn't players be allowed to travel in the same cars,they are literally side by side sweating over each other nearly every day not to mention match day when they're then touching upto 20 other players especially in pre season where it can be a different team each half.
It's physically impossible to keep any distance and everybody "safe" whilst doing anything remotely connected to football.
To be honest the whole thing doesn't quite ring true the more you hear about it all. | | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 20:19 - Aug 22 with 2981 views | Nigeriamark |
| Covid player restrictions on 20:09 - Aug 22 by nordenblue |
The more you see and hear its an absolute load of bollox all this at this stage,why wouldn't players be allowed to travel in the same cars,they are literally side by side sweating over each other nearly every day not to mention match day when they're then touching upto 20 other players especially in pre season where it can be a different team each half.
It's physically impossible to keep any distance and everybody "safe" whilst doing anything remotely connected to football.
To be honest the whole thing doesn't quite ring true the more you hear about it all. |
If you travel in a car you are likely to be in close contact for 15 minutes or more, in an inside situation which are 2 of the critical factors in the spread. On a pitch you are more likely to have fleeting encounters where you are in close contact for a matter of seconds, and in an outside situation. The changing room is another situation so not sure how they are handling that as quite easy to be together for 15 minutes & indoors. I see that clubs have to have 2 separate ways out to the pitch so the teams don't come out together |  | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 20:39 - Aug 22 with 2938 views | nordenblue |
| Covid player restrictions on 20:19 - Aug 22 by Nigeriamark |
If you travel in a car you are likely to be in close contact for 15 minutes or more, in an inside situation which are 2 of the critical factors in the spread. On a pitch you are more likely to have fleeting encounters where you are in close contact for a matter of seconds, and in an outside situation. The changing room is another situation so not sure how they are handling that as quite easy to be together for 15 minutes & indoors. I see that clubs have to have 2 separate ways out to the pitch so the teams don't come out together |
So the teams have to come out separate ways but then spend all game trying to stand as close as possible next to a player to mark him, that makes perfect sense,
Its all a token gesture,if it was all about safety being a priority they wouldn't even be contemplating kicking a football yet nevermind competitive games,its absolutely laughable [Post edited 22 Aug 2020 20:43]
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| Covid player restrictions on 20:42 - Aug 22 with 2926 views | fitzochris |
| Covid player restrictions on 20:05 - Aug 22 by Yorkshire_Dale |
Good questions......
Am I right in understanding the players are tested every week (EFL foot the bill) for Corvid?
That itself will give a bit of re-assurance.
Having just had another CV19 test this week myself,it's still very unpleasant though. |
I don’t think the EFL foot the bill for testing. Last I heard, they will deduct the cost from other monies they give to league clubs. |  |
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| Covid player restrictions on 21:21 - Aug 22 with 2848 views | mingthemerciless |
I watched the Catalans v Wakefield Rugby League game today. Scrums are banned but tackles were 3 or 4 guys pile into an opponent are ok. Plus the obligatory punch up. | | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 21:41 - Aug 22 with 2804 views | Dalenet |
| Covid player restrictions on 20:39 - Aug 22 by nordenblue |
So the teams have to come out separate ways but then spend all game trying to stand as close as possible next to a player to mark him, that makes perfect sense,
Its all a token gesture,if it was all about safety being a priority they wouldn't even be contemplating kicking a football yet nevermind competitive games,its absolutely laughable [Post edited 22 Aug 2020 20:43]
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It does all feel a bit strange. I get that players and club staff are regularly tested, but they spend time at home mixing with friends and family, go shopping and nip to the pub, (unless you live in Rochdale) then come in to the club each day to train. They can't sit next to somebody on a public bus or train but you can on a team bus. They can't come out of the tunnel together or sit on a team bench, but can sit on the team bus.
Sounds like a Boris communique ....... | | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 21:59 - Aug 22 with 2770 views | D_Alien |
Professional sports teams, whether it's football, cricket, rugby or whatever, will be required to mix only with their team-mates plus other teams who're all being regularly tested
Outside of that, they'll be required to maintain strict guidelines within their own family or household. It's very much in their interests to maintain that, to enable them and their team-mates to continue playing. (Example: Jofra Archer penalised for breaching guidelines when travelling between venues.)
However much people feel like moaning, the simple fact is that it's working. A small number of cases have arisen (e.g. Huddersfield) but in the context of the huge amount of sport now taking place, these cases are very small. But... as per Huddersfield, they can still happen. I'm not sure what there is to speculate about? |  |
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| Covid player restrictions on 22:37 - Aug 22 with 2719 views | DaleiLama |
| Covid player restrictions on 21:21 - Aug 22 by mingthemerciless |
I watched the Catalans v Wakefield Rugby League game today. Scrums are banned but tackles were 3 or 4 guys pile into an opponent are ok. Plus the obligatory punch up. |
Heard physical contact in footy is 2% whilst rugby is 43%. Don't know who does the analysis but seems reasonable |  |
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| Covid player restrictions on 22:53 - Aug 22 with 2688 views | 442Dale |
| Covid player restrictions on 22:37 - Aug 22 by DaleiLama |
Heard physical contact in footy is 2% whilst rugby is 43%. Don't know who does the analysis but seems reasonable |
It reduces to 0.5% when we are defending set pieces. |  |
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| Covid player restrictions on 22:55 - Aug 22 with 2681 views | nordenblue |
| Covid player restrictions on 21:59 - Aug 22 by D_Alien |
Professional sports teams, whether it's football, cricket, rugby or whatever, will be required to mix only with their team-mates plus other teams who're all being regularly tested
Outside of that, they'll be required to maintain strict guidelines within their own family or household. It's very much in their interests to maintain that, to enable them and their team-mates to continue playing. (Example: Jofra Archer penalised for breaching guidelines when travelling between venues.)
However much people feel like moaning, the simple fact is that it's working. A small number of cases have arisen (e.g. Huddersfield) but in the context of the huge amount of sport now taking place, these cases are very small. But... as per Huddersfield, they can still happen. I'm not sure what there is to speculate about? |
That clearly not the case, Harry Maguire's a prime example currently abroad and in a whole world of trouble it seems,that's not only mixing with team mates,he's been in at least 2 airports and on an aircraft absolute minimum not to mention whoever else hes been in contact with police,court etc during this episode. I saw him today walking out of court with 4 others,id guess they aren't all in his "bubble"
Edit.. it seems rugby players aren't exempt either 6 Hull players and 2 members of staff tested positive after a game against Salford only last week.
Its clearly happening at the very top of the game there's a certainty about it being common place all over, its absolutely farcical [Post edited 22 Aug 2020 22:58]
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| Covid player restrictions on 23:30 - Aug 22 with 2631 views | D_Alien |
| Covid player restrictions on 22:55 - Aug 22 by nordenblue |
That clearly not the case, Harry Maguire's a prime example currently abroad and in a whole world of trouble it seems,that's not only mixing with team mates,he's been in at least 2 airports and on an aircraft absolute minimum not to mention whoever else hes been in contact with police,court etc during this episode. I saw him today walking out of court with 4 others,id guess they aren't all in his "bubble"
Edit.. it seems rugby players aren't exempt either 6 Hull players and 2 members of staff tested positive after a game against Salford only last week.
Its clearly happening at the very top of the game there's a certainty about it being common place all over, its absolutely farcical [Post edited 22 Aug 2020 22:58]
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Clearly, Harry McGuire's on the current version of a "close season" break, and when he returns to training for 20/21 will go through the same hoops once again (providing he's not guilty!)
The issue in this thread is what restrictions sports people are under, whilst actively engaged. There's nothing farcical about it
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| Covid player restrictions on 07:56 - Aug 23 with 2467 views | Boss_Hog |
Clubs have to pay for their own tests at a cost of £100 per test. If you think that includes non-playing staff as well, the bill every 7 days will for the foreseeable future, will be a hefty one when clubs are already struggling. | | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 08:14 - Aug 23 with 2444 views | nordenblue |
| Covid player restrictions on 23:30 - Aug 22 by D_Alien |
Clearly, Harry McGuire's on the current version of a "close season" break, and when he returns to training for 20/21 will go through the same hoops once again (providing he's not guilty!)
The issue in this thread is what restrictions sports people are under, whilst actively engaged. There's nothing farcical about it
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If 6 professional sportsmen from the same team are tested positive following a competitive match only a week ago, the apparent "restrictions sports people are under" are clearly pretty farcical, its impossible to distance during competitive sports for obvious reasons, all this touching elbows rather than shaking hands to prevent the spread is about as much use as a condom at a baby shower.
As mentioned before these "restrictions" are just a token gesture, they arent working clearly.... [Post edited 23 Aug 2020 9:00]
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| Covid player restrictions on 09:51 - Aug 23 with 2334 views | isitme |
It is not just player restrictions, but compare these two cases. It almost appears that low hanging, easy fruit is being picked, whilst others can 'get away' with it. [Post edited 23 Aug 2020 9:55]
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| Covid player restrictions on 09:56 - Aug 23 with 2323 views | 442Dale |
| Covid player restrictions on 08:14 - Aug 23 by nordenblue |
If 6 professional sportsmen from the same team are tested positive following a competitive match only a week ago, the apparent "restrictions sports people are under" are clearly pretty farcical, its impossible to distance during competitive sports for obvious reasons, all this touching elbows rather than shaking hands to prevent the spread is about as much use as a condom at a baby shower.
As mentioned before these "restrictions" are just a token gesture, they arent working clearly.... [Post edited 23 Aug 2020 9:00]
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Isn’t it like everywhere though? Pubs/shops/workplaces, it’s about trying to find the most effective ways of carrying on as safely as possible. There won’t ever be anything perfect that eradicates all risk, so the challenge is to find a way to make an environment as safe as it can be.
For all we know, a football training ground might be ten times more secure than a warehouse with all the cleaning, equipment and testing available. In the main, it comes down to taking personal responsibility because as seen at Aberdeen, all it takes is people to do what they want and it causes significant issues. But again, that could be the case in that warehouse or office or shop. | |
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| Covid player restrictions on 10:10 - Aug 23 with 2290 views | DaleiLama |
| Covid player restrictions on 22:53 - Aug 22 by 442Dale |
It reduces to 0.5% when we are defending set pieces. |
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| Covid player restrictions on 10:28 - Aug 23 with 2256 views | DaleiLama |
| Covid player restrictions on 09:56 - Aug 23 by 442Dale |
Isn’t it like everywhere though? Pubs/shops/workplaces, it’s about trying to find the most effective ways of carrying on as safely as possible. There won’t ever be anything perfect that eradicates all risk, so the challenge is to find a way to make an environment as safe as it can be.
For all we know, a football training ground might be ten times more secure than a warehouse with all the cleaning, equipment and testing available. In the main, it comes down to taking personal responsibility because as seen at Aberdeen, all it takes is people to do what they want and it causes significant issues. But again, that could be the case in that warehouse or office or shop. |
Laws and rules always have and always will be broken. Thankfully only by a minority. Fully agree about personal responsibility, which like good manners becomes less common with each subsequent generation. Also, we have to remember the young are indestructible and live forever (we've all been there).
There are also no hard and fast rules about what works and what doesn't when living with Covid as we all have experienced. Every day is stress testing (in more ways than one) and suck it and see to a large extent. Baby steps forward and brakes on if anything isn't working. Anyone not following that is stupid. Equally, the world can't shutdown forever. Only tightrope walkers need apply to try to manage this set of circumstances. Bit like being BBM really? | |
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| Covid player restrictions on 12:10 - Aug 23 with 2125 views | mightydale |
| Covid player restrictions on 09:51 - Aug 23 by isitme |
It is not just player restrictions, but compare these two cases. It almost appears that low hanging, easy fruit is being picked, whilst others can 'get away' with it. [Post edited 23 Aug 2020 9:55]
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1 rule for 1, 1 rule for the rest. |  |
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| Covid player restrictions on 12:14 - Aug 23 with 2114 views | nordenblue |
| Covid player restrictions on 09:56 - Aug 23 by 442Dale |
Isn’t it like everywhere though? Pubs/shops/workplaces, it’s about trying to find the most effective ways of carrying on as safely as possible. There won’t ever be anything perfect that eradicates all risk, so the challenge is to find a way to make an environment as safe as it can be.
For all we know, a football training ground might be ten times more secure than a warehouse with all the cleaning, equipment and testing available. In the main, it comes down to taking personal responsibility because as seen at Aberdeen, all it takes is people to do what they want and it causes significant issues. But again, that could be the case in that warehouse or office or shop. |
Absolutely and thats exactly why they shouldn't have bothered opening pubs,restaurants etc until folk can at least "legally" meet up with others.
To tell folk they can't meet in their own garden whilst safely apart yet its perfectly fine to go to a pub surrounded by pissed up strangers not giving a monkeys come pint number 3/4 is nothing but ridiculous, ive driven passed many a beer garden and seen groups of guys(generally) all sat around a bench like nothings happened, but God forbid you let your gran come and have a brew in your garden, its fooking madness and not in the least bit surprising lots of folk don't give a toss any more. | | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 12:17 - Aug 23 with 2111 views | D_Alien |
| Covid player restrictions on 08:14 - Aug 23 by nordenblue |
If 6 professional sportsmen from the same team are tested positive following a competitive match only a week ago, the apparent "restrictions sports people are under" are clearly pretty farcical, its impossible to distance during competitive sports for obvious reasons, all this touching elbows rather than shaking hands to prevent the spread is about as much use as a condom at a baby shower.
As mentioned before these "restrictions" are just a token gesture, they arent working clearly.... [Post edited 23 Aug 2020 9:00]
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That's no problem then, let's just stop all sport, and further restrict all other activity that involves coming into anything like contact with other people (see 442's post); pubs, restaurants, workplaces, schools, shops, public transport, you name it - until it meets the specification that you deem not to be farcical
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| Covid player restrictions on 13:44 - Aug 23 with 2042 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Covid player restrictions on 12:14 - Aug 23 by nordenblue |
Absolutely and thats exactly why they shouldn't have bothered opening pubs,restaurants etc until folk can at least "legally" meet up with others.
To tell folk they can't meet in their own garden whilst safely apart yet its perfectly fine to go to a pub surrounded by pissed up strangers not giving a monkeys come pint number 3/4 is nothing but ridiculous, ive driven passed many a beer garden and seen groups of guys(generally) all sat around a bench like nothings happened, but God forbid you let your gran come and have a brew in your garden, its fooking madness and not in the least bit surprising lots of folk don't give a toss any more. |
That’s why most people don’t take any notice of govt advice, because it truly doesn’t make sense. I said a few months ago I would behave in a way that suits me without taking stupid risks. Did bus/ train to hebden bridge yesterday, but chose to sit outside at the pubs- bit damp, but felt safe. I’ll have family round for tea tomorrow. Ive managed to avoid going raving. |  |
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| Covid player restrictions on 13:55 - Aug 23 with 2024 views | 442Dale |
| Covid player restrictions on 12:14 - Aug 23 by nordenblue |
Absolutely and thats exactly why they shouldn't have bothered opening pubs,restaurants etc until folk can at least "legally" meet up with others.
To tell folk they can't meet in their own garden whilst safely apart yet its perfectly fine to go to a pub surrounded by pissed up strangers not giving a monkeys come pint number 3/4 is nothing but ridiculous, ive driven passed many a beer garden and seen groups of guys(generally) all sat around a bench like nothings happened, but God forbid you let your gran come and have a brew in your garden, its fooking madness and not in the least bit surprising lots of folk don't give a toss any more. |
And all we can control is how we choose to behave. We’re all aware of the restrictions, we might not agree with them/find some confusing and contradictory but it’s still down to taking some responsibility. The whole “well they’re doing A, so I should be able to do B” thing achieves very little, comparisons between two situations are almost pointless as the variables involved are so complex. Making informed choices, both individually and as part of sectors like the shops, work places or even football, is probably the best route forward at the moment, but it’s a forever shifting playing field. | |
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| Covid player restrictions on 14:15 - Aug 23 with 1991 views | Nigeriamark |
| Covid player restrictions on 13:44 - Aug 23 by rochdaleriddler |
That’s why most people don’t take any notice of govt advice, because it truly doesn’t make sense. I said a few months ago I would behave in a way that suits me without taking stupid risks. Did bus/ train to hebden bridge yesterday, but chose to sit outside at the pubs- bit damp, but felt safe. I’ll have family round for tea tomorrow. Ive managed to avoid going raving. |
Fox & goose at Hebden Bridge? Only reopened last week but spent part of lockdown doing up the outside beer garden. Very nice & a good pint too. Pictish Gold is their standard at 3.20 a pint | | | |
| Covid player restrictions on 14:17 - Aug 23 with 1988 views | nordenblue |
| Covid player restrictions on 13:44 - Aug 23 by rochdaleriddler |
That’s why most people don’t take any notice of govt advice, because it truly doesn’t make sense. I said a few months ago I would behave in a way that suits me without taking stupid risks. Did bus/ train to hebden bridge yesterday, but chose to sit outside at the pubs- bit damp, but felt safe. I’ll have family round for tea tomorrow. Ive managed to avoid going raving. |
This is absolutely me, ive been told I'm perfectly fine to work in strangers houses and crack on all the way through this pandemic but not to see my family for the majority,go figure that one out.... "hi mum I'll come and see you as long,but i must plaster a wall while I'm there" | | | |
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