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Earl Spencer
at 08:35 23 Sep 2026

For an historian, Charles Spencer has been careless with some matters of detail, and it may cost him.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/
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Dear me
at 03:07 23 Sep 2026

Looks like the occupants of the dinghy, along with the multi-million welfare bill that 60 migrants bring, were "transferred" to the UK.

https://www.dailymail.com/news

See also the coach motorcade video clip on the "patriots" thread
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Has Burnham focussed yet on the National debt?
at 20:33 22 Sep 2026

Isn't the distinction most people draw that between non-contributory benefits and contributory benefits, with the latter requiring beneficiaries to accumulate credits or make payments over many years to establish eligibility?
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Dear me
at 17:34 22 Sep 2026

Reports of another mega dinghy on the way from the Normandy area to the south coast today. According to the radio news the dinghy. lost speed and stopped making headway for a period. It will be interesting to see if the French escort vessel again assists the migrants to get underway again, as is rumoured to have happened with the Portsmouth mega dinghy. There are rumours of two RNLI vessels on their way to the Channel mid point. I'm sorry but I do not consider a prearranged rendezvous to provide a taxi service to be a "rescue".
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Has Burnham focussed yet on the National debt?
at 17:11 22 Sep 2026

Going back to the debt, things don't look great.

https://www.theguardian.com/bu

https://debt-clock.org/
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Nato seem happy
at 19:35 20 Sep 2026

Guess we will know the details of the deal soon. The rumour is that it resembles the 1951 deal but that Greenland itself had more input compared with the bilateral 1951 agreement between the US and Denmark. The thing to watch out for is whether Trump managed to negotiate access to natural resources (minerals etc) in return for the security guarantee, and if that aspect is fair.
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Tymon
at 12:03 20 Sep 2026

Tymon has had a poor game and I'd cut him some slack on this occasion. He can't afford to misjudge too many balls over the top though if he wants to keep his starting place.
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Lincoln City v Swansea City : Match Thread
at 17:03 19 Sep 2026

Very good result but not quite firing on all cylinders. We seemed too willing to go into a passive mode. except for the period just after half-time when no doubt the manager's words were still ringing in the players' ears.
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Lincoln City v Swansea City : Match Thread
at 15:44 19 Sep 2026

I was going to say a disappointingly passive half with no drive from midfield but an okay defensive performance. Unfortunately, Tymon then got out-muscled and missed a routine long ball. It was a soft pen but poor play in handling a ball over the top. No real threat upfront. One positive is that Just has looked better today.
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Most unfriendly part of UK
at 09:35 19 Sep 2026

Llandeilo isn't a bad place for a day out - nice eateries and a few unusual shops - like a chocolate shop. The nearby Dynevor castle and house are impressive.

I've had the odd uncomfortable experience in North Wales - once in Llanrwst for example, but I would nominate Dundee in Scotland. There are a lot of city pubs where a seemingly English accent doesn't go down well - something that rankled with me as I had moved there from Wales. I am talking about years ago, so may be different now,
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Here we go again
at 08:03 19 Sep 2026

It isn't just the people near the bottom who are unhappy; the Government also seems to be driving away those who have the dosh. The Laffer Curve has real-world effects;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/art

On another topic in the thread, I know we are all peed off with Trump, but some posters underestimate Iran's malign character. It didn't enrich uranium to 60% because it wanted to produce medical isotopes. Then there is its strategy of supporting proxies to dominate the Middle East. I think the West appeased Iran for too long. Kicking the can down the road did not work.
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Patriots at Dover
at 12:34 18 Sep 2026

Can't help thinking that the long-term aim is to severely reduce private car ownership to the point where only the elite have this privilege. Is an over-populated country like Singapore the shape of things to come?
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Unbelievable…
at 12:26 18 Sep 2026

The CoE just can't get it right. If it is not men who turn a blind eye to sexual abuse, it is a woman whose head is so full of woke ideas that she makes an embarrassing blunder like this. The Bishop of Dover is another of similar ilk.
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Passport to Piddington
at 18:46 17 Sep 2026

The socially-liberal dissenter from Piddington does seem to have a stake in the game..

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Cost of each return under one-in-one out deal with France is about £56K
at 12:05 17 Sep 2026

Re the Telegraph point, it would have been easy enough to find a direct quote from an official source as the Minister made statements in the Dáil Éireann. The point is that the claim about a Rwanda effect came from Irish Ministers in relevant departments of state.

Yes, the finding of the 24% fall in arrivals (on a viable day) was not statistically significant at the level set, but reflects the limited size of the data set and is still highly suggestive. Wood writes: "The lack of statistical significance in some of the findings of this analysis may not necessarily mean the associations are unimportant, but just that there is currently insufficient statistical power with the available data". The weather factor is already built into the multivariate model by identifying "viable days". We know that weather is one of the most powerful factors, but are interested in whether policy change can make a difference given that weather is outside human control . The modeling is done by extrapolating known patterns to get a predicted number of crossings on particular dates and then examining the effects of particular factors such as the Rwanda Scheme or the end of Dublin III. Interested board readers can see the article for themselves. At least it is data based, unlike a couple of earlier published articles which said there was no deterrent effect.
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Cost of each return under one-in-one out deal with France is about £56K
at 11:20 17 Sep 2026

Nice to see a bit of humour on a depressing thread!

The French police would almost certainly detain us on he beach, and we wouldn't even be the first Brits to end up in a French cell.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/fran
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Cost of each return under one-in-one out deal with France is about £56K
at 10:09 17 Sep 2026

The pro-immigration lobby, including Left-leaning media and some researchers, are desperate to say that Rwanda had no impact on Ireland, but Government Ministers such as Helen McEntee and Michael Martin were convinced that it did. McEntre went so far as to claim that 80% of arrivals at that time were coming from the UK. Contemporaneous interviews with migrants in the UK print media suggested that some at least feared deportation there.

https://www.infomigrants.net/e

https://www.standard.co.uk/new

https://www.irishtimes.com/ire

https://thesudantimes.com/afri

A recent study suggests that there was a deterrent effect.

Wood, R. M. (2025). “Factors Affecting Illegal Migration to the UK by Small-Boat Crossing of the English Channel: Descriptive, Inferential and Predictive Analyses.” International Migration Review. DOI: 10.1177/01979183251394003. (paywall). So:
https://www.researchgate.net/p

Wood writes: "...this analysis finds 24% higher arrivals follow the cancelling of the Rwanda scheme (with the change of government in 2024), versus previous comments that “the launch of the Rwanda policy does not appear to have had any deterrent impact” (Brooks 2023) ."

Summary here: https://www.express.co.uk/news
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Cost of each return under one-in-one out deal with France is about £56K
at 08:48 17 Sep 2026

There are only a few cross-Channel routes where French territorial waters meet UK waters with nothing in between. I am not recommending it, but have you seen what the Greek coastguard do in international waters?

https://aegeanboatreport.com/2

Just an example of what is possible at the extreme.
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Cost of each return under one-in-one out deal with France is about £56K
at 20:40 16 Sep 2026

The Irish Government got very twitchy when with Rwanda on the horizon 30% of migrants entering the Republic were coming from the UK.

https://www.irishtimes.com/ire
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Cost of each return under one-in-one out deal with France is about £56K
at 14:16 16 Sep 2026

Related questions: How much do the occupants of one mega dinghy landed in the UK cost the country? Should the CEO of the RNLI get his organisation to make a contribution?
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