| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history 08:11 - Apr 27 with 17097 views | Parlay |
Garry Monk achieved the best points per game ratio than any other Swansea Premier League manager in history after the win against Aston Villa. Even more impressive is he has managed it with a squad about to play its 60th game in the coming fortnight.
Garry Monk - 1.25 points per game (47.5 pts per 38 game season)
Brendan Rodgers - 1.23 points per game (47 pts per 38 game season)
Michael Laudrup - 1.12 points per game (42.5 pts per 38 game season)
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:40 - Apr 27 with 1100 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:37 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
Well to be honest, only an idiot would try place a manager in the historical context after 12 games. Carry on. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 10:38]
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Historical context?
im comparing how he has done so far with our other 2 managers.
i find it odd you think it so ridiculous to look after 12, But you can after 38?
5 or 6 months difference? Hardly a world apart. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:40 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Historical context?
im comparing how he has done so far with our other 2 managers.
i find it odd you think it so ridiculous to look after 12, But you can after 38?
5 or 6 months difference? Hardly a world apart. |
You can only compare like for like mun, not apples and pears.
The only games you can compare are those where all were managers against the same opposition.
ML - 12 pts (1.33/game)
GM - 11 pts (1.22/game)
BR - 6 pts (0.67/game)
If GM is manager for a whole season then you can compare season v season i.e. 38 games.
We are where we are GM or no GM for manager we will see. I will support SCFC whoever but IMO we would be better off with a fresh face. |  | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:52 - Apr 27 with 1068 views | WarwickHunt |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:40 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Historical context?
im comparing how he has done so far with our other 2 managers.
i find it odd you think it so ridiculous to look after 12, But you can after 38?
5 or 6 months difference? Hardly a world apart. |
Over a season you include the top 8 sides home and away, over 12 you...don't.
Go figure. |  | | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:52 - Apr 27 by WarwickHunt |
Over a season you include the top 8 sides home and away, over 12 you...don't.
Go figure. |
But after 12 you should get the same ratio of top and bottom teams as after 38.
Hence why after 12 we have played 6 top 10 and 6 bottom 10.
Gone and figured. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:57 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
But after 12 you should get the same ratio of top and bottom teams as after 38.
Hence why after 12 we have played 6 top 10 and 6 bottom 10.
Gone and figured. |
Hello, Dimi.
Must try harder. | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:00 - Apr 27 with 1032 views | JACKARSE |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:57 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
But after 12 you should get the same ratio of top and bottom teams as after 38.
Hence why after 12 we have played 6 top 10 and 6 bottom 10.
Gone and figured. |
What part don't you understand ........
You can only compare like for like mun, not apples and pears.
The only games you can compare are those where all were managers against the same opposition.
ML - 12 pts (1.33/game)
GM - 11 pts (1.22/game)
BR - 6 pts (0.67/game)
If GM is manager for a whole season then you can compare season v season i.e. 38 games.
We are where we are GM or no GM for manager we will see. I will support SCFC whoever but IMO we would be better off with a fresh face. | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:00 - Apr 27 with 1031 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:57 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
But after 12 you should get the same ratio of top and bottom teams as after 38.
Hence why after 12 we have played 6 top 10 and 6 bottom 10.
Gone and figured. |
But in this case that wasn't the case, which is why you need standardised tests( eg 1 full season) to produce good results. Its a little silly to be doing analysis after 12 games especially given the disparate nature of the test conditions. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:05]
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 10:51 - Apr 27 by JACKARSE |
You can only compare like for like mun, not apples and pears.
The only games you can compare are those where all were managers against the same opposition.
ML - 12 pts (1.33/game)
GM - 11 pts (1.22/game)
BR - 6 pts (0.67/game)
If GM is manager for a whole season then you can compare season v season i.e. 38 games.
We are where we are GM or no GM for manager we will see. I will support SCFC whoever but IMO we would be better off with a fresh face. |
So you think it is more accurate to compare a result against Man United last year (champions) to that of a result against Manchester United this year (7th/8th)?
Surely you understand that come a new season comes a new hierarchy of best teams. For example playing Newcastle last year is the same as playing Man United this year. With that comes a differing style of play for comparison (we find it harder to play physical sides than footballing ones) so even that cannot show accuracy.
The best thing we can do is take EVERY game of EVERY manager and thus it cannot be manipulated or cherry picked. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:00 - Apr 27 by WarwickHunt |
Hello, Dimi.
Must try harder. |
Hello Warwick.
Try harder to be right when I already am?
Nah. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:00 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
But in this case that wasn't the case, which is why you need standardised tests( eg 1 full season) to produce good results. Its a little silly to be doing analysis after 12 games especially given the disparate nature of the test conditions. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:05]
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There isnt a standardised test. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:05 - Apr 27 with 1000 views | Drizzle |
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There isnt a standardised test. |
The nearest thing would be one full season. So there kind of is a standardised test. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:08]
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:05 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
The nearest thing would be one full season. So there kind of is a standardised test. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:08]
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But because we dont have that the nearest thing is to take what we have.
Which ive done. | |
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Classic Dimi. |  |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:08 - Apr 27 with 986 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:08 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
But because we dont have that the nearest thing is to take what we have.
Which ive done. |
No you ignored the nearest thing we have, which is like for like. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:09]
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:10 - Apr 27 with 979 views | JACKARSE |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:02 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
So you think it is more accurate to compare a result against Man United last year (champions) to that of a result against Manchester United this year (7th/8th)?
Surely you understand that come a new season comes a new hierarchy of best teams. For example playing Newcastle last year is the same as playing Man United this year. With that comes a differing style of play for comparison (we find it harder to play physical sides than footballing ones) so even that cannot show accuracy.
The best thing we can do is take EVERY game of EVERY manager and thus it cannot be manipulated or cherry picked. |
No Man Utd in my comparisons.
These are the only games you can compare GM/ML/BR
Stoke A
Liverpool A
WBA H
Everton A
Arsenal A
Norwich H
Chelsea H
Newcastle A
Aston Villa H
You can only compare like for like unless you want to compare a whole season's results. This flawed anyway as the teams will not be the same with relegated/promoted teams.
The only true comparison is one which would never exist, all three managers managing the same team against exactly the same opposition team with the same opposition managers, the same weather conditions, on the same date in the season ...... blah blah blah
This thread is pointless, the future is where it's at mun | | | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:08 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
No you ignored the nearest thing we have, which is like for like. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:09]
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Thats not the nearest thing.
Liverpool will be champions this year, last year they were what? 7th?
Thats the issue with cherry picking. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:14 - Apr 27 with 952 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:12 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Thats not the nearest thing.
Liverpool will be champions this year, last year they were what? 7th?
Thats the issue with cherry picking. |
As I said at the start. You 'cherry picked' your mode of selection as 'whole tenure'. I'm suggesting that that returns corrupted data. The point is NONE of the analysis is correct. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:15]
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:10 - Apr 27 by JACKARSE |
No Man Utd in my comparisons.
These are the only games you can compare GM/ML/BR
Stoke A
Liverpool A
WBA H
Everton A
Arsenal A
Norwich H
Chelsea H
Newcastle A
Aston Villa H
You can only compare like for like unless you want to compare a whole season's results. This flawed anyway as the teams will not be the same with relegated/promoted teams.
The only true comparison is one which would never exist, all three managers managing the same team against exactly the same opposition team with the same opposition managers, the same weather conditions, on the same date in the season ...... blah blah blah
This thread is pointless, the future is where it's at mun |
Liverpool are a completely different proposition.
Wba are a completely different proposition, new manager too,
Everton are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Norwich are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Chelsea are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Etc etc etc
Hence why cherry picking doesnt work. Last years 8th best side will be replaced by this years 8th best side - so by taking whole tenures into account it will average itself out. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:16 - Apr 27 with 945 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:10 - Apr 27 by JACKARSE |
No Man Utd in my comparisons.
These are the only games you can compare GM/ML/BR
Stoke A
Liverpool A
WBA H
Everton A
Arsenal A
Norwich H
Chelsea H
Newcastle A
Aston Villa H
You can only compare like for like unless you want to compare a whole season's results. This flawed anyway as the teams will not be the same with relegated/promoted teams.
The only true comparison is one which would never exist, all three managers managing the same team against exactly the same opposition team with the same opposition managers, the same weather conditions, on the same date in the season ...... blah blah blah
This thread is pointless, the future is where it's at mun |
Wrong, those teams and their Managers are no longer the same, so there is no direct comparison.
Isn't it odd how all those posters were knocking GM after a couple of games because the points per game or Win ratios were not as good as ML, now they are better they don't want to use them.
It is called BIAS, everybody has it.
Keep it up Parlay. |  | | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:14 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
As I said at the start. You 'cherry picked' your mode of selection as 'whole tenure'. I'm suggesting that that returns corrupted data. The point is NONE of the analysis is correct. [Post edited 27 Apr 2014 11:15]
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I didnt cherry pick anything.
I took whole tenures. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:16 - Apr 27 with 943 views | Drizzle |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:15 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Liverpool are a completely different proposition.
Wba are a completely different proposition, new manager too,
Everton are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Norwich are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Chelsea are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Etc etc etc
Hence why cherry picking doesnt work. Last years 8th best side will be replaced by this years 8th best side - so by taking whole tenures into account it will average itself out. |
But you cherry picked variable 'set size' which gives non results. | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:17 - Apr 27 with 936 views | JACKARSE |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:15 - Apr 27 by Parlay |
Liverpool are a completely different proposition.
Wba are a completely different proposition, new manager too,
Everton are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Norwich are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Chelsea are a completely different proposition, new manager too.
Etc etc etc
Hence why cherry picking doesnt work. Last years 8th best side will be replaced by this years 8th best side - so by taking whole tenures into account it will average itself out. |
Move on .......
'The only true comparison is one which would never exist, all three managers managing the same team against exactly the same opposition team with the same opposition managers, the same weather conditions, on the same date in the season ...... blah blah blah'
This thread is pointless, the future is where it's at mun | | | |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:17 - Apr 27 with 936 views | Parlay |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:16 - Apr 27 by Drizzle |
But you cherry picked variable 'set size' which gives non results. |
No i didnt, i gave a figure based on common sense, logic and historical trends. | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:18 - Apr 27 with 929 views | WarwickHunt |
| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:10 - Apr 27 by JACKARSE |
No Man Utd in my comparisons.
These are the only games you can compare GM/ML/BR
Stoke A
Liverpool A
WBA H
Everton A
Arsenal A
Norwich H
Chelsea H
Newcastle A
Aston Villa H
You can only compare like for like unless you want to compare a whole season's results. This flawed anyway as the teams will not be the same with relegated/promoted teams.
The only true comparison is one which would never exist, all three managers managing the same team against exactly the same opposition team with the same opposition managers, the same weather conditions, on the same date in the season ...... blah blah blah
This thread is pointless, the future is where it's at mun |
Spot on. Utterly meaningless.
Still, it's Dimi. Bless him.
His carer must have the day off. | | | |
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| Garry Monk - best managerial record for Swansea in Prem history on 11:17 - Apr 27 by JACKARSE |
Move on .......
'The only true comparison is one which would never exist, all three managers managing the same team against exactly the same opposition team with the same opposition managers, the same weather conditions, on the same date in the season ...... blah blah blah'
This thread is pointless, the future is where it's at mun |
So nobody can ever be compared ever in history?
Thats nonsense. | |
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