| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? 20:18 - Oct 20 with 10185 views | rdaleouis |
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, who actually spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of his achievement, and who at worst, if he fails, at least he fails whilst daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory or defeat."
Is it a plea for supporters to get back on side? Does it mean anything if we don't see results change? [Post edited 20 Oct 2017 20:19]
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:27 - Oct 20 with 6962 views | Shun |
Poetic words from our Teddy. I don't think anyone who criticises his tactics or points out where we could do better is interested in credit though, we're simply discussing where we stand currently.
I don't particularly believe that he deserves credit for putting himself 'in the arena' either. He deserves, and receives, plenty of credit for what he's done to this football club in the past decade, but the speech he's quoted seems to suggest we should be praising him just for simply being in the job when the going is tough. Let's be honest, he's in one of the most enviable jobs in the world, we don't need to give him reverence just for sticking with it. [Post edited 20 Oct 2017 20:32]
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:30 - Oct 20 with 6952 views | 442Dale |
I would say supporters are on side. There may be the odd few who go too far with their criticism, both at games and in places such as here, but in the main the team have received good backing at matches and constructive criticism and analysis on this forum.
Where was this quote by the way?
More here:
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2017/october/hill-prebristolr_alt/
Noticeable that his own expectation is certainly greater than mine and no doubt some other fans'. That's if "expectation" is an acceptable word again... |  |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:33 - Oct 20 with 6938 views | rdaleouis |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:30 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
I would say supporters are on side. There may be the odd few who go too far with their criticism, both at games and in places such as here, but in the main the team have received good backing at matches and constructive criticism and analysis on this forum.
Where was this quote by the way?
More here:
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2017/october/hill-prebristolr_alt/
Noticeable that his own expectation is certainly greater than mine and no doubt some other fans'. That's if "expectation" is an acceptable word again... |
Found the link on Dale's twitter page | | | |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:36 - Oct 20 with 6928 views | MoonyDale |
I would say he's not talking of himself but of the players. And it's definitely a dig at the fans, in other words we don't know what we are talking about so shut up.... |  |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:51 - Oct 20 with 6877 views | fitzochris |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:36 - Oct 20 by MoonyDale |
I would say he's not talking of himself but of the players. And it's definitely a dig at the fans, in other words we don't know what we are talking about so shut up.... |
It can certainly be read that way. However, it's the brave supporters who dare put their hand in their pocket and hand over cash at the turnstile. [Post edited 20 Oct 2017 20:52]
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:56 - Oct 20 with 6848 views | DaleiLama |
I put that into Google Translate and it came up with the following:
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion: the only opinion that matters is that of the bloke with his balls on the chopping block" |  |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:01 - Oct 20 with 6828 views | MoonyDale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:51 - Oct 20 by fitzochris |
It can certainly be read that way. However, it's the brave supporters who dare put their hand in their pocket and hand over cash at the turnstile. [Post edited 20 Oct 2017 20:52]
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It certainly is at the moment for sure..... | |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:03 - Oct 20 with 6817 views | MoonyDale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:56 - Oct 20 by DaleiLama |
I put that into Google Translate and it came up with the following:
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion: the only opinion that matters is that of the bloke with his balls on the chopping block" |
Or you could say..........“The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” | |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:08 - Oct 20 with 6802 views | 442Dale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:36 - Oct 20 by MoonyDale |
I would say he's not talking of himself but of the players. And it's definitely a dig at the fans, in other words we don't know what we are talking about so shut up.... |
There are plenty of fans who are educated enough from many years watching the game and regularly illustrate that their opinion is just as valid as anyone working for a football club. | |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:10 - Oct 20 with 6788 views | DaleiLama |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:08 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
There are plenty of fans who are educated enough from many years watching the game and regularly illustrate that their opinion is just as valid as anyone working for a football club. |
Even though they aren't football people?  | |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:12 - Oct 20 with 6777 views | DaleiLama |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:30 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
I would say supporters are on side. There may be the odd few who go too far with their criticism, both at games and in places such as here, but in the main the team have received good backing at matches and constructive criticism and analysis on this forum.
Where was this quote by the way?
More here:
https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2017/october/hill-prebristolr_alt/
Noticeable that his own expectation is certainly greater than mine and no doubt some other fans'. That's if "expectation" is an acceptable word again... |
Twas a tweet (just catching up)
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:13 - Oct 20 with 6761 views | 442Dale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:10 - Oct 20 by DaleiLama |
Even though they aren't football people? |
Yes, and if they were working for a football club they'd question the wisdom of using Twitter to deliver such a message whilst considering the benefits and/or drawbacks of such an action. | |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:14 - Oct 20 with 6758 views | DaleiLama |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:13 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
Yes, and if they were working for a football club they'd question the wisdom of using Twitter to deliver such a message whilst considering the benefits and/or drawbacks of such an action. |
Agreed
......... this would have been a much better Tweet
"Our hands have fingertips, but our toes don't have toetips................... yet we can tiptoe"
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:15 - Oct 20 with 6754 views | D_Dale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:33 - Oct 20 by rdaleouis |
Found the link on Dale's twitter page |
Hilly quoting from a speech given by Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne in 1910?
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:24 - Oct 20 with 6715 views | 442Dale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:15 - Oct 20 by D_Dale |
Hilly quoting from a speech given by Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne in 1910?
Wow, you can't not be impressed. |
Next time they're thinking about trying to be clever, they'd be wise to consider a wizard's words.
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:24 - Oct 20 with 6711 views | TVOS1907 |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:08 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
There are plenty of fans who are educated enough from many years watching the game and regularly illustrate that their opinion is just as valid as anyone working for a football club. |
Educated people? |  |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:44 - Oct 20 with 6653 views | kiwidale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 20:27 - Oct 20 by Shun |
Poetic words from our Teddy. I don't think anyone who criticises his tactics or points out where we could do better is interested in credit though, we're simply discussing where we stand currently.
I don't particularly believe that he deserves credit for putting himself 'in the arena' either. He deserves, and receives, plenty of credit for what he's done to this football club in the past decade, but the speech he's quoted seems to suggest we should be praising him just for simply being in the job when the going is tough. Let's be honest, he's in one of the most enviable jobs in the world, we don't need to give him reverence just for sticking with it. [Post edited 20 Oct 2017 20:32]
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“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”
― Theodore Roosevelt
is just a fancy way of saying what was said on here last week.
"They know f*ck all about football"
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:46 - Oct 20 with 6650 views | Dalenet |
I travel to watch Dale at home and just want to be entertained. That is all. I don't need promotion nor do I need wisdom. Just happy if I am entertained. I suspect many think the same. I respect Mr Hill for all he has done for our club, but I cant abide his constant moaning about fans and fan that make comment about games. He may be more technically qualified than most of us, but he should just keep quiet and get on with motivating and managing the players. Having a sideways swipe at the relatively small number of fan we have is just irksome.
Lets hope that the brave souls of the pitch tomorrow do feel that their balls are on the line and they put on a better show. | | | |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:48 - Oct 20 with 6644 views | kiwidale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:24 - Oct 20 by TVOS1907 |
Educated people? |
"Educated people"... made my jaw drop as well. | |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:55 - Oct 20 with 6620 views | KenBoon |
Special human beings with absolutely superb synergy |  | | |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 22:09 - Oct 20 with 6576 views | 442Dale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:46 - Oct 20 by Dalenet |
I travel to watch Dale at home and just want to be entertained. That is all. I don't need promotion nor do I need wisdom. Just happy if I am entertained. I suspect many think the same. I respect Mr Hill for all he has done for our club, but I cant abide his constant moaning about fans and fan that make comment about games. He may be more technically qualified than most of us, but he should just keep quiet and get on with motivating and managing the players. Having a sideways swipe at the relatively small number of fan we have is just irksome.
Lets hope that the brave souls of the pitch tomorrow do feel that their balls are on the line and they put on a better show. |
Hill can be asked why he felt the need for such a message to go out.
Others need to look long and hard at themselves for actually allowing it to happen.
#teamrochdalewhenitsuits
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 22:12 - Oct 20 with 6560 views | 442Dale |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:48 - Oct 20 by kiwidale |
"Educated people"... made my jaw drop as well. |
Why? | |
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| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 22:14 - Oct 20 with 6559 views | nordenblue |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 21:46 - Oct 20 by Dalenet |
I travel to watch Dale at home and just want to be entertained. That is all. I don't need promotion nor do I need wisdom. Just happy if I am entertained. I suspect many think the same. I respect Mr Hill for all he has done for our club, but I cant abide his constant moaning about fans and fan that make comment about games. He may be more technically qualified than most of us, but he should just keep quiet and get on with motivating and managing the players. Having a sideways swipe at the relatively small number of fan we have is just irksome.
Lets hope that the brave souls of the pitch tomorrow do feel that their balls are on the line and they put on a better show. |
He's full of shit and self importance,no real shock he always has been....
Superb manager for the club without a doubt,but does he suddenly think he's Eric Cantona coming out with that load of bollox... | | | |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 22:16 - Oct 20 with 6553 views | nordenblue |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 22:09 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
Hill can be asked why he felt the need for such a message to go out.
Others need to look long and hard at themselves for actually allowing it to happen.
#teamrochdalewhenitsuits
Again. |
The boys feeling the pressure, and everyone else within the club is too scared to question him | | | |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 22:26 - Oct 20 with 6517 views | DaleiLama |
| Thoughts on Hilly's pre-match comments? on 22:09 - Oct 20 by 442Dale |
Hill can be asked why he felt the need for such a message to go out.
Others need to look long and hard at themselves for actually allowing it to happen.
#teamrochdalewhenitsuits
Again. |
Always been a big fan of doing the talking on the pitch. Everything else is just hot air and sound bytes.
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