| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 12:45 - Mar 19 with 5714 views | smaclad1 |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 11:47 - Mar 19 by dalenumber2 |
I've lost the plot with all this - can someone please confirm if I need to get a different ticket even if my season ticket is at the family stand side of the Pearl St? |
You've got a seat - sit in it.
I had a seat, now I need another ticket. |  | |  |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:40 - Mar 19 with 5618 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 12:45 - Mar 19 by smaclad1 |
You've got a seat - sit in it.
I had a seat, now I need another ticket. |
Have you seen NMs email, Smaclad_1?
Hugely valid point about the fire risk of allowing the Carlsberg Lounge to open with only one unlocked exit, assuming the doors on the "Sunderland" side will be locked in order to prevent away fans from entering the bar, or Dale fans attacking away fans in "their" toilet/refreshment area.
Project Vanity. |  |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:54 - Mar 19 with 5601 views | D_Alien |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:40 - Mar 19 by judd |
Have you seen NMs email, Smaclad_1?
Hugely valid point about the fire risk of allowing the Carlsberg Lounge to open with only one unlocked exit, assuming the doors on the "Sunderland" side will be locked in order to prevent away fans from entering the bar, or Dale fans attacking away fans in "their" toilet/refreshment area.
Project Vanity. |
Being attacked in the toilet/refreshment area would be a kick up the arse/smack in the mouth |  |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 06:09 - Mar 20 with 5301 views | smaclad1 |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:40 - Mar 19 by judd |
Have you seen NMs email, Smaclad_1?
Hugely valid point about the fire risk of allowing the Carlsberg Lounge to open with only one unlocked exit, assuming the doors on the "Sunderland" side will be locked in order to prevent away fans from entering the bar, or Dale fans attacking away fans in "their" toilet/refreshment area.
Project Vanity. |
Seen the incendiary email, indeed!
Don't take me to task on this, but I can't get as worked up about this as NM and many posters on here.
Valid point about Studds (my real ale commitment can't bring me to say the word 'Ca...', Car....'. Nope not going to happen). Fire Regs are not my thing, but I can't imagine that an enclosed space of that size and capacity is allowed to have only one exit. What is probably more of a concern is possibility of crushing in and around what will be our one access to bogs/refreshments/Studds given a greater proportion of the stand than usual will be using one access point. On that point, and if season ticket numbers permitted, it might have been better making a 60 home/40 away split of the stand to better equalise access numbers.
We're not the first fans ever to have been moved to make a few bob, and we won't be the last. Given that the Club has a very limited income stream and given we have a stadium that generally achieves only 25%-ish home occupancy, the Club needs to look at how to work the stadium more flexibly. I think it does need a plan - known and (if reluctantly) accepted by supporters - that when teams with a large travelling support come to town they can be accommodated thereby increasing the club's income.
Not taking NM's hardline approach and have not considered giving the Sunderland game a miss. I have a contingency in mind for pre-match drinks given that it's likely to be very busy in the pubs and bars of Rochdale. I'm planning on getting a couple of hours in at the Oldham Beer Festival! | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 10:48 - Mar 20 with 5189 views | D_Alien |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 06:09 - Mar 20 by smaclad1 |
Seen the incendiary email, indeed!
Don't take me to task on this, but I can't get as worked up about this as NM and many posters on here.
Valid point about Studds (my real ale commitment can't bring me to say the word 'Ca...', Car....'. Nope not going to happen). Fire Regs are not my thing, but I can't imagine that an enclosed space of that size and capacity is allowed to have only one exit. What is probably more of a concern is possibility of crushing in and around what will be our one access to bogs/refreshments/Studds given a greater proportion of the stand than usual will be using one access point. On that point, and if season ticket numbers permitted, it might have been better making a 60 home/40 away split of the stand to better equalise access numbers.
We're not the first fans ever to have been moved to make a few bob, and we won't be the last. Given that the Club has a very limited income stream and given we have a stadium that generally achieves only 25%-ish home occupancy, the Club needs to look at how to work the stadium more flexibly. I think it does need a plan - known and (if reluctantly) accepted by supporters - that when teams with a large travelling support come to town they can be accommodated thereby increasing the club's income.
Not taking NM's hardline approach and have not considered giving the Sunderland game a miss. I have a contingency in mind for pre-match drinks given that it's likely to be very busy in the pubs and bars of Rochdale. I'm planning on getting a couple of hours in at the Oldham Beer Festival! |
Excellent idea about establishing future distribution of away fans beyond Willbutts, if the occasion demands it. The way to do this would be through proper consultation involving the most interested party of all - the fans
I suppose the established channel of the Trust (as a whole... ) would be the place to start that consultation. Make it meaningful, and not just a cosmetic exercise such as sticking someone on a top table | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 12:57 - Mar 20 with 5065 views | judd |
I have had an email from RMBC today confirming they are happy with segregation arrangements. Security has to remain confidential. Happy for Studds to open for home fans only.
Interesting insight into other issues and continues to add to the debate surrounding the actual cost of the club generating an additional maximum gross £10,640 in ticket sales. | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 13:14 - Mar 20 with 5033 views | VespaDale |
We stayed in Sunderland for the weekend after our game there, went out at night with 'their boys'. They looked after us & we said we'd meet up for a drink in the return game. Don't be fooled though, they said Scunthorpe fans attacked their pub (Wheatsheaf) & CS gassed it, kids were in there so they said they were taking a mob down there to sort them out & smash the place up. I think we got on fine with them & they might come in a party mood. Only takes 1 punch / insult to be thrown... |  | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 00:45 - Mar 24 with 4513 views | Shun |
As I understand it, looking at the TDS, Sunderland fans will be in the leftmost block, then the next two will be partitioned off, and Daleys will have the rest. Obviously safety is paramount, but two blocks seems like an inordinate amount of partition. The first block of partition is negligible anyway as they’ll have to walk right past it to get to the toilet area!
I’d much rather they gave the first two blocks to Sunderland, and then left the third block as partition. One whole block of partition is ample, other clubs usually only have a few rows of seats! |  | | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 01:43 - Mar 24 with 4489 views | Toffeemanc |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 00:45 - Mar 24 by Shun |
As I understand it, looking at the TDS, Sunderland fans will be in the leftmost block, then the next two will be partitioned off, and Daleys will have the rest. Obviously safety is paramount, but two blocks seems like an inordinate amount of partition. The first block of partition is negligible anyway as they’ll have to walk right past it to get to the toilet area!
I’d much rather they gave the first two blocks to Sunderland, and then left the third block as partition. One whole block of partition is ample, other clubs usually only have a few rows of seats! |
Sunderland fans are in block U ( leftmost) and possibly V.
After speaking to the ticket office last week to check if I was affected as I hadn't received any letter from the club I now know that Block W is only partly affected and will only be partially blocked off for segregation. If the Sunderland fans are in V as well it maybe that the segregation is only going to be the stairway between V & W and a few rows of seats in W itself. |  |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 16:20 - Mar 24 with 4264 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 01:43 - Mar 24 by Toffeemanc |
Sunderland fans are in block U ( leftmost) and possibly V.
After speaking to the ticket office last week to check if I was affected as I hadn't received any letter from the club I now know that Block W is only partly affected and will only be partially blocked off for segregation. If the Sunderland fans are in V as well it maybe that the segregation is only going to be the stairway between V & W and a few rows of seats in W itself. |
According to RMBC it is a substantial area to be netted off with a row of stewards either side. This in light, I believe, of concerns raised after Bradford.
Also there will be an inspection of the stadium the week before and if loose articles remain in the area affected then a capacity reduction will be enforced.
So, 2 blocks (approx.) netted off, say 750 seats, plus the cost of 2 rows of stewards (assume 50 on £50 each additional costs), plus how many Wycombe tickets given away say 200 that will largely be given to fans who would have paid anyway - another 4 grand hidden cost in affording 532 Sunderland fans?
200 Sunderland fans paying a premium to dine and will have to somehow be transferred to their seats. These could and should have been accomodated in the designated away stand.
These additional Sunderland tickets will not make a meaningful bean for this club. | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:44 - Mar 24 with 4145 views | nordenblue |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 16:20 - Mar 24 by judd |
According to RMBC it is a substantial area to be netted off with a row of stewards either side. This in light, I believe, of concerns raised after Bradford.
Also there will be an inspection of the stadium the week before and if loose articles remain in the area affected then a capacity reduction will be enforced.
So, 2 blocks (approx.) netted off, say 750 seats, plus the cost of 2 rows of stewards (assume 50 on £50 each additional costs), plus how many Wycombe tickets given away say 200 that will largely be given to fans who would have paid anyway - another 4 grand hidden cost in affording 532 Sunderland fans?
200 Sunderland fans paying a premium to dine and will have to somehow be transferred to their seats. These could and should have been accomodated in the designated away stand.
These additional Sunderland tickets will not make a meaningful bean for this club. |
You're spot on there, have I missed this week's edtion of Bottomleys bullshit somehow,he'll let us all know how "busy" he's been no doubt and how we should be supporting the club? | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:51 - Mar 24 with 4076 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:44 - Mar 24 by nordenblue |
You're spot on there, have I missed this week's edtion of Bottomleys bullshit somehow,he'll let us all know how "busy" he's been no doubt and how we should be supporting the club? |
Not seen one on here.
I have also seen it in writing that Block U would be closed by GMP if it was for home fans versus Sunderland. So we'll give that Block to Sunderland and fook the week in and blow in Dale fans, because this fixture was never, ever going to attract a larger than normal home crowd. No way.
By larger I don't mean Steve Davies-esque | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:33 - Mar 24 with 4032 views | foreverhopefulDale |
Quite simply, if the Club had been serious about making lots more money by substantially increasing Sunderland’s allocation, they would have given them the Sandy , and all of the Sandy’s ST holders could have been given a straight swap for either the Main Stand or Pearl Street.
But this way they will hardly gain any extra money, after all extra security costs have been taken into consideration. [Post edited 24 Mar 2019 20:41]
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:56 - Mar 24 with 3996 views | KenBoon |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:51 - Mar 24 by judd |
Not seen one on here.
I have also seen it in writing that Block U would be closed by GMP if it was for home fans versus Sunderland. So we'll give that Block to Sunderland and fook the week in and blow in Dale fans, because this fixture was never, ever going to attract a larger than normal home crowd. No way.
By larger I don't mean Steve Davies-esque |
If GMP feel the need to close a block when there’s a fence and about 20 metres between them, why on earth are they happy with sharing a stand not designed to be segregated? That’s not a question btw, just relaying my astonishment in a rhetorical arsey style.
I’m not directly affected by the moving of some season ticket holders, but I am sure every schooligan will be sitting in season ticket seats nearest to the away fans, which will affect me. Our hapless stewards won’t do anything about it and we’ll have displaced fans there, who’ll have to find other seats that may have been purchased. This is all painfully inevitable. Also noticed there’s only three turnstiles for the stand that’ll have the biggest number of home supporters in and the ticket office/cabin is right next to it, so big queues there right next to the inevitable last minute queues to get in. |  | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 21:20 - Mar 24 with 3928 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:56 - Mar 24 by KenBoon |
If GMP feel the need to close a block when there’s a fence and about 20 metres between them, why on earth are they happy with sharing a stand not designed to be segregated? That’s not a question btw, just relaying my astonishment in a rhetorical arsey style.
I’m not directly affected by the moving of some season ticket holders, but I am sure every schooligan will be sitting in season ticket seats nearest to the away fans, which will affect me. Our hapless stewards won’t do anything about it and we’ll have displaced fans there, who’ll have to find other seats that may have been purchased. This is all painfully inevitable. Also noticed there’s only three turnstiles for the stand that’ll have the biggest number of home supporters in and the ticket office/cabin is right next to it, so big queues there right next to the inevitable last minute queues to get in. |
The licensing authority is RMBC. GMP have attended meetings and as I understand it are happy that the security arrangements PROPOSED are acceptable. The details have to remain secret according to RMBC email to me, but they have been satisfied by the width of netted area and the 2 banks of stewards.
I would like to see GMPs threat to close block U in writing from them, to be fair, I guess that would need to be a freedom of Information request.
I seem to remember posting on here I was speaking to a higher ranking police officer after the Bradford game who was getting some stick from home fans about the delay in the Police responding. He told me the club should be self sufficient with stewards trained to deal with such events, in sufficient numbers for the crowd expected, and that the club has to call in the Police for assistance, which then becomes chargeable to the club but may also reflect on the on-going safety certificate.
But we can sell 200 meals, warmed up on site, to a group of fans never to return, then scratch our heads as to why home fans desert the club owned hostelry for those always welcoming nearby. | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:41 - Mar 26 with 3605 views | Shun |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 16:20 - Mar 24 by judd |
According to RMBC it is a substantial area to be netted off with a row of stewards either side. This in light, I believe, of concerns raised after Bradford.
Also there will be an inspection of the stadium the week before and if loose articles remain in the area affected then a capacity reduction will be enforced.
So, 2 blocks (approx.) netted off, say 750 seats, plus the cost of 2 rows of stewards (assume 50 on £50 each additional costs), plus how many Wycombe tickets given away say 200 that will largely be given to fans who would have paid anyway - another 4 grand hidden cost in affording 532 Sunderland fans?
200 Sunderland fans paying a premium to dine and will have to somehow be transferred to their seats. These could and should have been accomodated in the designated away stand.
These additional Sunderland tickets will not make a meaningful bean for this club. |
I still don’t understand why we need two whole blocks of segregation. It seems like overkill and a complete waste of money. Other clubs (Bradford, Lincoln, Oxford, Carlisle, just off the top of my head) regularly have away fans in the same stand with nowhere near 2 blocks of segregation.
Having two blocks netted off seems even more absurd when you consider the fact that one of those blocks will be walked past by every Sunderland fan wanting to eat or go to the toilet! | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:22 - Mar 26 with 3537 views | James1980 |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:41 - Mar 26 by Shun |
I still don’t understand why we need two whole blocks of segregation. It seems like overkill and a complete waste of money. Other clubs (Bradford, Lincoln, Oxford, Carlisle, just off the top of my head) regularly have away fans in the same stand with nowhere near 2 blocks of segregation.
Having two blocks netted off seems even more absurd when you consider the fact that one of those blocks will be walked past by every Sunderland fan wanting to eat or go to the toilet! |
Is the entirety of block W being used for segregation? | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 23:24 - Mar 26 with 3383 views | Toffeemanc |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 19:22 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
Is the entirety of block W being used for segregation? |
No,
I have 2 season ticket seats in W towards the centre of the block and haven't had to move for the Sunderland game and will be in my usual seat after the ticket office confirmed the 2 seats were not affected by the segregation. | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 05:20 - Mar 27 with 3327 views | James1980 |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 23:24 - Mar 26 by Toffeemanc |
No,
I have 2 season ticket seats in W towards the centre of the block and haven't had to move for the Sunderland game and will be in my usual seat after the ticket office confirmed the 2 seats were not affected by the segregation. |
Perhaps it would have been better if there had been an image of the stand on the club website, showing where the Sunderland fans will be located and the area designated for segregation. | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 07:19 - Mar 27 with 3280 views | judd |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 05:20 - Mar 27 by James1980 |
Perhaps it would have been better if there had been an image of the stand on the club website, showing where the Sunderland fans will be located and the area designated for segregation. |
Good luck | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 18:56 - Mar 27 with 3101 views | smaclad1 |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 05:20 - Mar 27 by James1980 |
Perhaps it would have been better if there had been an image of the stand on the club website, showing where the Sunderland fans will be located and the area designated for segregation. |
A picture is worth a thousand words. And this thread would have been a lot shorter. | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:27 - Mar 27 with 3028 views | D_Alien |
Do we know if this includes those in the Main Lounge, who presumably have already paid for their entry to the ground? | |
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| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 15:26 - Apr 4 with 2580 views | sykeboy |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:27 - Mar 27 by D_Alien |
Do we know if this includes those in the Main Lounge, who presumably have already paid for their entry to the ground? |
Given the upset caused seems strange tickets for Sunderland fans are still available at Dale and Sunderland !! | | | |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 16:27 - Apr 4 with 2464 views | dingdangblue |
| Sunderland fans to be in the home stands. on 20:27 - Mar 27 by D_Alien |
Do we know if this includes those in the Main Lounge, who presumably have already paid for their entry to the ground? |
Im pretty sure the 200 hospitality supporters wont have been counted in the 3814. The total of 'just over 4000' is the quoted amount of Sunderland fans mentioned by Dale. |  |
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