| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix 08:58 - May 22 with 24696 views | FrankRightguard |
Anyone seen this? Shocking even by the pitifully low standards society seems to operate at these days. |  | | |  |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:10 - May 22 with 11169 views | Ned_Kennedys |
Yes it’s a depressing watch isn’t it? The muppets they interviewed who were involved in the disorder had absolutely no self awareness or guilt.
Must have been an horrible environment to be in for normal fans, especially anyone more vulnerable. Amazed people weren’t seriously injured or even killed. |  | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:21 - May 22 with 11099 views | QPunkR |
I got there about 5 hours before ko and it was already like a scene from a war zone. The utterly ridiculous thing is that throughout the worst of the disorder, riot police were stationed on the other side of the stadium but not called in until way too late |  |
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:26 - May 22 with 11056 views | TheChef |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:21 - May 22 by QPunkR |
I got there about 5 hours before ko and it was already like a scene from a war zone. The utterly ridiculous thing is that throughout the worst of the disorder, riot police were stationed on the other side of the stadium but not called in until way too late |
Weren't there already some issues at the Denmark semi final? You thought they might have heeded the warning - but no. |  |
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:43 - May 22 with 11006 views | 1MoreBrightonR |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 09:10 - May 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
Yes it’s a depressing watch isn’t it? The muppets they interviewed who were involved in the disorder had absolutely no self awareness or guilt.
Must have been an horrible environment to be in for normal fans, especially anyone more vulnerable. Amazed people weren’t seriously injured or even killed. |
One of them said something along the lines of "i love following England...its the fact that we are all in it together"...and then proceeded to gate crash his way in, which is a completely selfish act and the opposite of being it it together.
It was interesting but given i have a low tolerance of football fans being d1cks and an even lower tolerance of England fans being d1cks, it was a tough watch! |  | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 10:06 - May 22 with 10893 views | stowmarketrange |
I was so tempted to buy tickets for the final on viagogo at an extortionate price,mainly because I wondered if I’d ever get the chance to see England in a final again.I decided not to bother in the end,and I’m so glad I didn’t.
I know that Wembley was at a reduced capacity,which didn’t help,but I would’ve been fuming if I’d paid thousands of £s to get in and these muppets forced their way in for nothing.
I will watch the programme later. |  | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 11:44 - May 22 with 10656 views | Toast_R |
Football fans with a severe sense of over entitlement. Why should you pay money and go through the same process as everyone else? We see this time and time again in major finals and yet the those in charge always seem to be asleep at the wheel.
Catastrophic errors from the organisers and Police. But then, you can't pay civilians enough to put their lives in the way of a drug and alcohol fuelled mob, hell bent on doing what it takes to get in somewhere.
Next time, deploy the army keep order. Whether what occurred is just a one off on the back of Covid restrictions being lifted and England going deep into a tournament simultaneously, I guess we'll find out in 4 years time. [Post edited 22 May 11:47]
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 12:27 - May 22 with 10570 views | Hoopsie |
Virtually no police presence around Wembley stadium
Shocking to have temporary fencing erected to condone off the restricted areas. Temporary fences? [Post edited 22 May 13:17]
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:00 - May 22 with 10398 views | JamesB1979 |
I won’t watching it as will find too depressing. Enough to get depressed about in life.
I was there and these “people” weren’t “football supporters”, just scum. I thought about taking my son to the game but instead went with a mate. One of the best decisions of my life….my son would have been put off going to football matches again. Instead he has still got love of going to watch qpr. | | | |
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:26 - May 22 with 10302 views | Juzzie |
I said it then, I'll say it now and I'll keep saying it... the biggest fk up was only issuing 67,000 tickets. What a disaster.
How the hell was having 23k less people going to make any difference to any 'social distancing' type of rhetoric? 67k or 90k, you're still having tens of thousands of people on the buses, trains, underground, around the stadium, queuing at turnstiles, in the concourses, in the toilets, buying food etc.
Basically, tens of thousands of people thought " 'kin 'ell... loads of empty seats... I'll have some of that" so when 100k of them turn up.... carnage.
If all 90k tickets had been sold I doubt very much anything on this scale would have happened as those chancer tw@ts simply would not have turned up.
Reports suggest 6,000 people turned up without tickets. Bollox, I heard there were over 100k people in and around Wembley that day.
If it was 'only' 6k then they would have all got in with 15k+ spare seats still.
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:16 - May 22 with 10129 views | LongRanger |
I've not watched it yet but will. I was at the game with mates and it was a shocker from start to finish, the limited tickets, lack of policing, the transport planning, but ultimately the morons, it was like a scene from Planet of the Apes.
2 hours before ko, all units down Wembley Way had to be shut with people climbing and jumping all over them, loads of empty and half full cans being thrown all along, it was a carpet of empty cans. Drugs being snorted off any flat surface available. Kids looked terrified.
The turnstiles were mobbed 100 deep and turns out closed off, but we weren't told, so impatient surges started and panic set in for many.
After the game, finally the trouble had passed but so had the trains as they ran a Sunday timetable, extra time penalties meant tubes were limited and last trains had all left waterloo once we got there, so had to taxi back to Woking for £150.
I went to 3 other games and didn't see one issue, was just the final. | | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:19 - May 22 with 10108 views | Toast_R |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:26 - May 22 by Juzzie |
I said it then, I'll say it now and I'll keep saying it... the biggest fk up was only issuing 67,000 tickets. What a disaster.
How the hell was having 23k less people going to make any difference to any 'social distancing' type of rhetoric? 67k or 90k, you're still having tens of thousands of people on the buses, trains, underground, around the stadium, queuing at turnstiles, in the concourses, in the toilets, buying food etc.
Basically, tens of thousands of people thought " 'kin 'ell... loads of empty seats... I'll have some of that" so when 100k of them turn up.... carnage.
If all 90k tickets had been sold I doubt very much anything on this scale would have happened as those chancer tw@ts simply would not have turned up.
Reports suggest 6,000 people turned up without tickets. Bollox, I heard there were over 100k people in and around Wembley that day.
If it was 'only' 6k then they would have all got in with 15k+ spare seats still.
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A very good point made.
Was there anything about the Goverment's Covid social distancing ideas which actually made any sense? Going in 1 direction around a supermarket, so glad we all did that. It certainly seems totally surreal thinking back. | | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:20 - May 22 with 10101 views | Ned_Kennedys |
I would think loads if not most of the mob outside had no idea there were 20000+ ‘empty’ seats inside.
Most probably thought it would be a big old street drinking party on Wembley Way with a ‘mental’ atmosphere and I bet plenty expected it to have big screens up to watch the game.
A relatively small minority turned up with the specific aim of getting into the ground but once these people started their assault and had some visible success then the mob and herd mentality kicked in and thousands joined in. | | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:51 - May 22 with 10008 views | LimehouseR |
I think the police hadn't foreseen the trouble around the stadium so early and had a lot of officers starting their shift at 1-2pm with the belief that they would be working 12 hour plus shifts right through until the small hours anyway. They also had wrongly assumed most of the trouble element and crowds would be in central London.
It was almost unfair to criticise the police on the ground at the stadium because they were outnumbered 100/1000 to 1. If they had started making arrests they wouldn't have had any left to actually police the chaos. But it is totally fair to criticise the top brass who planned the event, got it totally and utterly wrong and hadn't read the mood of the nation.
Like people have said, the security at the ground aren't paid enough to deal with a mob threatening to smash your face in if you don't stand aside. A near miracle there were no fatalities. The rain that came pouring down after the penalties alleviated a lot more trouble too. |  | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:54 - May 22 with 9994 views | Northernr |
Watched it this morning and, yeh, found it utterly grim and depressing in parts, and a lot of the 'give a fck about anybody else' attitude you just see out and about every day now. The "massive United fan" from Shrewsbury with the neck tats was great wasn't he? What a lad. That's the sort of cnt I get sat next to on planes.
I do think it skated over a few things though that might have been worth digging into over a a more in depth 3-4 parter, rather than just pointing and going "look at all these coked up animals" wrecking it for the middle class parents taking little Hugo to his first football game because they can afford to pay the £3,000+ some of the tickets were going for (to a bloody football match).
Off the top of my head...
- Kicking the game off at 8pm on a Sunday, for the benefit of television and commercial income, wasn't even touched on. There's a reason they stick high profile police games at 12 noon. Fcking football policing 1.1 but because it's better for TV and UEFA and McDonalds we're having it at 8pm. Obviously a fcking disastrous idea - there were pubs in London advertising 6am opening.
- Why, again in the name of commercialism and money, the perimeter of Wembley that used to be car and coach parks, is now some glorified box park, so you can't have a neutral area around the stadium for a big match like just about every other modern venue in the world hosting games like this. How and why has that been allowed to happen? The doc spends the first 10 minutes wnking itself to death over "historic Wembley stadium" "best stadium in the world" when every football fan will tell you it's an overrated, badly designed, rapidly decaying shthole where the best you can do is stick some temporary railings up at the bottom of a set of steps and hope they don't get charged. Is it even fit to host games like this? Head of Brent council who approved all that building was on but not asked about this, just talked about how awful it was having to wade through all those thugs to get to her complimentary seat.
- Why are safety critical roles at major sporting events in this country, involving anywhere up to around 100,000 people in a confined space, entrusted to fly-by-night private security firms, just grabbing any nightclub and pub doorman they can on minimum wage for four hours. What level of security and resistance do you expect from some poor bstrd who usually works the door at Ikea Wembley? This is a disaster waiting to happen at a lot of venues and events in this country - under qualified, can't be arsed stewards, getting paid fck all. Of course they're not going to give a fck, or be effective, if it goes off. It's nuts that we expect them to.
- Why have we allowed sporting events - cup finals, NFL, international tournaments - whatever, to get to the point where you are now needing hundreds of quid, and in this case thousands, to get in? We've clamped down on touts outside the ground, while actively promoted and encouraged legalised online touting from Viagogo and the likes, and given them carte blanche to just flog tickets for, in this case, upwards of £4,000. Who's got that sort of money for a football ticket? Not your normal football fans that's for sure. The kid who was interviewed who got up on the bus, bit of a herbert fine, but he said it "I can only dream of that sort of money, I got no chance of getting in". Did you think all of these people were just gonna go "ah never mind" and sit and watch it down the boozer? Some might, but lots of them were always going to come to London, on the booze and the coke. You've priced these people out, did you expect them to be fine with that?
- The absolute explosion in cocaine use in general and at sporting events.
- The shambolic policing of the event. Only rolling in from 3pm. Allowing people to congregate and drink on Wembley Way from 7am whether they had tickets or not. I mean, who's in charge of that? The police seem to have escaped criticism entirely. There was a bit at the end commending them for their bravery ffs. They fcked it. Should that situation arise again it would be policed completely differently which is a tacit admission that they ballsed it up.
- the point about the Covid lockdowns was made but not explored, the mood in the country when they were finally lifted was very much 'give a fck I'm fcking going for it'. Some of the QPR away days around that time were horrible - Peterborough. The point made above about leaving 20,000 seats empty for Covid protocols was, again, made but not explored at all. I mean, what a fcking ludicrous decision that was. 63,000 people in the stadium fine, oh and by the way street party outside before help yourselves, but 83,000 people oh God you're all gonna explode into a thousand covid pieces we can't have that. You've told everybody there's 20,000 empty seats in there, how d'ya think that's gonna go? There was a lot of that nonsense as Covid progressed - six people in the pub garden fine, seven straight to jail.
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 15:09 - May 22 with 9924 views | TheChef |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:54 - May 22 by Northernr |
Watched it this morning and, yeh, found it utterly grim and depressing in parts, and a lot of the 'give a fck about anybody else' attitude you just see out and about every day now. The "massive United fan" from Shrewsbury with the neck tats was great wasn't he? What a lad. That's the sort of cnt I get sat next to on planes.
I do think it skated over a few things though that might have been worth digging into over a a more in depth 3-4 parter, rather than just pointing and going "look at all these coked up animals" wrecking it for the middle class parents taking little Hugo to his first football game because they can afford to pay the £3,000+ some of the tickets were going for (to a bloody football match).
Off the top of my head...
- Kicking the game off at 8pm on a Sunday, for the benefit of television and commercial income, wasn't even touched on. There's a reason they stick high profile police games at 12 noon. Fcking football policing 1.1 but because it's better for TV and UEFA and McDonalds we're having it at 8pm. Obviously a fcking disastrous idea - there were pubs in London advertising 6am opening.
- Why, again in the name of commercialism and money, the perimeter of Wembley that used to be car and coach parks, is now some glorified box park, so you can't have a neutral area around the stadium for a big match like just about every other modern venue in the world hosting games like this. How and why has that been allowed to happen? The doc spends the first 10 minutes wnking itself to death over "historic Wembley stadium" "best stadium in the world" when every football fan will tell you it's an overrated, badly designed, rapidly decaying shthole where the best you can do is stick some temporary railings up at the bottom of a set of steps and hope they don't get charged. Is it even fit to host games like this? Head of Brent council who approved all that building was on but not asked about this, just talked about how awful it was having to wade through all those thugs to get to her complimentary seat.
- Why are safety critical roles at major sporting events in this country, involving anywhere up to around 100,000 people in a confined space, entrusted to fly-by-night private security firms, just grabbing any nightclub and pub doorman they can on minimum wage for four hours. What level of security and resistance do you expect from some poor bstrd who usually works the door at Ikea Wembley? This is a disaster waiting to happen at a lot of venues and events in this country - under qualified, can't be arsed stewards, getting paid fck all. Of course they're not going to give a fck, or be effective, if it goes off. It's nuts that we expect them to.
- Why have we allowed sporting events - cup finals, NFL, international tournaments - whatever, to get to the point where you are now needing hundreds of quid, and in this case thousands, to get in? We've clamped down on touts outside the ground, while actively promoted and encouraged legalised online touting from Viagogo and the likes, and given them carte blanche to just flog tickets for, in this case, upwards of £4,000. Who's got that sort of money for a football ticket? Not your normal football fans that's for sure. The kid who was interviewed who got up on the bus, bit of a herbert fine, but he said it "I can only dream of that sort of money, I got no chance of getting in". Did you think all of these people were just gonna go "ah never mind" and sit and watch it down the boozer? Some might, but lots of them were always going to come to London, on the booze and the coke. You've priced these people out, did you expect them to be fine with that?
- The absolute explosion in cocaine use in general and at sporting events.
- The shambolic policing of the event. Only rolling in from 3pm. Allowing people to congregate and drink on Wembley Way from 7am whether they had tickets or not. I mean, who's in charge of that? The police seem to have escaped criticism entirely. There was a bit at the end commending them for their bravery ffs. They fcked it. Should that situation arise again it would be policed completely differently which is a tacit admission that they ballsed it up.
- the point about the Covid lockdowns was made but not explored, the mood in the country when they were finally lifted was very much 'give a fck I'm fcking going for it'. Some of the QPR away days around that time were horrible - Peterborough. The point made above about leaving 20,000 seats empty for Covid protocols was, again, made but not explored at all. I mean, what a fcking ludicrous decision that was. 63,000 people in the stadium fine, oh and by the way street party outside before help yourselves, but 83,000 people oh God you're all gonna explode into a thousand covid pieces we can't have that. You've told everybody there's 20,000 empty seats in there, how d'ya think that's gonna go? There was a lot of that nonsense as Covid progressed - six people in the pub garden fine, seven straight to jail.
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Hmmm yeah clearly a 90 minute doco is enough, nobody wants to examine the prevalent themes further and uncover any uncomfortable truths... | |
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 15:29 - May 22 with 9857 views | LimehouseR |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:54 - May 22 by Northernr |
Watched it this morning and, yeh, found it utterly grim and depressing in parts, and a lot of the 'give a fck about anybody else' attitude you just see out and about every day now. The "massive United fan" from Shrewsbury with the neck tats was great wasn't he? What a lad. That's the sort of cnt I get sat next to on planes.
I do think it skated over a few things though that might have been worth digging into over a a more in depth 3-4 parter, rather than just pointing and going "look at all these coked up animals" wrecking it for the middle class parents taking little Hugo to his first football game because they can afford to pay the £3,000+ some of the tickets were going for (to a bloody football match).
Off the top of my head...
- Kicking the game off at 8pm on a Sunday, for the benefit of television and commercial income, wasn't even touched on. There's a reason they stick high profile police games at 12 noon. Fcking football policing 1.1 but because it's better for TV and UEFA and McDonalds we're having it at 8pm. Obviously a fcking disastrous idea - there were pubs in London advertising 6am opening.
- Why, again in the name of commercialism and money, the perimeter of Wembley that used to be car and coach parks, is now some glorified box park, so you can't have a neutral area around the stadium for a big match like just about every other modern venue in the world hosting games like this. How and why has that been allowed to happen? The doc spends the first 10 minutes wnking itself to death over "historic Wembley stadium" "best stadium in the world" when every football fan will tell you it's an overrated, badly designed, rapidly decaying shthole where the best you can do is stick some temporary railings up at the bottom of a set of steps and hope they don't get charged. Is it even fit to host games like this? Head of Brent council who approved all that building was on but not asked about this, just talked about how awful it was having to wade through all those thugs to get to her complimentary seat.
- Why are safety critical roles at major sporting events in this country, involving anywhere up to around 100,000 people in a confined space, entrusted to fly-by-night private security firms, just grabbing any nightclub and pub doorman they can on minimum wage for four hours. What level of security and resistance do you expect from some poor bstrd who usually works the door at Ikea Wembley? This is a disaster waiting to happen at a lot of venues and events in this country - under qualified, can't be arsed stewards, getting paid fck all. Of course they're not going to give a fck, or be effective, if it goes off. It's nuts that we expect them to.
- Why have we allowed sporting events - cup finals, NFL, international tournaments - whatever, to get to the point where you are now needing hundreds of quid, and in this case thousands, to get in? We've clamped down on touts outside the ground, while actively promoted and encouraged legalised online touting from Viagogo and the likes, and given them carte blanche to just flog tickets for, in this case, upwards of £4,000. Who's got that sort of money for a football ticket? Not your normal football fans that's for sure. The kid who was interviewed who got up on the bus, bit of a herbert fine, but he said it "I can only dream of that sort of money, I got no chance of getting in". Did you think all of these people were just gonna go "ah never mind" and sit and watch it down the boozer? Some might, but lots of them were always going to come to London, on the booze and the coke. You've priced these people out, did you expect them to be fine with that?
- The absolute explosion in cocaine use in general and at sporting events.
- The shambolic policing of the event. Only rolling in from 3pm. Allowing people to congregate and drink on Wembley Way from 7am whether they had tickets or not. I mean, who's in charge of that? The police seem to have escaped criticism entirely. There was a bit at the end commending them for their bravery ffs. They fcked it. Should that situation arise again it would be policed completely differently which is a tacit admission that they ballsed it up.
- the point about the Covid lockdowns was made but not explored, the mood in the country when they were finally lifted was very much 'give a fck I'm fcking going for it'. Some of the QPR away days around that time were horrible - Peterborough. The point made above about leaving 20,000 seats empty for Covid protocols was, again, made but not explored at all. I mean, what a fcking ludicrous decision that was. 63,000 people in the stadium fine, oh and by the way street party outside before help yourselves, but 83,000 people oh God you're all gonna explode into a thousand covid pieces we can't have that. You've told everybody there's 20,000 empty seats in there, how d'ya think that's gonna go? There was a lot of that nonsense as Covid progressed - six people in the pub garden fine, seven straight to jail.
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I agree in that the police plan was totally mismanaged. But I also feel credit is due to the police who actually were on the ground. They managed what they could with extremely limited numbers due to the poor planning. They couldn't go charging in making arrests because there just weren't enough of them to do it. It would have left even fewer officers on the ground.
But the high ranking officers who organised it are totally to blame and I hope at the very least lessons were learnt. It's the sort of shambolic planning that should have cost them their jobs but I bet some of them are still in the same rank and role now or have been promoted/quietly retired into the sunset. | | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 15:42 - May 22 with 9799 views | QPunkR |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 13:26 - May 22 by Juzzie |
I said it then, I'll say it now and I'll keep saying it... the biggest fk up was only issuing 67,000 tickets. What a disaster.
How the hell was having 23k less people going to make any difference to any 'social distancing' type of rhetoric? 67k or 90k, you're still having tens of thousands of people on the buses, trains, underground, around the stadium, queuing at turnstiles, in the concourses, in the toilets, buying food etc.
Basically, tens of thousands of people thought " 'kin 'ell... loads of empty seats... I'll have some of that" so when 100k of them turn up.... carnage.
If all 90k tickets had been sold I doubt very much anything on this scale would have happened as those chancer tw@ts simply would not have turned up.
Reports suggest 6,000 people turned up without tickets. Bollox, I heard there were over 100k people in and around Wembley that day.
If it was 'only' 6k then they would have all got in with 15k+ spare seats still.
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No, the 6k without tickets was the number they claim managed to 'jib in' - the reality was far higher than that. And it's lucky it was only 60% capacity - if it had been 100% there would have been serious injuries in that stadium | |
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 16:09 - May 22 with 9649 views | Mick_S |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 15:42 - May 22 by QPunkR |
No, the 6k without tickets was the number they claim managed to 'jib in' - the reality was far higher than that. And it's lucky it was only 60% capacity - if it had been 100% there would have been serious injuries in that stadium |
From what I remember. Attendance stats given after the first England match were completely wrong to anybody that can suss out the amount of spare seats v actual seats taken. Therefore, people were bunking in. More people bunked in as England games continued, because they knew they’d get away with it. Word goes around and Netflix have a documentary.
An almost complete f uck up by many concerned regarding crowd control - stuff being plod or a steward that day. |  |
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| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 16:46 - May 22 with 9563 views | Juzzie |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 14:20 - May 22 by Ned_Kennedys |
I would think loads if not most of the mob outside had no idea there were 20000+ ‘empty’ seats inside.
Most probably thought it would be a big old street drinking party on Wembley Way with a ‘mental’ atmosphere and I bet plenty expected it to have big screens up to watch the game.
A relatively small minority turned up with the specific aim of getting into the ground but once these people started their assault and had some visible success then the mob and herd mentality kicked in and thousands joined in. |
I have no doubt that the mob knew exactly there were thousands of empty seats, that's why they went there... to bunk in.
When it was announced (and it was all over social media) there'd be a reduced capacity my first thought was 'people will try and bunk in knowing there are thousands of spare seats'. I'm not trying to be a 'told you so' but it was so fking obvious. The authorities are so fking cluless. | | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 16:47 - May 22 with 9559 views | BostonR |
The scenes were horrific. But I thought back to my first (and last) time in watching England abroad. I was in Italy in 1980. Some of the violence and lunacy English fans launched into un that tournament does not bear thinking back about.
In the knockout game vs Italy in Turin it was also pretty ugly. The lads I was with got some dodgy tickets and we ended up in amongst the Italian fans who all knew we were English. They did not say a word apart from when Tardelli scored the winner late in the 2nd half.
I have tickets for Eng v Serbia with some lads and I am hoping for a better experience. |  | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 19:01 - May 22 with 9307 views | daveB |
for the 8pm kick off thats decided in advance, the final this year will be 8pm as well and was the same in 2016. Champions league final next weekend is the same as well
They are not going to change it on the off chance England get to the final and fans will spend the day getting off their tits and try and force their way in.
Ultimately the blame lies with the idiots who were self entitled didn't have tickets and forced their way in, everything else is just making excuses for them. |  | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 19:59 - May 22 with 9165 views | JamesB1979 |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 19:01 - May 22 by daveB |
for the 8pm kick off thats decided in advance, the final this year will be 8pm as well and was the same in 2016. Champions league final next weekend is the same as well
They are not going to change it on the off chance England get to the final and fans will spend the day getting off their tits and try and force their way in.
Ultimately the blame lies with the idiots who were self entitled didn't have tickets and forced their way in, everything else is just making excuses for them. |
100%. Using Covid as an excuse. These “people” should just grow up. Life is tough but doesn’t mean you need to smash everything up. Have some consideration for others | | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 20:13 - May 22 with 9121 views | stevec |
Thing no one has mentioned.. it’s always us.
The punishment for the collective failure by the authorities and our thugs should have seen us not be considered for any international finals for 20 years minimum. Guess what, we’ve got Euro 2028.
It actually pays to be violent and incompetent! |  | | |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 22:23 - May 22 with 8876 views | Northernr |
| The Final: Attack on Wembley - Netflix on 19:01 - May 22 by daveB |
for the 8pm kick off thats decided in advance, the final this year will be 8pm as well and was the same in 2016. Champions league final next weekend is the same as well
They are not going to change it on the off chance England get to the final and fans will spend the day getting off their tits and try and force their way in.
Ultimately the blame lies with the idiots who were self entitled didn't have tickets and forced their way in, everything else is just making excuses for them. |
Yeh it does, and I don't seek to make excuses for them because I've spent the first 25 years of my life surrounded by cnts like Shropshire's biggest United fan on that documentary. Dead end people with dead end lives in dead end places, who live and work to get coked up watching "United" in the pub every weekend and then have a fight on the market place after. I've no time for any of them believe me.
As I said at the top of my post there is a proper 'fck you I'll do what I want' attitude in this country atm which you see manifest in all sorts of ways - rife shop lifting, playing your phone out loud on the tube etc. I hate it, hate it.
However, if you are doing a Netflix documentary on why this is generally, or what happened at that game specifically, you can't just spend 90 minutes going "look at these evil coked up baboons" while Mr Middle Class dad with his £3,000 ticket and the leader of Brent Council talk about how awful it all was without examining some of the causes and effects.
Like... who decided you could just be on Wembley Way, ticket or not, from 7am? Who decided the police would only be there from 3pm? This stuff was fcking obvious. How have we got ourselves to the point where we don't have enough police to cope your house gets burgled, your car gets nicked, or you've got an international football final taking place? You could have done an hour on that. You could have done an hour on the effect of social media, both in building momentum behind stuff like this, and the performative cntery it encourages. Were there people with fireworks shoved up their bum at Euro 96? Perhaps you'll tell me there were but I don't remember it.
And instead the doc just goes - look at these fcking scumbags. Well, yeh, there's always gonna be scumbags, particularly at football. You can't just stick a plastic fence round Wembley Stadium and have the police rock up late afternoon thinking that'll probably be fine and then just go "oh, well, scumbags" when it's not. You have to plan and mitigate better than that.
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