| European Elections 20:26 - Jun 9 with 5910 views | Dr_Winston |
A big rise in the Nationalist vote all across the continent. Macron beaten into second place in France by Le Pen's mob. Substantial gains for AfD in Germany and others in Austria. The same likely in Italy.
A natural outcome of people's valid concerns about mass inward migration, the headlong rush towards net zero regardless of the cost to people's lives and the fundamental democratic deficit at the heart of EU power being ignored, or dismissed as racism, fascism, or eco vandalism?
One of the reasons I voted for Brexit, as well as the aforementioned democratic deficit, is that I simply don't see it surviving as an entity for more than another couple of decades if there isn't massive reform, and I'd rather that the UK be nowhere near it when it happens. The will to enact such reform is massively lacking as politicians will never vote to give themselves less power, so the EU will cheerfully carry on ensuring its own ending. |  |
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| European Elections on 20:37 - Jun 9 with 2529 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
This vote in itself will not change anything. As we all know the European Parliament is just there to give the illusion of representation and democracy whilst rubber stamping the arbitrary whims of the hand picked commission.
But it has forced Macron to call a snap election in France. If these results are repeated there we may see a stronger political will from the French to stop the smuggling gangs trafficking thousands into France and onto the beaches ready to break into our country. |  |
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| European Elections on 21:29 - Jun 9 with 2472 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
Poland and Hungary are in the EU and have very tough immigration laws. Uk has not improved immigration number and illegal immigration since Brexit.
This suggests to me immigration has more to do with the UK Government and its legal system than the EU. A clear rule is that illegal immigrants picked up in the channel should be returned to France. |  |
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| European Elections on 21:40 - Jun 9 with 2451 views | Flashberryjack |
At least London and all our major our cities have low levels of serious crime. |  |
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| European Elections on 22:05 - Jun 9 with 2435 views | Wingstandwood |
| European Elections on 21:40 - Jun 9 by Flashberryjack |
At least London and all our major our cities have low levels of serious crime. |
It's dreadful the way so many countries are deliberately destroying themselves, when at the very same time there is a bizarre WOKE-virtue signaling vanity contest going on amongst 'right-on' idiots with little concern for rocketing crime figures and horrendous societal impact.
Point out the utter insanity of it all, show concern for the future then you get labelled a 'bigot' like Nigel Farage was by that Plaid Cymru nobody during the BBC debate. |  |
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| European Elections on 23:03 - Jun 9 with 2405 views | Luther27 |
Basically I felt I was having the pss ripped out of me. It now appears Europeans now feel the same way.
I’m pretty sure…no matter how much the media portray far right bigotry….people are realising how hypocritical and bias policies are driving tax paying honest people into poverty. Personally I’m fed up of working for pocket money after being taxed to the hilt and seeing my money peed up against the wall to pay for ideals that label me as a bigot. |  | | |
| European Elections on 07:05 - Jun 10 with 2341 views | Dr_Winston |
It's interesting how the framing has been allowed to shift.
I mentioned briefly the other day the absurdity of the current wet blanket Tory party being described as "extreme right wing" when in reality it's not even as right wing as it was (or at least claimed to be) in 2019, never mind during Thatcher's pomp in the 80's.
Many (although by no means all) of the politicians currently being labelled as "Far Right" by the media are in reality about as far from the extremes of the right as they are from the centre. Those on the left and their fellow travellers in the establishment have spent decades depicting anyone even vaguely right of centre as fascist and people are seeing through that now, or at least so fed up of being ignored that they just don't care any more. | |
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| European Elections on 07:57 - Jun 10 with 2320 views | Boundy |
Coming to a City near you, maybe not today , nor tomorrow but its coming. | |
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| European Elections on 09:23 - Jun 10 with 2283 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| European Elections on 07:05 - Jun 10 by Dr_Winston |
It's interesting how the framing has been allowed to shift.
I mentioned briefly the other day the absurdity of the current wet blanket Tory party being described as "extreme right wing" when in reality it's not even as right wing as it was (or at least claimed to be) in 2019, never mind during Thatcher's pomp in the 80's.
Many (although by no means all) of the politicians currently being labelled as "Far Right" by the media are in reality about as far from the extremes of the right as they are from the centre. Those on the left and their fellow travellers in the establishment have spent decades depicting anyone even vaguely right of centre as fascist and people are seeing through that now, or at least so fed up of being ignored that they just don't care any more. |
What is now described as “far right” was seen as a completely sensible stance for most of our countries history. Our post war Labour administration under Clement Attlee is seen as one of our most left wing, socialist governments we’ve had. Yet here is a letter from a number of Labour MP’s of the time writing to Atlee to urge caution and legislate for more control over immigration following the arrival of folks from Windrush. Do we now denounce the Labour Party of the 40’s as a far right Nazi gammon little englander bunch of fascist bastards?
“This country may become an open reception centre for immigrants not selected in respect to health, education, training, character, customs and above all, whether assimilation is possible or not.
The British people fortunately enjoy a profound unity without uniformity in their way of life, and are blest by the absence of a colour racial problem. An influx of coloured people domiciled here is likely to impair the harmony, strength and cohesion of our public and social life and to cause discord and unhappiness among all concerned.
In our opinion colonial governments are responsible for the welfare of their peoples and Britain is giving these governments great financial assistance to enable them to solve their population problems. We venture to suggest that the British Government should, like foreign countries, the dominions and even some of the colonies, by legislation if necessary, control immigration in the political, social, economic and fiscal interests of our people.
In our opinion such legislation or administrative action would be almost universally approved by our people.”
Letter to the Prime Minister, 22 June, 1948.
Attlees response was as you would expect from one of the greatest statesmen of the age impeccably measured suggesting that they were hard working folk who would contribute to the community and there would not be a problem as long as the numbers remain small although he did say action would be taken against “undesirables”.
Now somewhere along the line we’ve gone away from a sensible measured approach to a position where any “undesirable” (Attlees words not mine) can come here freely from any part of the globe unchecked no questions asked. The whole system is broken from immigration to tax to the health system to the welfare state, all these fantastic ideas that everyone worked so hard to build following the horrors of the war now lie in ruin. | |
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| European Elections on 09:27 - Jun 10 with 2280 views | onehunglow |
| European Elections on 09:23 - Jun 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
What is now described as “far right” was seen as a completely sensible stance for most of our countries history. Our post war Labour administration under Clement Attlee is seen as one of our most left wing, socialist governments we’ve had. Yet here is a letter from a number of Labour MP’s of the time writing to Atlee to urge caution and legislate for more control over immigration following the arrival of folks from Windrush. Do we now denounce the Labour Party of the 40’s as a far right Nazi gammon little englander bunch of fascist bastards?
“This country may become an open reception centre for immigrants not selected in respect to health, education, training, character, customs and above all, whether assimilation is possible or not.
The British people fortunately enjoy a profound unity without uniformity in their way of life, and are blest by the absence of a colour racial problem. An influx of coloured people domiciled here is likely to impair the harmony, strength and cohesion of our public and social life and to cause discord and unhappiness among all concerned.
In our opinion colonial governments are responsible for the welfare of their peoples and Britain is giving these governments great financial assistance to enable them to solve their population problems. We venture to suggest that the British Government should, like foreign countries, the dominions and even some of the colonies, by legislation if necessary, control immigration in the political, social, economic and fiscal interests of our people.
In our opinion such legislation or administrative action would be almost universally approved by our people.”
Letter to the Prime Minister, 22 June, 1948.
Attlees response was as you would expect from one of the greatest statesmen of the age impeccably measured suggesting that they were hard working folk who would contribute to the community and there would not be a problem as long as the numbers remain small although he did say action would be taken against “undesirables”.
Now somewhere along the line we’ve gone away from a sensible measured approach to a position where any “undesirable” (Attlees words not mine) can come here freely from any part of the globe unchecked no questions asked. The whole system is broken from immigration to tax to the health system to the welfare state, all these fantastic ideas that everyone worked so hard to build following the horrors of the war now lie in ruin. |
My view is that immigrants of colour are attractive to Labour and rather milk it for all its worth . | |
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| European Elections on 10:54 - Jun 10 with 2256 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| European Elections on 09:27 - Jun 10 by onehunglow |
My view is that immigrants of colour are attractive to Labour and rather milk it for all its worth . |
Recent events in Rochdale suggest their support amongst certain demographics is wobbling. I’m not sure Galloway’s mob will be able to do much damage but they may pinch a few seats. | |
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| European Elections on 12:34 - Jun 10 with 2197 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
I see one of Macron's MPs has decided that the result of the elections in France is a threat to democracy, well if you don't like the result.......... |  |
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| European Elections on 14:41 - Jun 10 with 2153 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| European Elections on 12:34 - Jun 10 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I see one of Macron's MPs has decided that the result of the elections in France is a threat to democracy, well if you don't like the result.......... |
Talking of France here are the main aims of the “far right” national rally that I have shamelessly copied and pasted from the bbc website:
But what do they want? At the last presidential election in 2022, when Marine Le Pen was the candidate, the National Rally programme included:
A promise to hold a referendum to enshrine control of immigration into the constitution
A ban on wearing headscarves in public
The withdrawing of residency permits for migrants who are unemployed longer than a year
The removal of birthright citizenship
The privatisation of the public broadcaster
Slashing fuel, gas and electricity taxes from 20% to 5.5%
The end of income tax for under-30s
Increase to pensions and early retirement at 60 for those with 40 years' work
Now I would fundamentally disagree with the banning of headscarves, that seems unnecessarily petty. I would also question the removal of birthright citizenship. I think if you’re born and grow up in a country you should get citizenship.
But the rest of it doesn’t sound too horrendous. I like the idea of getting to retire at 60 if you have worked for 40 years. | |
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| European Elections on 14:57 - Jun 10 with 2143 views | Dr_Winston |
| European Elections on 14:41 - Jun 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Talking of France here are the main aims of the “far right” national rally that I have shamelessly copied and pasted from the bbc website:
But what do they want? At the last presidential election in 2022, when Marine Le Pen was the candidate, the National Rally programme included:
A promise to hold a referendum to enshrine control of immigration into the constitution
A ban on wearing headscarves in public
The withdrawing of residency permits for migrants who are unemployed longer than a year
The removal of birthright citizenship
The privatisation of the public broadcaster
Slashing fuel, gas and electricity taxes from 20% to 5.5%
The end of income tax for under-30s
Increase to pensions and early retirement at 60 for those with 40 years' work
Now I would fundamentally disagree with the banning of headscarves, that seems unnecessarily petty. I would also question the removal of birthright citizenship. I think if you’re born and grow up in a country you should get citizenship.
But the rest of it doesn’t sound too horrendous. I like the idea of getting to retire at 60 if you have worked for 40 years. |
That pension thing caught my eye too.
Obviously there would have to be a clause that protects people who have been genuinely unable to work for health reasons, caring reasons or similar, but I've always supported the idea of a heavy contributory element to all state benefits that rewards a strong NI record, including pensions.
As for immigration, I would like to implement three simple rules. #1, no leaving the UK for ten years after a successful claim for refugee status. #2, refugee status can be revoked without right of appeal if any serious criminal offence is committed in the first ten years. #3, any family members not present at the time refugee status is claimed are not covered by it and subject to general immigration rules. [Post edited 10 Jun 15:03]
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| European Elections on 15:03 - Jun 10 with 2134 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| European Elections on 14:57 - Jun 10 by Dr_Winston |
That pension thing caught my eye too.
Obviously there would have to be a clause that protects people who have been genuinely unable to work for health reasons, caring reasons or similar, but I've always supported the idea of a heavy contributory element to all state benefits that rewards a strong NI record, including pensions.
As for immigration, I would like to implement three simple rules. #1, no leaving the UK for ten years after a successful claim for refugee status. #2, refugee status can be revoked without right of appeal if any serious criminal offence is committed in the first ten years. #3, any family members not present at the time refugee status is claimed are not covered by it and subject to general immigration rules. [Post edited 10 Jun 15:03]
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The retirement age is going up to 68 here soon. The average life expectancy for a bloke is 73. That’s only 5 years to enjoy your retirement (on average) for a lifetime of hard work and paying shit loads into the system. They really want us to work until we are dead. | |
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| European Elections on 15:04 - Jun 10 with 2132 views | Boundy |
| European Elections on 21:40 - Jun 9 by Flashberryjack |
At least London and all our major our cities have low levels of serious crime. |
I must have been away ,when was that declared | |
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| European Elections on 15:04 - Jun 10 with 2133 views | AnotherJohn |
| European Elections on 14:41 - Jun 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Talking of France here are the main aims of the “far right” national rally that I have shamelessly copied and pasted from the bbc website:
But what do they want? At the last presidential election in 2022, when Marine Le Pen was the candidate, the National Rally programme included:
A promise to hold a referendum to enshrine control of immigration into the constitution
A ban on wearing headscarves in public
The withdrawing of residency permits for migrants who are unemployed longer than a year
The removal of birthright citizenship
The privatisation of the public broadcaster
Slashing fuel, gas and electricity taxes from 20% to 5.5%
The end of income tax for under-30s
Increase to pensions and early retirement at 60 for those with 40 years' work
Now I would fundamentally disagree with the banning of headscarves, that seems unnecessarily petty. I would also question the removal of birthright citizenship. I think if you’re born and grow up in a country you should get citizenship.
But the rest of it doesn’t sound too horrendous. I like the idea of getting to retire at 60 if you have worked for 40 years. |
Interestingly, we do not have full birthright citizenship in the UK. One parent must be a UK citizen or have settled status. The law changed in 1983, as far as I remember mainly to end the incentive for immigrants who were unlikely to get citizenship in any other way from giving birth to a child in the UK, who could then be used as an anchor for the parents' subsequent immigration applications. Many other countries have similar rules. France does not, although its overseas territory of Mayotte does - following a law change to cut off what was perceived as an undesirable immigration route.
I agree with the argument that the "far right" label is overused, and that politicians of an earlier era saw things very differently. [Post edited 10 Jun 15:07]
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| European Elections on 15:33 - Jun 10 with 2122 views | Dr_Winston |
| European Elections on 15:03 - Jun 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The retirement age is going up to 68 here soon. The average life expectancy for a bloke is 73. That’s only 5 years to enjoy your retirement (on average) for a lifetime of hard work and paying shit loads into the system. They really want us to work until we are dead. |
If people insist on living longer then it's got to be paid for somehow. | |
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| European Elections on 15:41 - Jun 10 with 2109 views | Flashberryjack |
| European Elections on 15:33 - Jun 10 by Dr_Winston |
If people insist on living longer then it's got to be paid for somehow. |
I see where you are coming from, but how many people don't get old enough to collect their old age pensions. | |
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| European Elections on 15:53 - Jun 10 with 2085 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| European Elections on 15:41 - Jun 10 by Flashberryjack |
I see where you are coming from, but how many people don't get old enough to collect their old age pensions. |
Also how many companies realistically want to take on 65 year olds? | |
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| European Elections on 17:58 - Jun 10 with 2048 views | SullutaCreturned |
Many of the reasons I voted leave are wrapped up in the OP. I saw the EU as undemocratic in several ways and I hated the Commission being selected by other politicians rather than elected by the people.
It is really galling to be classed a racist because I voted leave.
This swing to the "far right" is something I thought inevitable as people got fed up of being dictated to by the unelected commission. Bringing so many different countries together and making them all obey the same rules seemed like a recipe for disaster to me. Recently of course they have been trying to do away with any vetoes.
It should never have been more than a trade bloc. What worries me more is the idea of an EU army and Macron was pushing for the EU to have greater military strength but they don't need it they just need to stick with NATO and if Trump pulled the USA out thenstick with a NATO without the USA. | | | |
| European Elections on 18:04 - Jun 10 with 2017 views | controversial_jack |
| European Elections on 15:53 - Jun 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Also how many companies realistically want to take on 65 year olds? |
They don't want to take them on they want to retain them | | | |
| European Elections on 21:22 - Jun 10 with 1987 views | KeithHaynes |
Spain and Denmark are pretty left wing. But the rise of Vox in Spain (politically a right wing party) should be a warning. Or welcomed, dependent on your political place. |  |
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