| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat 19:07 - Oct 31 with 14407 views | safcinpeace |
Ok I have been waiting for a pre match thread to start rather than jump onto other threads not necessarily linked to the game, so I hope you don’t mind me starting this one.
I will start with this link to an analysis of how Sunderland played against Oxford, which I hope gives you an idea of how we try to play. For balance I will post one about how we lost to Plymouth when I find it.
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/how-did-the-lads-pummel-oxford.1643560/pag
So how are we, Sunderland fans feeling? Well as you might expect, five points clear at the top and having our best start to a season since 1892, yes 1892, we are a very happy bunch of campers!
We always seem to come to your place in good form and do well, while you lot come up north a take a point off us. Obviously I am hoping that the first part of that pattern continues on Saturday.
I posted this on the other thread but will add it here as well, it is a podcast, What The Falk, which previews the game with Clive from Loft for Words.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/6UG9HvDksg8HHJzqVPm7W5?si=jFXEb51FSpO16PQ7TD1md
Listening to that it would appear that your new owners have looked at what we have done with recruitment and tried to do the same. The difference would appear to be our 26 year old is the owner of the club and he has appointed people who know how to run a football club , while your owners have appointed a 26 year old, with little or no football experience to run your recruitment.
The result is at our end we have recruited very well and at very little cost. The team we started with against Oxford cost less than £6m to assemble, if we were to sell them now the value would be over £100m by some estimates, Jobe and Rigg making up the bulk of that.
I will leave you to comment on how your data based recruitment has gone.
We continue to field the youngest starting eleven in the division most weeks and this has led to a number of commentators saying will will fall away due to inexperience, that may be the case, but when you look at players like Dan Neil with almost 100 championship appearances and even Jobe with 50, they may be young but they are not inexperienced. What’s more a lot of the team have been playing together three years and have a good understanding with each other.
So what has changed since last season, in short we have a new manager who enjoys working with intelligent young players who can adapt to different playing patterns in game, resulting in a fluid formation with each player well drilled in what is expected and wonder of wonders we actually have strikers! Last season we played without a striker, I think the so called strikers managed about two goals between them, I am not kidding with that stat either. This often meant we had no one willing to get into the box and when we got forward the wide players had no one to cross to, so took on the shot, this obviously worked well for Jack Clarke. It did mean we were over reliant on Clarke as our only attacking outlet at times. This season we have options up top and players who know when and where to make runs into the box, it is almost like we have filled a hole in the team.
So what has changed in terms of personnel? Not much really. We lost Clarke, but we had his replacement already on the books, in Mundle, who has started very well with four goals already, he is bigger and stronger than Clarke and will run at your right back every chance he gets, we already have his replacement coming through in a young lad called Tommy Watson, and his replacement appears to be developing nicely in the under 18’s a kid called Walsh, but that is the way the director of football is trying to develop the squad.
In terms of new signings in the starting eleven, you will see Wilson Isidor starting up top , four goals in six starts and some beautiful goals as well. He is on loan from St Petersburg with a commitment to buy if we go up and an option to buy if we don’t. He looks like the solution to our striker issues and this has changed the way we play and has increased the threat we cause to other teams. The only other one likely to start is Chris Metham, on loan from Bournemouth, he came into the team when Dan Ballard was injured and has formed a very good partnership with our very own little shithouse Luke ONien , a player you love to have in your team but hate if he plays against you. Other than that the other nine were on our books last season.
The key to how we play is centred on an intelligent press, not all out pressing which can result in gaps in midfield if the press fails, but pressing at key points and in numbers, basically setting traps for the other team. Once the press has won the ball we transition very quickly into attacking positions. Out of possession we hold our formation very tight in the middle of the park, giving up space wide on either side, allowing the other teams wide players some space just inside our own half before the wider of the midfield players on that side and the full back double up on the player in possession with a third and sometimes a forth midfielder or defender closing off any outlet.
We sometimes forget that the average age of the three in the middle is only 19, but in Jobe we have a player who is bossing games like he is a mature experienced player, his ceiling is very high, then you have the 17 year old Chris Rigg, who commentators are saying is possibly even better than Jobe.
If that all sounds too good to be true it might be and like all football fans we see games through rose tinted spectacles when things are going well and just now they are going very well, so my specs might well be very tinted.
But we have lost two games and been challenged in others so how have teams done this? Against Plymouth in the second half they played at a very high intensity and forced mistakes, a penalty and an own goal leading to two of their three goals and against Watford having got back into the game Dan Neil gave away a needless penalty . So running at us in the box has forced errors and we can be susceptible to the odd brain fart .
I do think you have some quality in your squad and a decent manager and your position is false, there are teams much worse than you in this league and you will not go down, but what do you think?
I will find the tactical analysis of at least one off the two defeats, so you can so what we did wrong and post those later. |  | | |  |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:29 - Nov 2 with 2954 views | rbee |
Good afternoon everyone.
Buckle down, tin hats on, it’s going to be a tough week. |  | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:30 - Nov 2 with 2941 views | Malintabuk |
Just got to my seat and there is a definite air of pessimism about the place, and I don't think that team is doing much to lift it..
Not sure what we can say... the only glimmer I have is that I spoke to some lads who went to Burnley and they told me the same fear of a mauling was about there as it is here... we really are in the Sh!t ain't we?
Be pleased with a draw ... hope springs internal and all thatc [Post edited 2 Nov 14:31]
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:31 - Nov 2 with 2906 views | Gus_iom |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:26 - Nov 2 by safcinpeace |
So we are missing Rigg due to either a chest infection or a heart condition according to rumours. I hope it’s not the later. Other than that the same team as last week with Brown stepping into Riggs place. Not a bad replacement.
You seem to have a very makeshift defence today. |
Hope Rigg is OK.
Makeshift defence is high praise indeed for that. I can only be thankful Fox is still absent, after the performance he squeezed out last time round for him.
Definitely a difficult second album for Marti, but he'll see us right. | | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:32 - Nov 2 with 2880 views | numptydumpty |
Crikey what a team
Celar given chance after chance
No JCS Fox Dembele Paal Frey obviously.
Some of our players are too injury prone or have the odd cold.
What explains Fox and Dembele picking up something on the Friday before last game.. Unlikely be any training then Even if there was , injuries occurring not on match days is amateurish.
Very youthful bench
JCS also. No injury during match as far as we aware but his injury record is beginning to irritate. |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:35 - Nov 2 with 2804 views | davman |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:26 - Nov 2 by safcinpeace |
So we are missing Rigg due to either a chest infection or a heart condition according to rumours. I hope it’s not the later. Other than that the same team as last week with Brown stepping into Riggs place. Not a bad replacement.
You seem to have a very makeshift defence today. |
If they can't beat us by 3 or 4, they do not deserve to go up. I thought Ainsworth had the worst team the Champ has ever seen. That XI and that bench can't be far off.
Shocking. Shocking. |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:41 - Nov 2 with 2678 views | Mick_S |
Calf Park Rangers 0 - 4 Sunderland take it easy and only score 4.
Ish. |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:52 - Nov 2 with 2464 views | derbyhoop |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:26 - Nov 2 by safcinpeace |
So we are missing Rigg due to either a chest infection or a heart condition according to rumours. I hope it’s not the later. Other than that the same team as last week with Brown stepping into Riggs place. Not a bad replacement.
You seem to have a very makeshift defence today. |
Indeed.
I suspect 1500 SAFC fans will have a better day out than 15,000 Rs fans |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:56 - Nov 2 with 2381 views | R_from_afar |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 14:26 - Nov 2 by safcinpeace |
So we are missing Rigg due to either a chest infection or a heart condition according to rumours. I hope it’s not the later. Other than that the same team as last week with Brown stepping into Riggs place. Not a bad replacement.
You seem to have a very makeshift defence today. |
I hope Rigg "only" has a chest infection.
Man alive, our bench is genuinely one of our weakest ever, surely. Only one defender on it and a real lack of experience. Worrying. If we get anything from this game, it will be quite an achievement.
Come on my team. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:02 - Nov 2 with 2258 views | HantsR |
That was the worst minutes silence I've ever heard here |  | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:06 - Nov 2 with 2135 views | aston_hoop |
POsitive first 5 from us. Chair taking the game on himself in attacking positions |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:07 - Nov 2 with 2120 views | Rs_Holy |
havent conceded yet ... I'm going for a 1-1 |  | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:07 - Nov 2 with 2113 views | danehoop |
Can we everyone to just call it finished at this point? |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:08 - Nov 2 with 2104 views | sdm1508 |
What formation are we playing and who's where? | | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:08 - Nov 2 with 2077 views | aston_hoop |
Oh no Celar | |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:09 - Nov 2 with 2052 views | strikerace |
Please take Celar out, play a defender or mid field player instead, really anyone else | | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:14 - Nov 2 with 1795 views | Tonto |
So is this also the match thread? |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:16 - Nov 2 with 1727 views | DavieQPR |
Next time start the thread with just a couple of lines please. |  | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:19 - Nov 2 with 1591 views | rbee |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:08 - Nov 2 by aston_hoop |
Oh no Celar |
At least Celar was where he was supposed to be.
You have to assume that Marti was aware at the beginning of the week who would be missing today so had most of the week to work with this line up. | | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:20 - Nov 2 with 1569 views | FredManRave |
Smyth and Chair with the shortest wall in football history. |  |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:23 - Nov 2 with 1455 views | Pdog |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:20 - Nov 2 by FredManRave |
Smyth and Chair with the shortest wall in football history. |
More of a speed bump. |  | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:24 - Nov 2 with 1437 views | R_from_afar |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:20 - Nov 2 by FredManRave |
Smyth and Chair with the shortest wall in football history. |
We're the only team in the land whose wall has a draught excluder *on top* of it  | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:28 - Nov 2 with 1252 views | KildarePete |
Young Morgan is playing very well. Helping out in defense and not afraid to play a long forward pass. | | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:32 - Nov 2 with 1101 views | aston_hoop |
Varane is growing and growing. Looks a good find. Stick with this lad, he does have it | |
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| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:32 - Nov 2 with 1096 views | joolsyp |
Varane and Morgan have been excellent for us so far. |  | | |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:34 - Nov 2 with 1042 views | VancouverHoop |
| QPR Vs Sunderland pre match chat on 15:28 - Nov 2 by KildarePete |
Young Morgan is playing very well. Helping out in defense and not afraid to play a long forward pass. |
Agree. Varane and Madsen are doing well too, even Celar looks more animated than in previous matches. | | | |
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