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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 02:37 - Jun 16 with 5806 views | Sandyman |
Wow. A scoop for the podcast to get Cameron on. To hear these words is as good as it gets.
We've proper landed on our feet with the Ogdens, and to hear it in such a format, which won't be fooled as the questions imply, is as good as we could wish for.
This isn't Stewart Day BS. We see the actions meeting the words.
A must listen. Well done to all. |  |
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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 06:40 - Jun 16 with 5693 views | TalkingSutty |
Great listen, well done to all involved and Cameron for his comprehensive answers.
The insight into how the Ogden family first became aware of the clubs plight, big thanks to Mark Hodkinson for the initial contact and compiling his email. The personal story of Sir Peter Ogden meeting up with his school friend at Wembley, Cameron on the pitch with the trophy, the joy they witnessed from the Dale fans that day. Special moments that would not have happened to them had they not stepped in to help the club. Something that i'm sure Sir Peter and all his family will remember forever.
The ambition, to take this club further than it's been before and that means back to EFL1 at least and make it stronger. You're going backwards withoit ambition. Everything is moving forward now and it sounds like Ian Watson has bought into the philosophy of the club, community engagement, growing the crowd and the importance of the Academy. The clubs never been in a better place. |  | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 13:53 - Jun 16 with 5300 views | Kentish_Dale |
Congratulations on reaching 100 eps lads, and well done for getting Cameron on to mark it. Great interview. | | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 14:07 - Jun 16 with 5263 views | James1980 |
Having honest generous owners who genuinely care about the well being of the club is the reward for fighting off the hostile takeover and never selling out to a charlatan that would have told us to enjoy the ride. Great listen and well done for getting these people involved in the inner workings in the club on the podcast. | |
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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 14:14 - Jun 16 with 5231 views | TVOS1907 |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 02:37 - Jun 16 by Sandyman |
Wow. A scoop for the podcast to get Cameron on. To hear these words is as good as it gets.
We've proper landed on our feet with the Ogdens, and to hear it in such a format, which won't be fooled as the questions imply, is as good as we could wish for.
This isn't Stewart Day BS. We see the actions meeting the words.
A must listen. Well done to all. |
Isitme has already posted about this, but while we're talking of scoops, it would also be fair to post a reminder about Fitzochris's new book reflecting on the season just gone.
As well as a month-by-month review of the campaign, there are extensive interviews with Cameron Ogden, Jimmy McNulty, Mani D, Ollie W, etc, to provide a lasting reminder of a memorable season.
I doubt any other club of Dale's size has such a large library of books as we have, going right back to Brian Clough's 'Forward with the Dale'.
The book can be ordered here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/18
or here: https://www.pitchpublishing.co
I also believe there will be copies in the Club Shop. [Post edited 16 Jun 14:17]
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Elite? No.
Heavyweight poster? No.
Able to be rational and not over-react to individual results? Yes. |
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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 17:35 - Jun 16 with 5042 views | BlackburnDale |
Great listen, thanks to all concerned including Cameron for his up front replies to some fascinating questions put to him regarding all manner of subjects both on & off the field relating to the community.
I'm really glad as well that the podcast lads thanked Cameron & family for the incredible transformation of the Club again both on & off the field! That was a superb podcast, thanks very much!! | | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 19:23 - Jun 16 with 4868 views | isitme |
An excellent interview. Very insightful about a full range of topics. I liked the positivity of targeting League One within three years. |  | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 19:36 - Jun 16 with 4827 views | dingdangblue |
Wonderful listen. We are so lucky to have the Ogdens. Sounds like they are definitely here for the long haul and they have well and truly caught the Dale bug. Great Cameron talks about Wembley being one of the best days of his life! And also investing with a view to not making money back. Interesting he talked about York enquiring about Beckwith last season - hadn't heard anything about that previously. |  |
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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 05:45 - Jun 17 with 4511 views | TalkingSutty |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 19:36 - Jun 16 by dingdangblue |
Wonderful listen. We are so lucky to have the Ogdens. Sounds like they are definitely here for the long haul and they have well and truly caught the Dale bug. Great Cameron talks about Wembley being one of the best days of his life! And also investing with a view to not making money back. Interesting he talked about York enquiring about Beckwith last season - hadn't heard anything about that previously. |
When you look at the difference the Ogden family have made in their first two years involvement with the club it's unbelievable. Money obviously helps but so does experience in business and having the ability to communicate properly which in turn opens doors. Cameron ended up on the hallowed turf at Wembley, lifting the trophy in front of 10,000 Dale fans, his dad must have been so proud of him and the whole family. I imagine when you've done something like that it's impossible to turn your back and just walk away. I don't think they'll ever be able to leave now even if their heads tell them they should, the club will be in their blood now..a life sentence.
Going forward i wouldn't put a time limit on reaching EFL1 because you set yourself up for criticism, it would help with project 5000 though. The self sustainabilty ambitions also, i'm not sure that will ever be entirely possible but maybe the Ogden family can justify the annual loss if it means community ventures are benefitting through sport and partnerships with the club. As the club grows and the academy/ Bowlee project comes to fruition maybe apprenticeship schemes for young people will present themselves in catering, hospitality, coaching, fitness and health, groundwork/maintenance, business. Partnerships with the NHS, schools and colleges can be forged. It's a long term project that's for sure.
The Ogden Trust is a charitable organisation and if all of this comes to fruition then servicing a annual debt from the football club might be seen as money well spent because it's generated employment and the local community and minority groups are benefitting. Could the football club come under the Ogden's umbrella as a on going charitable venture because of the above, or the aims and objectives of a community club be adjusted to allow that? If that's the case then losing a couple of million pounds a season might not be even viewed as a debt when you look at the benefit the football club brings to young and older persons physical and mental health, those with disabilities, learning difficulties, minority groups etc. You can't put a price on that. Maybe a lot of that annual debt could be offset by accessing funding/ grants/ sponsorship, if anybody knows it will be the Ogden family. Where are the Co-op in all of this and other large local businesses?
There is now clarity in the Ogdens vision for the club, it's to use it as the vehicle to bring all aspects of the community together, especially those who are marginalised for a variety of reasons. If ever a Town and football club needed this it's Rochdale. A venture that deserves National media exposure in how local football clubs can be utilised to benefit the whole community. A lasting legacy which Sir Peter Ogden will be very proud of and it buys into the spirit of the co-operative movement which originally put Rochdale on the map. [Post edited 17 Jun 7:20]
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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 10:48 - Jun 17 with 4228 views | samueloneils |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 05:45 - Jun 17 by TalkingSutty |
When you look at the difference the Ogden family have made in their first two years involvement with the club it's unbelievable. Money obviously helps but so does experience in business and having the ability to communicate properly which in turn opens doors. Cameron ended up on the hallowed turf at Wembley, lifting the trophy in front of 10,000 Dale fans, his dad must have been so proud of him and the whole family. I imagine when you've done something like that it's impossible to turn your back and just walk away. I don't think they'll ever be able to leave now even if their heads tell them they should, the club will be in their blood now..a life sentence.
Going forward i wouldn't put a time limit on reaching EFL1 because you set yourself up for criticism, it would help with project 5000 though. The self sustainabilty ambitions also, i'm not sure that will ever be entirely possible but maybe the Ogden family can justify the annual loss if it means community ventures are benefitting through sport and partnerships with the club. As the club grows and the academy/ Bowlee project comes to fruition maybe apprenticeship schemes for young people will present themselves in catering, hospitality, coaching, fitness and health, groundwork/maintenance, business. Partnerships with the NHS, schools and colleges can be forged. It's a long term project that's for sure.
The Ogden Trust is a charitable organisation and if all of this comes to fruition then servicing a annual debt from the football club might be seen as money well spent because it's generated employment and the local community and minority groups are benefitting. Could the football club come under the Ogden's umbrella as a on going charitable venture because of the above, or the aims and objectives of a community club be adjusted to allow that? If that's the case then losing a couple of million pounds a season might not be even viewed as a debt when you look at the benefit the football club brings to young and older persons physical and mental health, those with disabilities, learning difficulties, minority groups etc. You can't put a price on that. Maybe a lot of that annual debt could be offset by accessing funding/ grants/ sponsorship, if anybody knows it will be the Ogden family. Where are the Co-op in all of this and other large local businesses?
There is now clarity in the Ogdens vision for the club, it's to use it as the vehicle to bring all aspects of the community together, especially those who are marginalised for a variety of reasons. If ever a Town and football club needed this it's Rochdale. A venture that deserves National media exposure in how local football clubs can be utilised to benefit the whole community. A lasting legacy which Sir Peter Ogden will be very proud of and it buys into the spirit of the co-operative movement which originally put Rochdale on the map. [Post edited 17 Jun 7:20]
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You know, you are becoming quite a spokesman for the club and its management. Have you ever thought of broadening your horizons into a political scene?
I believe there may be a vacancy or two in Manchester Town Hall and Ashton in Makerfield shortly.
Seriously though, you have summed up the Ogden perspective very nicely and we are very fortunate to have that driving force behind us. Also the involvement of the MBC in Bowlee and hopefully other worthwhile causes, and why not the Coop? | | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 10:58 - Jun 17 with 4195 views | samueloneils |
I found the comments by Cameron re the spending limits sounded very reassuring. It appears that any expenditure of what we call "capital" nature is exempt from the calculations entirely. so anything on stadium or ground development is clear, as is expenditure designed to attract people to the club. Only "revenue" costs , mainly payroll and signing costs, are caught. It also magnifies the importance of bringing through young players for sales to offset signings. Many bigger clubs will fall foul of this. | | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 11:18 - Jun 17 with 4127 views | TalkingSutty |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 10:48 - Jun 17 by samueloneils |
You know, you are becoming quite a spokesman for the club and its management. Have you ever thought of broadening your horizons into a political scene?
I believe there may be a vacancy or two in Manchester Town Hall and Ashton in Makerfield shortly.
Seriously though, you have summed up the Ogden perspective very nicely and we are very fortunate to have that driving force behind us. Also the involvement of the MBC in Bowlee and hopefully other worthwhile causes, and why not the Coop? |
There's a lot of discussion about on field matters, i was just musing about how the Ogdens might view the annual debt off it. I dont think being self sufficient will ever be a reality but others might think differently. I don't know anybody up at the club or even converse with them so i'm certainly not a spokesman for them, nor do i wish to be. It's a fans forum so i'm just doing what you're supposed to do and posting what i think in respect of the theme of this thread and response to others posts. I'm happy with the direction of the club and the new manager seems a good appointment, he speaks well. [Post edited 17 Jun 11:23]
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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 12:04 - Jun 17 with 3992 views | 49thseason |
The problem is that the amount of money that the shareholders can commit to the club for buying players is limited by the EFL by what is called the "salary cost management protocol "which in turn means that crowds, transfers etc. are increasingly important elements in the club's ability to move forwards.
All EFL members are not equal, the TV income is heavily weighted towards Championship clubs, as are the voting rights of member clubs... The only solution is to increase the earnings of the club, hence the push to improve crowds, bars, catering, shop etc. Only 50% of tis income can be spent on players salaries....Put simply, the club has to earn money in every way it can from its own resources if it wants to progress beyond the lower reaches of the EFL.
AI view.."Leagues One & Two (Salary Cost Management Protocol): These tiers use the SCMP system, which directly ties spending ( on players wages) strictly to a 50% cap of club turnover. It completely excludes transfer fee amortization, focusing purely on ongoing wage bills"....
In the 2026/27 season, EFL League Two clubs receive approximately £1.5 million each in guaranteed central distributions. This total is a baseline figure that combines the basic award (a share of the EFL broadcast rights) and solidarity payments from the Premier League.
Breakdown of Funds
Guaranteed Central Award: Around £1.5 million per club is distributed to all teams in the division, regardless of their final position in the table.
Merit Payments: Additional funds are awarded on a sliding scale depending on where a club finishes in the league table at the end of the season.
Facility Fees: Clubs receive supplemental broadcast fees (up to £100,000 per home match) if their games are selected for live television coverage or streaming. |  | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 12:22 - Jun 17 with 3944 views | TalkingSutty |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 12:04 - Jun 17 by 49thseason |
The problem is that the amount of money that the shareholders can commit to the club for buying players is limited by the EFL by what is called the "salary cost management protocol "which in turn means that crowds, transfers etc. are increasingly important elements in the club's ability to move forwards.
All EFL members are not equal, the TV income is heavily weighted towards Championship clubs, as are the voting rights of member clubs... The only solution is to increase the earnings of the club, hence the push to improve crowds, bars, catering, shop etc. Only 50% of tis income can be spent on players salaries....Put simply, the club has to earn money in every way it can from its own resources if it wants to progress beyond the lower reaches of the EFL.
AI view.."Leagues One & Two (Salary Cost Management Protocol): These tiers use the SCMP system, which directly ties spending ( on players wages) strictly to a 50% cap of club turnover. It completely excludes transfer fee amortization, focusing purely on ongoing wage bills"....
In the 2026/27 season, EFL League Two clubs receive approximately £1.5 million each in guaranteed central distributions. This total is a baseline figure that combines the basic award (a share of the EFL broadcast rights) and solidarity payments from the Premier League.
Breakdown of Funds
Guaranteed Central Award: Around £1.5 million per club is distributed to all teams in the division, regardless of their final position in the table.
Merit Payments: Additional funds are awarded on a sliding scale depending on where a club finishes in the league table at the end of the season.
Facility Fees: Clubs receive supplemental broadcast fees (up to £100,000 per home match) if their games are selected for live television coverage or streaming. |
Thanks for that, a massive financial differential from the National League to EFL2. Do you know the financial funding awarded in respect of running the academy, i think the club used to have to match it but i'm not sure if that still applies? [Post edited 17 Jun 12:24]
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| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 13:57 - Jun 17 with 3767 views | 49thseason |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 12:22 - Jun 17 by TalkingSutty |
Thanks for that, a massive financial differential from the National League to EFL2. Do you know the financial funding awarded in respect of running the academy, i think the club used to have to match it but i'm not sure if that still applies? [Post edited 17 Jun 12:24]
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This is from 2024....
https://rochdaleafc.co.uk/chan | | | |
| RochdaleAFC.com Podcast - Episode 100 on 15:08 - Jun 17 with 3633 views | TalkingSutty |
A lot of money then, thanks. | | | |
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