| Stadium Capacity Increase 10:49 - Nov 13 with 1385 views | Wingstandwood |
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This is a topic that used to get a lot of comments and debate when the Swans were in the Premier League in particular. I felt at the time that it was a wasted opportunity not to have increased the capacity by a few thousand.
A sensible amount obviously, because I am not talking about 20,000+ thousand seats, because I do find Birmingham City's plans for a 62,000 to be a bit o.t.t along with Wrexham's ambition for a 55,000 capacity stadium.
I am talking about a Swansea City return to the Premier League if and when that may happen.
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 11:39 - Nov 13 with 0 views | union_jack |
I think maybe the Birmingham and Wrexham plans are taking into account hosting future international games and other events. Wrexham especially may try to prise Wales games away from Cardiff. Good luck with that of course.
Personally, I wouldn’t even contemplate an increase in capacity unless we can establish ourselves back in the PL and even then it needs only be a modest increase. |  |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 11:40 - Nov 13 with 0 views | Demitrius |
Not sure I like that Birmingham idea looks more like something from Lord of the Rings than a football ground. Blues fans seem to like the idea though at least it's a bit different! |  |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 12:22 - Nov 13 with 0 views | sw02sea |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 11:40 - Nov 13 by Demitrius |
Not sure I like that Birmingham idea looks more like something from Lord of the Rings than a football ground. Blues fans seem to like the idea though at least it's a bit different! |
We can’t fill it now, even when we’re top of the league (West Ham excluded) |  | | |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 12:43 - Nov 13 with 0 views | johnlangy |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 12:22 - Nov 13 by sw02sea |
We can’t fill it now, even when we’re top of the league (West Ham excluded) |
What counts is what happened when we were in the PL last time. The capacity at the time was 20,520. Allowing for 10% for away supps and 10% walkup we had 16,400 seats available for sale as Season Tickets.
I'll repeat myself. That's just 16,400. For the Premier League. And they all sold within about two seconds. If we'd had for example 20,000 for ST's they would all have sold easily. The extra 3,600 would have then been supporting the club for 7 seasons by the time of relegation and many of them would have stayed supporting meaning the crowds in the Champ would have been substantially higher.
We know the best way of drumming up better support is if people are able to get tickets when they want them. And the PL was the obvious time to catch them. But we know that thousands were prevented from supporting due to the capacity. It's impossible to know but try to imagine how many youngsters would have asked their Dad if they could get tickets to watch a PL game and ended up disappointed.
If that doesn't say we'll need greater capacity if/when we get back to the PL I don't know what does. | | | |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 14:40 - Nov 13 with 0 views | KeithHaynes |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 12:43 - Nov 13 by johnlangy |
What counts is what happened when we were in the PL last time. The capacity at the time was 20,520. Allowing for 10% for away supps and 10% walkup we had 16,400 seats available for sale as Season Tickets.
I'll repeat myself. That's just 16,400. For the Premier League. And they all sold within about two seconds. If we'd had for example 20,000 for ST's they would all have sold easily. The extra 3,600 would have then been supporting the club for 7 seasons by the time of relegation and many of them would have stayed supporting meaning the crowds in the Champ would have been substantially higher.
We know the best way of drumming up better support is if people are able to get tickets when they want them. And the PL was the obvious time to catch them. But we know that thousands were prevented from supporting due to the capacity. It's impossible to know but try to imagine how many youngsters would have asked their Dad if they could get tickets to watch a PL game and ended up disappointed.
If that doesn't say we'll need greater capacity if/when we get back to the PL I don't know what does. |
Got to be in it to win it before the ticket situation returns to the last premier league experience. We seem to still be in the cooling off period for the stadium purchase, or possibly how the payments to the council will be made and when, maybe once that is achieved ? |  |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 15:30 - Nov 13 with 0 views | 1983 |
I'm happy with the size of our stadium for a club our size, yes maybe a couple of thousand but thats it, IF we got back to the Premier and an extra 5k 10k seats all we would have is tourist fans for the bigger clubs we played |  |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 15:48 - Nov 13 with 0 views | union_jack |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 15:30 - Nov 13 by 1983 |
I'm happy with the size of our stadium for a club our size, yes maybe a couple of thousand but thats it, IF we got back to the Premier and an extra 5k 10k seats all we would have is tourist fans for the bigger clubs we played |
And empty seats does not create a good atmosphere.
I think that even if we established ourselves in the PL, apart from the obvious games there would be seats unsold and as time goes on and the PL became the norm even the bigger games could experience empty spaces.
For whatever reason we don’t have the passion here, and I include Cardiff in that, like they do in say Sunderland or Newcastle who’d have greater attendances in L2 if they dropped down there. | |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 18:17 - Nov 13 with 0 views | Wingstandwood |
I do remember just before the Liberty Stadium was built with some people going on forums saying that 10,000 would be more than enough.. Some thought that a 20,000-ish Liberty Stadium was a preposterous notion. Thankfully that never happened.
I think even with an ambition-lite mindset the maximum capacity for the Premier League Liberty Stadium should have been at least 25,000 so to be closer to the 27,500-ish capacity of the old Vetch before it was run down and subject to capacity cuts i.e. double decker and North Bank.
I believe that the club could have had hit 30,000 attendances for the likes of Man Unt, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal especially with their away followings.....and like someone said there would also have been those 'tourist-type-supporters' that would have attended also.
It should have been a case (in Premier league) to have started off with an capacity increase to 25,000-ish and see what attendances were during the season on a weekly basis after that. | |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 18:29 - Nov 13 with 0 views | onehunglow |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 18:17 - Nov 13 by Wingstandwood |
I do remember just before the Liberty Stadium was built with some people going on forums saying that 10,000 would be more than enough.. Some thought that a 20,000-ish Liberty Stadium was a preposterous notion. Thankfully that never happened.
I think even with an ambition-lite mindset the maximum capacity for the Premier League Liberty Stadium should have been at least 25,000 so to be closer to the 27,500-ish capacity of the old Vetch before it was run down and subject to capacity cuts i.e. double decker and North Bank.
I believe that the club could have had hit 30,000 attendances for the likes of Man Unt, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal especially with their away followings.....and like someone said there would also have been those 'tourist-type-supporters' that would have attended also.
It should have been a case (in Premier league) to have started off with an capacity increase to 25,000-ish and see what attendances were during the season on a weekly basis after that. |
Thank Christ for someone with sense
It was originally 26/27000
They thought they could save a few bob by having smallwer capacity
Small time thinking
Forget the 2000 gates ,/was there for the Workington game/ clowns ; Swansea is NOT a small place but has been ruined over decades by people who have small ambition
Fo r Wrexham .a basic backwater, to be pushing for a 55000 with a view to get internationals shows they have what we have lacked .Ambition.
Will Wrecsam build such a stadium?
Possibly
Possibly not
we need to kick arse | |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 19:16 - Nov 13 with 0 views | Whiterockin |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 18:29 - Nov 13 by onehunglow |
Thank Christ for someone with sense
It was originally 26/27000
They thought they could save a few bob by having smallwer capacity
Small time thinking
Forget the 2000 gates ,/was there for the Workington game/ clowns ; Swansea is NOT a small place but has been ruined over decades by people who have small ambition
Fo r Wrexham .a basic backwater, to be pushing for a 55000 with a view to get internationals shows they have what we have lacked .Ambition.
Will Wrecsam build such a stadium?
Possibly
Possibly not
we need to kick arse |
If the gates were not fiddled in days gone by we would have a larger stadium now. Just my opinion. |  | | |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 19:33 - Nov 13 with 0 views | Wingstandwood |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 19:16 - Nov 13 by Whiterockin |
If the gates were not fiddled in days gone by we would have a larger stadium now. Just my opinion. |
The Leeds game when apparently the gate was stated to be approx 4,000 under full capacity was an absolute joke, you only have to take a look at the TV coverage for that one. Could someone please tell me where you could fit another 4,000 in there?
Another one that sticks in my mind was a Sunday game against Watford, and the attendance for that one was 14,461 saying that The Vetch was only a couple hundred over half full capacity.
Whoever did the accounting for that one needed a calculator instead of the hand-me-down abacus with half its beads missing that I guess was being used at the time. There was a lot of laughter for the attendance figure for that one!
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 13:10 - Nov 14 with 0 views | bennytheblue |
Wrexham 55k is just off the scale, the shiiiiiity little town only has a population of double that ffs.
They will end up back nowhere when the yanks have enough, no more than a Bournemouth or Brentford.
As for you lot, despite the fact I see some of your crowds as low as 16k this season and you were top of the league, you might as well go for about 28000. Like us you will have plenty of space if not doing so well but who cares, personally I like to put my feet up on the empty seat in front and when I first started going we had crowds of 3000 in a 35,000 stadium. |  | | |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 13:56 - Nov 14 with 0 views | Wingstandwood |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 13:10 - Nov 14 by bennytheblue |
Wrexham 55k is just off the scale, the shiiiiiity little town only has a population of double that ffs.
They will end up back nowhere when the yanks have enough, no more than a Bournemouth or Brentford.
As for you lot, despite the fact I see some of your crowds as low as 16k this season and you were top of the league, you might as well go for about 28000. Like us you will have plenty of space if not doing so well but who cares, personally I like to put my feet up on the empty seat in front and when I first started going we had crowds of 3000 in a 35,000 stadium. |
There are pro’s and con’s of high capacity mega-stadiums.
They indeed look absolutely magnificent from both outside and inside; I do feel that in instances particularly like with West Ham United for example a smaller stadium has a more intimate feel and creates a vastly greater sense of belonging and sense of community.
That clichéd saying “corporate bowl”... You can get lost inside these mega-stadiums, and the atmosphere and emotional attachments are like nothing of old. West Ham United's move away from Upton Park was a travesty imo! | |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 13:56 - Nov 14 with 0 views | onehunglow |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 13:10 - Nov 14 by bennytheblue |
Wrexham 55k is just off the scale, the shiiiiiity little town only has a population of double that ffs.
They will end up back nowhere when the yanks have enough, no more than a Bournemouth or Brentford.
As for you lot, despite the fact I see some of your crowds as low as 16k this season and you were top of the league, you might as well go for about 28000. Like us you will have plenty of space if not doing so well but who cares, personally I like to put my feet up on the empty seat in front and when I first started going we had crowds of 3000 in a 35,000 stadium. |
No idea how they measure populations of cities but Wrexham is a small town and to have a population of 100k would have to include places ten miles away
Only three real cities in Wales of consequence
Cardiff
Swansea
Newport
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 14:00 - Nov 14 with 0 views | onehunglow |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 15:48 - Nov 13 by union_jack |
And empty seats does not create a good atmosphere.
I think that even if we established ourselves in the PL, apart from the obvious games there would be seats unsold and as time goes on and the PL became the norm even the bigger games could experience empty spaces.
For whatever reason we don’t have the passion here, and I include Cardiff in that, like they do in say Sunderland or Newcastle who’d have greater attendances in L2 if they dropped down there. |
Passion on all stadia is less including Newcastle and Sunderland
They are loud when winning but virtually silent when behind
They are the most loyal however and have always been so | |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 14:28 - Nov 14 with 0 views | union_jack |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 14:00 - Nov 14 by onehunglow |
Passion on all stadia is less including Newcastle and Sunderland
They are loud when winning but virtually silent when behind
They are the most loyal however and have always been so |
It’s bums on seats I was referring to. They always get them. | |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 15:03 - Nov 14 with 0 views | onehunglow |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 14:28 - Nov 14 by union_jack |
It’s bums on seats I was referring to. They always get them. |
Yes I know | |
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| Stadium Capacity Increase on 15:11 - Nov 14 with 0 views | bennytheblue |
Not always, Sunderland were in the doldrums until recently and regularly had 20,000 crowds which I know is still good but as the whole city lives for the club, it wasn’t good for them. Leeds is similar a one city club bigger than Manchester should have bigger crowds | | | |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 15:39 - Nov 14 with 0 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Stadium Capacity Increase on 12:43 - Nov 13 by johnlangy |
What counts is what happened when we were in the PL last time. The capacity at the time was 20,520. Allowing for 10% for away supps and 10% walkup we had 16,400 seats available for sale as Season Tickets.
I'll repeat myself. That's just 16,400. For the Premier League. And they all sold within about two seconds. If we'd had for example 20,000 for ST's they would all have sold easily. The extra 3,600 would have then been supporting the club for 7 seasons by the time of relegation and many of them would have stayed supporting meaning the crowds in the Champ would have been substantially higher.
We know the best way of drumming up better support is if people are able to get tickets when they want them. And the PL was the obvious time to catch them. But we know that thousands were prevented from supporting due to the capacity. It's impossible to know but try to imagine how many youngsters would have asked their Dad if they could get tickets to watch a PL game and ended up disappointed.
If that doesn't say we'll need greater capacity if/when we get back to the PL I don't know what does. |
100% this, it's more of a "build it and they will come" situation for me. If we wait til we go up, we could be relegated before the extension is finished.
I think put an extra 5000 seats on and if we're promoted we'll fill them easily, we could even drop prices slightly to make it more attractive.
If we wait for the perfect time it will NEVER happen. We lost thousands of youngsters to the lack of foresight, 7 years in the Prem and all those kids who missed out then went elsewhere, probably all wearing Prem shirts now.
Ambition is critical. | | | |
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