| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 13:01 - Sep 10 with 4107 views | AtThePeake |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 12:21 - Sep 10 by JumeirahDale |
Would like to see Jamie Allen given a chance - seemed to have a great pre-season. |
Think it would be harsh on Hery if Allen were to come in before him. Hery was fairly impressive in pre-season and has been signed to be involved with the first-team squad. |  |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:47 - Sep 11 with 3958 views | sweetcorn |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 12:49 - Sep 10 by BigDaveMyCock |
Too much nitrate whatever for you sunshine. |
Does a red shirt count a blue shirt then? because for 40 minutes thats all he found.
If the rules of the game has changed then I agree, fantastic, absolutley fantastic, best player on the pitch.
It was like a testimonial match and BBM played 45 for both sides. |  |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:48 - Sep 11 with 3955 views | sweetcorn |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 09:38 - Sep 10 by D_Alien |
Early doors, BBM was so off the pace it was a dispossession waiting to happen - which it did.
As you say, he improved - all he had to do was sit in front of the back four - but why he'd be picked ahead of a hungry, fast-moving lad who can tackle and beat a man like Hery at home against mediocre opposition I've no idea.
We're gonna have to stop agreeing sweetie, it's becoming embarrassing. |
Agreed also, people are gonna start talking. | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 15:17 - Sep 11 with 3927 views | SaxonDale |
'It was like a testimonial match and BBM played 45 for both sides'
Fantastic analogy. I think a lot of people praise BBM because he's not Tutte. |  | | |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 15:20 - Sep 11 with 3921 views | fitzochris |
"Keith Hill was trying to sign an out-of-contract midfielder as the Observer went to press..."
Then again... |  |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:09 - Sep 11 with 3812 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:47 - Sep 11 by sweetcorn |
Does a red shirt count a blue shirt then? because for 40 minutes thats all he found.
If the rules of the game has changed then I agree, fantastic, absolutley fantastic, best player on the pitch.
It was like a testimonial match and BBM played 45 for both sides. |
Utter crap. He didn't pass to Bury shirts for the entire first half. What the fook are you talking about? Ask yourself this, if he was that bad would Hilly pick him? He's already ditched Tutte for not being up to it. He's showed he's not scared of dropping people. He'll play Saturday because he played well last Saturday - it's really that simple. |  |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:14 - Sep 11 with 3804 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 15:17 - Sep 11 by SaxonDale |
'It was like a testimonial match and BBM played 45 for both sides'
Fantastic analogy. I think a lot of people praise BBM because he's not Tutte. |
Have you ever considered it might be less controversial than a matter of Hilly picking BBM because he thinks he's good enough to come in and do a job? The more intelligent amongst us can see why Hilly picks him.
Had to laugh at a few Bury fans who I overheard whilst walking down Sandy Lane who said something along the lines of......"fookin Barry Murphy he was shite when he was with us, all he did was pass all the time."
You're in good company. [Post edited 11 Sep 2013 20:29]
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:20 - Sep 11 with 3793 views | ColDale |
Gotta say, I don't buy into this BBM had a crap first half. He's a slow starter but at ht on Saturday, I felt he was already running the show. My concern at half time was that it was all a bit too obvious and given their extra man, Blackwell would send Bury out sticking someone on BBM and nullify us completely in the process. It was almost laughable that he didn't.
It was noticeable that Hill's immediate reaction to the sending off was to prepare Hery to come on, and in true Hilly style he was set on the touchline ready for a break in play for ages. Our comfort in midfield clearly changed Hilly's mind. |  | | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:24 - Sep 11 with 3781 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 09:38 - Sep 10 by D_Alien |
Early doors, BBM was so off the pace it was a dispossession waiting to happen - which it did.
As you say, he improved - all he had to do was sit in front of the back four - but why he'd be picked ahead of a hungry, fast-moving lad who can tackle and beat a man like Hery at home against mediocre opposition I've no idea.
We're gonna have to stop agreeing sweetie, it's becoming embarrassing. |
"all he had to do was sit in front of the back four"
Isn't that what holding midfielders do?
Bloody BBM. He's bloody rubbish for doing what he's been told to do.
Always had you down for being brighter and more cultured than going for the simple pick the youngsters argument - which let's face it is the easiest argument to make. Do you honestly think that Hilly would refrain from picking them if they were ready? He's got a great record for blooding young players - Buckley, Dawson, Gray to name but a few. And the ones he hasn't picked over the years where are they now? He's seemed to have called it right in the past.
He's picked BBM because he thinks, of the players available that he sees everyday, he is the man best equipped to do the job he wants.
In the last two games it's worked. Until it doesn't let's stick with it. [Post edited 11 Sep 2013 20:26]
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 00:14 - Sep 12 with 3723 views | SaxonDale |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:09 - Sep 11 by BigDaveMyCock |
Utter crap. He didn't pass to Bury shirts for the entire first half. What the fook are you talking about? Ask yourself this, if he was that bad would Hilly pick him? He's already ditched Tutte for not being up to it. He's showed he's not scared of dropping people. He'll play Saturday because he played well last Saturday - it's really that simple. |
'Ask yourself this, if he was that bad would Hilly pick him?'- Why didn't you ask yourself the same regarding Tutte when he was being selected by Hill?
'Have you ever considered it might be less controversial than a matter of Hilly picking BBM because he thinks he's good enough to come in and do a job?'- I've never questioned Hill's choice in playing Barry-Murphy.
Look BDMC I get you really really don't like Tutte and because of that you look at any replacement of his as some sort of Demigod. But don't let it completely influence your opinion on everyone who takes his place. I get the impression that even if OlympicDale or PDiddy had taken Tutte's place you would have been claiming them to be potential M.O.M candidates. [Post edited 12 Sep 2013 1:17]
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 09:34 - Sep 12 with 3653 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 00:14 - Sep 12 by SaxonDale |
'Ask yourself this, if he was that bad would Hilly pick him?'- Why didn't you ask yourself the same regarding Tutte when he was being selected by Hill?
'Have you ever considered it might be less controversial than a matter of Hilly picking BBM because he thinks he's good enough to come in and do a job?'- I've never questioned Hill's choice in playing Barry-Murphy.
Look BDMC I get you really really don't like Tutte and because of that you look at any replacement of his as some sort of Demigod. But don't let it completely influence your opinion on everyone who takes his place. I get the impression that even if OlympicDale or PDiddy had taken Tutte's place you would have been claiming them to be potential M.O.M candidates. [Post edited 12 Sep 2013 1:17]
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What a ridiculous post. I used the example of Tutte to illustrate the fact that Hilly is not scared of dropping players. Thus, my point was that Hilly would not play BBM for any other reason other than he thinks he's playing well. If you read my initial post you will see that I said that BBM is not for the future and far from a demigod, but in the absence of Cav he has covered the position of holding midfield well. Tutte is a completely different argument. Anyway, it doesn't matter what you and I think does it? BBM has started the last two games and is likely to start Saturday. And why? Because the manager thinks that, of the players at his disposal, BBM is best equipped at this juncture to the job he wants. After seeing the game against Bury it made sense to me. That's nothing to do with whether I think he is a demigod or not does it? | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 10:41 - Sep 12 with 3610 views | D_Alien |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:24 - Sep 11 by BigDaveMyCock |
"all he had to do was sit in front of the back four"
Isn't that what holding midfielders do?
Bloody BBM. He's bloody rubbish for doing what he's been told to do.
Always had you down for being brighter and more cultured than going for the simple pick the youngsters argument - which let's face it is the easiest argument to make. Do you honestly think that Hilly would refrain from picking them if they were ready? He's got a great record for blooding young players - Buckley, Dawson, Gray to name but a few. And the ones he hasn't picked over the years where are they now? He's seemed to have called it right in the past.
He's picked BBM because he thinks, of the players available that he sees everyday, he is the man best equipped to do the job he wants.
In the last two games it's worked. Until it doesn't let's stick with it. [Post edited 11 Sep 2013 20:26]
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Simple response to a rather overwrought post - we got results despite BBM rather than with him |  |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 11:14 - Sep 12 with 3570 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 10:41 - Sep 12 by D_Alien |
Simple response to a rather overwrought post - we got results despite BBM rather than with him |
You had to keep it simple didn't you? Nothing but a trite response. Have you notified the FA of your availability? | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 11:30 - Sep 12 with 3551 views | D_Alien |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 11:14 - Sep 12 by BigDaveMyCock |
You had to keep it simple didn't you? Nothing but a trite response. Have you notified the FA of your availability? |
Far from being trite, I was summing up my overall impression of BBM's contribution during the previous two games.
Whilst not performing poorly, he's looked exactly what he is - an experienced but aging defensive midfielder who doesn't break up play and is easily caught and dispossessed by hungry, younger midfielders with a bit of bite.
Cue, Hery. We looked a different proposition at Oxford when he joined the fray. I can see why KH picked BBM for this tough away fixture, and started him against bury in the heat of a local derby. We just about got away with it, and the sending off and subsequent retreat into holding the game suited BBM.
Against Torquay, he will be redundant - and should at best be an option on the bench. I've made all these points in previous posts. You may disagree with them; but I'm doing you the favour of re-iterating them because you choose to be so dense as to ignore them. [Post edited 12 Sep 2013 11:31]
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 11:49 - Sep 12 with 3523 views | SaxonDale |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 09:34 - Sep 12 by BigDaveMyCock |
What a ridiculous post. I used the example of Tutte to illustrate the fact that Hilly is not scared of dropping players. Thus, my point was that Hilly would not play BBM for any other reason other than he thinks he's playing well. If you read my initial post you will see that I said that BBM is not for the future and far from a demigod, but in the absence of Cav he has covered the position of holding midfield well. Tutte is a completely different argument. Anyway, it doesn't matter what you and I think does it? BBM has started the last two games and is likely to start Saturday. And why? Because the manager thinks that, of the players at his disposal, BBM is best equipped at this juncture to the job he wants. After seeing the game against Bury it made sense to me. That's nothing to do with whether I think he is a demigod or not does it? |
I agree with your line of Hill not being afraid to drop players if underperforming (Although Tutte's exclusion from the entire squad would hint towards his removal being due to attitude rather than playing reasons.) I also think there are both reasons for (second half) and against (first half) the decision of retaining BBM in the side but I do expect Hill to start him.
'Thus, my point was that Hilly would not play BBM for any other reason other than he thinks he's playing well.' Why didn't you have that line of thought when Tutte was playing? [Post edited 12 Sep 2013 11:52]
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 12:25 - Sep 12 with 3467 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 11:30 - Sep 12 by D_Alien |
Far from being trite, I was summing up my overall impression of BBM's contribution during the previous two games.
Whilst not performing poorly, he's looked exactly what he is - an experienced but aging defensive midfielder who doesn't break up play and is easily caught and dispossessed by hungry, younger midfielders with a bit of bite.
Cue, Hery. We looked a different proposition at Oxford when he joined the fray. I can see why KH picked BBM for this tough away fixture, and started him against bury in the heat of a local derby. We just about got away with it, and the sending off and subsequent retreat into holding the game suited BBM.
Against Torquay, he will be redundant - and should at best be an option on the bench. I've made all these points in previous posts. You may disagree with them; but I'm doing you the favour of re-iterating them because you choose to be so dense as to ignore them. [Post edited 12 Sep 2013 11:31]
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I'm very dense.
This is great. Here we go. You can see why Hilly picked him for Oxford and Bury. I think many of us agree with you and say that Hilly's inclusion of BBM has been justified. Good, we're all in agreement. Hang on a minute, no. In your short post you say that actually we would have got those results or performances despite the inclusion of BBM!!
So, his inclusion, which you agree with I hasten to add, has not been justified then? He's had no bearing on the games according to you. | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 13:12 - Sep 12 with 3409 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 11:49 - Sep 12 by SaxonDale |
I agree with your line of Hill not being afraid to drop players if underperforming (Although Tutte's exclusion from the entire squad would hint towards his removal being due to attitude rather than playing reasons.) I also think there are both reasons for (second half) and against (first half) the decision of retaining BBM in the side but I do expect Hill to start him.
'Thus, my point was that Hilly would not play BBM for any other reason other than he thinks he's playing well.' Why didn't you have that line of thought when Tutte was playing? [Post edited 12 Sep 2013 11:52]
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I think Hilly gave Tutte a chance in Cav's absence - go on you've got three games make a midfield position your own. It didn't happen and in the last game he dragged him off and got attitude.
For what it's worth I don't think anyone envisaged BBM playing, probably not even BBM and Hilly themselves, and he's only probably playing because of Tutte's inability and attitude.
However, he came in and did a job against Oxford and he found himself there on merit against Bury. He played well and very may well start against Torquay. He will tire at some point, but until then and providing the results are there we keep him in the side. What's wrong with that? | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:17 - Sep 12 with 3364 views | lurker |
Thank all that is holy for Matty Lund. Without this lad we would be hitting the panic button big time. He makes the job of his accompanying holding midfielder so much easier because, not only does he provide an attacking threat, but he is able to tackle and has the fitness to keep going for the full 90+ minutes. Based on him, I would sign Stoke youth over Man City youth everytime.
BBM plays the holding role well and I think Hilly said that while Cav is out BBM will play his role. For me, that means he plays this Saturday against Torquay as we would never have seen Cav dropped just because we are playing Torquay would we? The only position open to debate is the right wing slot vacated by the suspended Vincenti. Hery is no right winger but that doesn't mean he may not get the nod. For me though it is between Hogan and Done for that spot and Hery will continue his battle with Lund to get minutes. If Hogan plays wide right Cummins plays up top. If Done plays wide right everything else is as against the buckets. Simples!
As for Tutte, well he is in Carlos Tevez land right now so unless he comes grovelling to Hilly it is irrelevant us even discussing him |  | | |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:44 - Sep 12 with 3331 views | D_Alien |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 12:25 - Sep 12 by BigDaveMyCock |
I'm very dense.
This is great. Here we go. You can see why Hilly picked him for Oxford and Bury. I think many of us agree with you and say that Hilly's inclusion of BBM has been justified. Good, we're all in agreement. Hang on a minute, no. In your short post you say that actually we would have got those results or performances despite the inclusion of BBM!!
So, his inclusion, which you agree with I hasten to add, has not been justified then? He's had no bearing on the games according to you. |
Jeez
I posted that I could see why KH chose to play him, based on the type of game he is known for. Unfortunately he was nowhere near being up to speed - apart from when speed was no longer an issue in the second half against bury
I'm expecting KH to pick him against Torquay too - but that doesn't mean I agree with it ffs!
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 15:01 - Sep 12 with 3320 views | TTNYear |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 19:53 - Sep 12 with 3180 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:44 - Sep 12 by D_Alien |
Jeez
I posted that I could see why KH chose to play him, based on the type of game he is known for. Unfortunately he was nowhere near being up to speed - apart from when speed was no longer an issue in the second half against bury
I'm expecting KH to pick him against Torquay too - but that doesn't mean I agree with it ffs!
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Yeah, you talking shite.
You make sure each angle is covered. You understand why KH picks BBM, you don't agree with KH for picking him, you criticise his performance and then say it was the circumstances of the game when he plays well. In there is everything - BBM is shite, an acknowledgement that he played well (albeit not down to him), a criticism of Hill but an acknowledgement that he was right.
I've no doubt that if he plays a blinder on Saturday and we win you will be absolutely 100% right. It'll be down to Torquay's formation or something. Either way, you'll make sure you're right. [Post edited 12 Sep 2013 20:23]
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 19:54 - Sep 12 with 3178 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:17 - Sep 12 by lurker |
Thank all that is holy for Matty Lund. Without this lad we would be hitting the panic button big time. He makes the job of his accompanying holding midfielder so much easier because, not only does he provide an attacking threat, but he is able to tackle and has the fitness to keep going for the full 90+ minutes. Based on him, I would sign Stoke youth over Man City youth everytime.
BBM plays the holding role well and I think Hilly said that while Cav is out BBM will play his role. For me, that means he plays this Saturday against Torquay as we would never have seen Cav dropped just because we are playing Torquay would we? The only position open to debate is the right wing slot vacated by the suspended Vincenti. Hery is no right winger but that doesn't mean he may not get the nod. For me though it is between Hogan and Done for that spot and Hery will continue his battle with Lund to get minutes. If Hogan plays wide right Cummins plays up top. If Done plays wide right everything else is as against the buckets. Simples!
As for Tutte, well he is in Carlos Tevez land right now so unless he comes grovelling to Hilly it is irrelevant us even discussing him |
Like Col, a sensible voice. Good points well made. | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:24 - Sep 12 with 3132 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 15:01 - Sep 12 by TTNYear |
I think you fancy each other tbf... |
You know I'd never cheat on you. | |
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| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 20:29 - Sep 12 with 3126 views | fitzochris |
| Cav out for 4 to 6 weeks with achilles injury on 14:17 - Sep 12 by lurker |
Thank all that is holy for Matty Lund. Without this lad we would be hitting the panic button big time. He makes the job of his accompanying holding midfielder so much easier because, not only does he provide an attacking threat, but he is able to tackle and has the fitness to keep going for the full 90+ minutes. Based on him, I would sign Stoke youth over Man City youth everytime.
BBM plays the holding role well and I think Hilly said that while Cav is out BBM will play his role. For me, that means he plays this Saturday against Torquay as we would never have seen Cav dropped just because we are playing Torquay would we? The only position open to debate is the right wing slot vacated by the suspended Vincenti. Hery is no right winger but that doesn't mean he may not get the nod. For me though it is between Hogan and Done for that spot and Hery will continue his battle with Lund to get minutes. If Hogan plays wide right Cummins plays up top. If Done plays wide right everything else is as against the buckets. Simples!
As for Tutte, well he is in Carlos Tevez land right now so unless he comes grovelling to Hilly it is irrelevant us even discussing him |
Hery said on Twitter he prefers to play on the wing but doubts his pace to play there long term. He said he played there a few times for Wednesday and PSG.
Moving Hogan out wide and giving Cummins a start seems the way to go for me, though. | |
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