| Salary Caps 14:52 - Feb 9 with 1806 views | SuddenLad |
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| Salary Caps on 15:15 - Feb 9 with 1734 views | Dalenet |
I guess Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. But really!! Talk about people trying to preserve the irresponsible status quo.
Lets have far tougher penalties then for clubs that go into administration or firms that "borrow" large sums from owners. We have already seen some of the bigger clubs in our division receive 7 times the amount of the smaller clubs in the Premiership grant and then see them buy new players. This is despite the same clubs being in debt. When will we learn |  | | |
| Salary Caps on 16:56 - Feb 9 with 1503 views | BillyRudd |
| Salary Caps on 15:15 - Feb 9 by Dalenet |
I guess Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. But really!! Talk about people trying to preserve the irresponsible status quo.
Lets have far tougher penalties then for clubs that go into administration or firms that "borrow" large sums from owners. We have already seen some of the bigger clubs in our division receive 7 times the amount of the smaller clubs in the Premiership grant and then see them buy new players. This is despite the same clubs being in debt. When will we learn |
I know "when will we learn" is a rhetorical question as the clubs have had the lesson many times. But what do you expect when the inmates in the asylum are the ones making the rules.
If they had ever been serious about addressing football finances it could have been done with simple unequivocal measures long ago.
Immediate and continuing point deductions per game for non payment of wages and deductions for late payments to creditors are just two.
Other than the innocent powerless supporter I have absolute zero sympathy for any club not sticking to the Micawber Principle.
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| Salary Caps on 17:49 - Feb 9 with 1369 views | Nigeriamark |
| Salary Caps on 16:56 - Feb 9 by BillyRudd |
I know "when will we learn" is a rhetorical question as the clubs have had the lesson many times. But what do you expect when the inmates in the asylum are the ones making the rules.
If they had ever been serious about addressing football finances it could have been done with simple unequivocal measures long ago.
Immediate and continuing point deductions per game for non payment of wages and deductions for late payments to creditors are just two.
Other than the innocent powerless supporter I have absolute zero sympathy for any club not sticking to the Micawber Principle.
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We need to look at sport over the water in the states. Large salaries in a number of their key sports, yet because they have salary caps you very rarely if ever see any team go bust or even fail to make some profit. It does also even up the playing field by levelling the quality on the pitch to some degree
The problem when we let clubs here go to the wall is that those who caused it to happen don't really get penalised, but last in the queue for a pay out are small suppliers, fans etc. Easy to knock the fans who seem deluded on websites, but I would imagine many fans in the lower leagues are decent
Very disappointing outcome today |  | | |
| Salary Caps on 19:38 - Feb 9 with 1281 views | pioneer |
| Salary Caps on 17:49 - Feb 9 by Nigeriamark |
We need to look at sport over the water in the states. Large salaries in a number of their key sports, yet because they have salary caps you very rarely if ever see any team go bust or even fail to make some profit. It does also even up the playing field by levelling the quality on the pitch to some degree
The problem when we let clubs here go to the wall is that those who caused it to happen don't really get penalised, but last in the queue for a pay out are small suppliers, fans etc. Easy to knock the fans who seem deluded on websites, but I would imagine many fans in the lower leagues are decent
Very disappointing outcome today |
Quite a few major differences with North American sports though.....no relegation and promotion, municipal ownership of stadiums in many cases which repesents a huge public subsidy, equal sharing of TV contracts money, minimum spend on salaries as well as caps.
Because of franchise systems teams dont go bust but franchises move ...montreal to washington, teams in and out of LA on what seems to be a regular basis. Multiple attempts at ice hockey teams in Atlanta etc. | | | |
| Salary Caps on 20:29 - Feb 9 with 1235 views | Nigeriamark |
| Salary Caps on 19:38 - Feb 9 by pioneer |
Quite a few major differences with North American sports though.....no relegation and promotion, municipal ownership of stadiums in many cases which repesents a huge public subsidy, equal sharing of TV contracts money, minimum spend on salaries as well as caps.
Because of franchise systems teams dont go bust but franchises move ...montreal to washington, teams in and out of LA on what seems to be a regular basis. Multiple attempts at ice hockey teams in Atlanta etc. |
Having a salary cap doesn't mean that you have to also do the other things you mentioned. It's just to control overspending/irresponsible spending | | | |
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| Salary Caps on 20:41 - Feb 9 with 1224 views | pioneer |
| Salary Caps on 20:29 - Feb 9 by Nigeriamark |
Having a salary cap doesn't mean that you have to also do the other things you mentioned. It's just to control overspending/irresponsible spending |
yes but you wrote because they have salary caps you dont see them going bust. Dont think that follows. And of course some of those sports have soft caps, you can spend as much as you want on salaries but are taxed on spending above salary thresholds. | | | |
| Salary Caps on 12:39 - Feb 10 with 1081 views | JPSDale |
Salary caps have been blocked by the Professional Footballers Association ( PFA ) for the simple reason that they dont care about clubs or the wider game as they have "protection" for their members that if a club goes bust, the "footballing debt" has to be paid or the players dont play in the new company / retain league status.
PFA should remember that every single one of their members started playing with their mates at an amateur club, without the amateur junior clubs there would be no scouts, no academy, no game, no privileged PFA - remember your roots........
Why should a centre forward who has sat in the stand all season on £10k per week get his back wages paid by the new owners, but the groundstaff or office staff get nothing but govt support - its not the staffs wages that send clubs bust - its players.
If the clubs want a salary cap - they dont need to have a collective agreement - they can do it by club basis by simply telling over paid players the new reality - and tell the agents to ask their client to pay them rather than telling the club to pay them.
Message to any League 1 or 2 Directors - its possible to say no to player wage demands without a wage cap - please for the good of the game - Just Say NO ( think thats copyright Grange Hill circa 1986)
Look at MacAnthony at Posh - not everyones cup of tea - but Posh is unlikely to go bust with him at the held coz he tells players, agents and other clubs to F*** Off when they are being silly - perhaps he should give coaching lesson to other owners ! | | | |
| Salary Caps on 15:07 - Feb 10 with 993 views | jonahwhereru |
When Alan Sugar got out of football he was bemoaning the fact football clubs were not being run like businesses and were financially reckless. This because the lenders and the HMRC treated them differently to any other business. The only exception in recent year being the shambles that was Bury.
This is a wasted opportunity to safe guard clubs from owners heady with the scent of glory in their nostrils. No winners with this decision, ultimately including the players. | | | |
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