| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 08:39 - Nov 15 with 3132 views | macro |
Smacks of desperation |  | |  |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 09:47 - Nov 15 with 3054 views | R17ALE |
The game is better off without his ilk.
Rumour was, he was set to land the Torquay job last season until our Directors had a word with their Directors, who then appointed Knill!
The football grapevine will most probably ensure he never works in the game again. Says it all when Accy re-interviewed him, and then gave the job to an unknown quantity. |  |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 10:42 - Nov 15 with 2999 views | sweetcorn |
Perhaps this will be met mostly with scorn, but he can do better than this. Admittedly it didnt work out here, but his record at Accrington was superb, so his methods work for the right club.
There are managers who are allowed to fail over and over again, but continually land league job after league job. The fact dickov managed to getsacked by oldham for being in the most part a failure, barrimg the beating of the bindippers, yet has landed a job at championship doncaster! |  |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 10:48 - Nov 15 with 2992 views | midlandsdale |
Coleman dragged us to a place that was dark and dank and had started to rot. However let things move on, let him find employment somewhere else as constantly having a pop only drags us down to a level we are much better than. |  | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 11:11 - Nov 15 with 2957 views | SuddenLad |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 10:42 - Nov 15 by sweetcorn |
Perhaps this will be met mostly with scorn, but he can do better than this. Admittedly it didnt work out here, but his record at Accrington was superb, so his methods work for the right club.
There are managers who are allowed to fail over and over again, but continually land league job after league job. The fact dickov managed to getsacked by oldham for being in the most part a failure, barrimg the beating of the bindippers, yet has landed a job at championship doncaster! |
People will always accept that individuals fail and football, like no other environment, gives managers chance after chance despite previous failings elsewhere.
The issue with Coleman (from my perspective) wasn't necessarily his ability as a manager (or lack of it) it was the awful way in which he and his players represented our club.
In his short reign he damaged the good reputation of our club, both on and off the field.
Some of his idiotic and despicable antics were not acceptable in any professional environment. Especially from someone who held managerial status. He and his players might have got away with it if the biggest arena they played was Firgrove but there was no way it was acceptable above that level.
If John Coleman is to restore his professional standing he needs to take a few steps backwards, eat a massive amount of humble pie, start acting more like a professional and hope that people are still willing to give him a chance.
He might well have the ability, but I'd be reluctant to employ him. |  |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 11:16 - Nov 15 with 2949 views | trueblue83 |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 11:11 - Nov 15 by SuddenLad |
People will always accept that individuals fail and football, like no other environment, gives managers chance after chance despite previous failings elsewhere.
The issue with Coleman (from my perspective) wasn't necessarily his ability as a manager (or lack of it) it was the awful way in which he and his players represented our club.
In his short reign he damaged the good reputation of our club, both on and off the field.
Some of his idiotic and despicable antics were not acceptable in any professional environment. Especially from someone who held managerial status. He and his players might have got away with it if the biggest arena they played was Firgrove but there was no way it was acceptable above that level.
If John Coleman is to restore his professional standing he needs to take a few steps backwards, eat a massive amount of humble pie, start acting more like a professional and hope that people are still willing to give him a chance.
He might well have the ability, but I'd be reluctant to employ him. |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 12:42 - Nov 15 with 2840 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Careful what you are saying you lot........he'll be offering you all out to the car park.
Agree,barge pole comes to mind. | | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 13:22 - Nov 15 with 2791 views | BigDaveMyCock |
It didn't work out for Coleman and for whatever reason he's not getting a job at the moment. However, there's a bit of an over-exaggerated 'holier than though' response to all things Coleman from some Dale fans. Leading us to dark places and all that over emotional clap trap. I'm not being funny but it doesn't half make you sound like a right bunch of wet mards. | |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 13:32 - Nov 15 with 2768 views | ColDale |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 13:22 - Nov 15 by BigDaveMyCock |
It didn't work out for Coleman and for whatever reason he's not getting a job at the moment. However, there's a bit of an over-exaggerated 'holier than though' response to all things Coleman from some Dale fans. Leading us to dark places and all that over emotional clap trap. I'm not being funny but it doesn't half make you sound like a right bunch of wet mards. |
fact remains, if it was simply down to results, Coleman would not have lost his job. Said it several times, but Coleman will have walked away scratching his head at what was successful elsewhere didn't go down well at Spotland. Coleman's side was guilty of the sort of thing we see week in week out on MOTD, but its just not something we were used to at Spotland. Widespread diving and attempts to con the referee (the FA Cup game at Morecambe last season was embarrassing for this) was something we'd never had to live through before and it didn't sit comfortably. Chuck into that all the rows and allegations that made its way into the public domain, it was just utterly horrible and if that makes us a set of mardies, then so be it. I just hope the bookie in that bath has got out or he'll have skin like Dot Cotton. |  | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 15:13 - Nov 15 with 2646 views | D_Alien |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 13:22 - Nov 15 by BigDaveMyCock |
It didn't work out for Coleman and for whatever reason he's not getting a job at the moment. However, there's a bit of an over-exaggerated 'holier than though' response to all things Coleman from some Dale fans. Leading us to dark places and all that over emotional clap trap. I'm not being funny but it doesn't half make you sound like a right bunch of wet mards. |
"Coleman dragged us to a place that was dark and dank and had started to rot"
Courtesy of midlandsdale
That sounds like a pretty graphic but hard-nosed and accurate description to me.
Wet and mardy? Overemotional? If that's the way you've taken it, that reflects more on you than the poster. |  |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 15:34 - Nov 15 with 2610 views | judd |
The dark places bit were referring to night matches. |  |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 16:24 - Nov 15 with 2544 views | D_Alien |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 15:34 - Nov 15 by judd |
The dark places bit were referring to night matches. |
KH took us to a dark place during our last home 3pm kick off
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 16:33 - Nov 15 with 2522 views | 442Dale |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 16:24 - Nov 15 by D_Alien |
KH took us to a dark place during our last home 3pm kick off
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You've forgotten the opponents I bet.
WHY DIDN'T YOU CHECK THE FIXTURE BOARD? |  |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 17:27 - Nov 15 with 2441 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 15:13 - Nov 15 by D_Alien |
"Coleman dragged us to a place that was dark and dank and had started to rot"
Courtesy of midlandsdale
That sounds like a pretty graphic but hard-nosed and accurate description to me.
Wet and mardy? Overemotional? If that's the way you've taken it, that reflects more on you than the poster. |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 18:48 - Nov 15 with 2343 views | D_Alien |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 16:33 - Nov 15 by 442Dale |
You've forgotten the opponents I bet.
WHY DIDN'T YOU CHECK THE FIXTURE BOARD? |
Too busy checking the latest instalment in the Dale Floodlights thread | |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 19:53 - Nov 15 with 2280 views | ChaffRAFC |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 13:32 - Nov 15 by ColDale |
fact remains, if it was simply down to results, Coleman would not have lost his job. Said it several times, but Coleman will have walked away scratching his head at what was successful elsewhere didn't go down well at Spotland. Coleman's side was guilty of the sort of thing we see week in week out on MOTD, but its just not something we were used to at Spotland. Widespread diving and attempts to con the referee (the FA Cup game at Morecambe last season was embarrassing for this) was something we'd never had to live through before and it didn't sit comfortably. Chuck into that all the rows and allegations that made its way into the public domain, it was just utterly horrible and if that makes us a set of mardies, then so be it. I just hope the bookie in that bath has got out or he'll have skin like Dot Cotton. |
It was that very FA Cup game that was the turning point for me. I'd never subscribed to the people who said we were diving and conning referees until this game where I witnessed Bobby Grant dive to win free kicks at least 6 times, some of which weren't in a threatening position. Couldn't believe what I was watching. |  |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 22:01 - Nov 15 with 2192 views | Rochdale_Matt |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 19:53 - Nov 15 by ChaffRAFC |
It was that very FA Cup game that was the turning point for me. I'd never subscribed to the people who said we were diving and conning referees until this game where I witnessed Bobby Grant dive to win free kicks at least 6 times, some of which weren't in a threatening position. Couldn't believe what I was watching. |
Am I the only one who thought Morecambe targetted Grant that day? Honestly thought he got the sh*t kicked out of him every time he went forward. Think he tried to get Ellison sent off for a not so apparent headbutt, but other than that I didnt think he dived? Certainly had our fair share of free kicks that day thats for sure. |  | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 22:41 - Nov 15 with 2155 views | Swissdale |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 13:32 - Nov 15 by ColDale |
fact remains, if it was simply down to results, Coleman would not have lost his job. Said it several times, but Coleman will have walked away scratching his head at what was successful elsewhere didn't go down well at Spotland. Coleman's side was guilty of the sort of thing we see week in week out on MOTD, but its just not something we were used to at Spotland. Widespread diving and attempts to con the referee (the FA Cup game at Morecambe last season was embarrassing for this) was something we'd never had to live through before and it didn't sit comfortably. Chuck into that all the rows and allegations that made its way into the public domain, it was just utterly horrible and if that makes us a set of mardies, then so be it. I just hope the bookie in that bath has got out or he'll have skin like Dot Cotton. |
Maybe I'm misreading this, but are you saying that Coleman's managerial record wasn't poor enough to warrant the sack? |  | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 22:49 - Nov 15 with 2141 views | ColDale |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 22:41 - Nov 15 by Swissdale |
Maybe I'm misreading this, but are you saying that Coleman's managerial record wasn't poor enough to warrant the sack? |
absolutely. Our form wasn't great, but history would suggest that managers with a similar record would not have been sacked given the position we were in. Have we sacked a manager when we were 14th in the league before? | | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 23:00 - Nov 15 with 2119 views | Swissdale |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 22:49 - Nov 15 by ColDale |
absolutely. Our form wasn't great, but history would suggest that managers with a similar record would not have been sacked given the position we were in. Have we sacked a manager when we were 14th in the league before? |
Maybe not, but it's not exactly a fair comparison to make. Coleman inherited a league one club (albeit struggling). In context that's like sacking a manager for being 38th in league two.
What was his actual record (w-d-l)? [Post edited 15 Nov 2013 23:01]
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 23:24 - Nov 15 with 2089 views | D_Alien |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 23:00 - Nov 15 by Swissdale |
Maybe not, but it's not exactly a fair comparison to make. Coleman inherited a league one club (albeit struggling). In context that's like sacking a manager for being 38th in league two.
What was his actual record (w-d-l)? [Post edited 15 Nov 2013 23:01]
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tbf paying to watch Dale this time 12 months ago was like paying to have your eyeballs ripped out with a rusty spoon
(And then have Sweetcorn tell you you're a crap fan)
God knows where we'd be now if Hill hadn't become available. Rapidly following Stockport's descent into the abyss, i'd guess. | |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 23:25 - Nov 15 with 2087 views | ColDale |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 23:00 - Nov 15 by Swissdale |
Maybe not, but it's not exactly a fair comparison to make. Coleman inherited a league one club (albeit struggling). In context that's like sacking a manager for being 38th in league two.
What was his actual record (w-d-l)? [Post edited 15 Nov 2013 23:01]
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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Coleman was given the backing despite the relegation, rightly or wrongly, with the blame attached to Eyre by many including myself.He started League 2 with almost a clean slate, but I do think the fans disenchantment came from all the non-Rochdale things rather than actual results. Barrow got rewarded with a 12 month deal for far worse things on the pitch. I don't believe Coleman started Lge 2 with a remit that we must be top half at all times, but as a club we became feral compared to what we have always been known as. Ive always said that Coleman's record at Accy was one worthy of sticking by for the long term, but as a club we became so poisoned, Dunphy rightfully had to act. | | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 08:28 - Nov 16 with 1975 views | R17ALE |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 23:25 - Nov 15 by ColDale |
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. Coleman was given the backing despite the relegation, rightly or wrongly, with the blame attached to Eyre by many including myself.He started League 2 with almost a clean slate, but I do think the fans disenchantment came from all the non-Rochdale things rather than actual results. Barrow got rewarded with a 12 month deal for far worse things on the pitch. I don't believe Coleman started Lge 2 with a remit that we must be top half at all times, but as a club we became feral compared to what we have always been known as. Ive always said that Coleman's record at Accy was one worthy of sticking by for the long term, but as a club we became so poisoned, Dunphy rightfully had to act. |
For me Coleman usurps Barrow as the worst manager ever. As D_Alien points out, watching a Coleman side was nigh on impossible. In my 30 odd years watching, only in the Coleman era have I chosen to miss games. I didn't miss one Barrow game home or away.
Barrow gets some leeway because the Board of that era gave him arguably the smallest budget in the league. He did however, fritter it on his mates.
Coleman was given a decent budget - the figures to shareholders prove it. (Pinky knows the amounts). He frittered it on his mates and also non mates. And then took every chance to bemoan we hadn't backed him financially. But, like every manager does, he did also send a team out in his own image.
Ugly, spiteful, cheating, whinging and scouse. | |
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| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 13:53 - Nov 16 with 1868 views | sandylaner1 |
Oh i'm sure sweetcorn has got a job for him |  | | |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 15:08 - Nov 16 with 1812 views | SalwaDale |
| Coleman to replace Bayliss? on 08:28 - Nov 16 by R17ALE |
For me Coleman usurps Barrow as the worst manager ever. As D_Alien points out, watching a Coleman side was nigh on impossible. In my 30 odd years watching, only in the Coleman era have I chosen to miss games. I didn't miss one Barrow game home or away.
Barrow gets some leeway because the Board of that era gave him arguably the smallest budget in the league. He did however, fritter it on his mates.
Coleman was given a decent budget - the figures to shareholders prove it. (Pinky knows the amounts). He frittered it on his mates and also non mates. And then took every chance to bemoan we hadn't backed him financially. But, like every manager does, he did also send a team out in his own image.
Ugly, spiteful, cheating, whinging and scouse. |
Spot on. |  |
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