| Football is back in September! on 17:30 - Jul 24 with 3105 views | funkkk |
Really will be interested to see how many games are played in September before crowds are allowed back in October. Surely we could have squeezed the extra games in throughout the season. |  | |  |
| Football is back in September! on 17:59 - Jul 24 with 3045 views | AtThePeake |
| Football is back in September! on 17:30 - Jul 24 by funkkk |
Really will be interested to see how many games are played in September before crowds are allowed back in October. Surely we could have squeezed the extra games in throughout the season. |
There's already a lot of squeezing going to be happening with the season having to be finished before the Euros but starting over a month later than normal. |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 18:03 - Jul 24 with 3031 views | 100notout |
| Football is back in September! on 17:59 - Jul 24 by AtThePeake |
There's already a lot of squeezing going to be happening with the season having to be finished before the Euros but starting over a month later than normal. |
I wonder if they'll get rid of cup replays?
They've been talking about it for quite a while - I hope they don't but this might be the perfect opportunity to do it. |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 18:04 - Jul 24 with 3027 views | TVOS1907 |
| Football is back in September! on 17:30 - Jul 24 by funkkk |
Really will be interested to see how many games are played in September before crowds are allowed back in October. Surely we could have squeezed the extra games in throughout the season. |
It's a bit risky as it's impossible to predict how many midweeks are needed later in the campaign due to postponements and cup runs.
Personally, I think they should get rid of the Leasing.com Trophy to free up some space in the calendar. |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 18:16 - Jul 24 with 2999 views | isitme |
I received one today. It might affect the number who want to.
The higher incidences of positive tests are limited to a few main areas and there has been a lot of targeted testing. Coupled with one of the few walk in testing centres in the country it is not surprising there are more infections detected. This number is still significantly lower than the peak. |  | | |
| Football is back in September! on 18:59 - Jul 24 with 2924 views | James1980 |
| Football is back in September! on 18:16 - Jul 24 by isitme |
I received one today. It might affect the number who want to.
The higher incidences of positive tests are limited to a few main areas and there has been a lot of targeted testing. Coupled with one of the few walk in testing centres in the country it is not surprising there are more infections detected. This number is still significantly lower than the peak. |
Really don't envy those making the decisions. Will all grounds have the same restrictions or will there be tiers based on level of risk? Will the numbers allowed in change based on spikes in the town. Will there be checks to make sure travelling fans have not come from an area where there has been an up surge of cases. | |
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| Football is back in September! on 19:12 - Jul 24 with 2901 views | isitme |
| Football is back in September! on 18:59 - Jul 24 by James1980 |
Really don't envy those making the decisions. Will all grounds have the same restrictions or will there be tiers based on level of risk? Will the numbers allowed in change based on spikes in the town. Will there be checks to make sure travelling fans have not come from an area where there has been an up surge of cases. |
I suspect it will be blanket rules for all clubs, unless there are any local lockdowns in place.
October is over two months away and hopefully infections will have fallen even further by then. We will never see the end of Covid-19, just as we always have flu and colds, but if we can get the levels down to minimal levels then we shoudl be okay.
I've no idea what the rules will be regarding travelling supporters. It appears logical that no away supporters will be allowed initially, especially with restricted capacities. | | | |
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| Football is back in September! on 20:13 - Jul 24 with 2842 views | AtThePeake |
| Football is back in September! on 18:03 - Jul 24 by 100notout |
I wonder if they'll get rid of cup replays?
They've been talking about it for quite a while - I hope they don't but this might be the perfect opportunity to do it. |
The big clubs hate them so yeah, I suspect the powers that be will use this opportunity to scrap FA Cup replays. I think they'll also maybe consider getting rid of the EFL Cup given that we're now the last remaining country in Europe with two domestic cup competitions that include top-tier clubs.
90% of the clubs involved in both competitions will want them to stay, but more importantly the 10% that won't include the likes of Liverpool, Manchester United and Manchester City, so I'd expect them to get their way. | |
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| Football is back in September! on 14:54 - Jul 27 with 2357 views | judd |
I wonder if we can get our September home games postponed because the pitch isn't ready? |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 23:16 - Jul 27 with 2117 views | Toffeemanc |
It seems there is now a possibility the entire season could be played with reduced capacity in the stadiums.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53556072
If they are running test events at Edgbaston and the Oval this week and only allowing 2500 to attend in stadiums that are structurally far bigger than ours in size and hold between 17000 - 25000 what number can we realistically expect to admit at Spotland?
Think the club are really going to struggle selling season tickets as they haven't a clue what capacity will be allowed, but it's looking likely to be less than the number of current season ticket holders which probably means no away fans at all. Add in the NHS Ticket fiasco and I think the club have now got a real problem on their hands for next season. |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 07:10 - Jul 28 with 2033 views | isitme |
| Football is back in September! on 23:16 - Jul 27 by Toffeemanc |
It seems there is now a possibility the entire season could be played with reduced capacity in the stadiums.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53556072
If they are running test events at Edgbaston and the Oval this week and only allowing 2500 to attend in stadiums that are structurally far bigger than ours in size and hold between 17000 - 25000 what number can we realistically expect to admit at Spotland?
Think the club are really going to struggle selling season tickets as they haven't a clue what capacity will be allowed, but it's looking likely to be less than the number of current season ticket holders which probably means no away fans at all. Add in the NHS Ticket fiasco and I think the club have now got a real problem on their hands for next season. |
Those test events at the cricket are the first trials so will be cautious. They doubled the number of supporters at the Oval from day one to two. At the snooker 600 supporters out of a usual attendance of around 1000 are being allowed and I'm sure I read 4000 are being allowed to attend some horse racing event pretty soon.
England Rugby are expecting to be able to sell at least 40000 tickets for games later in the year so it's not all doom and gloom.
October is over two months away and a lot can happen between now and then. Even with increased and targeted testing hospitalisations and deaths related to Covid are decreasing. Deaths by day in hospitals are frequently in single fingers and are currently making up 3.3% of all deaths. Relaxing restrictions has not appeared to have caused many problems.
Even with a quarter capacity we could probably fit in all home supporters for most games. The thing that is causing the concern is signing and chanting, so it won't really affect us anyway! [Post edited 28 Jul 2020 11:02]
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| Football is back in September! on 12:46 - Jul 28 with 1851 views | D_Alien |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53567198
Irish Cup Final allowing 500 fans into a 20,000 seater stadium
I wonder if the fans (250 from each side) will be located in the open arena? Because here's a thought: what's to stop clubs from having fans booking 'executive*' boxes within their social bubble and putting on socially-distanced pre-match meals to start generating some revenue?
* executive houses, executive cars, executive boxes - all total bollox |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 21:24 - Jul 28 with 1724 views | DaleiLama |
| Football is back in September! on 07:10 - Jul 28 by isitme |
Those test events at the cricket are the first trials so will be cautious. They doubled the number of supporters at the Oval from day one to two. At the snooker 600 supporters out of a usual attendance of around 1000 are being allowed and I'm sure I read 4000 are being allowed to attend some horse racing event pretty soon.
England Rugby are expecting to be able to sell at least 40000 tickets for games later in the year so it's not all doom and gloom.
October is over two months away and a lot can happen between now and then. Even with increased and targeted testing hospitalisations and deaths related to Covid are decreasing. Deaths by day in hospitals are frequently in single fingers and are currently making up 3.3% of all deaths. Relaxing restrictions has not appeared to have caused many problems.
Even with a quarter capacity we could probably fit in all home supporters for most games. The thing that is causing the concern is signing and chanting, so it won't really affect us anyway! [Post edited 28 Jul 2020 11:02]
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Couple of updates since you posted - death rates have increased slightly again as have infection rates. Hardly surprising with lockdown easing as seen in most other locations globally (not rocket science). It's always going to be a balancing act.
Not sure death rate is necessarily the best yardstick for measuring Covid anymore either, as Dexamethasone and improved treatment will reduce deaths now versus deaths when Covid first hit by at least a third. Then again, it was revealed that up to a 1/4 of all tests give false negative due to not being done properly. Also, someone infected on day 1 probably wouldn't test positive until day 5 (ish) but may still spread the virus. I wouldn't like to be managing this clusterfeck.
It really is an inexact science, and "being led by the science" is a crock of sh!t too whenever a politician says it. Doubling the number of spectators from Day 1 to Day 2 at the Oval (unless for logistics reasons to give staff a "dummy run") isn't particularly logical in my eyes.
In the US, the Marlins have cancelled their home opener due to 8 (at least) players being infected. The Infection control expert and the safety officer with the Vikings have also gone down with Covid and the NFL has a NFI injured reserve list now for players self-isolating for positive testing or contact tracing instructions). Hardly surprising the way they are treating Covid over there. Seems like globally the 20-40 age group now has most cases and hospitalisations.
As you rightly say, caution will be the watchword. Only by stress-testing can you learn anything. And as we've seen with travel to/from Spain, the brakes will be slammed on at the first signs of danger (again rightly at least for a time). Every day is a learning day.
Who knows where we'll be early October but hopefully in a better place again. |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 21:49 - Jul 28 with 1710 views | isitme |
| Football is back in September! on 21:24 - Jul 28 by DaleiLama |
Couple of updates since you posted - death rates have increased slightly again as have infection rates. Hardly surprising with lockdown easing as seen in most other locations globally (not rocket science). It's always going to be a balancing act.
Not sure death rate is necessarily the best yardstick for measuring Covid anymore either, as Dexamethasone and improved treatment will reduce deaths now versus deaths when Covid first hit by at least a third. Then again, it was revealed that up to a 1/4 of all tests give false negative due to not being done properly. Also, someone infected on day 1 probably wouldn't test positive until day 5 (ish) but may still spread the virus. I wouldn't like to be managing this clusterfeck.
It really is an inexact science, and "being led by the science" is a crock of sh!t too whenever a politician says it. Doubling the number of spectators from Day 1 to Day 2 at the Oval (unless for logistics reasons to give staff a "dummy run") isn't particularly logical in my eyes.
In the US, the Marlins have cancelled their home opener due to 8 (at least) players being infected. The Infection control expert and the safety officer with the Vikings have also gone down with Covid and the NFL has a NFI injured reserve list now for players self-isolating for positive testing or contact tracing instructions). Hardly surprising the way they are treating Covid over there. Seems like globally the 20-40 age group now has most cases and hospitalisations.
As you rightly say, caution will be the watchword. Only by stress-testing can you learn anything. And as we've seen with travel to/from Spain, the brakes will be slammed on at the first signs of danger (again rightly at least for a time). Every day is a learning day.
Who knows where we'll be early October but hopefully in a better place again. |
Where have you seen that death rates are increasing? I've only seen them decreasing. Mind you I only use date of death figures and ONS releases as other figures will say 20 deaths but 5 of them are from over a month ago for example. Five day averages are also useful. I wouldn't touch PHE figures with a bargepole.
I agree about death rates in principle though as the numbers are low and only make up of 3% of total deaths. Positives tests have increased from 0.54% to 0.58% but the number of pillar 2 tests have increased by a lot. Probably down to intensive testing in specific areas.
The whole attendance stuff is crazy. What's going to happen? They will say 1000 in at the cricket has been successful, double the numbers allowed in for the next game and then keep doing it. Although chanting is a massive wish, supposedly!
As someone who is really into NFL I have been following their attempts to get training camp started and as you highlight it has been a mess, which is interesting as sport in this country has resumed quiet well, without many positive tests and the vast majority of these being asymptomatic. Many people said initially that there would be no way that the Premier League would be completed, but it was pretty much incident free.
As you say who knows where we will be October. Hopefully back watching games and maybe even allowed to chant! | | | |
| Football is back in September! on 21:58 - Jul 28 with 1683 views | 442Dale |
Lots of reasons in this thread why looking at some sort of flexi-ticket will probably be more viable than a season ticket, not only at Dale but at most clubs when they can’t be certain how many games someone will be able to attend. Think of somewhere like Man Utd, there’s no way they can let all season ticket holders attend, and that’s before thinking about any further disruption. Logistical nightmare.
Meanwhile, we’ve seen this week the issues around refunding ST can cause and with no certainty of how many games we might be able to attend, an initial flexi-ticket for, say, ten home games may be a better option. Then a similar scheme in the new year for remaining games if things are going ok. |  |
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| Football is back in September! on 22:05 - Jul 28 with 1675 views | DaleiLama |
| Football is back in September! on 21:49 - Jul 28 by isitme |
Where have you seen that death rates are increasing? I've only seen them decreasing. Mind you I only use date of death figures and ONS releases as other figures will say 20 deaths but 5 of them are from over a month ago for example. Five day averages are also useful. I wouldn't touch PHE figures with a bargepole.
I agree about death rates in principle though as the numbers are low and only make up of 3% of total deaths. Positives tests have increased from 0.54% to 0.58% but the number of pillar 2 tests have increased by a lot. Probably down to intensive testing in specific areas.
The whole attendance stuff is crazy. What's going to happen? They will say 1000 in at the cricket has been successful, double the numbers allowed in for the next game and then keep doing it. Although chanting is a massive wish, supposedly!
As someone who is really into NFL I have been following their attempts to get training camp started and as you highlight it has been a mess, which is interesting as sport in this country has resumed quiet well, without many positive tests and the vast majority of these being asymptomatic. Many people said initially that there would be no way that the Premier League would be completed, but it was pretty much incident free.
As you say who knows where we will be October. Hopefully back watching games and maybe even allowed to chant! |
It was on the 6 o'clock news on the beeb tonight and will no doubt repeated as I type! Not sure of their source I confess. As you say, reporting is all over the place although it was very good news to see that surplus deaths is below 5 year average deaths now - lets hope it will be again for this winter as flu should hopefully be less prevalent with the massive flu-jab program and the improved hygiene from masks/handwashing.
Absolutely - we have certainly made a much better fist of pro sports coming back in Europe than the US. | |
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| Football is back in September! on 22:17 - Jul 28 with 1651 views | D_Alien |
| Football is back in September! on 22:05 - Jul 28 by DaleiLama |
It was on the 6 o'clock news on the beeb tonight and will no doubt repeated as I type! Not sure of their source I confess. As you say, reporting is all over the place although it was very good news to see that surplus deaths is below 5 year average deaths now - lets hope it will be again for this winter as flu should hopefully be less prevalent with the massive flu-jab program and the improved hygiene from masks/handwashing.
Absolutely - we have certainly made a much better fist of pro sports coming back in Europe than the US. |
Unfortunately, the current mortality rate below the 5 year average is almost certainly due to those who might now be passing due to other conditions or 'natural causes' being taken earlier in the year by the virus | |
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| Football is back in September! on 22:23 - Jul 28 with 1636 views | DaleiLama |
| Football is back in September! on 22:17 - Jul 28 by D_Alien |
Unfortunately, the current mortality rate below the 5 year average is almost certainly due to those who might now be passing due to other conditions or 'natural causes' being taken earlier in the year by the virus |
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| Football is back in September! on 22:25 - Jul 28 with 1626 views | DaleiLama |
| Football is back in September! on 21:49 - Jul 28 by isitme |
Where have you seen that death rates are increasing? I've only seen them decreasing. Mind you I only use date of death figures and ONS releases as other figures will say 20 deaths but 5 of them are from over a month ago for example. Five day averages are also useful. I wouldn't touch PHE figures with a bargepole.
I agree about death rates in principle though as the numbers are low and only make up of 3% of total deaths. Positives tests have increased from 0.54% to 0.58% but the number of pillar 2 tests have increased by a lot. Probably down to intensive testing in specific areas.
The whole attendance stuff is crazy. What's going to happen? They will say 1000 in at the cricket has been successful, double the numbers allowed in for the next game and then keep doing it. Although chanting is a massive wish, supposedly!
As someone who is really into NFL I have been following their attempts to get training camp started and as you highlight it has been a mess, which is interesting as sport in this country has resumed quiet well, without many positive tests and the vast majority of these being asymptomatic. Many people said initially that there would be no way that the Premier League would be completed, but it was pretty much incident free.
As you say who knows where we will be October. Hopefully back watching games and maybe even allowed to chant! |
Back to the NFL for a mo. Lots of players opting out of the forthcoming season. Most are saying the college season is toast. If this snowballs, so will the NFL season.
Edit https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29533526/players-opting-2020-nfl-season-coro
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| Football is back in September! on 07:09 - Jul 29 with 1500 views | isitme |
I've seen that the Pats have 6 players now who have opted out. The whole tank for Trevor conspiracy has no doubt started!
Not surprisingly a number of the opt outs have been larger players such as defensive linemen. It will be interesting to see who decides to opt out by the Monday deadline and whether any 'marquee' players choose to.
As Dalien rightly points out Covid has unfortunately taken people early so hopefully deaths will continue to be below the five year average. Interestingly the top ten causes of death are all significantly below their five year average. | | | |
| Football is back in September! on 13:15 - Jul 29 with 1425 views | DaleiLama |
| Football is back in September! on 07:09 - Jul 29 by isitme |
I've seen that the Pats have 6 players now who have opted out. The whole tank for Trevor conspiracy has no doubt started!
Not surprisingly a number of the opt outs have been larger players such as defensive linemen. It will be interesting to see who decides to opt out by the Monday deadline and whether any 'marquee' players choose to.
As Dalien rightly points out Covid has unfortunately taken people early so hopefully deaths will continue to be below the five year average. Interestingly the top ten causes of death are all significantly below their five year average. |
Yep - combination of high BMI and BAME in many cases = potentially v. high susceptibility. I have also read that anyone with a large wad of guaranteed cash to paid this season will not get it if the season is cancelled. If they opt out, they get something to live on this year (not read up details) and the guaranteed money next. This seems to be a double whammy of money lost and high risk = no thanks. | |
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