| Omicron in Rochdale 18:52 - Dec 13 with 20387 views | blackdogblue |
Heard Falinge Park High School has now closed & switched to on line learning for what’s left of term until January… Not Good…..
BDB Jnr has everything crossed Bury High Schools do the same 🤨🤨
Tbh.. might be for the best, it’s only a week & half before they finish, why not 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:59 - Dec 18 with 2476 views | 49thseason |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:18 - Dec 18 by 442Dale |
Thread from NHS Providers CEO with associated information of current situation in London.
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Although I have no idea who this person is, I get the impression that he is some sort of NHS leader. As such he would do well to lead rather than blaming everyone else. There are thousands probably millions of people who are not vaccinated for perfectly good reasons be they scepticism, religion, medical or sheer fear of needles. But any sensible planning would surely account for this, would it not? Hopson needs to step up and actually lead if that is indeed his role. Is the NHS working hard ? Well, we all certainly hope so. Has it made huge mistakes ? Definitely, I think of all those people sent into care homes with covid resulting in 1000s of deaths and then all those empty Nightingale hospitals that were opened and closed with hardly a single customer, the refusal to consider therapies like Ivermectin , hydroxychloroquine, or even Vitamin D or the reduction of 5000 beds over the last 5 years despite ever increasing funding and the recent advertisements for " diversity managers" on up to £180k a year.
The NHS employs something like 1.3m people and eats up a third of all our taxes and yet only some 300k people are regarded as "front line".
The NHS needs a leader, not a complainer and the staff need to realise that tough though things are at the minute they are going to be a hell of a lot worse when 120,000 NHS and care workers get the sack in April for the "crime" of being unjabbed.
GPs are hardly covering themselves in glory either with their online only appointments and "ring us before 8.30 policy" when they know full well that most people cannot get through and getting an extra £20-£30 a head for jabbing people whilst calling for volunteers to help them, and this on top of salaries in excess of £100k a year for the few who actually work full time anymore.
I am sorry that NHS staff are under intense pressure, but it happens in all sorts of jobs from time to time, I was under pressure every day for months attempting to prevent the company I worked for going bust. I dare say my grandad was under pressure in Mesopotania in WW1 and my father whilst fighting Italians and Germans from Egypt to Sicily, through Normandy and into Germany. They just got on with it and so must NHS staff and the rest of us.
Jabbed or unjabbed really makes very little difference in the grand scheme of things, noone chooses to be a victim, if we make the unjabbed "unclean" to save the NHS , it isnt worth saving. And when you bear in mind the millions who have been treated for lung disease through smoking, the car crash victims who were speeding, the sportsmen and women following their sport of choice who were injured in the process or the alcoholics who got new livers but refused to stop drinking, refusing an improperly tested novel vaccine for a virus which 99.9+ survive contact with is hardly the crime of the Century and to treat it otherwise is, frankly unworthy.
No Mr Hopson, your twitter moans cut no ice with me, either show some leadership and rally your troops or get out of the way and let a proper leader do the job you evidently cannot. I am sure you are a very nice man but the smell of incompetence follows you. If you are one of the best of the best, God help us all. |  | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 22:53 - Dec 18 with 2388 views | pioneer |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:59 - Dec 18 by 49thseason |
Although I have no idea who this person is, I get the impression that he is some sort of NHS leader. As such he would do well to lead rather than blaming everyone else. There are thousands probably millions of people who are not vaccinated for perfectly good reasons be they scepticism, religion, medical or sheer fear of needles. But any sensible planning would surely account for this, would it not? Hopson needs to step up and actually lead if that is indeed his role. Is the NHS working hard ? Well, we all certainly hope so. Has it made huge mistakes ? Definitely, I think of all those people sent into care homes with covid resulting in 1000s of deaths and then all those empty Nightingale hospitals that were opened and closed with hardly a single customer, the refusal to consider therapies like Ivermectin , hydroxychloroquine, or even Vitamin D or the reduction of 5000 beds over the last 5 years despite ever increasing funding and the recent advertisements for " diversity managers" on up to £180k a year.
The NHS employs something like 1.3m people and eats up a third of all our taxes and yet only some 300k people are regarded as "front line".
The NHS needs a leader, not a complainer and the staff need to realise that tough though things are at the minute they are going to be a hell of a lot worse when 120,000 NHS and care workers get the sack in April for the "crime" of being unjabbed.
GPs are hardly covering themselves in glory either with their online only appointments and "ring us before 8.30 policy" when they know full well that most people cannot get through and getting an extra £20-£30 a head for jabbing people whilst calling for volunteers to help them, and this on top of salaries in excess of £100k a year for the few who actually work full time anymore.
I am sorry that NHS staff are under intense pressure, but it happens in all sorts of jobs from time to time, I was under pressure every day for months attempting to prevent the company I worked for going bust. I dare say my grandad was under pressure in Mesopotania in WW1 and my father whilst fighting Italians and Germans from Egypt to Sicily, through Normandy and into Germany. They just got on with it and so must NHS staff and the rest of us.
Jabbed or unjabbed really makes very little difference in the grand scheme of things, noone chooses to be a victim, if we make the unjabbed "unclean" to save the NHS , it isnt worth saving. And when you bear in mind the millions who have been treated for lung disease through smoking, the car crash victims who were speeding, the sportsmen and women following their sport of choice who were injured in the process or the alcoholics who got new livers but refused to stop drinking, refusing an improperly tested novel vaccine for a virus which 99.9+ survive contact with is hardly the crime of the Century and to treat it otherwise is, frankly unworthy.
No Mr Hopson, your twitter moans cut no ice with me, either show some leadership and rally your troops or get out of the way and let a proper leader do the job you evidently cannot. I am sure you are a very nice man but the smell of incompetence follows you. If you are one of the best of the best, God help us all. |
Cant say I agree with everything you say but share your scepticism about some of these leaders.
He cant be under that much pressure given the time he spends on social media. |  | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 22:58 - Dec 18 with 2372 views | James1980 |
Ding a ling a ling a ling BINGO
Actually that was a bit premature I don't think 5G has been mentioned [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 22:59]
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 23:02 - Dec 18 with 2366 views | Dalenet |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:59 - Dec 18 by 49thseason |
Although I have no idea who this person is, I get the impression that he is some sort of NHS leader. As such he would do well to lead rather than blaming everyone else. There are thousands probably millions of people who are not vaccinated for perfectly good reasons be they scepticism, religion, medical or sheer fear of needles. But any sensible planning would surely account for this, would it not? Hopson needs to step up and actually lead if that is indeed his role. Is the NHS working hard ? Well, we all certainly hope so. Has it made huge mistakes ? Definitely, I think of all those people sent into care homes with covid resulting in 1000s of deaths and then all those empty Nightingale hospitals that were opened and closed with hardly a single customer, the refusal to consider therapies like Ivermectin , hydroxychloroquine, or even Vitamin D or the reduction of 5000 beds over the last 5 years despite ever increasing funding and the recent advertisements for " diversity managers" on up to £180k a year.
The NHS employs something like 1.3m people and eats up a third of all our taxes and yet only some 300k people are regarded as "front line".
The NHS needs a leader, not a complainer and the staff need to realise that tough though things are at the minute they are going to be a hell of a lot worse when 120,000 NHS and care workers get the sack in April for the "crime" of being unjabbed.
GPs are hardly covering themselves in glory either with their online only appointments and "ring us before 8.30 policy" when they know full well that most people cannot get through and getting an extra £20-£30 a head for jabbing people whilst calling for volunteers to help them, and this on top of salaries in excess of £100k a year for the few who actually work full time anymore.
I am sorry that NHS staff are under intense pressure, but it happens in all sorts of jobs from time to time, I was under pressure every day for months attempting to prevent the company I worked for going bust. I dare say my grandad was under pressure in Mesopotania in WW1 and my father whilst fighting Italians and Germans from Egypt to Sicily, through Normandy and into Germany. They just got on with it and so must NHS staff and the rest of us.
Jabbed or unjabbed really makes very little difference in the grand scheme of things, noone chooses to be a victim, if we make the unjabbed "unclean" to save the NHS , it isnt worth saving. And when you bear in mind the millions who have been treated for lung disease through smoking, the car crash victims who were speeding, the sportsmen and women following their sport of choice who were injured in the process or the alcoholics who got new livers but refused to stop drinking, refusing an improperly tested novel vaccine for a virus which 99.9+ survive contact with is hardly the crime of the Century and to treat it otherwise is, frankly unworthy.
No Mr Hopson, your twitter moans cut no ice with me, either show some leadership and rally your troops or get out of the way and let a proper leader do the job you evidently cannot. I am sure you are a very nice man but the smell of incompetence follows you. If you are one of the best of the best, God help us all. |
It is part of his job to moan. He is the leader of the membership organisation that negotiates with the Dept of Health for resources etc. A bit like a trade body. He will always want to see more resources and more support. | | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 02:49 - Dec 19 with 2255 views | Shun |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 17:24 - Dec 18 by nordenblue |
Where's everyone become totally obsessed with all the "have it to help everyone else" come from.
The idea of folk going to see and get treatment from a doctor is purely to help the individual sat in front of him, when has anyone ever gone to a doctors and said "hi pal I fancy a flu jab this time around,not for me its just to help some other chap who's already had the opportunity to have 3/4 vaccinations already to help cover himself" it's bonkers |
It’s not a novel concept at all, nb, or bonkers. I’ve had the flu jab every year for the past decade and on none of those occasions was I getting that jab so I didn’t suffer from flu myself.
It’s the same way the extraordinarily successful tuberculosis vaccination scheme was administered to whole year groups in school on the same day, and kids get vaccinated before school. It’s about protecting each other, herd immunity. A vaccination isn’t worth its salt if only one person receives it. It works best when the vast majority receive it. |  | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 04:29 - Dec 19 with 2212 views | D_Alien |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 02:49 - Dec 19 by Shun |
It’s not a novel concept at all, nb, or bonkers. I’ve had the flu jab every year for the past decade and on none of those occasions was I getting that jab so I didn’t suffer from flu myself.
It’s the same way the extraordinarily successful tuberculosis vaccination scheme was administered to whole year groups in school on the same day, and kids get vaccinated before school. It’s about protecting each other, herd immunity. A vaccination isn’t worth its salt if only one person receives it. It works best when the vast majority receive it. |
Perfectly described, by a professional
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 12:38 - Dec 19 with 2014 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 02:49 - Dec 19 by Shun |
It’s not a novel concept at all, nb, or bonkers. I’ve had the flu jab every year for the past decade and on none of those occasions was I getting that jab so I didn’t suffer from flu myself.
It’s the same way the extraordinarily successful tuberculosis vaccination scheme was administered to whole year groups in school on the same day, and kids get vaccinated before school. It’s about protecting each other, herd immunity. A vaccination isn’t worth its salt if only one person receives it. It works best when the vast majority receive it. |
If that's the case regarding the flu jab why not administer it to the whole population rather than the direct vulnerable groups that they call forward annually to have it?
The vast majority have received it, even more so the most vulnerable groups, maybe if we did more anti body testing we'd get an understanding of folk who've already got antibodies to covid rather than blanket everyone with a vaccination, if 1/3 having had covid with no symptoms surely that's not the worst idea? | | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 12:45 - Dec 19 with 2005 views | D_Alien |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 12:38 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
If that's the case regarding the flu jab why not administer it to the whole population rather than the direct vulnerable groups that they call forward annually to have it?
The vast majority have received it, even more so the most vulnerable groups, maybe if we did more anti body testing we'd get an understanding of folk who've already got antibodies to covid rather than blanket everyone with a vaccination, if 1/3 having had covid with no symptoms surely that's not the worst idea? |
"If that's the case regarding the flu jab why not administer it to the whole population rather than the direct vulnerable groups that they call forward annually to have it?"
Because only those in vulnerable groups are likely to die from flu. Mortality / severe illness among younger, healthier people from flu is almost unheard of. Not so with Covid, which up to now has only mutated into virulent strains (the jury's still out on Omicron). Most flu strains are less severe, which is what happens with viruses over the longer term
Whilst flu puts the NHS under strain every winter, it's not reached breaking point like it could so easily have done with Covid (and might still do). It's worth recalling the scenes in places like Italy and India, where patients struggling for breath were literally unable to find a bed
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 18:49 - Dec 19 with 1773 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 12:45 - Dec 19 by D_Alien |
"If that's the case regarding the flu jab why not administer it to the whole population rather than the direct vulnerable groups that they call forward annually to have it?"
Because only those in vulnerable groups are likely to die from flu. Mortality / severe illness among younger, healthier people from flu is almost unheard of. Not so with Covid, which up to now has only mutated into virulent strains (the jury's still out on Omicron). Most flu strains are less severe, which is what happens with viruses over the longer term
Whilst flu puts the NHS under strain every winter, it's not reached breaking point like it could so easily have done with Covid (and might still do). It's worth recalling the scenes in places like Italy and India, where patients struggling for breath were literally unable to find a bed
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Them in the very same groups are the same ones still only likely to die from covid too statistically, there's anomalies to everything granted, while the average age of death is still something like 80 I'll happily take my chances for a good while yet.
"Only mutated into virulent strains" really,it seems the experts in South Africa would probably disagree, its evidently more transmissible thats about it as yet.
If its anything like the previous apparent "stronger" variant where only my daughter caught it in a house of 4 without any attempt whatsoever to isolate from each other,ferocious....
Any comparisons to places like India is at best misguided. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 18:52]
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 19:50 - Dec 19 with 1690 views | 442Dale |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 18:49 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
Them in the very same groups are the same ones still only likely to die from covid too statistically, there's anomalies to everything granted, while the average age of death is still something like 80 I'll happily take my chances for a good while yet.
"Only mutated into virulent strains" really,it seems the experts in South Africa would probably disagree, its evidently more transmissible thats about it as yet.
If its anything like the previous apparent "stronger" variant where only my daughter caught it in a house of 4 without any attempt whatsoever to isolate from each other,ferocious....
Any comparisons to places like India is at best misguided. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 18:52]
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The statistics provided on the Delta variant proved it was more transmissible than previously. That it didn’t impact every person’s own individual situation is of course obvious.
The current variant has also proven to be more transmissible so far based on research. DAlien’s post around virulent strains contains the statement “the jury’s still out on Omicron”. This hints at there not being not enough information as yet to determine it, as has been noted by many with experience and expertise who study it as part of their profession. We all hope it isn’t. Until then, we can then all only do our best in whatever way we see fit. |  |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:02 - Dec 19 with 1662 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 19:50 - Dec 19 by 442Dale |
The statistics provided on the Delta variant proved it was more transmissible than previously. That it didn’t impact every person’s own individual situation is of course obvious.
The current variant has also proven to be more transmissible so far based on research. DAlien’s post around virulent strains contains the statement “the jury’s still out on Omicron”. This hints at there not being not enough information as yet to determine it, as has been noted by many with experience and expertise who study it as part of their profession. We all hope it isn’t. Until then, we can then all only do our best in whatever way we see fit. |
Just because its more transmissible doesn't mean its any more deadly, similar to this latest flavour, colds are very transmissible, chicken pox very much so, but both hardly something to hide away from either.
Yep absolutely, that's exactly why me and a good few others will be at Manchester Airport in the morning. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 20:07]
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:15 - Dec 19 with 1641 views | 442Dale |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:02 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
Just because its more transmissible doesn't mean its any more deadly, similar to this latest flavour, colds are very transmissible, chicken pox very much so, but both hardly something to hide away from either.
Yep absolutely, that's exactly why me and a good few others will be at Manchester Airport in the morning. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 20:07]
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There was nothing in my post that said it was “more deadly”. It was merely pointing out that DAlien had said “the jury’s out”. Nor was there anything in there about hiding away.
Not sure where the airport comes into it, but if it helps improve the bigger picture, then that’s great. | |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:28 - Dec 19 with 1594 views | 100notout |
Can someone explain why anyone would NOT have the vaccine?
My daughter is a nurse and told me tonight that all but 1 of the people in ICU where she worked that had covid were unvaccinated and the one person that had been vaccinated was suffering from cancer and the chemotherapy treatment had weakened their immune system.
If you don't want to do it for others fine but do it for yourself - it may just save your life | |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:33 - Dec 19 with 1580 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:15 - Dec 19 by 442Dale |
There was nothing in my post that said it was “more deadly”. It was merely pointing out that DAlien had said “the jury’s out”. Nor was there anything in there about hiding away.
Not sure where the airport comes into it, but if it helps improve the bigger picture, then that’s great. |
It certainly does improve my bigger picture, whilst many folk still sit at home frightened waiting for the next "tidal wave" of overreactioned, hypocritical bollox to be plastered all over their tele. | | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:37 - Dec 19 with 1570 views | 442Dale |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:28 - Dec 19 by 100notout |
Can someone explain why anyone would NOT have the vaccine?
My daughter is a nurse and told me tonight that all but 1 of the people in ICU where she worked that had covid were unvaccinated and the one person that had been vaccinated was suffering from cancer and the chemotherapy treatment had weakened their immune system.
If you don't want to do it for others fine but do it for yourself - it may just save your life |
It’s about respecting anyone’s choice really. The evidence is there and then it becomes up to them. We all probably have our own stories of friends/family who have been affected or will/won’t have the vaccine. The facts have proven that the impact of the vaccine have allowed the world to at least make forward steps in dealing with Covid as without it many more would have died. Then there are the knock on effects on a society without a vaccine as we all would be able to do much less as far more people would be requiring hospital treatment. Those reasons alone is something everyone should be thankful for, whether vaccinated or not. | |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:45 - Dec 19 with 1536 views | D_Alien |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 18:49 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
Them in the very same groups are the same ones still only likely to die from covid too statistically, there's anomalies to everything granted, while the average age of death is still something like 80 I'll happily take my chances for a good while yet.
"Only mutated into virulent strains" really,it seems the experts in South Africa would probably disagree, its evidently more transmissible thats about it as yet.
If its anything like the previous apparent "stronger" variant where only my daughter caught it in a house of 4 without any attempt whatsoever to isolate from each other,ferocious....
Any comparisons to places like India is at best misguided. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 18:52]
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Whereas, comparisons with your own very limited experience (i.e. your immediate family) are... what?
There's nothing misguided in the availability of hospital beds (especially ICU beds) being less than the number of people who might require them, simply statistical fact. Given the sheer numbers becoming infected, that remains a possibility in the UK without caution
Whilst you're doing whatever at the airport, i'll be on a pub crawl in Manchester (at carefully selected venues). That's me exercising caution, based on the known facts. Enjoy your trip, if that's your thing | |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:50 - Dec 19 with 1517 views | TVOS1907 |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:02 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
Just because its more transmissible doesn't mean its any more deadly, similar to this latest flavour, colds are very transmissible, chicken pox very much so, but both hardly something to hide away from either.
Yep absolutely, that's exactly why me and a good few others will be at Manchester Airport in the morning. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 20:07]
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What's the significance of telling us you're fortunately able to be flying away somewhere tomorrow morning? |  |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:55 - Dec 19 with 1505 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:45 - Dec 19 by D_Alien |
Whereas, comparisons with your own very limited experience (i.e. your immediate family) are... what?
There's nothing misguided in the availability of hospital beds (especially ICU beds) being less than the number of people who might require them, simply statistical fact. Given the sheer numbers becoming infected, that remains a possibility in the UK without caution
Whilst you're doing whatever at the airport, i'll be on a pub crawl in Manchester (at carefully selected venues). That's me exercising caution, based on the known facts. Enjoy your trip, if that's your thing |
I most certainly will thanks... | | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:00 - Dec 19 with 1491 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 20:50 - Dec 19 by TVOS1907 |
What's the significance of telling us you're fortunately able to be flying away somewhere tomorrow morning? |
There's no fortune involved, I didn't win it.
The significance is around not being drawn in with all the absolute bollox mentioned above, and the constant scaremongering still going on, carry on with what you see fit for your circumstances. | | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:04 - Dec 19 with 1482 views | TVOS1907 |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:00 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
There's no fortune involved, I didn't win it.
The significance is around not being drawn in with all the absolute bollox mentioned above, and the constant scaremongering still going on, carry on with what you see fit for your circumstances. |
'Fortune', as in having the time, money and means to do it.
I'm not sure what its relevance was, apart from bragging. | |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:09 - Dec 19 with 1473 views | 442Dale |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:00 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
There's no fortune involved, I didn't win it.
The significance is around not being drawn in with all the absolute bollox mentioned above, and the constant scaremongering still going on, carry on with what you see fit for your circumstances. |
“all the absolute bollox”
How is it “all” “bollox”? It was a reasoned discussion with people establishing that there are statistics and facts involved, this was added to with thoughts by somebody with experience in the sector.
Not sure how, if there was any “bollox”, it could “all” be classed as such. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 21:14]
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:16 - Dec 19 with 1444 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:04 - Dec 19 by TVOS1907 |
'Fortune', as in having the time, money and means to do it.
I'm not sure what its relevance was, apart from bragging. |
Nothing to brag about really, its very common, thousands of others are doing exactly the same every day too. | | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:17 - Dec 19 with 1440 views | TVOS1907 |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:16 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
Nothing to brag about really, its very common, thousands of others are doing exactly the same every day too. |
On this board and editing their posts to include it as an unnecessary addition to a more serious, interesting debate?
I must have blocked those posters. | |
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| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:24 - Dec 19 with 1419 views | nordenblue |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:09 - Dec 19 by 442Dale |
“all the absolute bollox”
How is it “all” “bollox”? It was a reasoned discussion with people establishing that there are statistics and facts involved, this was added to with thoughts by somebody with experience in the sector.
Not sure how, if there was any “bollox”, it could “all” be classed as such. [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 21:14]
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With reference to the facts above, taking into account the average age of death, % of folk already vaccinated, with my personal experiences of it too and the apparent weakening variant, the reaction to it leads me to my "absolute bollox" comment. | | | |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:29 - Dec 19 with 1403 views | 442Dale |
| Omicron in Rochdale on 21:24 - Dec 19 by nordenblue |
With reference to the facts above, taking into account the average age of death, % of folk already vaccinated, with my personal experiences of it too and the apparent weakening variant, the reaction to it leads me to my "absolute bollox" comment. |
“all the absolute bollox mentioned above”
So was “all” that was “mentioned above” “bollox” or merely some of it? Which bits were and weren’t “bollox” in a thread where the subject was being calmly analysed with a different array of views?
Personally, I found Shun’s insight added a lot. | |
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