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Points wise we are closer to 'safety' than both Oldham & Scunthorpe were at this time last year... I'm still taking a bit of comfort from how close it is at the bottom.. a couple of decent results and the table could look very different.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 13:41 - Oct 2 with 4181 views
The second goal is so frustrating. The initial dribble and pass takes 5 players out the game- either Rodney or Toums has to make the foul. Not sure why none of our midfielders were anywhere near their striker for the first either. We are so amateurish at times.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 14:07 - Oct 2 with 4086 views
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 12:54 - Oct 2 by HullDale
League Two 22-23 After 11 Games
League Two 21-22 After 11 Games
Points wise we are closer to 'safety' than both Oldham & Scunthorpe were at this time last year... I'm still taking a bit of comfort from how close it is at the bottom.. a couple of decent results and the table could look very different.
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I dont see it that way. I see us having a far worse team than either Biffos or sCUNThorpe . We are awful and we do not have the players to get us out of this . We have 6 centre Halves and not one is above conference standard. Our midfield "general" is a fecking joke and way past his time. If we go down we dont come back and our club dies. After all the hard work of the supporters to see it frittered away by players who cant be arsed. I appreciate if they are not good enough , but their lack of application and willingness to win is very concerning indeed.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 11:36 - Oct 3 with 3357 views
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 11:24 - Oct 3 by BucketBstard
I dont see it that way. I see us having a far worse team than either Biffos or sCUNThorpe . We are awful and we do not have the players to get us out of this . We have 6 centre Halves and not one is above conference standard. Our midfield "general" is a fecking joke and way past his time. If we go down we dont come back and our club dies. After all the hard work of the supporters to see it frittered away by players who cant be arsed. I appreciate if they are not good enough , but their lack of application and willingness to win is very concerning indeed.
How many clubs that have dropped into non league have actually 'died'?
'Only happy when you've got it often makes you miss the journey'
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 11:36 - Oct 3 by James1980
How many clubs that have dropped into non league have actually 'died'?
Not many on the face of it but lots have been forced to dissolve the company and have reformed under a new one. Presumably most collapsed or ceased trading because they were relegated and then went bust, there is a list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_English_Football_League_clubs
Of 54 clubs have gone out of the league in over 100 years 32 are designated defunct Of 23 that have been relegated since Newport in 1987 /88 ,10 have been formed from new companies and 1 has been expelled.
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 11:24 - Oct 3 by BucketBstard
I dont see it that way. I see us having a far worse team than either Biffos or sCUNThorpe . We are awful and we do not have the players to get us out of this . We have 6 centre Halves and not one is above conference standard. Our midfield "general" is a fecking joke and way past his time. If we go down we dont come back and our club dies. After all the hard work of the supporters to see it frittered away by players who cant be arsed. I appreciate if they are not good enough , but their lack of application and willingness to win is very concerning indeed.
If we do go down, the only reason we would be in danger of dying would be because of the hard work of everyone who kept the club going in far darker times than now would be frittered away by supporters who canāt be arsed. Iād appreciate that the level of football might then not be good enough, but the lack of application and willingness to continue to trying to support the club to succeed again would be very concerning indeed.
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 15:14 - Oct 3 by 49thseason
Not many on the face of it but lots have been forced to dissolve the company and have reformed under a new one. Presumably most collapsed or ceased trading because they were relegated and then went bust, there is a list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_English_Football_League_clubs
Of 54 clubs have gone out of the league in over 100 years 32 are designated defunct Of 23 that have been relegated since Newport in 1987 /88 ,10 have been formed from new companies and 1 has been expelled.
Cheers 49th if my counting was correct 6 of those defunct clubs didn't get resurrected.
'Only happy when you've got it often makes you miss the journey'
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 11:24 - Oct 3 by BucketBstard
I dont see it that way. I see us having a far worse team than either Biffos or sCUNThorpe . We are awful and we do not have the players to get us out of this . We have 6 centre Halves and not one is above conference standard. Our midfield "general" is a fecking joke and way past his time. If we go down we dont come back and our club dies. After all the hard work of the supporters to see it frittered away by players who cant be arsed. I appreciate if they are not good enough , but their lack of application and willingness to win is very concerning indeed.
Yeah, we know. You tell us everytime we don't win.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 07:20 - Oct 4 with 2169 views
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 18:21 - Oct 3 by 442Dale
If we do go down, the only reason we would be in danger of dying would be because of the hard work of everyone who kept the club going in far darker times than now would be frittered away by supporters who canāt be arsed. Iād appreciate that the level of football might then not be good enough, but the lack of application and willingness to continue to trying to support the club to succeed again would be very concerning indeed.
But you know that will happen 442. We've lost almost 1000 fans over the past 3 years and that was during the time the Trust and others tried to galvanise us. We'd lose more if we were relegated. I don't want to sound negative, but relegation would be a seismic shock from which we might never recover.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 07:34 - Oct 4 with 2152 views
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 07:20 - Oct 4 by Dalenet
But you know that will happen 442. We've lost almost 1000 fans over the past 3 years and that was during the time the Trust and others tried to galvanise us. We'd lose more if we were relegated. I don't want to sound negative, but relegation would be a seismic shock from which we might never recover.
Depends what we class as ārecoverā. Itās a case of evolving. Much as we have to now as a L2 club.
Will crowds go down? Probably. They may go up if we start challenging at the top. Will we have to cut our cloth and adjust the budget? Definitely, but we are doing that now. Thereās some sort of stigma and almost snobbishness about seeing the National League as the end of all things. It only will be for individuals if they choose that, it need not be for the club.
Anyway, the bottom end of L2 is so tight that talk of being relegated is far too premature now. Itās that when people do, they should expect overly negative assessments to be challenged with factual examples of why those opinions are slightly dramatic.
I expect someone at the club is analysing the change in attendence over the last few years given a change in pricing strategy in favour of season ticket purchases.
Based on various reports on here I think season ticket purchases may have increased, or at least held firm despite our drop down to league two. But this means our walk up crowd has been the source of these falling crowds. Some of these will have been converted to new season tickets, but the net impact on walk ups may still be negative. Difficult to determine whether this is due entirely to poor performances/results or due to increased walk up prices (or both).
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 08:46 - Oct 4 with 2066 views
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 15:14 - Oct 3 by 49thseason
Not many on the face of it but lots have been forced to dissolve the company and have reformed under a new one. Presumably most collapsed or ceased trading because they were relegated and then went bust, there is a list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_English_Football_League_clubs
Of 54 clubs have gone out of the league in over 100 years 32 are designated defunct Of 23 that have been relegated since Newport in 1987 /88 ,10 have been formed from new companies and 1 has been expelled.
I also see no club has been listed as 'defunct' and not come back in some guise since the 1950s The majority disappearing pre WW1. (I know you are not doing this 49th) Claims that dropping into non league status will bring about the death of the club are scaremongering IMO.
'Only happy when you've got it often makes you miss the journey'
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 07:20 - Oct 4 by Dalenet
But you know that will happen 442. We've lost almost 1000 fans over the past 3 years and that was during the time the Trust and others tried to galvanise us. We'd lose more if we were relegated. I don't want to sound negative, but relegation would be a seismic shock from which we might never recover.
I'm not sure how reliable worldfootball.net is so willing to have TVOS correct me if needs be, but last season's average attendance in League Two was 2914 and so far this year it's 2942. 3 years ago, in the division above, when we had the likes of Sunderland, Bolton and Coventry visiting us, it was 3632.
When you consider the change in away followings that will have occurred after our drop down to League Two, I think it's fair to say we've lost perhaps 3/400 from the home gate. When we played Doncaster 3 years ago in League One the attendance was approximately 300 more than this weekend's attendance.
That's concerning obviously, but it's nowhere near 1,000 and I don't understand why people always feel the need to exaggerate when it comes to the drop off in attendance figures.
Tangled up in blue.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 11:58 - Oct 4 with 1873 views
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 18:49 - Oct 1 by 49thseason
What makes you think we can afford another huge clear out? We have been having clearouts for the last 3 seasons and look where its got us. What we have is what we can afford, if they were all fit and motivated we would have a better team, they aren't and we haven't. I agree there is deadwood and I would include Henderson, Quigley, Rodney, Ball and Odoh in that but until Charman, Campbell, Malley and Brierley get the opportunity prove themselves to be better players we will be stuck with what we have. Quigley doesnt have a run in him and for a big lad doesnt upset defenders enough , Henderson is a shadow of his former self and missed another decent opportunity towards the end of the game, Rodney spends too much time having to defend, Ball is too slow to catch a cold and is another one of those midfielders who spends too much time looking at his own keeper.. And Odoh as no end product.. Our problem is scoring goals, 7 for in 11 games simply isnt good enough, we have only been beaten by more than a single goal twice. I dont think we have done too badly in defence despite conceding 18, but in attacking terms we are awful. There is still a bottom 10 in this division beating the teams around us is essential and we have to set up to win those games.
If scoring goals is our problem, then binning the lad who has scored 3 in 5 so far probably isn't the smartest plan.
Charman and Campbell both had much more opportunity last season to show what they can do than Quigley has, who you've apparently written off. In the 5 games he's played so far, Quigley has already scored more than either of those two managed in 19 and 13 appearances respectively last season.
Tangled up in blue.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 18:14 - Oct 4 with 1565 views
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 11:58 - Oct 4 by AtThePeake
I'm not sure how reliable worldfootball.net is so willing to have TVOS correct me if needs be, but last season's average attendance in League Two was 2914 and so far this year it's 2942. 3 years ago, in the division above, when we had the likes of Sunderland, Bolton and Coventry visiting us, it was 3632.
When you consider the change in away followings that will have occurred after our drop down to League Two, I think it's fair to say we've lost perhaps 3/400 from the home gate. When we played Doncaster 3 years ago in League One the attendance was approximately 300 more than this weekend's attendance.
That's concerning obviously, but it's nowhere near 1,000 and I don't understand why people always feel the need to exaggerate when it comes to the drop off in attendance figures.
Some examples of the whole āwe would lose loads more fansā argument:
2014/15: We played Walsall on a Tuesday night in September, won 4-0;1852 home fans. Four days later we beat Coventry to go seventh in L1; 2708 home fans.
The following January, two weeks after beating Forest in the cup and a week after a last minute winner at Bradford, we beat Crawley 4-1 to go fifth in L1; 2167 home fans (albeit on a freezing cold Saturday)
2016/17: Saturday in November, Swindon at home. 4-0 win to go seventh in L1; 2028 home fans. Three days later we beat Walsall 4-0 again to move up to fifth; 1758 home fans.
Thereās no reason why weād lose x amount of fans because we lost them/gained them back again at regular intervals throughout our most successful period as a club. We meander between 2000-2700 fans with the odd increase and decrease, and to try and claim otherwise is based on nothing but an opinion that has little evidence to back it up.
If we cannot find a way to budget, whatever level we play at, thatās the issue. Attendances plummeting and an immediate āend of the clubā mentality would be a total overreaction.
It would be interesting to know how clubs who have dropped out of the league, in the past 15 years letās say, actually fare with their attendances. (If anyone has these details) That should give us a pointer as to what can be expected. My bet would be that none of them would have increased attendances.
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 18:54 - Oct 4 with 1462 views
One of the biggest reasons I (we) stopped going was the decision to ban smoking at half time and a lot of people I know felt the sameā¦ Iām not 16 & having a crafty fag in the toiletsā¦ itās not an EFL rule.. look at Barnsley as an example.. you can have a fag in the corner under the floodlight at away games and the majority of clubs if not allow you in a āpennedā area outsideā¦
Why can you smoke in the Racky before / After the game but not for the 15 minute half time ??
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 18:43 - Oct 4 by mikehunt
It would be interesting to know how clubs who have dropped out of the league, in the past 15 years letās say, actually fare with their attendances. (If anyone has these details) That should give us a pointer as to what can be expected. My bet would be that none of them would have increased attendances.
Chesterfield, Notts County and Wrexham are all former league clubs who are currently in the top three. Their average attendances this season are: Chesterfield 6998, Wrexham 9874, Notts C 6737.
Looking at mid-table, Southend are averaging 5570.
The two relegated clubs last season: Scunthorpe 2901 (2781 last year), Oldham 7650 (4924 last year, though obviously owner issues)
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 18:54 - Oct 4 by blackdogblue
Have said this before on numerous occasionsā¦.
One of the biggest reasons I (we) stopped going was the decision to ban smoking at half time and a lot of people I know felt the sameā¦ Iām not 16 & having a crafty fag in the toiletsā¦ itās not an EFL rule.. look at Barnsley as an example.. you can have a fag in the corner under the floodlight at away games and the majority of clubs if not allow you in a āpennedā area outsideā¦
Why can you smoke in the Racky before / After the game but not for the 15 minute half time ??
Scandalā¦
Not sure thatās affecting our attendances in a big way one way or another though, plenty will have individual reasons.
Also, wasnāt aware of the specific rules in place. Have they been clarified? Possibly worth bringing up via the Trust now thereās a new board in place who may be able to look into a smoking area at half time.
Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 07:20 - Oct 4 by Dalenet
But you know that will happen 442. We've lost almost 1000 fans over the past 3 years and that was during the time the Trust and others tried to galvanise us. We'd lose more if we were relegated. I don't want to sound negative, but relegation would be a seismic shock from which we might never recover.
Average HOME support in the last three seasons with fans
2019/20: 2636 2021/22: 2228 2022/23: 2275
That's a loss of 361 Dale fans on average, even though we've been relegated and had a pretty crap time in League Two since then.
Indeed, the highest average number of home supporters since we started keeping records of away numbers is 3070 in the 2009/10 promotion season.
It was only 2494 in our 2013/14 promotion season, which is just 219 extra Dale fans per game compared to now.
Attendances will always fluctuate with results, but there's not been the massive swing you've claimed.
When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf?
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Doncaster Rovers (h) Match Thread on 20:31 - Oct 4 with 1199 views
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