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I reckon easily 90%+ of people at Ally Pally were down from the NW. Coaches from seemingly every town in Lancs/Cheshire parked-up. Not a great gig but like you say, the atmosphere and anticipation were amazing in the build-up.
It was unreal, Konk.
It was like Wembley with rows and rows and rows of coaches.
Inside was staggering. I know I had work in the morning, and I've looked it up just now and apparently it was on a Sunday Night, but either way I'd taken nothing and wasn't even having a drink.
I can't say that they were scary. I can't say they were euphoric. But this crowd was alien. And this was a scene. This was not the Electric Ballroom, The Town and Country, The Marquee.
This was on.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
It was like Wembley with rows and rows and rows of coaches.
Inside was staggering. I know I had work in the morning, and I've looked it up just now and apparently it was on a Sunday Night, but either way I'd taken nothing and wasn't even having a drink.
I can't say that they were scary. I can't say they were euphoric. But this crowd was alien. And this was a scene. This was not the Electric Ballroom, The Town and Country, The Marquee.
This was on.
It was definitely a Saturday because I remember meeting up with mates in the Waterside in KX after we'd all been to different games in the afternoon, and then getting the train up to Ally Pally.
It was definitely a Saturday because I remember meeting up with mates in the Waterside in KX after we'd all been to different games in the afternoon, and then getting the train up to Ally Pally.
Ah man, very sad - especially for his two kids, now without both their parents :-(
I got into Stone Roses relatively late, when my house mate at uni introduced me to them (in return I introduced him to The Levellers - some will say I got the better deal there...). I was properly getting in to house music for the first time then too, and coming from a background of being into bands Stone Roses were the perfect accompaniment. I can distinctly remember sitting in our horrible kitchen listening to This Is The One, and being captivated. Something about Ian Brown's voice on that album is ethereal and other wordly, and perfectly captured the magical hedonism of that time in my life.
My house mate had the Empress Ballroom concert on video, which we used to watch on repeat on his tiny little cube shaped TV, which for some reason was bright yellow. The I Wanna Be Adored intro still gives me chills
Special album, what a thing for Mani and the rest of the band to have been a part of. And as others have said, some of Primal Scream's best work was when he was involved. (Andy Weatherall's Screamadelica notwithstanding)
Edit: Random memory this has just brought back - being off my cake in someone's living room watching them perform a loving embrace with the door to the kitchen, singing I Wanna Be A Door.
You sure start to feel old when members of your favourite bands pass on.
I kind of missed the first album hype when it came out but caught on a couple of years late; and then The Second Coming came out in my last year at school, the critics seemed to turn their noses up at it but I loved it. Part of the soundtrack of that pre-uni summer for me.
I came here to post that but I knew someone would have done it already - that mid song breakdown and bassline was the soundtrack to my youth. Never bettered
I was only listening to a podcast yesterday with Mani where he was talking about how his wife’s death a few years ago had rocked him and he’d spent the last few years hiding away and looking after his young twins. Who are now orphans. It’s terrible news.
Saw the Roses in Sydney in 2013 after they reformed. A fantastic experience.
See the bands you love while you can. Saw The Specials here twice, both brilliant gigs, Terry Hall now gone.
Went to see the Pixies last week, who were superb, and Oasis (absolutely biblical) the week before. They may return but nothing is guaranteed.
RIP Mani.
Without wanting to derail.. My wife paid for us to spend a weekend in Berlin for an anniversary - and surprised me with tickets to see the Pixies whilst we were there, just after they reformed. Absolutely amazing gig.
@Chef, yes I was saying the same earlier, something about losing Mani has me feeling really old today.
Ah man, very sad - especially for his two kids, now without both their parents :-(
I got into Stone Roses relatively late, when my house mate at uni introduced me to them (in return I introduced him to The Levellers - some will say I got the better deal there...). I was properly getting in to house music for the first time then too, and coming from a background of being into bands Stone Roses were the perfect accompaniment. I can distinctly remember sitting in our horrible kitchen listening to This Is The One, and being captivated. Something about Ian Brown's voice on that album is ethereal and other wordly, and perfectly captured the magical hedonism of that time in my life.
My house mate had the Empress Ballroom concert on video, which we used to watch on repeat on his tiny little cube shaped TV, which for some reason was bright yellow. The I Wanna Be Adored intro still gives me chills
Special album, what a thing for Mani and the rest of the band to have been a part of. And as others have said, some of Primal Scream's best work was when he was involved. (Andy Weatherall's Screamadelica notwithstanding)
Edit: Random memory this has just brought back - being off my cake in someone's living room watching them perform a loving embrace with the door to the kitchen, singing I Wanna Be A Door.
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I'm another who was late getting into the Roses - I was always a bit "meh" as they didn't meet my bar for "good" which was basically Pink Floyd, the Who, the Stones (the Clash once I "discovered" them) and anyone who played in the Yardbirds. A mate of mine at school got me into playing the guitar and emulating those bands and artists was like a kid trying to emulate Messi for me.
This mate was also a big Stone Roses fan and I kind of absorbed them as Squires was like a lot of guitarists coming out of the UK at that time - different. Lots of pentatonic, blues-based riffs but with these mad things like drop-D tuning, wah-wah, reverb and nutty delays. I saw them live once at the Féile in Cork (the Levellers played it the year before which was the last year at the Semple stadium in Thurles) - some line-up for £45.
I've listened to lots of Stone Roses and I didn't think Second Coming was as bad as some made out (it was just impossible to follow something as generational as TSR). Being a (poor) guitar player I always focused on Squires but after a while you realise it's Mani holding the whole show together.
I'm another who was late getting into the Roses - I was always a bit "meh" as they didn't meet my bar for "good" which was basically Pink Floyd, the Who, the Stones (the Clash once I "discovered" them) and anyone who played in the Yardbirds. A mate of mine at school got me into playing the guitar and emulating those bands and artists was like a kid trying to emulate Messi for me.
This mate was also a big Stone Roses fan and I kind of absorbed them as Squires was like a lot of guitarists coming out of the UK at that time - different. Lots of pentatonic, blues-based riffs but with these mad things like drop-D tuning, wah-wah, reverb and nutty delays. I saw them live once at the Féile in Cork (the Levellers played it the year before which was the last year at the Semple stadium in Thurles) - some line-up for £45.
I've listened to lots of Stone Roses and I didn't think Second Coming was as bad as some made out (it was just impossible to follow something as generational as TSR). Being a (poor) guitar player I always focused on Squires but after a while you realise it's Mani holding the whole show together.
That is some line up. Was that 96 by any chance? Looks similar to the Reading festival line up from that year, which I look back at with incredible regret over some of the bands I didn't bother to see
Very sad. Obviously I get how this resonates with the Stone Roses but my personal memory of Mani is much deeper via Primal Scream. Saw them live with him on bass a few times and Vanishing Point is in my top 10 fave albums. His wife died two years back and he leaves 12 yr old twin boys behind too, absolutely dreadful for them.
Met Mani when working in a recording studio in the mid nineties and he had just joined Primal Scream. A really lovely down to earth guy.
Was a massive Stone Roses fan got into them very early and introduced them to loads of people at school as the Album was the soundtrack to a pretty legendary Ski trip. Being ever the professional never said a thing to him.
Amazing bassist that helped create the sound of the Manchester scene. The first Stone Roses album is one of the greatest of all time.
Interesting fact they recorded most of this Album before with I think Martin Harnett (Joy division) and it was trash (bought a bootleg in Camden), same songs pretty much. A really great example of getting the right producer (John Leckie) with the right band to make musical magic
Met Mani when working in a recording studio in the mid nineties and he had just joined Primal Scream. A really lovely down to earth guy.
Was a massive Stone Roses fan got into them very early and introduced them to loads of people at school as the Album was the soundtrack to a pretty legendary Ski trip. Being ever the professional never said a thing to him.
Amazing bassist that helped create the sound of the Manchester scene. The first Stone Roses album is one of the greatest of all time.
Interesting fact they recorded most of this Album before with I think Martin Harnett (Joy division) and it was trash (bought a bootleg in Camden), same songs pretty much. A really great example of getting the right producer (John Leckie) with the right band to make musical magic
Leckie produced a lot of the great early Simple minds albums. Great producer with a great catalogue
That is some line up. Was that 96 by any chance? Looks similar to the Reading festival line up from that year, which I look back at with incredible regret over some of the bands I didn't bother to see
1995 so i think their first gig without Reni. I think the Roses binned Glastonbury because Squire broke his arm in an accident.
We were all taking the pìss before Terence Trent D'Arby's set saying we'd hold up lighters and swoon for "Sign your name..." - surprisingly, he's a bloody good musician. I saw somewhere he still touring today in his 60s uber a different name.
Ah, this is awful. He’d only just announced a speaking tour and there must have been 100 venues on the list. I always remember buying the first album - just came out of a successful job interview, happy as Larry, so I popped into the record shop there and bought The Stones Roses, (because the NME told me to, hadn’t heard them before) and Doolittle (Pixies). Saw them post-Reni in Brighton, around 95, IIRC. Brown had a bad night but Mani and John Squire were just great to watch. Only a week older than me - and John Squire. One of those deaths that hits a bit harder, this one, bless him.
RIP Mani and thank you.
I need a SAGA. What’s the SAGA? It’s ….. Queen’s Park Rangers.
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