| Hamstring Injuries 21:39 - Oct 21 with 1905 views | BlueWizard | There are so many Hamstring Injuries you have to wonder why ? Is something missing in the warm up ? More focus needed on exercises and strengthening those areas ? It does seem very strange. I had a bad injury with my hamstring years ago and I was told by a very well versed physio that I should take up yoga and strengthening exercises. Obviously, our own Physios are well versed so they must be alerted to this very unlucky sequence of bad injuries.... Let's hope we have used all our injuries up in the 1st half of the season 🤞☘️ |  | | |  |
| Hamstring Injuries on 21:44 - Oct 21 with 1892 views | EllDale | How many of the dozen or so current injuries are hamstring related? |  | |  |
| Hamstring Injuries on 22:07 - Oct 21 with 1795 views | 49thseason | As of October 2026, Rochdale AFC is experiencing a severe injury crisis, with Head Coach Ian Watson confirming that 13 First Team players are currently sidelined. The complete breakdown of injured players and their respective injuries includes: Player Position. Injury Type Dan Moss Defender Knee (Ruptured ACL — out for the season) Will Jenkins Midfielder Knee (Ruptured ACL — out for the season) Casey Pettit Midfielder Knee (MCL injury — out several months) Nils Ramming Goalkeeper Thigh (Tear — out approx. 10 weeks) Laurence Maguire Defender Calf (Torn calf — out approx. 10 weeks) Bryant Bilongo Defender Hamstring (Pulled hamstring — out approx. 6 weeks) Emmanuel "Mani" Dieseruvwe Forward Hamstring (Pulled hamstring) Tobi Adebayo-Rowling Defender Unspecified match injury (Sustained 20 Oct) Kane Taylor Midfielder Unspecified match injury (Sustained 20 Oct) Ryan East Midfielder Toe injury Jonny Smith Forward Leg injury Devante Rodney Forward Persistent pain / flair-up (underwent steroid injection) Ethan Ebanks-Landell Defender Unspecified pain/mobility injury |  | |  |
| Hamstring Injuries on 09:44 - Oct 22 with 1413 views | James1980 | If it's not been done already the club should carry out DNA tests on the players which can see if they are genetically at elevated risk of injuries like this a tailor training programs to minimise risk of them occurring. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 12:01 - Oct 22 with 1241 views | richfoad32 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 09:44 - Oct 22 by James1980 | If it's not been done already the club should carry out DNA tests on the players which can see if they are genetically at elevated risk of injuries like this a tailor training programs to minimise risk of them occurring. |
What would the cost be for a process such as this? Though I suppose any outlay would be mitigated by having players that have a higher chance of remaining on the pitch. I'm not privy to what the club does or doesn't do involving players health and fitness, there seems to be a tacit acceptance that the trainers are at fault. Maybe they already are sanctioning a lot of what has been suggested and it's just been an extraordinarily freak year in terms of injuries? What are other clubs lists like? [Post edited 22 Oct 12:33]
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| Hamstring Injuries on 12:03 - Oct 22 with 1241 views | 49thseason | Yesterday, I sent an email to Ian Watson via the club , to suggest he investigates the use of Ballet exercises as part of the training regime, the Northern College of Dance is 10 minutes from Platt Lane, sending a couple of our coaches down there for a day or two to learn about Ballet training would be a useful addition to their skill sets... Apparently a number of clubs are adding these exercisies to their Academy training with a view to improving strength and flexibility Equally the rehabilitation from these injuries would be helped by Ballet exercises to help prevent recurrance. • Arsenal FC: Current first-team manager Mikel Arteta has actively explored and spoken about incorporating ballet concepts into Arsenal's physical training routines to maximize fluidity and body control. • The "Barre" Trend: Rather than calling it "ballet," clubs across Europe routinely feature barre workouts and dynamic hip-mobility drills led by specialized club physiotherapists. This form of training is especially standard during pre-season camps to build "eccentric strength" in the feet, ankles, and inner thighs—muscles that are notoriously prone to groin pulls and sports hernias in soccer players. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport Football Injury Vulnerability Cause Ballet Counter-Exercise Biomechanical Fix Hamstring Strain Weakness during high-speed running extension Arabesque Eccentric strengthening of the posterior chain Ankle Sprain Poor landing mechanics or weak lateral stabilizers Tendu / Relevé Increased intrinsic foot strength and proprioception Groin Pull Overuse and tightness in the hip adductors Rond de Jambe Dynamic flexibility and active hip rotational control ACL Tear Knee valgus (buckling inward) during sharp cuts Plié (with strict turnout alignment) Teaches knees to track safely over toes under load |  | |  |
| Hamstring Injuries on 12:10 - Oct 22 with 1232 views | isitme | You would always say that there is a difference between impact injuries and muscle injuries. There is a massive volume of work on prehab - training to prevent injury. With the use of GPS data etc there is also a clearer picture about loading during training and matches so that players can be substituted or training loads eased back. Pre-season can also be vital in building core fitness. Not only did we start late but a lot of players also joined later. You could also question the signing of players with histories of prior injury, although is that a risk versus reward gamble? Let's look at the injury list: Casey Pettit - Contact injury - Knee Will Jenkins - Non contact injury - Knee Ethan Ebanks-Landell - Unknown injury - suspected hamstring? Nils Ramming - Torn thigh Laurence Maguire - Torn calf Tobi Adebayo-Rowling - Unknown Ryan East - Contact injury - Broken toe Kane Taylor - Unknown - looked to be a thigh injury Jonny Smith - Unspecified 'leg' injury - suspected muscular Mani D - Hamstring Bryant Bilongo - Hamstring Devante Rodney - Hip injury Dan Moss - Contact injury - knee Beckwith was also out with a hamstring injury and Maguire has already been out injured once with a muscle injury. Lots of muscle injuries, too many muscle injuries. Something needs to be looked at in the conditioning and training. |  | |  |
| Hamstring Injuries on 12:54 - Oct 22 with 1154 views | James1980 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 12:01 - Oct 22 by richfoad32 | What would the cost be for a process such as this? Though I suppose any outlay would be mitigated by having players that have a higher chance of remaining on the pitch. I'm not privy to what the club does or doesn't do involving players health and fitness, there seems to be a tacit acceptance that the trainers are at fault. Maybe they already are sanctioning a lot of what has been suggested and it's just been an extraordinarily freak year in terms of injuries? What are other clubs lists like? [Post edited 22 Oct 12:33]
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Looks like it would be a maximum of £300 per player so to do the entire squad just over £9K. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 13:10 - Oct 22 with 1125 views | D_Alien |
| Hamstring Injuries on 12:54 - Oct 22 by James1980 | Looks like it would be a maximum of £300 per player so to do the entire squad just over £9K. |
Is that a route players/clubs want to be going down? Could make it more difficult to sell a player on, even if his injury record isn't bad, if his profile showed him prone to particular injuries. Or, hamper a player's prospects even if he stayed fit Hell, might even result in youngsters having their profiles exclude them from being taken up by clubs Better, surely, to put training regimes in place which try to mitigate against any player having muscle injuries |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 13:26 - Oct 22 with 1083 views | 442Dale | As mentioned the other night, Watson acknowledges the issue is being looked at. I’m sure they’re covering all bases, what with those involved being experts in their chosen professions. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 13:35 - Oct 22 with 1075 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 13:26 - Oct 22 by 442Dale | As mentioned the other night, Watson acknowledges the issue is being looked at. I’m sure they’re covering all bases, what with those involved being experts in their chosen professions. |
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Elite? No.
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| Hamstring Injuries on 14:22 - Oct 22 with 960 views | James1980 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 13:35 - Oct 22 by TVOS1907 | Yeah, but can they use AI? |
like this Rather than using DNA to rule out signings or bench players, progressive clubs that look at genetics generally use it as one data point among many. It might help tailor personalized recovery strategies, supplementation, or specific load-monitoring thresholds for a player, but it is rarely treated as a definitive crystal ball for injury prevention. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 14:34 - Oct 22 with 891 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 14:22 - Oct 22 by James1980 | like this Rather than using DNA to rule out signings or bench players, progressive clubs that look at genetics generally use it as one data point among many. It might help tailor personalized recovery strategies, supplementation, or specific load-monitoring thresholds for a player, but it is rarely treated as a definitive crystal ball for injury prevention. |
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Elite? No.
Heavyweight poster? No.
Able to be rational and not over-react to individual results? Yes. |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 14:37 - Oct 22 with 882 views | D_Alien |
| Hamstring Injuries on 14:22 - Oct 22 by James1980 | like this Rather than using DNA to rule out signings or bench players, progressive clubs that look at genetics generally use it as one data point among many. It might help tailor personalized recovery strategies, supplementation, or specific load-monitoring thresholds for a player, but it is rarely treated as a definitive crystal ball for injury prevention. |
Unlike this: The term "rarely" is carrying a heavy load there (maybe someone should DNA profile it?) but there's also a major data issue; ownership. If the clubs are paying for the profile, who owns the data? Does the player carry it with them from club to club, like a passport? Profiling is also likely to flag other health issues or vulnerabilities. How might this affect players who suddenly find they're prone to a range of cancers, or other life-changing conditions? What if the club withholds this information from them? It's an absolute minefield, and whilst some clubs may be dipping their toes into this to promote personalised training etc., in the longer term i wouldn't be at all surprised if it raised problems for the game that already has enough problems to deal with, on and off the field, largely to do with money Club owners might even wish to set their own parameters on which players are bought/sold depending on profiling. Is that really what you'd like to see, James? [Post edited 22 Oct 14:38]
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| Hamstring Injuries on 15:26 - Oct 22 with 798 views | James1980 | I will show my working. Question asked of AI Do football clubs check players genetic predisposition for injury risk? The response Some elite football clubs and advanced sports science departments explore or utilize genetic profiling, but its application remains a subject of ongoing debate, caution, and varying adoption across the industry. Current Industry Practice * Pioneering and Private Use: A subset of elite clubs (including select Premier League and top-flight European sides) have experimented with genetic and epigenetic screening. This is usually conducted quietly through private sports science partnerships rather than as a universal standard. * The Markers Examined: When clubs or researchers look at genetic predispositions, they typically focus on specific biological systems: * Connective Tissue: Genes like COL5A1, which influence collagen structure, tendon strength, and ligament resilience under explosive loads. * Energy Metabolism & Fatigue: Markers like AMPD1, which relate to muscle fatigue resistance and recovery efficiency. * Inflammation & Repair: Genes like IGF2, which affect tissue healing responses between congested fixtures. Limitations and Skepticism Despite commercial interest, many sports scientists and medical professionals treat commercial genetic injury panels with a high degree of skepticism for several reasons: * Weak Predictive Power: Major systematic reviews note that the evidence base supporting genetics as a standalone prognostic or diagnostic tool for injury risk is currently weak. There is no single "injury gene"; football injuries are multifactorial, depending heavily on training loads, pitch conditions, opponent contact, and cumulative fatigue. * Environmental Overrides: A player with a theoretical "high-risk" genetic marker who follows rigorous load management, strength conditioning, and recovery protocols will often have a lower absolute injury risk than a "low-risk" player subjected to poor workload management. * Actionability: Critics argue that genetic insights rarely change what a medical team should be doing anyway. Good practice—such as monitoring GPS data, tracking fatigue, optimizing nutrition, and prescribing strength work—remains essential for every player regardless of their DNA. How It Is Actually Used Rather than using DNA to rule out signings or bench players, progressive clubs that look at genetics generally use it as one data point among many. It might help tailor personalized recovery strategies, supplementation, or specific load-monitoring thresholds for a player, but it is rarely treated as a definitive crystal ball for injury prevention. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 15:38 - Oct 22 with 781 views | James1980 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 14:37 - Oct 22 by D_Alien | Unlike this: The term "rarely" is carrying a heavy load there (maybe someone should DNA profile it?) but there's also a major data issue; ownership. If the clubs are paying for the profile, who owns the data? Does the player carry it with them from club to club, like a passport? Profiling is also likely to flag other health issues or vulnerabilities. How might this affect players who suddenly find they're prone to a range of cancers, or other life-changing conditions? What if the club withholds this information from them? It's an absolute minefield, and whilst some clubs may be dipping their toes into this to promote personalised training etc., in the longer term i wouldn't be at all surprised if it raised problems for the game that already has enough problems to deal with, on and off the field, largely to do with money Club owners might even wish to set their own parameters on which players are bought/sold depending on profiling. Is that really what you'd like to see, James? [Post edited 22 Oct 14:38]
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There was me just looking at a way to prevent further injuries and adapting training programs to get players available for the match day squad as quickly as possible using all tools available. You are right to point out the much wider implications. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 16:35 - Oct 22 with 693 views | D_Alien |
| Hamstring Injuries on 15:38 - Oct 22 by James1980 | There was me just looking at a way to prevent further injuries and adapting training programs to get players available for the match day squad as quickly as possible using all tools available. You are right to point out the much wider implications. |
It could still become a useful tool, but if it were to become more widespread would likely require some kind of regulation, and in a game that's already straining under the weight of regulations |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 18:16 - Oct 22 with 551 views | Rehsad | I used to compete at quite a high level (not football) and my data (along with a large number of others) was used in the initial versions of the Athlete Biological Passport. This was in the early days of APB - around 2004-2008 - and the data set was really only looking at haemoglobin and haematocrit. This was not DNA based - but actual levels. The challenge was to produce a baseline above which one could predict reasonably well that cheating was taking place (EPO).The pathways thatare involved in such a simple molecules production are complex - and the number of proteins (eg enzymes) substantial. This is important as DNA codes for proteins. As a species, like all successful species, we seldom rely on one pathway - so if we are deficient in one particular enzyme there is a strong probability that evolution has provided a work around. This is not always the case of course and some very nasty conditions arise because of a single enzyme deficiency - and this could be due to a single anomaly on one base in the DNA code. I have actually had one purchased test - IL-6 gene - because I can suffer from inflammation. The information received back was complete junk - a waste of £50 really. yes, it could tell me the 'strength' of the gene - but you could be 99% functioning and totally OK or 99.9% functioning and if the misread is in the wrong place then you could be in trouble. The data that you get back isn't (or certainly wasnt in my case) anywhere near good enough to make the call. I suffer from inflammation and it may or may not be down to IL-6 coding. The usual ones that you see are ACTN3 and COL1A1. I've seen a lot of papers on ACTN3 and I suspect that there is something in it - but I also sscpect that it is a small part of a much more complex mechanism. COL1A1 I've seen a lot less published on. COL1A! is probably the topic associated with this thread. I would treat it with great suspicion. Sadly I think that a lot of what one can read (and probably what AI farms) is mainly put out by companies selling a test to you. I'm a Biologist by profession. I work with gene sequences on a daily basis - but I'm more interested in Resistance (antibiotics). The microbial genome is very simple compared to a mammalian set - and it is a real challenge to determine what switches on and off certain genes at the microbial resistance level. Being able to predict how tissue performs from a DNA test is, I suspect, almost impossible today. Also, think of the sample, these people are already elite athletes - they unlikely to have got there by having weak genes in the places that matter. Whilst one day I'm sure that it will be possible to predict outcomes from sequences more accurately I'm afraid that it's quite a long way off. There's absolutely no AI input into the above! |  | |  |
| Hamstring Injuries on 18:23 - Oct 22 with 545 views | James1980 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 16:35 - Oct 22 by D_Alien | It could still become a useful tool, but if it were to become more widespread would likely require some kind of regulation, and in a game that's already straining under the weight of regulations |
I cheated again and looked up how the PFA might view this The Professional Footballers’ Association (PFA) does not have a bespoke, standalone policy specifically titled "Genetic Testing," but its overall position is defined by clear medical, ethical, and employment guidelines. The PFA’s stance centers on three core principles: 1. Data Ownership and Player Consent The PFA firmly maintains that a player's medical data belongs entirely to the individual player, not the club. If a club offers or suggests genetic screening, it must be strictly voluntary. The union opposes any compulsory DNA testing or screening that is made a condition of employment. 2. Protection Against Contractual Discrimination A major union concern is that predictive or unproven science could be misused during contract negotiations, transfers, or youth release decisions. The PFA opposes using genetic markers to: * Deny contracts or lower wage offers based on a perceived theoretical risk. * Decide whether to retain or release academy players. * Devalue a player during medical examinations prior to a transfer. Because scientific consensus views genetic predisposition as a poor standalone predictor of actual injury, the PFA expects clubs to evaluate players on demonstrable fitness, physical performance, and clinical evidence rather than potential genetic traits. 3. Medical Confidentiality and GDPR Under standard data protection law and medical privacy frameworks supported by the union, genetic data is classified as highly sensitive personal data. If a player consents to genetic profiling for personalized training or recovery, those results are strictly confidential between the player and the qualified medical staff, and cannot be shared with executive management or used as leverage in commercial decisions. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 18:51 - Oct 22 with 486 views | 442Dale |
| Hamstring Injuries on 18:16 - Oct 22 by Rehsad | I used to compete at quite a high level (not football) and my data (along with a large number of others) was used in the initial versions of the Athlete Biological Passport. This was in the early days of APB - around 2004-2008 - and the data set was really only looking at haemoglobin and haematocrit. This was not DNA based - but actual levels. The challenge was to produce a baseline above which one could predict reasonably well that cheating was taking place (EPO).The pathways thatare involved in such a simple molecules production are complex - and the number of proteins (eg enzymes) substantial. This is important as DNA codes for proteins. As a species, like all successful species, we seldom rely on one pathway - so if we are deficient in one particular enzyme there is a strong probability that evolution has provided a work around. This is not always the case of course and some very nasty conditions arise because of a single enzyme deficiency - and this could be due to a single anomaly on one base in the DNA code. I have actually had one purchased test - IL-6 gene - because I can suffer from inflammation. The information received back was complete junk - a waste of £50 really. yes, it could tell me the 'strength' of the gene - but you could be 99% functioning and totally OK or 99.9% functioning and if the misread is in the wrong place then you could be in trouble. The data that you get back isn't (or certainly wasnt in my case) anywhere near good enough to make the call. I suffer from inflammation and it may or may not be down to IL-6 coding. The usual ones that you see are ACTN3 and COL1A1. I've seen a lot of papers on ACTN3 and I suspect that there is something in it - but I also sscpect that it is a small part of a much more complex mechanism. COL1A1 I've seen a lot less published on. COL1A! is probably the topic associated with this thread. I would treat it with great suspicion. Sadly I think that a lot of what one can read (and probably what AI farms) is mainly put out by companies selling a test to you. I'm a Biologist by profession. I work with gene sequences on a daily basis - but I'm more interested in Resistance (antibiotics). The microbial genome is very simple compared to a mammalian set - and it is a real challenge to determine what switches on and off certain genes at the microbial resistance level. Being able to predict how tissue performs from a DNA test is, I suspect, almost impossible today. Also, think of the sample, these people are already elite athletes - they unlikely to have got there by having weak genes in the places that matter. Whilst one day I'm sure that it will be possible to predict outcomes from sequences more accurately I'm afraid that it's quite a long way off. There's absolutely no AI input into the above! |
Your final line makes all that it followed at least worth reading. AI is going only one way and, despite whatever positives it may add right now, it’s a direction that will have a long term negative impact. Worth thinking about when passing it off as all-knowing. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 19:01 - Oct 22 with 455 views | James1980 | Just to give some context 7 years ago I took advantage or was conned by a black Friday deal to do one of those deep dive DNA tests and one of the things that came up was about injury risk. |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 19:13 - Oct 22 with 432 views | D_Alien |
| Hamstring Injuries on 18:16 - Oct 22 by Rehsad | I used to compete at quite a high level (not football) and my data (along with a large number of others) was used in the initial versions of the Athlete Biological Passport. This was in the early days of APB - around 2004-2008 - and the data set was really only looking at haemoglobin and haematocrit. This was not DNA based - but actual levels. The challenge was to produce a baseline above which one could predict reasonably well that cheating was taking place (EPO).The pathways thatare involved in such a simple molecules production are complex - and the number of proteins (eg enzymes) substantial. This is important as DNA codes for proteins. As a species, like all successful species, we seldom rely on one pathway - so if we are deficient in one particular enzyme there is a strong probability that evolution has provided a work around. This is not always the case of course and some very nasty conditions arise because of a single enzyme deficiency - and this could be due to a single anomaly on one base in the DNA code. I have actually had one purchased test - IL-6 gene - because I can suffer from inflammation. The information received back was complete junk - a waste of £50 really. yes, it could tell me the 'strength' of the gene - but you could be 99% functioning and totally OK or 99.9% functioning and if the misread is in the wrong place then you could be in trouble. The data that you get back isn't (or certainly wasnt in my case) anywhere near good enough to make the call. I suffer from inflammation and it may or may not be down to IL-6 coding. The usual ones that you see are ACTN3 and COL1A1. I've seen a lot of papers on ACTN3 and I suspect that there is something in it - but I also sscpect that it is a small part of a much more complex mechanism. COL1A1 I've seen a lot less published on. COL1A! is probably the topic associated with this thread. I would treat it with great suspicion. Sadly I think that a lot of what one can read (and probably what AI farms) is mainly put out by companies selling a test to you. I'm a Biologist by profession. I work with gene sequences on a daily basis - but I'm more interested in Resistance (antibiotics). The microbial genome is very simple compared to a mammalian set - and it is a real challenge to determine what switches on and off certain genes at the microbial resistance level. Being able to predict how tissue performs from a DNA test is, I suspect, almost impossible today. Also, think of the sample, these people are already elite athletes - they unlikely to have got there by having weak genes in the places that matter. Whilst one day I'm sure that it will be possible to predict outcomes from sequences more accurately I'm afraid that it's quite a long way off. There's absolutely no AI input into the above! |
Love this The expertise within the Dale family often goes unreported and therefore unheralded -perhaps rightly so, we're here for the football! - but where it coincides, it's enhancing |  |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 20:16 - Oct 22 with 346 views | Rehsad |
| Hamstring Injuries on 18:51 - Oct 22 by 442Dale | Your final line makes all that it followed at least worth reading. AI is going only one way and, despite whatever positives it may add right now, it’s a direction that will have a long term negative impact. Worth thinking about when passing it off as all-knowing. |
Interestingly I do an actually think that machine learning, done correctly will speed up the understanding of how our complex systems (bodies) actually interact. It isn't going to arrive quickly though. The current version of AI is, in my view, nothing more than a very powerful search engine with a degree of weighting built in. Accurate it is not. I'm much more concerned about Quantum Computers than I am about AI (well, actually I'm probably concerned about the combination of quantum computers and machine learning as that will have a massive impact on every aspect of life). |  | |  |
| Hamstring Injuries on 20:52 - Oct 22 with 296 views | TVOS1907 |
| Hamstring Injuries on 19:13 - Oct 22 by D_Alien | Love this The expertise within the Dale family often goes unreported and therefore unheralded -perhaps rightly so, we're here for the football! - but where it coincides, it's enhancing |
Especially when that expertise is written about on a personal level. |  |
| Maestro? No.
Elite? No.
Heavyweight poster? No.
Able to be rational and not over-react to individual results? Yes. |
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| Hamstring Injuries on 21:42 - Oct 22 with 225 views | D_Alien |
| Hamstring Injuries on 20:16 - Oct 22 by Rehsad | Interestingly I do an actually think that machine learning, done correctly will speed up the understanding of how our complex systems (bodies) actually interact. It isn't going to arrive quickly though. The current version of AI is, in my view, nothing more than a very powerful search engine with a degree of weighting built in. Accurate it is not. I'm much more concerned about Quantum Computers than I am about AI (well, actually I'm probably concerned about the combination of quantum computers and machine learning as that will have a massive impact on every aspect of life). |
And... this technology is just in its infancy There's a good deal of pushback against huge data centres; ugly, power and water hungry... for now. Planning proposals turned down in the UK will hugely backfire on us, when we have no skin in the game as the scaling goes through the same process as it did (for instance) with mobile phones The internet, and more so with AI, is a reflection of us all; the sum total of our intellect and awareness being reflected back at us all, for the first time. Many are struggling to cope with that The products of humans, i.e. deriving from having a brain, heart and gut, will become more of a premium once AI reaches a certain point. That's what we need to hold on to, and why i remain an optimist |  |
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