| Chris Beech 11:18 - Oct 10 with 6272 views | HullDale |
Sacked by Carlisle United this morning after a tough start to the season. |  | | |  |
| Chris Beech on 11:36 - Oct 10 with 3920 views | boromat |
Not easy to comment as I've not seen them play but does seem a little like he's a victim of his own relative success. Did well last year and weren't far off the play offs probably better than the expectations. Bad start this year and he's being measured now against being play off contenders. |  |
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| Chris Beech on 11:40 - Oct 10 with 3911 views | EllDale |
Vacancy for Keith Hill?
I think they’ll always struggle to attract players due to the geography so it’s a hard job. | | | |
| Chris Beech on 12:01 - Oct 10 with 3868 views | kel |
By all accounts the football has been dreadful and anyone that signs Magnus Norman after working with him at Dale is always going to raise eyebrows about his signings.
Zach Clough isn’t pulling up and trees for them either which I did warn them about, eh Griffie? |  |
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| Chris Beech on 12:23 - Oct 10 with 3791 views | D_Alien |
| Chris Beech on 11:36 - Oct 10 by boromat |
Not easy to comment as I've not seen them play but does seem a little like he's a victim of his own relative success. Did well last year and weren't far off the play offs probably better than the expectations. Bad start this year and he's being measured now against being play off contenders. |
They were in contention for auto promotion until a huge backlog of fixtures gave them too much to do
Could be said the start to this season is a reaction to that disappointment, and should've been given another couple of months |  |
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| Chris Beech on 14:03 - Oct 10 with 3621 views | nordenblue |
| Chris Beech on 11:40 - Oct 10 by EllDale |
Vacancy for Keith Hill?
I think they’ll always struggle to attract players due to the geography so it’s a hard job. |
I think totally opposite, they're a massive club at lower league level and can attract some very good players, there's fook all in Cumbria for miles and miles so a huge net for them to aim at. | | | |
| Chris Beech on 14:16 - Oct 10 with 3595 views | TVOS1907 |
| Chris Beech on 14:03 - Oct 10 by nordenblue |
I think totally opposite, they're a massive club at lower league level and can attract some very good players, there's fook all in Cumbria for miles and miles so a huge net for them to aim at. |
Not if those in the area they are aiming at aren't good enough. |  |
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| Chris Beech on 14:24 - Oct 10 with 3562 views | nordenblue |
| Chris Beech on 14:16 - Oct 10 by TVOS1907 |
Not if those in the area they are aiming at aren't good enough. |
Not sure you have to be a Cumbrian to play for Carlisle, folk will travel too. | | | |
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| Chris Beech on 14:43 - Oct 10 with 3513 views | D_Alien |
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| Chris Beech on 14:45 - Oct 10 with 3500 views | TVOS1907 |
| Chris Beech on 14:24 - Oct 10 by nordenblue |
Not sure you have to be a Cumbrian to play for Carlisle, folk will travel too. |
Your previous post implied they would be looking at people close by. | |
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| Chris Beech on 16:32 - Oct 10 with 3282 views | nordenblue |
| Chris Beech on 14:45 - Oct 10 by TVOS1907 |
Your previous post implied they would be looking at people close by. |
Yes absolutely....to support the team, as I said massive club for a huge catchment area | | | |
| Chris Beech on 17:01 - Oct 10 with 3205 views | TVOS1907 |
| Chris Beech on 16:32 - Oct 10 by nordenblue |
Yes absolutely....to support the team, as I said massive club for a huge catchment area |
But EllDale was on about them attracting players!
It's always been acknowledged that Carlisle, like Norwich and Plymouth, have the potential to attract big crowds because they are the only clubs for miles around. | |
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| Chris Beech on 17:04 - Oct 10 with 3192 views | griff |
| Chris Beech on 12:01 - Oct 10 by kel |
By all accounts the football has been dreadful and anyone that signs Magnus Norman after working with him at Dale is always going to raise eyebrows about his signings.
Zach Clough isn’t pulling up and trees for them either which I did warn them about, eh Griffie? |
Git. But you were absolutely bang on Kel, he hasn't exactly shone but he hasn’t been given a chance to. I mean, we thought we’d bought a number 10, then he had to watch the ball hoofed forward at the time. Fine at times if you have a target man who can hold the ball up but we don’t have one. The football since Christmas has been clueless and the players obviously haven’t bought into the philosophy because they can see that it doesn’t work.
We were fine up to Christmas last season playing a high press and winning lots of second balls but we should have seen the writing on the wall because a lot of the goals were coming from midfielders who picked up injuries or simply got knackered as the season went on. Some have described our form after Christmas as a blip but this season proves that it wasn’t - that was our real form. It didn’t help that players left for better money late in the window (I mean, Wrexham ffs) but he’s continued to fail without changing enough to effect change. He had to go.
And that’s the short version. |  | | |
| Chris Beech on 19:00 - Oct 10 with 2971 views | nordenblue |
| Chris Beech on 17:01 - Oct 10 by TVOS1907 |
But EllDale was on about them attracting players!
It's always been acknowledged that Carlisle, like Norwich and Plymouth, have the potential to attract big crowds because they are the only clubs for miles around. |
Why wouldn't Carlisle attract players, would Norwich and Plymouth struggle to attract players due to locality?
It's pretty odd reasoning, due to them being the only club locally, they as you say attract bigger crowds giving them bigger spending power to......attract players | | | |
| Chris Beech on 19:04 - Oct 10 with 2961 views | kel |
| Chris Beech on 17:04 - Oct 10 by griff |
Git. But you were absolutely bang on Kel, he hasn't exactly shone but he hasn’t been given a chance to. I mean, we thought we’d bought a number 10, then he had to watch the ball hoofed forward at the time. Fine at times if you have a target man who can hold the ball up but we don’t have one. The football since Christmas has been clueless and the players obviously haven’t bought into the philosophy because they can see that it doesn’t work.
We were fine up to Christmas last season playing a high press and winning lots of second balls but we should have seen the writing on the wall because a lot of the goals were coming from midfielders who picked up injuries or simply got knackered as the season went on. Some have described our form after Christmas as a blip but this season proves that it wasn’t - that was our real form. It didn’t help that players left for better money late in the window (I mean, Wrexham ffs) but he’s continued to fail without changing enough to effect change. He had to go.
And that’s the short version. |
I personally think it’s more of a mental thing with Clough. Can’t be easy sliding down the leagues when not long ago he got a huge move to Forest. There’s a player in there but something is holding him back regardless of the style of football.
It’s a shame really as it was brilliant when the bury fans cried about him destroying them a few seasons ago. | |
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| Chris Beech on 19:14 - Oct 10 with 2947 views | James1980 |
| Chris Beech on 19:04 - Oct 10 by kel |
I personally think it’s more of a mental thing with Clough. Can’t be easy sliding down the leagues when not long ago he got a huge move to Forest. There’s a player in there but something is holding him back regardless of the style of football.
It’s a shame really as it was brilliant when the bury fans cried about him destroying them a few seasons ago. |
Was he injured for most of his time with us? As I recall he hardly featured. | |
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| Chris Beech on 19:17 - Oct 10 with 2945 views | kel |
| Chris Beech on 19:14 - Oct 10 by James1980 |
Was he injured for most of his time with us? As I recall he hardly featured. |
Aye, but i remember watching him warm up as a sub once and he just looked like he didn’t have any interest at all. If I recall correctly he didn’t come on that game either. | |
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| Chris Beech on 19:32 - Oct 10 with 2906 views | James1980 |
| Chris Beech on 19:17 - Oct 10 by kel |
Aye, but i remember watching him warm up as a sub once and he just looked like he didn’t have any interest at all. If I recall correctly he didn’t come on that game either. |
Maybe attitude rather than confidence when he was with us. | |
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| Chris Beech on 19:50 - Oct 10 with 2862 views | D_Alien |
| Chris Beech on 19:32 - Oct 10 by James1980 |
Maybe attitude rather than confidence when he was with us. |
I very much doubt that James
Someone with a poor attitude is hardly likely to be appointed youth team coach, especially by KH back then
He just had career-limiting injuries, as others have since such as Steve Davies | |
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| Chris Beech on 19:51 - Oct 10 with 2862 views | TVOS1907 |
| Chris Beech on 19:00 - Oct 10 by nordenblue |
Why wouldn't Carlisle attract players, would Norwich and Plymouth struggle to attract players due to locality?
It's pretty odd reasoning, due to them being the only club locally, they as you say attract bigger crowds giving them bigger spending power to......attract players |
You might need to take it up with EllDale as it was his point in the first place.
However, it has often been cited by people from the likes of Torquay, Plymouth, Exeter and Carlisle, in interviews, that location is a big factor in them struggling to attract players.
There is little security in playing for a lower league club, so it's difficult for some players, especially those with families, to uproot and move to those more remote locations for what might only be a one or two year contract on a similar wage they might be able to get closer to home.
Just look at how many players in League 2 spend most of their career in one particular part of the country. The likes of Henderson are an anomaly at this level.
Norwich are a Premier League club and have tended to be in the top two divisions, so they can always offer more attractive packages to would-be players. They also get over 25,000 watching every home game.
Plymouth had 11,509 watching yesterday and are generally well-supported, thereby making them also an attractive club to new players . However, they will also suffer from the same location issues as Exeter and Torquay, but on a lesser scale.
Carlisle have also had one promotion in 15 years, so they're clearly not attracting the right sort of players, whichever net they are casting. The money for the likes of Derek Mountfield is obviously not there anymore. [Post edited 10 Oct 2021 19:57]
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| Chris Beech on 19:55 - Oct 10 with 2852 views | D_Alien |
| Chris Beech on 19:51 - Oct 10 by TVOS1907 |
You might need to take it up with EllDale as it was his point in the first place.
However, it has often been cited by people from the likes of Torquay, Plymouth, Exeter and Carlisle, in interviews, that location is a big factor in them struggling to attract players.
There is little security in playing for a lower league club, so it's difficult for some players, especially those with families, to uproot and move to those more remote locations for what might only be a one or two year contract on a similar wage they might be able to get closer to home.
Just look at how many players in League 2 spend most of their career in one particular part of the country. The likes of Henderson are an anomaly at this level.
Norwich are a Premier League club and have tended to be in the top two divisions, so they can always offer more attractive packages to would-be players. They also get over 25,000 watching every home game.
Plymouth had 11,509 watching yesterday and are generally well-supported, thereby making them also an attractive club to new players . However, they will also suffer from the same location issues as Exeter and Torquay, but on a lesser scale.
Carlisle have also had one promotion in 15 years, so they're clearly not attracting the right sort of players, whichever net they are casting. The money for the likes of Derek Mountfield is obviously not there anymore. [Post edited 10 Oct 2021 19:57]
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But don't forget, they've got a huge sheep population in the Lake District that Carlisle can call upon when needed | |
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| Chris Beech on 19:57 - Oct 10 with 2833 views | TVOS1907 |
| Chris Beech on 19:55 - Oct 10 by D_Alien |
But don't forget, they've got a huge sheep population in the Lake District that Carlisle can call upon when needed |
Baaah Humbug! | |
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| Chris Beech on 19:59 - Oct 10 with 2825 views | D_Alien |
| Chris Beech on 19:57 - Oct 10 by TVOS1907 |
Baaah Humbug! |
Thought he'd signed for an urban team? | |
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| Chris Beech on 20:06 - Oct 10 with 2800 views | D_Alien |
| Chris Beech on 19:50 - Oct 10 by D_Alien |
I very much doubt that James
Someone with a poor attitude is hardly likely to be appointed youth team coach, especially by KH back then
He just had career-limiting injuries, as others have since such as Steve Davies |
Replying to myself here, but just to add that Davies was repeatedly slagged off on here for carrying a few extra pounds by one of the grossest slobs (since banned) this messageboard has known
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| Chris Beech on 20:23 - Oct 10 with 2740 views | James1980 |
| Chris Beech on 19:50 - Oct 10 by D_Alien |
I very much doubt that James
Someone with a poor attitude is hardly likely to be appointed youth team coach, especially by KH back then
He just had career-limiting injuries, as others have since such as Steve Davies |
Sorry I was referring to Zach Clough. But I agree with your other points. | |
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