| Next firebreak 22:16 - Nov 16 with 17589 views | controversial_jack |
From a source at the Welsh assembly, 21st December. |  | | |  |
| Next firebreak on 11:16 - Nov 18 with 1260 views | onehunglow |
| Next firebreak on 00:01 - Nov 18 by Highjack |
“Obviously nothing that’s prejudicial though”.
That’s exactly what it would be if entry was refused on this basis.
Premises can refuse entry for lots of reasons, for example if someone is drunk or aggressive or is displaying any sort of disruptive behaviour but the laws on covid restrictions say you cannot routinely ask for proof of exemption from wearing a mask. Refusing entry on this basis alone is by its very nature prejudice on the grounds of disability.
If you were a shop owner would you be comfortable refusing entry to somebody because they are autistic or suffer extreme anxiety? They could take you to the cleaners. |
I'd be more uncomfortable indeed if someone in my shop minus a mask spread the virus to dozens of others some of whom died. | |
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| Next firebreak on 12:06 - Nov 18 with 1235 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 11:02 - Nov 18 by exhmrc1 |
It has been tried since August opening pubs, gyms, borders, school as you wanted and the results are there for everyone to see. Once coronavirus gets anywhere it spreads and that is the lesson from here and elsewhere in the world. The only countries who have been successful are those closing borders which you dont want. You want your cake and eat it but it doesnt work and has proven to be the case. |
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management/staff/tories-promise-farmers-
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/quarantine-relaxed-for-turkey-farm-workers/
14% of NHS workers are from overseas. We can't close our borders. People would die.
Perhaps we could have introduced very strict rules in early March any time after that was pointless.
Plus 10's thousands of UK residents HAD to come home from hotspots. The virus was here, so why restrict movement our economy needs from countries at less of a risk than the UK?
We've been through this plenty of times - you'll be on about one flight from Zante next. An island with a population of less than double the capacity of the liberty stadium where UK tourists outnumber locals by 10 to 1. But the virus was obviously caught from a greek rather than a girl from Manchester some bloke from Maesteg slept with? | | | |
| Next firebreak on 12:40 - Nov 18 with 1225 views | Whiterockin |
| Next firebreak on 12:06 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management/staff/tories-promise-farmers-
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/quarantine-relaxed-for-turkey-farm-workers/
14% of NHS workers are from overseas. We can't close our borders. People would die.
Perhaps we could have introduced very strict rules in early March any time after that was pointless.
Plus 10's thousands of UK residents HAD to come home from hotspots. The virus was here, so why restrict movement our economy needs from countries at less of a risk than the UK?
We've been through this plenty of times - you'll be on about one flight from Zante next. An island with a population of less than double the capacity of the liberty stadium where UK tourists outnumber locals by 10 to 1. But the virus was obviously caught from a greek rather than a girl from Manchester some bloke from Maesteg slept with? |
Don't waste your time mate, the taxman is like a dog with a bone. All sense goes out the window and he just tugs away to prove a point, rightly or wrongly. |  | | |
| Next firebreak on 13:20 - Nov 18 with 1212 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 12:06 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management/staff/tories-promise-farmers-
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/quarantine-relaxed-for-turkey-farm-workers/
14% of NHS workers are from overseas. We can't close our borders. People would die.
Perhaps we could have introduced very strict rules in early March any time after that was pointless.
Plus 10's thousands of UK residents HAD to come home from hotspots. The virus was here, so why restrict movement our economy needs from countries at less of a risk than the UK?
We've been through this plenty of times - you'll be on about one flight from Zante next. An island with a population of less than double the capacity of the liberty stadium where UK tourists outnumber locals by 10 to 1. But the virus was obviously caught from a greek rather than a girl from Manchester some bloke from Maesteg slept with? |
Looking on flight radar app, it's as if flights around the world are back to normal. i'm sure these passengers are not getting tested or quarantined | | | |
| Next firebreak on 13:21 - Nov 18 with 1211 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 11:08 - Nov 18 by controversial_jack |
They should have been thrown out and had their names taken and banned [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 11:10]
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I agree. I'm sure you know what clubs are like. Apparently some of the worst offenders are people from the committee. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 13:35 - Nov 18 with 1201 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 12:06 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management/staff/tories-promise-farmers-
https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/quarantine-relaxed-for-turkey-farm-workers/
14% of NHS workers are from overseas. We can't close our borders. People would die.
Perhaps we could have introduced very strict rules in early March any time after that was pointless.
Plus 10's thousands of UK residents HAD to come home from hotspots. The virus was here, so why restrict movement our economy needs from countries at less of a risk than the UK?
We've been through this plenty of times - you'll be on about one flight from Zante next. An island with a population of less than double the capacity of the liberty stadium where UK tourists outnumber locals by 10 to 1. But the virus was obviously caught from a greek rather than a girl from Manchester some bloke from Maesteg slept with? |
It wasnt one flight from Zante. That was just an example. There were others throughout the UK and that was the initial reason for the spike increasing roughly twice every fortnight since. The figures for the UK are some of the highest in the world. Compare them with 7 in Taiwan, 25 in New Zealand, 28 in Singapore, , 322 in Malaysia, 496 in South Korea.
Some places got it right. We got it wrong. The facts speak for themselves.
Your bright plans have been followed and failed and led to the large number of deaths that have occurred. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 13:54 - Nov 18 with 1194 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 13:35 - Nov 18 by exhmrc1 |
It wasnt one flight from Zante. That was just an example. There were others throughout the UK and that was the initial reason for the spike increasing roughly twice every fortnight since. The figures for the UK are some of the highest in the world. Compare them with 7 in Taiwan, 25 in New Zealand, 28 in Singapore, , 322 in Malaysia, 496 in South Korea.
Some places got it right. We got it wrong. The facts speak for themselves.
Your bright plans have been followed and failed and led to the large number of deaths that have occurred. |
How do you think the UK compares with those countries? You don't know what a fact is. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 14:19 - Nov 18 with 1184 views | Highjack |
| Next firebreak on 11:06 - Nov 18 by controversial_jack |
There's no reason to not wear a piece of cloth over the mouth and nose. if so so , order online and don't put the safety of others at risk |
The law says there are plenty of reasons, both physical and mental. |  |
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| Next firebreak on 14:25 - Nov 18 with 1182 views | Highjack |
| Next firebreak on 11:16 - Nov 18 by onehunglow |
I'd be more uncomfortable indeed if someone in my shop minus a mask spread the virus to dozens of others some of whom died. |
Well don’t go to shops then if you’re so terrified. Order online. Lock yourself away from the world and cower in the corner rocking away in the foetal position until you die of something else. | |
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| Next firebreak on 14:38 - Nov 18 with 1177 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 14:19 - Nov 18 by Highjack |
The law says there are plenty of reasons, both physical and mental. |
If it was Ebola, I can guarantee there would be few exclusions and everyone would mask up | | | |
| Next firebreak on 14:58 - Nov 18 with 1165 views | Highjack |
| Next firebreak on 14:38 - Nov 18 by controversial_jack |
If it was Ebola, I can guarantee there would be few exclusions and everyone would mask up |
If it were Ebola we definitely wouldn’t be going shopping in B&Ms or Lidls in the first place. | |
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| Next firebreak on 16:21 - Nov 18 with 1145 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 14:58 - Nov 18 by Highjack |
If it were Ebola we definitely wouldn’t be going shopping in B&Ms or Lidls in the first place. |
We would still need to go food shopping, and Lidls is a food shop | | | |
| Next firebreak on 16:47 - Nov 18 with 1137 views | Highjack |
| Next firebreak on 16:21 - Nov 18 by controversial_jack |
We would still need to go food shopping, and Lidls is a food shop |
Ebola is far more lethal. No shops will be open at all. We’d probably be at the stage of food parcels being dropped at doors by drones or men in hazmat suits. | |
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| Next firebreak on 16:58 - Nov 18 with 1135 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 13:54 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
How do you think the UK compares with those countries? You don't know what a fact is. |
Clearly the evidence shows the UK is not doing anywhere near as well. The fact is Singapore for example is a city state. People live far closer together than we do here. Somewhere like Australia and I assume New Zealand is far more rural than us. Auckland is still bigger than anyone of our cities other than London. Similarly Australia has 5 cities bigger than our second city and most of its residents live in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane. The fact is that these countries are different to each other. Singapore is totally different to Australia. Both have the same policy. Keep out the virus and dont allow people in and it works for both. Then you somehow think we are above what clearly works elsewhere. Has it ever dawned on you the far eastern countries have learned from previous viruses and we havent. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 17:43 - Nov 18 with 1128 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 16:58 - Nov 18 by exhmrc1 |
Clearly the evidence shows the UK is not doing anywhere near as well. The fact is Singapore for example is a city state. People live far closer together than we do here. Somewhere like Australia and I assume New Zealand is far more rural than us. Auckland is still bigger than anyone of our cities other than London. Similarly Australia has 5 cities bigger than our second city and most of its residents live in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane. The fact is that these countries are different to each other. Singapore is totally different to Australia. Both have the same policy. Keep out the virus and dont allow people in and it works for both. Then you somehow think we are above what clearly works elsewhere. Has it ever dawned on you the far eastern countries have learned from previous viruses and we havent. |
The countries aren't comparable in any way, shape or form.
Do you realise that we have more migrant workers than the entire population of Singapore and New Zealand?
They are doing essential work that is usually too hard for Brits to bother with - who'd have done that work?
So do you think the state pension should be diverted to tide businessess over the year long lock down you want? | | | |
| Next firebreak on 18:10 - Nov 18 with 1121 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 17:43 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
The countries aren't comparable in any way, shape or form.
Do you realise that we have more migrant workers than the entire population of Singapore and New Zealand?
They are doing essential work that is usually too hard for Brits to bother with - who'd have done that work?
So do you think the state pension should be diverted to tide businessess over the year long lock down you want? |
They dont have to be comparable. They arent comparable with each other but closing the borders has worked for all of them. Keeping our borders hasnt worked for us , France and Spain. All of these countries are different yet all have achieved fantastic results in keeping the deaths down. We have gone with your system and have 70,000 more deaths than last year yet you think that is a price worth paying. It says it all really. Who really cares and who is happy seeing people suffer and die. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 18:25 - Nov 18 with 1118 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 17:43 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
The countries aren't comparable in any way, shape or form.
Do you realise that we have more migrant workers than the entire population of Singapore and New Zealand?
They are doing essential work that is usually too hard for Brits to bother with - who'd have done that work?
So do you think the state pension should be diverted to tide businessess over the year long lock down you want? |
The population of NZ and Singapore together is about 11 Million, we don't get 1 million migrant workers here | | | |
| Next firebreak on 18:40 - Nov 18 with 1117 views | exhmrc1 |
| Next firebreak on 18:25 - Nov 18 by controversial_jack |
The population of NZ and Singapore together is about 11 Million, we don't get 1 million migrant workers here |
There are 200,000 from the Phillipines alone working in Singapore before you start adding in Chinese, Malaysians, Thai and all the other nations that work there. It is extremely diverse. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 19:50 - Nov 18 with 1101 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 18:25 - Nov 18 by controversial_jack |
The population of NZ and Singapore together is about 11 Million, we don't get 1 million migrant workers here |
Just under 6 million migrant workers here according to the ONS.
I meant the populations individually. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 19:57 - Nov 18 with 1097 views | Scotia |
Singapore has 300000 migrant workers in total, so we have 18 times the amount.
Not only that but the employer has to give them accommodation, meaning that they are far less likely to integrate into the wider population but live in terribly cramped conditions. Guess where the Singapore outbreaks were? And because of the conditions and lack of integration far easier to control.
We can be compared to France, Spain, Italy and Germany but not places you mention. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 20:09 - Nov 18 with 1092 views | Boundy |
If people CHOOSE not to follow guidelines then we'll be having this discussion until a vaccine is proven to be 100% effective , people by and large are selfish . and even with a 100% effective vaccine then we'll have a large numbers not willing to have it , what then ?
Selective non treatment for those whom ignore advice, that would free up hospitals I suppose and let the rest of us get on with life. | |
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| Next firebreak on 20:13 - Nov 18 with 1090 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 19:50 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
Just under 6 million migrant workers here according to the ONS.
I meant the populations individually. |
Migrant workers who are based here and not to be confused with transient ones | | | |
| Next firebreak on 20:27 - Nov 18 with 1087 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 20:13 - Nov 18 by controversial_jack |
Migrant workers who are based here and not to be confused with transient ones |
Well there's about 4 million non UK nationals, they have to be considered transient even if not seasonal.
My point is that when about 20% of our workforce are immigrants we need to keep borders open as much as is safely possible. We can't pull up the drawbridge like NZ [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 20:27]
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| Next firebreak on 20:30 - Nov 18 with 1084 views | Scotia |
| Next firebreak on 20:09 - Nov 18 by Boundy |
If people CHOOSE not to follow guidelines then we'll be having this discussion until a vaccine is proven to be 100% effective , people by and large are selfish . and even with a 100% effective vaccine then we'll have a large numbers not willing to have it , what then ?
Selective non treatment for those whom ignore advice, that would free up hospitals I suppose and let the rest of us get on with life. |
I'd consider a recharge for health care for those eligible for a vaccine who choose not to have one. | | | |
| Next firebreak on 20:35 - Nov 18 with 1083 views | controversial_jack |
| Next firebreak on 20:27 - Nov 18 by Scotia |
Well there's about 4 million non UK nationals, they have to be considered transient even if not seasonal.
My point is that when about 20% of our workforce are immigrants we need to keep borders open as much as is safely possible. We can't pull up the drawbridge like NZ [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 20:27]
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We will after Brexit. They will have to be based here or go back.
It's not just NZ who have coped better than us, Australia did. The list is endless, and there have been many different methods countries have used to deal with this, but they have done it wholeheartedly not like us.
Our commitment, technology and infrastructure has been inadequate to cope with this pandemic. | | | |
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