| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? 22:06 - Jan 27 with 5522 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Before turning on the manager? Unbeaten in 8 games, seems people lost patience in waiting for our next defeat. For shame.
2nd in the league approaching February with almost zero to spend, relying on kids both home grown and otherwise. We are here because of him, not despite him.
We are not the best team in the league, far from it. Those expecting us to put the likes of Norwich, Brentford and Bournemouth to the sword regularly have their heads firmly stuck in 2014.
There is a sickening air of entitlement around the place which is the exact opposite of everything we were about that brought around success the first time.
Fantastic point. Performance won’t always be there, that’s football. |  |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:06 - Jan 28 with 610 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 21:25 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
I am asking the forum, the people who call for his sacking regularly and those that now realise that the issues they have been banging on about for years are still there today. God knows what you have been reading if you don’t think anyone has said they want him gone.
So If a managers management isn’t good enough and it’s a serious enough problem to attract the kind of abuse he gets and a problem that isn’t getting better, who do you believe is a better candidate then?
Surely you would want a manager that has an acceptable level of management as his list of skills. Right?
Or on the flip side, if you do actually realise that Cooper is the best manager for the job, thus being unable to name a better replacement - then maybe you should stop wasting everybody's time by slagging him off every time something doesn’t go your way.
Accept his management or dont, but it’s clearly not going to change. Which is a good thing, as the league table shows. [Post edited 28 Jan 2021 21:30]
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You are using verbal diarrhea and just repeating the same non arguments, when a manager is making the same mistakes as identified by knowledgeable fans, commentators and pundits for over 12 months we can be expected to complain about that part of his management.
If you don't like it then tough.
It is what football forums are all about. |  | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:11 - Jan 28 with 602 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 21:41 - Jan 28 by swancity |
What aspects of his “ game management “ are you so unhappy with ?
Is it the use of subs? As I don’t see a problem personally.
Otherwise he’s doing an awesome job all things considered
Ps Mourinho & Guardiola make mistakes occasionally. Mainly with the benefit of hindsight so not really mistakes then are they ? |
Indeed. Lots of slagging him off for various aspects of his management, key aspects too, not small things.
...Yet not one single name as to who would be better. I think people need to make their minds up. Is he a manager with serious flaws that don’t appear to be improving or is he the best manager we could currently hope for? It can’t be both.
If we can do better then let’s get someone better. But at the moment it’s like Barca fans slagging off Messi horrifically, getting very abusive and personal because “he could be taller”. Seems rather pointless because there is no better alternative and Messi even lacking in some attributes is still resoundingly successful for them. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:19 - Jan 28 with 596 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:06 - Jan 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
You are using verbal diarrhea and just repeating the same non arguments, when a manager is making the same mistakes as identified by knowledgeable fans, commentators and pundits for over 12 months we can be expected to complain about that part of his management.
If you don't like it then tough.
It is what football forums are all about. |
If you are going to use words to try and insult someone, at least make sure you don’t make a pig’s ear out of the spelling.
As for the topic. Again, if the manager is making horrendous mistakes as recognised by all as you claim, and they aren’t being rectified or learned from... then isn’t it better to get someone who will be better at those aspects?
That’s not a non argument, that’s a pretty obvious point to make. He is good enough or he isn’t, which one is it? If we can improve on him then let’s hear some names. But moaning about the same things when they clearly aren’t going to be changed (presumably because he thinks you are wrong) is like Groundhog Day.
Accept him, including key philosophies regarding management or don’t. But then at least offer an alternative. Currently you are just bumping your gums and taking up reading space. [Post edited 28 Jan 2021 22:26]
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:25 - Jan 28 with 588 views | swancity |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 21:58 - Jan 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
Not using subs properly, no plan b when it is going wrong and not subbing Naughton when he was in obvious danger of getting a red card. |
Disagree
Re use of subs ... when we’ve started games poorly eg Derby and Boro away he was quick to change things. Otherwise he doesn’t like to make subs for the sake of it.
No plan B ? That’s a myth. Again he’s happy to switch things if we need to. Including a change of formation although let’s be fair it’s working so well there’s hardly any need
Naughton : obvious danger of getting a red card ?? Come on now you can’t blame the manager for that, your inventing things. Naughton and only Naughton have to take 100% of the responsibility for his red card. He’s vastly experienced and in consideration of where that 2nd foul took place on the pitch Naughton was incredibly stupid. He’s done well for us but that was awful. But it’s plain wrong to blame the manager there.
Get my point? You’re clutching at ( non existent ) straws to swipe at the manager. Onehunglow does it constantly and it’s not amusing. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:52 - Jan 28 with 579 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:25 - Jan 28 by swancity |
Disagree
Re use of subs ... when we’ve started games poorly eg Derby and Boro away he was quick to change things. Otherwise he doesn’t like to make subs for the sake of it.
No plan B ? That’s a myth. Again he’s happy to switch things if we need to. Including a change of formation although let’s be fair it’s working so well there’s hardly any need
Naughton : obvious danger of getting a red card ?? Come on now you can’t blame the manager for that, your inventing things. Naughton and only Naughton have to take 100% of the responsibility for his red card. He’s vastly experienced and in consideration of where that 2nd foul took place on the pitch Naughton was incredibly stupid. He’s done well for us but that was awful. But it’s plain wrong to blame the manager there.
Get my point? You’re clutching at ( non existent ) straws to swipe at the manager. Onehunglow does it constantly and it’s not amusing. |
Stop making excuses for the manager.
He "manages" the game and the players.
Are you saying that watching that game that it was not obvious that Naughton would be a liability in the second half? | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:01 - Jan 28 with 575 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:19 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
If you are going to use words to try and insult someone, at least make sure you don’t make a pig’s ear out of the spelling.
As for the topic. Again, if the manager is making horrendous mistakes as recognised by all as you claim, and they aren’t being rectified or learned from... then isn’t it better to get someone who will be better at those aspects?
That’s not a non argument, that’s a pretty obvious point to make. He is good enough or he isn’t, which one is it? If we can improve on him then let’s hear some names. But moaning about the same things when they clearly aren’t going to be changed (presumably because he thinks you are wrong) is like Groundhog Day.
Accept him, including key philosophies regarding management or don’t. But then at least offer an alternative. Currently you are just bumping your gums and taking up reading space. [Post edited 28 Jan 2021 22:26]
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I suggest that before accusing someone of not being able to spell, that you check a medical dictionary.
It has two spellings, with and without the "o". | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:04 - Jan 28 with 571 views | swancity |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:52 - Jan 28 by A_Fans_Dad |
Stop making excuses for the manager.
He "manages" the game and the players.
Are you saying that watching that game that it was not obvious that Naughton would be a liability in the second half? |
He manages the game and the players. Yes of course he does and is doing it brilliantly. Have a look at the League Table. Have a look at the transfer balance sheet since he’s been here.
Regarding Naughton, although he’d had a yellow card, he certainly wasn’t a liability. He is vastly experienced and I’d have trusted him to stay on that pitch last night. That was an uncharacteristic moment of stupidity from the player.
Instead of trying to find things to be critical about, embrace what is being achieved and enjoy it. There’s much to be happy about. So much. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:15 - Jan 28 with 561 views | Treforys_Jack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:04 - Jan 28 by swancity |
He manages the game and the players. Yes of course he does and is doing it brilliantly. Have a look at the League Table. Have a look at the transfer balance sheet since he’s been here.
Regarding Naughton, although he’d had a yellow card, he certainly wasn’t a liability. He is vastly experienced and I’d have trusted him to stay on that pitch last night. That was an uncharacteristic moment of stupidity from the player.
Instead of trying to find things to be critical about, embrace what is being achieved and enjoy it. There’s much to be happy about. So much. |
Nice post sir. |  | | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:22 - Jan 28 with 557 views | madridjack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 10:04 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
It’s nothing to do with lack of ambition, it’s knowing where you stand in the football league. It’s realism. Pretending we should be beating and dominating teams like Brentford who are 18 unbeaten is just silly. Then pretending that is down to the manager, the manager who has guided us to this position against all odds - is even sillier. That’s not unwarranted praise or acceptance of second best, it’s the reality of the situation and the fact we have done incredibly well this season to be where we are.
Should we pull the trigger and get someone else in you reckon? (I’m actually laughing typing that due to how ridiculous it is).
Who do you suggest by the way? Any ideas? |
What rubbish, Cooper should have said we are second because we deserve to be here, we have played well recently, we are confident don’t concede so get out there and dominate the game , get in there faces. Judging by the performance He probably said look we are second by luck punching above our weight, Brentford are 18 games unbeaten so you are going struggle to contain them. Just don’t concede and we have a point.
This isn’t a go at Cooper but he has to admit he got the tactics wrong for this one game.
Let’s hope he learns and gets it right for the rest of the season and we will all be happy. | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:33 - Jan 28 with 544 views | madridjack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 15:35 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
What emotion are you talking about? There is no emotion in being 2nd, it’s a fact. There is no emotion in them being 18 unbeaten, it’s a fact. There is no emotion in him being a resounding success here, it’s a fact. There is no emotion in these players being here because of him, they are facts.
Sorry, I am not for one second jumping on this idiotic bandwagon. It’s as barmy as Qanon.
Who is a realistic choice that will do better than Cooper and take us to the top spot? Which of course would be bettering where we are now. It seems some are unhappy so it’s a great place to start the conversation, if he ain’t good enough - then who is?
If there is nobody that could assemble such a squad and guide us to better in the league then he is the best possible manager we could currently have. Which means any faults of his you deem to be there is a blessing, because if they weren’t then he wouldn’t be our manager and be managing higher up and we will then have to settle for the next best.
Expecting (key word) perfect performances from anybody at Swansea in the second tier is barmy. [Post edited 28 Jan 2021 15:42]
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Your missing the point, we are not saying get rid of Cooper, there is a good manager there BUT he is not learning from his mistakes, I would rather him try something then just let the game drift away. | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:38 - Jan 28 with 541 views | madridjack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 17:17 - Jan 28 by onehunglow |
It's one thing to love your team and support the lads but Jesus-Brentford utterly trashed us but their finishing was appalling and that is the main positive we can take out of that,because if we have people who enjoyed that then we are truly screwed.
Expect failure and it will come.
My God, just how low our standards have fallen in just 5 yrs.
If we play anything like that against Citeh on national TV it will prove shockingly embarrassing. |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:47 - Jan 28 with 538 views | madridjack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 19:32 - Jan 28 by Neath_Jack |
Fantastic OP.
Brentford were better than us last night, no amount of "game management" would have changed anything.
There was nothing on the bench that would have changed the game. Please don't say Naughton should have gone off after his yellow, that is just pure hindsight nonsense.
We go again. |
Game management can never be certain but Brentford were dominating us , so if you change tactics or players then maybe the game changes, if you don’t try you won’t know, plenty players on bench who could have changed things, Bennett, Garrick, Morris and Dhanda !!! | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:48 - Jan 28 with 538 views | madridjack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 20:46 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Have you decided if you think we should sack him yet? And who you want to replace him with? |
Your like a broken record | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:51 - Jan 28 with 538 views | madridjack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 21:25 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
I am asking the forum, the people who call for his sacking regularly and those that now realise that the issues they have been banging on about for years are still there today. God knows what you have been reading if you don’t think anyone has said they want him gone.
So If a managers management isn’t good enough and it’s a serious enough problem to attract the kind of abuse he gets and a problem that isn’t getting better, who do you believe is a better candidate then?
Surely you would want a manager that has an acceptable level of management as his list of skills. Right?
Or on the flip side, if you do actually realise that Cooper is the best manager for the job, thus being unable to name a better replacement - then maybe you should stop wasting everybody's time by slagging him off every time something doesn’t go your way.
Accept his management or dont, but it’s clearly not going to change. Which is a good thing, as the league table shows. [Post edited 28 Jan 2021 21:30]
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Every manger can do better, if ask Kloop or Guardiola they will say they can improve | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:56 - Jan 28 with 530 views | madridjack |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 22:11 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Indeed. Lots of slagging him off for various aspects of his management, key aspects too, not small things.
...Yet not one single name as to who would be better. I think people need to make their minds up. Is he a manager with serious flaws that don’t appear to be improving or is he the best manager we could currently hope for? It can’t be both.
If we can do better then let’s get someone better. But at the moment it’s like Barca fans slagging off Messi horrifically, getting very abusive and personal because “he could be taller”. Seems rather pointless because there is no better alternative and Messi even lacking in some attributes is still resoundingly successful for them. |
He is the best manager than we can hope for but that doesn’t mean we can’t have an opinion on his game management | | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 01:33 - Jan 29 with 504 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:22 - Jan 28 by madridjack |
What rubbish, Cooper should have said we are second because we deserve to be here, we have played well recently, we are confident don’t concede so get out there and dominate the game , get in there faces. Judging by the performance He probably said look we are second by luck punching above our weight, Brentford are 18 games unbeaten so you are going struggle to contain them. Just don’t concede and we have a point.
This isn’t a go at Cooper but he has to admit he got the tactics wrong for this one game.
Let’s hope he learns and gets it right for the rest of the season and we will all be happy. |
This is a new one. So now you are guessing what he said to the players and having a go at him based on said made up conversation?
That’s beyond. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 01:39 - Jan 29 with 501 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:56 - Jan 28 by madridjack |
He is the best manager than we can hope for but that doesn’t mean we can’t have an opinion on his game management |
Having an opinion is one thing, abusing the man and attacking his character is completely another. Very few are giving an opinion on why they disagree. They are categorically saying he is wrong, has been wrong from the start, his management is bad and his philosophy is incorrect. That’s not a simple decision, that is like saying a strikers shooting and heading and positioning is bad - it’s pretty catastrophic.
So surely if key aspects of a manager are so poor they can be bettered by football forum users, then that’s a pretty scary thought. No?
So how come he is the best we can hope for yet has such glaring and gaping errors that can be bettered by Joe blogs on the internet then?
I hope people realise how stupid they sound. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 01:47 - Jan 29 with 498 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:51 - Jan 28 by madridjack |
Every manger can do better, if ask Kloop or Guardiola they will say they can improve |
Every person on the planet can improve on something. That isn’t the issue or what is being discussed.
These are the fundamentals, this is his character and this is his ability. Criticising a managers management is terminal, especially when those people clearly state that it’s not improving after approaching 2 years.
He has his view on the subs and how to approach games from his experience. Winning trophies and managing the best kids in the country to World Cup success, not to mention taking us to an unlikely play off place and now an automatic spot.
These aren’t errors, he didn’t forget to not bring anyone one when these morons wanted him to, he didn’t make a mistake. It’s an intentional management style. Now you either accept and trust that considering you admit he is the best manager we could hope for - or you can continue to bleat game after game while we wave at you from our league position.
The latter however is extremely futile and even more bizarre considering you openly admit there is not a single manager who could do better that we could realistically get. Suck it up is my advice, he thinks you are wrong and I agree with him. He is an expert in this field, are you? | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 01:50 - Jan 29 with 497 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 23:48 - Jan 28 by madridjack |
Your like a broken record |
Good, that’s the intention.
It’s very easy to make these comments regarding our manager. A lot harder to qualify them by giving a viable alternative.
By simply asking one of these people who they would prefer at the helm instantly exposes their nonsense for just that. They have nothing. Their intentions are to moan, criticise and berate. It’s an ugly trait and sadly we seem to have more than our fair share of people willing us to give them any excuse to slag off people doing great things for this club. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 09:36 - Jan 29 with 454 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 01:50 - Jan 29 by Dr_Parnassus |
Good, that’s the intention.
It’s very easy to make these comments regarding our manager. A lot harder to qualify them by giving a viable alternative.
By simply asking one of these people who they would prefer at the helm instantly exposes their nonsense for just that. They have nothing. Their intentions are to moan, criticise and berate. It’s an ugly trait and sadly we seem to have more than our fair share of people willing us to give them any excuse to slag off people doing great things for this club. |
Who has actually said Cooper should be sacked though? |  | | |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 10:46 - Jan 29 with 438 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 09:36 - Jan 29 by 34dfgdf54 |
Who has actually said Cooper should be sacked though? |
Many posters over the last 18 months have wanted him sacked. I’ve read you say it multiple times for example Risc. There is an underlying presence waiting for any bump in the road and Cooper is the prime target.
God help if we don’t put Rotherham away, who will be a tricky opponent. The vultures will be circling make no mistake. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 11:10 - Jan 29 with 431 views | AndyCole |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 19:32 - Jan 28 by Neath_Jack |
Fantastic OP.
Brentford were better than us last night, no amount of "game management" would have changed anything.
There was nothing on the bench that would have changed the game. Please don't say Naughton should have gone off after his yellow, that is just pure hindsight nonsense.
We go again. |
Totally agree. The players didn't deliver how they normally do. Slow off the mark, against a very strong Brentford who were out of the blocks and didn't relent.
The management team didn't not deliver. They didn't set us up to play on the backfoot. The players did that, and yet recovered.
As the OP says, some choose to lash out irrationally at our manager at the first chink of weakness in our team's performance.
Doesn't make sense, given where we are and how got here. | |
| Pro free speech and alternative opinions -
Anti gang-bullying and poor modding thereof -
Will always make a stand against those who consistently choose to turn a blind eye |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 11:17 - Jan 29 with 428 views | onehunglow |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 17:21 - Jan 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
Do you reckon we should sack him then?
Who do you think we should bring in and why? |
I am not employed by the club and don't have access to the availability of managers nor do I have the means to employ him but I'll indulge you as your ego needs reigning in but don't worry a it happens o the best of us,even me.
IF I WERE CHAIRMAN/OWNER.
I would most certainly be looking around because if we were to go up,we would most certainly be annihilated with super Steve in charge.PL managers would tear him apart.
Who? -no idea as don't know who is available nor what budget is.
If people people Steve is the messiah they are dumber than I thought.
FWIQ Champ,I think Brentford will go up and keep Franks as he ha a plan and a structure.Hell,he probably even brings players in he really really wants. | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 11:19 - Jan 29 with 428 views | onehunglow |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 17:56 - Jan 28 by Gwyn737 |
And just to flip it, how many championship clubs are looking at his record over the last two seasons and would love him to walk through to the door?
Good majority I reckon. |
I reckon many manager know exactly how to set up their team when faced with Steve.
They will know they can expect no change in tactics as the game progresses | |
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| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 11:20 - Jan 29 with 428 views | onehunglow |
| Are we not even waiting for defeats anymore? on 19:32 - Jan 28 by Neath_Jack |
Fantastic OP.
Brentford were better than us last night, no amount of "game management" would have changed anything.
There was nothing on the bench that would have changed the game. Please don't say Naughton should have gone off after his yellow, that is just pure hindsight nonsense.
We go again. |
Fantastic is the sun setting over a pacific island is,or a new born baby,fresh Egyptian cotton sheets,the smile of a baby not this cringing drivel | |
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