| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY 14:49 - May 23 with 17741 views | carrotcrunch_R |
For extreme Crimes like those 2 insane nutters that brutally murdered an innocent British soldiers and that scum Ian Huntley be free too add to this list who you think deserves to be terminated or do you disagree and think they deserve to live and be pampered by the state . Over to you lfw posters you are now the jury. |  | | |  |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 17:29 - May 23 with 1661 views | AgedR |
If anyone can truly and honestly say they trust the state in any country, that must be your starting point.
If you do, good luck to you.
But, if you don't, how can you sanction it to carry out state murder, because, however we like to justify it, that is what the death penalty is.
One thing that all non developed, uncivilised and extreme ideologies share is their base reasoning of an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. This was the motivation of the murderous extremists yesterday.
Surely, the stare sponsored atrocity that we have witnessed and continue to witness teaches us something? |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 17:47 - May 23 with 1646 views | amhoop |
they would simply turn into 'martyrs'.
"To take a life when a life has been lost is revenge, not justice"
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:12 - May 23 with 1628 views | TheBlob |
Use them for experimental drugs and medical procedures.Rather them than animals. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:20 - May 23 with 1621 views | carrotcrunch_R |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:12 - May 23 by TheBlob |
Use them for experimental drugs and medical procedures.Rather them than animals. |
I like that suggestion blob . | | | |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:39 - May 23 with 1613 views | derbyhoop |
Not for me.
1) Death penalty is not a deterrent
2) The prospect of a death penalty is more likely to introduce more doubt into a jury
3) If killing is so heinous, why is it OK for the state to do it?
4) If we decide that the death penalty is suitable for some crimes, how do you decide which ones
5) 2 nutters kill so they can be martyred. The best punishment is not to martyr them but lock them up for the rest of their life. I'm sure fellow inmates will find other ways of dishing out punishments. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:48 - May 23 with 1605 views | cheeseydane |
What peeeesees me off, is we are too soft on crime.
The guilty party derserves to suffer the same as his victim(s) before death. None of his quick jab business.
Would a potential arsonist think twice before commiting his crime, knowing he would be burnt to death if caught?
I think yes.
Totally barbaric and medieval i know, but i reckon it would work. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:53 - May 23 with 1596 views | WanderR |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:48 - May 23 by cheeseydane |
What peeeesees me off, is we are too soft on crime.
The guilty party derserves to suffer the same as his victim(s) before death. None of his quick jab business.
Would a potential arsonist think twice before commiting his crime, knowing he would be burnt to death if caught?
I think yes.
Totally barbaric and medieval i know, but i reckon it would work. |
I think those two murderers would be over the moon if that happened. In Islam, it's called 'Qisas' and it's a central tenet of Sharia law as practised in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:54 - May 23 with 1595 views | Sudbury_Hill_R |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 16:54 - May 23 by KernowRanger |
What about people wrongly imprisoned like the Guildford Four and Maguire Seven who were only found to have been wrongly convicted about 15 years after, despite it initially having looked clear cut. There's always the potential for mistakes. |
What about the Renault 5. Surely that should be considered? |  | | |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 19:02 - May 23 with 1588 views | baz_qpr |
The irony is "eye for an eye" is exactly what these sick bastards quoted. Never been able to get my head around the hypocrisy of murdering someone for murdering someone. |  | | |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 19:03 - May 23 with 1586 views | carrotcrunch_R |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:39 - May 23 by derbyhoop |
Not for me.
1) Death penalty is not a deterrent
2) The prospect of a death penalty is more likely to introduce more doubt into a jury
3) If killing is so heinous, why is it OK for the state to do it?
4) If we decide that the death penalty is suitable for some crimes, how do you decide which ones
5) 2 nutters kill so they can be martyred. The best punishment is not to martyr them but lock them up for the rest of their life. I'm sure fellow inmates will find other ways of dishing out punishments. |
Not for me.
1) Death penalty is not a deterrent - yes it is
2) The prospect of a death penalty is more likely to introduce more doubt into a jury - no it won't
3) If killing is so heinous, why is it OK for the state to do it? - to right the wronged
4) If we decide that the death penalty is suitable for some crimes, how do you decide which ones - easy the extreme ones like this 100 per cent proof
5) 2 nutters kill so they can be martyred. The best punishment is not to martyr them but lock them up for the rest of their life. I'm sure fellow inmates will find other ways of dishing out punishments. -
Not to popular belief they will be only martyrs too the extreme few not to the masses like everyone thinks most Muslims would probably say that they are cowards and have tarnished there religion . If others decide to go down this route it has then already been shown it will not be tolerated. | | | |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 19:10 - May 23 with 1578 views | cheeseydane |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:53 - May 23 by WanderR |
I think those two murderers would be over the moon if that happened. In Islam, it's called 'Qisas' and it's a central tenet of Sharia law as practised in places like Saudi Arabia and Iran. |
I dont buy that.
Anyone, extreme terrioists, happygolucky burglars, rapists whatever know the system in the western world and are happy to take advantage knowing the worst that can happen is they get fed for the next 10 years plus, probaly a chance of learning, and even meals suited to their particular religion/taste. Many of there's live standard is sometimes so bad, they probaly welcome it.
Justice sucks in the 21st century. Im just waiting for Buck Rogers coz he dont fk around.
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 19:48 - May 23 with 1560 views | DylanP |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 15:25 - May 23 by wombat |
how is it impossible to change rules with the justice system its done all the time we new penaltys being introduced for crimes
its simple all terrorist acts succesfull or not death penalty 5 years to appeal then a needle in the arm
Child murders once again 5 years in jail to allow for any appeals then needle in the arm.
ways of proving guilt and innocence are improving every year wrongful imprisonments etc are rare these days.
wont stop terrorists your right there but why should we pay god knows who much to keep them in jail for the rest of there lives and allow them probably to infect others who might one day be allowed out to do the same thing
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I didn't say it was impossible to change the rules. I said it was impossible to craft a rule (law) that did what he wanted done. Because life is never as simple as black and white.
1. You can't have a time-limit on appeals. What happens if the appeals aren't finished after 5 years? Are you changing the rules halfway through the process? What if new evidence comes to light 4 years and 11 months after conviction? Are you going to execute someone because there isn't enough time to organize a re-trial? If you have a time-limit on appeals, you end up with uneven justice, which is no justice at all.
2. If you create a law that says that if you are obviously guilty (plead guilty) then you can get the death penalty, then it also means, if you plead not-guilty you can't get the death penalty. Hence everyone pleads not guilty. And you have just created a self-defeating law.
3. You cannot create laws according to one-in-a-lifetime occurances. You have to create laws that can be used constantly. Nothing like this has ever happened before, and probably won't again in our lifetimes. Yes, this time the person was videoed covered in blood with the body at their feet, but next time the law is needed it won't be so clean cut. What is the point in creating a law that can only be used for an event that has already happened.
3. Only people who have no idea what prison is can think people are pampered in prison. Yes, minimum security prisons aren't so bad, but murderers don't go to minimum security prison. They go to maximum security prisons that are nasty-as-fck. 50 years in living hell is hardly pampered. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:30 - May 23 with 1532 views | derbyhoop |
1) Death penalty is not a deterrent - yes it is . TNumerous studies going back to when we had capital punishment show that there is no evidence that punishment acts as a deterrent.
2) The prospect of a death penalty is more likely to introduce more doubt into a jury - no it won't. I for one would want a stronger burden of proof if I knew the resulting sentence after a guilty verdict was execution.
3) If killing is so heinous, why is it OK for the state to do it? - to right the wronged . What's being righted? It's revenge pure and simple.
4) If we decide that the death penalty is suitable for some crimes, how do you decide which ones - easy the extreme ones like this 100 per cent proof. What is 100% proof. Is that more than beyond all reasonable doubt?
5) 2 nutters kill so they can be martyred. The best punishment is not to martyr them but lock them up for the rest of their life. I'm sure fellow inmates will find other ways of dishing out punishments. -
Not to popular belief they will be only martyrs too the extreme few not to the masses like everyone thinks most Muslims would probably say that they are cowards and have tarnished there religion . If others decide to go down this route it has then already been shown it will not be tolerated. However much the majority of the Muslim community abhor such crimes, there will be a few (thankfully very few) who will see it as justice. | |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:54 - May 23 with 1516 views | carrotcrunch_R |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:30 - May 23 by derbyhoop |
1) Death penalty is not a deterrent - yes it is . TNumerous studies going back to when we had capital punishment show that there is no evidence that punishment acts as a deterrent.
2) The prospect of a death penalty is more likely to introduce more doubt into a jury - no it won't. I for one would want a stronger burden of proof if I knew the resulting sentence after a guilty verdict was execution.
3) If killing is so heinous, why is it OK for the state to do it? - to right the wronged . What's being righted? It's revenge pure and simple.
4) If we decide that the death penalty is suitable for some crimes, how do you decide which ones - easy the extreme ones like this 100 per cent proof. What is 100% proof. Is that more than beyond all reasonable doubt?
5) 2 nutters kill so they can be martyred. The best punishment is not to martyr them but lock them up for the rest of their life. I'm sure fellow inmates will find other ways of dishing out punishments. -
Not to popular belief they will be only martyrs too the extreme few not to the masses like everyone thinks most Muslims would probably say that they are cowards and have tarnished there religion . If others decide to go down this route it has then already been shown it will not be tolerated. However much the majority of the Muslim community abhor such crimes, there will be a few (thankfully very few) who will see it as justice. |
1) Death penalty is not a deterrent - yes it is . TNumerous studies going back to when we had capital punishment show that there is no evidence that punishment acts as a deterrent. There is no evidence to suggest either way because there is no way of proving it but to me it makes no difference they choose to do what they done so deserve to condemned to death as far as I am concerned.
2) The prospect of a death penalty is more likely to introduce more doubt into a jury - no it won't. I for one would want a stronger burden of proof if I knew the resulting sentence after a guilty verdict was execution. I think there is enough technology around today to give us the concrete evidence needed
3) If killing is so heinous, why is it OK for the state to do it? - to right the wronged . What's being righted? It's revenge pure and simple. For who? The guy s family maybe and understandably so but for me it is about justice and showing a hard line to these crimes will not be tolerated
4) If we decide that the death penalty is suitable for some crimes, how do you decide which ones - easy the extreme ones like this 100 per cent proof. What is 100% proof. Is that more than beyond all reasonable doubt? Bloody hell it's on t.v blood on his hands with a carving knife ranting
5) 2 nutters kill so they can be martyred. The best punishment is not to martyr them but lock them up for the rest of their life. I'm sure fellow inmates will find other ways of dishing out punishments. -
Not to popular belief they will be only martyrs too the extreme few not to the masses like everyone thinks most Muslims would probably say that they are cowards and have tarnished there religion . If others decide to go down this route it has then already been shown it will not be tolerated. However much the majority of the Muslim community abhor such crimes, there will be a few (thankfully very few) who will see it as justice.
Keeping them alive is an injustice and an insult to the family of the bereaved argue against that | | | |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:59 - May 23 with 1514 views | easthertsr |
If the death penalty is such a great deterrent why do people still commit murders in countries that still have it? In fact, in many american states that have it, they have terrifying numbers of murders. | | | |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:02 - May 23 with 1508 views | Bedford_R |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:59 - May 23 by easthertsr |
If the death penalty is such a great deterrent why do people still commit murders in countries that still have it? In fact, in many american states that have it, they have terrifying numbers of murders. |
Because it is only a deterrent for people who would not commit murder anyway - no deterrent at all. Those that do commit murder either want to be martyrs or think that they won't get caught or don't think at all.. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:05 - May 23 with 1506 views | kensalriser |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:59 - May 23 by easthertsr |
If the death penalty is such a great deterrent why do people still commit murders in countries that still have it? In fact, in many american states that have it, they have terrifying numbers of murders. |
Really? I thought there were no murders at all in the US states that have capital punishment. Have never been able to figure out why there are so many on death row - death penalty being such an effective deterrent.
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:33 - May 23 with 1489 views | carrotcrunch_R |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:59 - May 23 by easthertsr |
If the death penalty is such a great deterrent why do people still commit murders in countries that still have it? In fact, in many american states that have it, they have terrifying numbers of murders. |
And do you not think the numbers could be higher if the death sentence was not in place? The numbers went up in the uk after 1949 btw | | | |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:36 - May 23 with 1483 views | AgedR |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:33 - May 23 by carrotcrunch_R |
And do you not think the numbers could be higher if the death sentence was not in place? The numbers went up in the uk after 1949 btw |
With the extraordinary rise in the population, or in real terms? | |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:41 - May 23 with 1476 views | Monahoop |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 20:59 - May 23 by easthertsr |
If the death penalty is such a great deterrent why do people still commit murders in countries that still have it? In fact, in many american states that have it, they have terrifying numbers of murders. |
Precisely.
For monsters like those two and their ilk, they should be locked up for good, stripped of all their rights, denied visits, slop out with their tongues, endure listening to Coldplay piped into their cells 24/7 and forced to watch Anne Widdecombe striptease videos. By God they'll repent. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:48 - May 23 with 1468 views | AgedR |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:41 - May 23 by Monahoop |
Precisely.
For monsters like those two and their ilk, they should be locked up for good, stripped of all their rights, denied visits, slop out with their tongues, endure listening to Coldplay piped into their cells 24/7 and forced to watch Anne Widdecombe striptease videos. By God they'll repent. |
"Coldplay piped in to their cells 24/7..."
Are you listening QPR, are you listening? | |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 22:15 - May 23 with 1450 views | ted_hendrix |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 21:41 - May 23 by Monahoop |
Precisely.
For monsters like those two and their ilk, they should be locked up for good, stripped of all their rights, denied visits, slop out with their tongues, endure listening to Coldplay piped into their cells 24/7 and forced to watch Anne Widdecombe striptease videos. By God they'll repent. |
*forced to watch Anne Widdecombe striptease videos.*
Sounds good to me. |  |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 22:32 - May 23 with 2052 views | TheBlob |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 18:54 - May 23 by Sudbury_Hill_R |
What about the Renault 5. Surely that should be considered? |
Whoever designed that one deserves to die.Have you ever changed a clutch on one of them f*ckers?Always some poxy hidden bolt on the bell housing that some idiot thought would be amusing.And the odd left handed thread..... | |
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| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 22:38 - May 23 with 2050 views | hamptonhillhoop |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 15:32 - May 23 by QPunkR |
I'd add people who don't have the first clue when to use "there", "their" and "they're" |
+1
Their idiots |  | | |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 22:40 - May 23 with 2039 views | loftboy |
| BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY on 22:15 - May 23 by ted_hendrix |
*forced to watch Anne Widdecombe striptease videos.*
Sounds good to me. |
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