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Looks suspiciously like a 433.. with White as captain.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 05:13 - Aug 31 with 3718 viewsrichfoad32

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 22:32 - Aug 30 by dingdangblue

Noticed Dos Santos came on late in the game aged 15!
Whatever happened to Peter Thomas? Is he still at Dale?


Very small sample size but I was impressed with Dos Santos when he came on, didn't seem phased at all.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 10:04 - Aug 31 with 3287 viewsDaleiLama

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 05:13 - Aug 31 by richfoad32

Very small sample size but I was impressed with Dos Santos when he came on, didn't seem phased at all.



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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 22:32 - Aug 30 by dingdangblue

Noticed Dos Santos came on late in the game aged 15!
Whatever happened to Peter Thomas? Is he still at Dale?


No

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:04 - Aug 31 with 2957 viewsD_Alien



Don't normally post these. I'd stopped listening to the previous manager (probably the players had too). I think they'll find JB rather more difficult to ignore!

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:09 - Aug 31 with 2935 viewssamueloneils

What an amazing improvement. Early days but........
Played against a good solid team and matched them for 95 minutes.

The difference- playing Brierley and Malley in midfield.

Energy and skills and attacking approach. Brierley well capable of sustaining it and Malley is a real find.

Serious suggestion-

I am no James Ball fan and his reaction to the travelling fans was childish when he scored.
BUT- how about playing him up front alongside Rodney? Ball seems intent on scoring goals and his midfield play is abysmal. I think it might work.

Remember when Ricky Lambert joined as a wide midfielder. Who knows- maybe not England but Ball might do a job.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:16 - Aug 31 with 2900 viewsBucketBstard

Seems like an immediate impact from JB. I wasnt too enthused by his appointment but if he proves me wrong , brilliant I will be the first to congratulate him. He has a hell of a job on his hands , but seems to be coping with assessments so far.
It is good to hear the Dale scoring 3 goals , that for a start is an improvement. It should give the players a lift as well. So we lost on penanlties to a team in a higher division, no shame in that at all. Pens are a lottery.
I doubt JB has much wiggle room in the short space of time before transfer deadline, but if we can keep in touch with the other clubs around us , maybe he will have a better idea come January.
Bit disappointed to hear about Ball's attitude. No need for petulance. Celebrate with the fans we have suffered a lot over the past 2 years . Like all football fans we can appreciate effort and commitment to the club . Ability can be compensated in this division by simple application to the job. So maybe Ball was upset but why not get the fans back on side . Looks like we are stuck with each other for a while at least LOL
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:42 - Aug 31 with 2807 viewsjonahwhereru

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 23:05 - Aug 30 by 442Dale



Bentley mentions the youth system here. Puts to bed some stuff posted on Twitter, not sure why outsiders think we consistently bring players through anyway. Brierley is the first since Matheson who wasn’t exactly playing every week, it’s probably no more or less than most clubs. There’s no doubt the work done by the academy has been excellent down the years, but on the pitch some of those players we’ve sold - Matheson, Adshead - haven’t been regulars on the team sheet. Morley was the last who was, and even he only came back into the side under BBM.

There’s no reason why Bentley won’t use players if they’re good enough, as shown tonight.


Callum Camps was vey much a regular at Fleetwood, as is the case a Stockport. Plus what you sell them for is not the sole criteria of success. Additionally the number of games we get out of them before they move on is also important. In that regard we have done well out of Tanser, Cannon, Camps, Allen and Morley.
When you sell to a premier league club it is harsh to judge players on how many games they played subsequently. Adshead has only this season landed at a club commensurate with his ability.
We should not have an expectation to produce a first teamer out of most academy years. That is unrealistic at this level and with our geographical location. We can only try and sell ourselves as a good nursery, which we do. There are plenty of players we produced we get paid to play at lower levels.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:54 - Aug 31 with 2732 viewsDaleiLama

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:04 - Aug 31 by D_Alien



Don't normally post these. I'd stopped listening to the previous manager (probably the players had too). I think they'll find JB rather more difficult to ignore!


Plenty of pegs to hang our hopes on so far from EBJ from both of his interviews and what he got out of the players last night. Very early days yet, but I also stopped listening to BBM and RS, whereas EBJ seems to command attention in a direct way not dissimilar to Big Sam.

The thing that mainly struck me thinking back to last night (first impressions) is he isn't afraid to drop players, move them around, make big decisions and generally adjust if something doesn't seem to be working. There was a feeling, that increased as the game went on, that a draw wasn't enough, in stark contrast to previous regimes where it seemed like that was the target and we frequently fell short of it.

If we have a flexible approach to starting XI, formations and playing time, we might just create a meritocracy where players fight for their place and for a result.

How good would that be?

Edit: I could also see Hendo thriving in such an environment too.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 13:14 - Aug 31 with 2664 viewsTalkingSutty

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:42 - Aug 31 by jonahwhereru

Callum Camps was vey much a regular at Fleetwood, as is the case a Stockport. Plus what you sell them for is not the sole criteria of success. Additionally the number of games we get out of them before they move on is also important. In that regard we have done well out of Tanser, Cannon, Camps, Allen and Morley.
When you sell to a premier league club it is harsh to judge players on how many games they played subsequently. Adshead has only this season landed at a club commensurate with his ability.
We should not have an expectation to produce a first teamer out of most academy years. That is unrealistic at this level and with our geographical location. We can only try and sell ourselves as a good nursery, which we do. There are plenty of players we produced we get paid to play at lower levels.


I haven't a clue what the answer to this will be but i'll still ask the question because somebody might know and as a fan owned club i think it's important.

Regarding the academy...When you look over the last 10 years would it be fair to say that it has been cost effective or not when you look at the players that have come through, their impact and longevity and the transfer fees received? If it equates to on average of one player every year making the transition from the academy then does that make it a success for our club and is that value for money? Are we getting full value for academy players when we sell them and how much does it cost to run and staff the academy every season? Would it not be easier to let clubs further up the food chain put in the hard yards when it comes to developing the cream of the crop and then look at recruiting from their annual released list rather than striving to do that ourselves?

As a fan owned club i'm sure those in the Boardroom will be looking at every financial outlay within the club and asking themselves if we are getting value for money or could we achieve the same result by using a different method and save money in the process. The same thought process could also be used in relation to having our own training complex and costs associated with that. Is it more cost effective to actually rent a training ground for the required hours and not worry about the maintenance/Staffing and day to day costs involved?

In a ideal world with money no object it would be great to keep both in house but i often wonder if they are really affordable at our level, even more so when you look at our poor home attendances.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 13:27 - Aug 31 with 2604 views442Dale

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 12:42 - Aug 31 by jonahwhereru

Callum Camps was vey much a regular at Fleetwood, as is the case a Stockport. Plus what you sell them for is not the sole criteria of success. Additionally the number of games we get out of them before they move on is also important. In that regard we have done well out of Tanser, Cannon, Camps, Allen and Morley.
When you sell to a premier league club it is harsh to judge players on how many games they played subsequently. Adshead has only this season landed at a club commensurate with his ability.
We should not have an expectation to produce a first teamer out of most academy years. That is unrealistic at this level and with our geographical location. We can only try and sell ourselves as a good nursery, which we do. There are plenty of players we produced we get paid to play at lower levels.


Yeah, the academy benefits the club in different ways which was sort of my point. The recent years show the academy isn’t producing loads of players for the first team, therefore not sure why anyone would say any manager needs to do this with our academy. They’ll play if they are good enough, which is clearly how Bentley sees it too.

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 13:28 - Aug 31 with 2606 viewsjonahwhereru

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 13:14 - Aug 31 by TalkingSutty

I haven't a clue what the answer to this will be but i'll still ask the question because somebody might know and as a fan owned club i think it's important.

Regarding the academy...When you look over the last 10 years would it be fair to say that it has been cost effective or not when you look at the players that have come through, their impact and longevity and the transfer fees received? If it equates to on average of one player every year making the transition from the academy then does that make it a success for our club and is that value for money? Are we getting full value for academy players when we sell them and how much does it cost to run and staff the academy every season? Would it not be easier to let clubs further up the food chain put in the hard yards when it comes to developing the cream of the crop and then look at recruiting from their annual released list rather than striving to do that ourselves?

As a fan owned club i'm sure those in the Boardroom will be looking at every financial outlay within the club and asking themselves if we are getting value for money or could we achieve the same result by using a different method and save money in the process. The same thought process could also be used in relation to having our own training complex and costs associated with that. Is it more cost effective to actually rent a training ground for the required hours and not worry about the maintenance/Staffing and day to day costs involved?

In a ideal world with money no object it would be great to keep both in house but i often wonder if they are really affordable at our level, even more so when you look at our poor home attendances.
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And that TS is the conundrum. Numerous lower league clubs have or are looking to ditch academy’s and just pick up youngsters released by other clubs. You can see why the business model has it’s attractions. Gilks, Buckley and Baah are examples of players who came to us late in scouting terms, but we made good money from them. Judged alongside the 14 year old who we developed and went to United a couple of seasons ago it is a well balanced debate.
Me I am emotionally tied to the academy route, but there is a strong case for going in the other direction.
Thanks for post.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 13:38 - Aug 31 with 2563 viewsTalkingSutty

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 13:28 - Aug 31 by jonahwhereru

And that TS is the conundrum. Numerous lower league clubs have or are looking to ditch academy’s and just pick up youngsters released by other clubs. You can see why the business model has it’s attractions. Gilks, Buckley and Baah are examples of players who came to us late in scouting terms, but we made good money from them. Judged alongside the 14 year old who we developed and went to United a couple of seasons ago it is a well balanced debate.
Me I am emotionally tied to the academy route, but there is a strong case for going in the other direction.
Thanks for post.


No problem, i know it sounds a bit harsh but i tend to take the emotion out of it and try to think what's best financially for the club, i've had quite a few heated discussions in the past on the same subject. I don't have the answer because i don't know the costs involved in running the academy or the amount received in transfer fees down the years. I think the Club might receive funding towards the academy but i don't know how much. Thankfully we now have proper people in place who can look at all of this, which gives us all peace of mind.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 14:39 - Aug 31 with 2372 viewsD_Alien

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 13:38 - Aug 31 by TalkingSutty

No problem, i know it sounds a bit harsh but i tend to take the emotion out of it and try to think what's best financially for the club, i've had quite a few heated discussions in the past on the same subject. I don't have the answer because i don't know the costs involved in running the academy or the amount received in transfer fees down the years. I think the Club might receive funding towards the academy but i don't know how much. Thankfully we now have proper people in place who can look at all of this, which gives us all peace of mind.


Another aspect to consider though, is how much having an academy impacts upon our claim to be a community club. Having local lads able to come through the ranks and either make it or not gives the club a major profile when we're outreaching to schools and when parents bring their kids to games to get them interested

So in a way, that's like putting the emotion back in. I'm not sure how much emotion can be taken out without throwing the baby (or youths) out with the bathwater

That's not to say i don't understand where you're coming from, i do; the financial aspect is a huge consideration. I'm just saying there are other aspects to whether it's "worth it" than producing first-teamers and selling them on

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 14:39 - Aug 31 by D_Alien

Another aspect to consider though, is how much having an academy impacts upon our claim to be a community club. Having local lads able to come through the ranks and either make it or not gives the club a major profile when we're outreaching to schools and when parents bring their kids to games to get them interested

So in a way, that's like putting the emotion back in. I'm not sure how much emotion can be taken out without throwing the baby (or youths) out with the bathwater

That's not to say i don't understand where you're coming from, i do; the financial aspect is a huge consideration. I'm just saying there are other aspects to whether it's "worth it" than producing first-teamers and selling them on

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As I read through this thread, this is exactly what I was thinking.

As TS said, the Directors will know the cost pretty well. The cost-benefit analysis has to take into account all factors, not just first team balancing of the books.

Edit: A view from one academy graduate who was later joined on the pitch by another.



2nd edit: Sometimes being a ball boy can be tough!

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 14:39 - Aug 31 by D_Alien

Another aspect to consider though, is how much having an academy impacts upon our claim to be a community club. Having local lads able to come through the ranks and either make it or not gives the club a major profile when we're outreaching to schools and when parents bring their kids to games to get them interested

So in a way, that's like putting the emotion back in. I'm not sure how much emotion can be taken out without throwing the baby (or youths) out with the bathwater

That's not to say i don't understand where you're coming from, i do; the financial aspect is a huge consideration. I'm just saying there are other aspects to whether it's "worth it" than producing first-teamers and selling them on

[Post edited 31 Aug 2022 14:41]


Yes, i get that argument but then there is another side to the coin, apart from the 2500 hardy souls who support the club with their hard earned cash what do the community of Rochdale actually do for the Club, what have they ever done? If the answer is very little then is it fair that the club are expected to invest the fans money into the community and run the risk of putting the club at financial risk?

The council could fund our academy or at least a large chunk of it but they don't. Our priority as a club is putting our strongest team on the pitch and winning games and to do that we need every bit of spare money to fund it, if we don't get results on the pitch it impacts on every single area of the club. When we have crowds of 2000 i'm not sure we can afford to become emotional about looking after the local community by funding an academy, we shouldn't feel guilty about it neither if we don't have the finances. As i said previously, in a ideal world this wouldn't even be up for discussion.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 17:43 - Aug 31 with 1885 views442Dale

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 16:54 - Aug 31 by TalkingSutty

Yes, i get that argument but then there is another side to the coin, apart from the 2500 hardy souls who support the club with their hard earned cash what do the community of Rochdale actually do for the Club, what have they ever done? If the answer is very little then is it fair that the club are expected to invest the fans money into the community and run the risk of putting the club at financial risk?

The council could fund our academy or at least a large chunk of it but they don't. Our priority as a club is putting our strongest team on the pitch and winning games and to do that we need every bit of spare money to fund it, if we don't get results on the pitch it impacts on every single area of the club. When we have crowds of 2000 i'm not sure we can afford to become emotional about looking after the local community by funding an academy, we shouldn't feel guilty about it neither if we don't have the finances. As i said previously, in a ideal world this wouldn't even be up for discussion.
[Post edited 31 Aug 2022 16:59]


The community is crucial though because it’s only by getting those links in place and as strong as possible that we have any chance of raising attendances and income through sponsorships etc.

If part of that is having a youth system which can get more kids involved playing for the club, even if it’s not at first team level, then it’s valuable. It’s the same at local amateur clubs in all sorts of sports. Forgetting whether we see any sort of end product in terms of a transfer fee or a player on the pitch in L2, getting those kids and their families involved at RAFC when they wouldn’t normally has an intangible value. Things like the soccer schools the community team would run that take place across the borough are a starting point as kids attending knew some would get noticed and have a chance of being invited to the club’s training sessions for various age groups. Those same kids would get tickets for games at the soccer schools too - hopefully that still happens!

Same applies with local council and businesses, that’s the community we have to develop and having as good a youth system as possible, within our means, is vital to improving that overall image to the town and beyond. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see more players come through, but enough have to prove its worth financially and, more importantly, for the club’s reputation.

There is a great focus on where the club stands in the town and its community, if we move away from that it would have a ripple effect that would impact the club financially much more in the longer term because that 2000-2500 won’t be there forever. If the academy is affordable and provides value to the club and the community, it’s not a financial risk and shouldn’t impact the team - well until we can field an entire midfield like Allen, Camps and Cannon!

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 17:57 - Aug 31 with 1826 views49thseason

This link seems to imply that the club receives £12,500 pounds per year for each academy player
https://www.leathesprior.co.uk/news/parents-of-young-footballers-on-the-rise-wha
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:13 - Aug 31 with 1789 viewsTalkingSutty

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 17:43 - Aug 31 by 442Dale

The community is crucial though because it’s only by getting those links in place and as strong as possible that we have any chance of raising attendances and income through sponsorships etc.

If part of that is having a youth system which can get more kids involved playing for the club, even if it’s not at first team level, then it’s valuable. It’s the same at local amateur clubs in all sorts of sports. Forgetting whether we see any sort of end product in terms of a transfer fee or a player on the pitch in L2, getting those kids and their families involved at RAFC when they wouldn’t normally has an intangible value. Things like the soccer schools the community team would run that take place across the borough are a starting point as kids attending knew some would get noticed and have a chance of being invited to the club’s training sessions for various age groups. Those same kids would get tickets for games at the soccer schools too - hopefully that still happens!

Same applies with local council and businesses, that’s the community we have to develop and having as good a youth system as possible, within our means, is vital to improving that overall image to the town and beyond. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see more players come through, but enough have to prove its worth financially and, more importantly, for the club’s reputation.

There is a great focus on where the club stands in the town and its community, if we move away from that it would have a ripple effect that would impact the club financially much more in the longer term because that 2000-2500 won’t be there forever. If the academy is affordable and provides value to the club and the community, it’s not a financial risk and shouldn’t impact the team - well until we can field an entire midfield like Allen, Camps and Cannon!


Well i have to disagree with your first paragraph because we all know that a exciting brand of football, winning football, increases your attendance and also sponsorship. So having strong community links isn't the only way.I would say it could even be secondary. People will watch a winning team more than one that is struggling. We've been trying to build strong links for years with the local community and look at the reputation our academy has, where are the community now when we are losing games? I agree with your last paragraph and the stuff in between, i 100% back having an academy if we can afford one, i think it's very important and would back it even if it was run at a small loss.

The Chairman stated that every aspect of the club will be looked at from a financial perspective and that's got to be music to everybodies ears, if the academy is financially viable then that would be ideal but if it's costing the club a fortune then i expect there will be a tough decision to make. The priority is the first team, without funding that properly we wont have a stadium never mind a youth academy. As i said, the council and other agencies need to come on board and help out financially it can't just rest with our club and the fans that own it.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:19 - Aug 31 with 1764 viewsD_Alien

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:13 - Aug 31 by TalkingSutty

Well i have to disagree with your first paragraph because we all know that a exciting brand of football, winning football, increases your attendance and also sponsorship. So having strong community links isn't the only way.I would say it could even be secondary. People will watch a winning team more than one that is struggling. We've been trying to build strong links for years with the local community and look at the reputation our academy has, where are the community now when we are losing games? I agree with your last paragraph and the stuff in between, i 100% back having an academy if we can afford one, i think it's very important and would back it even if it was run at a small loss.

The Chairman stated that every aspect of the club will be looked at from a financial perspective and that's got to be music to everybodies ears, if the academy is financially viable then that would be ideal but if it's costing the club a fortune then i expect there will be a tough decision to make. The priority is the first team, without funding that properly we wont have a stadium never mind a youth academy. As i said, the council and other agencies need to come on board and help out financially it can't just rest with our club and the fans that own it.
[Post edited 31 Aug 2022 18:19]


I have to fundamentally disagree with your assertion that the council and other agencies have to become involved in funding the academy

External funding always comes with strings attached - if that isn't the lesson from the past 18 months i don't know what is! As soon as someone has a finger in the pie, they could (for instance) ask the academy to implement something akin to an "equality of opportunity" policy, taking on youngsters based on criteria other than raw footballing potential

You couched the community engagement by the club as "looking after the community" in your reply to my previous post. It's no such thing. It's the club looking after itself by ensuring community links are strong, for all the reasons that 442 explained

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:23 - Aug 31 with 1744 views442Dale

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:13 - Aug 31 by TalkingSutty

Well i have to disagree with your first paragraph because we all know that a exciting brand of football, winning football, increases your attendance and also sponsorship. So having strong community links isn't the only way.I would say it could even be secondary. People will watch a winning team more than one that is struggling. We've been trying to build strong links for years with the local community and look at the reputation our academy has, where are the community now when we are losing games? I agree with your last paragraph and the stuff in between, i 100% back having an academy if we can afford one, i think it's very important and would back it even if it was run at a small loss.

The Chairman stated that every aspect of the club will be looked at from a financial perspective and that's got to be music to everybodies ears, if the academy is financially viable then that would be ideal but if it's costing the club a fortune then i expect there will be a tough decision to make. The priority is the first team, without funding that properly we wont have a stadium never mind a youth academy. As i said, the council and other agencies need to come on board and help out financially it can't just rest with our club and the fans that own it.
[Post edited 31 Aug 2022 18:19]


You’re right, worded that opening paragraph badly as results are very important. It’s only be ensuring the links to the community are strong that we’ll retain interest when they aren’t good though - and that seems to be working quite well.

Having now seen the chairman’s interview, it’s apparent that Jim Bentley values both the community and the academy so we’ve all probably spent too much time discussing it!
Which brings it back to the original point when people outside the club make assumptions about both what our academy is and how managers may fit in with it.

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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:37 - Aug 31 with 1688 viewsTalkingSutty

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:19 - Aug 31 by D_Alien

I have to fundamentally disagree with your assertion that the council and other agencies have to become involved in funding the academy

External funding always comes with strings attached - if that isn't the lesson from the past 18 months i don't know what is! As soon as someone has a finger in the pie, they could (for instance) ask the academy to implement something akin to an "equality of opportunity" policy, taking on youngsters based on criteria other than raw footballing potential

You couched the community engagement by the club as "looking after the community" in your reply to my previous post. It's no such thing. It's the club looking after itself by ensuring community links are strong, for all the reasons that 442 explained

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Well we'll beg to differ then. We can only fund what we can afford and if funding an academy is costing the club too much money then i would rather see that money diverted into funding the first team. I accept others have a different opinion. Results on the pitch are imperative at our level and we can't wait for them, it's a constant priority and that's the main reason we buy our season tickets, to see us win games. Its so important we have had to sack a manager and pay him up so early into the season. If we don't win games then people lose their jobs and the club goes down the pan.

If we can finance both the first team and the academy then great but the first team has to be the priority when it comes to every financial decision at the club. I think the Council could help to fund the academy and so could other agencies through sponsorship or other schemes. There are plenty of clubs who have community tie ups with their local football clubs.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:42 - Aug 31 with 1655 viewsD_Alien

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:37 - Aug 31 by TalkingSutty

Well we'll beg to differ then. We can only fund what we can afford and if funding an academy is costing the club too much money then i would rather see that money diverted into funding the first team. I accept others have a different opinion. Results on the pitch are imperative at our level and we can't wait for them, it's a constant priority and that's the main reason we buy our season tickets, to see us win games. Its so important we have had to sack a manager and pay him up so early into the season. If we don't win games then people lose their jobs and the club goes down the pan.

If we can finance both the first team and the academy then great but the first team has to be the priority when it comes to every financial decision at the club. I think the Council could help to fund the academy and so could other agencies through sponsorship or other schemes. There are plenty of clubs who have community tie ups with their local football clubs.


We already have commercial sponsorship, which will partly be helping to fund the academy, and as the Chairman just explained in the interview, we have new energy and ideas in attracting further sponsorship and other income streams. I'm not willing to beg to differ here - you're asking the club to do things they're already doing, quite successfully in fact, and for very good commercial and professional sporting reasons
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:42 - Aug 31 by D_Alien

We already have commercial sponsorship, which will partly be helping to fund the academy, and as the Chairman just explained in the interview, we have new energy and ideas in attracting further sponsorship and other income streams. I'm not willing to beg to differ here - you're asking the club to do things they're already doing, quite successfully in fact, and for very good commercial and professional sporting reasons
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I haven't asked the club to do anything, i've stated that even if the club lose a bit of money funding the academy they should stick with it. If the academy is losing the club a lot of money then i would prefer the funding to go into the first team. I also mentioned that all areaa of the club are being looked at from a financial perspective which is brilliant. It's a discussion relating to prioritising finances and how people feel that's all.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 19:03 - Aug 31 with 1582 viewsTalkingSutty

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 18:19 - Aug 31 by D_Alien

I have to fundamentally disagree with your assertion that the council and other agencies have to become involved in funding the academy

External funding always comes with strings attached - if that isn't the lesson from the past 18 months i don't know what is! As soon as someone has a finger in the pie, they could (for instance) ask the academy to implement something akin to an "equality of opportunity" policy, taking on youngsters based on criteria other than raw footballing potential

You couched the community engagement by the club as "looking after the community" in your reply to my previous post. It's no such thing. It's the club looking after itself by ensuring community links are strong, for all the reasons that 442 explained

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Well we'll beg to differ then. We can only fund what we can afford and if funding an academy is costing the club too much money then i would rather see that money diverted into funding the first team. I accept others have a different opinion. Results on the pitch are imperative at our level and we can't wait for them, it's a constant priority and that's the main reason we buy our season tickets, to see us win games. Its so important we have had to sack a manager and pay him up so early into the season. If we don't win games then people lose their jobs and the club goes down the pan.

If we can finance both the first team and the academy then great but the first team has to be the priority when it comes to every financial decision at the club. I think the Council could help to fund the academy and so could other agencies through sponsorship or other schemes. There are plenty of clubs who have community tie ups with their local football clubs.
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Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 19:18 - Aug 31 with 1492 viewsD_Alien

Accrington Stanley (a) Match Thread - Pizza Trophy on 19:00 - Aug 31 by TalkingSutty

I haven't asked the club to do anything, i've stated that even if the club lose a bit of money funding the academy they should stick with it. If the academy is losing the club a lot of money then i would prefer the funding to go into the first team. I also mentioned that all areaa of the club are being looked at from a financial perspective which is brilliant. It's a discussion relating to prioritising finances and how people feel that's all.


Of course it is. Thanks for reminding us that results on the pitch matter (twice)

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