| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:32 - Mar 22 with 2792 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:25 - Mar 22 by TalkingSutty |
I think his hand was forced, the Sandy Lane had booed him off the pitch after the previous game, the crowd had turned. The signing of Bird could have been because his hand had been forced also. He obviously had no appetite for a strong hold up centre forward otherwise he wouldn't have waited for the onset of March to sign one. There have been some good performances but he invariably reverts back to type, the selection of EEL on Tuesday evening was very predictable and the tempo and direction of our play was set by EEL. Mc Nulty even gave him the captains armband back after Gilmour had done so well. All very depressing but predictable. Today was predictable also. |
We’ll agree to disagree. He changed the team when he got in a striker who could play a role which benefitted the team more. Should he have done it earlier in the season? Yes. Do we know he tried to but couldn’t? No, we don’t.
So unless we agree that Keith Hill won us promotion when his hand was forced to sign COG, that disagreement will continue based on nothing but opinion!
Throughout all of this, nothing has changed in his philosophy. One which most of us don’t totally agree with. |  |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:33 - Mar 22 with 2780 views | EllDale |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:04 - Mar 22 by SaxonDale |
Bird out for a 'significant period of time' according to McNulty.
Really, really bad news. |
News that has completely ruined my weekend. When’s the NL transfer deadline?! |  | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:35 - Mar 22 with 2743 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:32 - Mar 22 by 442Dale |
We’ll agree to disagree. He changed the team when he got in a striker who could play a role which benefitted the team more. Should he have done it earlier in the season? Yes. Do we know he tried to but couldn’t? No, we don’t.
So unless we agree that Keith Hill won us promotion when his hand was forced to sign COG, that disagreement will continue based on nothing but opinion!
Throughout all of this, nothing has changed in his philosophy. One which most of us don’t totally agree with. |
He could be the first manager in our history to lift a trophy at Wembley. It's a funny old game 🙂 |  | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:57 - Mar 22 with 2617 views | nordenblue |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:32 - Mar 22 by 442Dale |
We’ll agree to disagree. He changed the team when he got in a striker who could play a role which benefitted the team more. Should he have done it earlier in the season? Yes. Do we know he tried to but couldn’t? No, we don’t.
So unless we agree that Keith Hill won us promotion when his hand was forced to sign COG, that disagreement will continue based on nothing but opinion!
Throughout all of this, nothing has changed in his philosophy. One which most of us don’t totally agree with. |
Was Hilly booed off the pitch immediately before we signed COG? [Post edited 22 Mar 21:04]
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| Refwatch just useless - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:00 - Mar 22 with 2590 views | Hebdale |
Once again shuffle shuffle lost two points c r a p decision | | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:06 - Mar 22 with 2561 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:57 - Mar 22 by nordenblue |
Was Hilly booed off the pitch immediately before we signed COG? [Post edited 22 Mar 21:04]
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Funny you should ask that! They were indeed after a late Julian Alsop winner for Cheltenham the Tuesday before.
We’d started the season with the four players mentioned. Fans were calling for a target man even before Alfie was sold, we then continued for another couple of games before O’Grady arrived on loan. | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:11 - Mar 22 with 2521 views | 49thseason |
The data suggests there has been no real improvement across 36 games at all.
First 18 games - 30 points, 1.66 PPG
2nd set of 18 games -27 points, 1.5 PPG
This despite an endless procession of players, 3 goal keepers, 3 central defenders 2 right backs, but only 2 consistent midfielders, countless wingbacks / wingers, only 4 strikers before the arrival of Bird, one of whom couldn't get more than an occasional appearance off the bench and one who looks like he has forgotten how to play the game for long stretches of his appearances and Dennis who was far from a menace. Mitchell has been shoehorned into a role he simply isn't equipped to play, paired with Bird the combination could be lethal but my bet is we will never find out as it seem to be a case of either-or rather than both, injuries notwithstanding
Seems like JM has only one tune and one tempo and the orchestra cant understand the conductor or at times even read the dots.
We must be knocking on for 40 players on the books this season and still only a few flashes of a coherent game plan suitable for this division... I used to think the plan was to play the tippy-tappy throughout the club because we were bringing through young players we could sell, because they were the players the market wanted to buy, but those rules don't apply anymore since the academy got canned.
This League is about size, power, pace, athleticism and a modicum of skill, the team that scores the most goals wins... its not complicated and complicated equals confusion, and certainly isn't scoring us enough goals.
We don't look like a team that intends to plant itself firmly in the playoff places, we are consistently inconsistent, If JM wins a trophy, then fair do's, a memorable season. But there is no EFL money at all next season and we will be rebuilding again and probably still pretending that tippy-tappy will be the secret sauce. I just hope the Ogden's are ready to find out the real cost of football, and let's not kid ourselves that this season wasn't our best shot at getting back to the EFL...
This is where the rubber meets the road for JM and to a degree, the fan-base. project 5000 will look a long way away if we do not reach the Cup final AND take a playoff place. the fans need it, the cash balances need it and it will encourage the owners...failure is now not an option. All Hands on deck! |  | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:29 - Mar 22 with 2461 views | nordenblue |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:06 - Mar 22 by 442Dale |
Funny you should ask that! They were indeed after a late Julian Alsop winner for Cheltenham the Tuesday before.
We’d started the season with the four players mentioned. Fans were calling for a target man even before Alfie was sold, we then continued for another couple of games before O’Grady arrived on loan. |
Still don't remember Hilly doing much resembling having his hand forced regardless of a crowds reaction at any point, from memory he usually did quite the opposite and was very stubborn. You do seem to be a consistently lonely voice when discussing
all things JM on here, whether that's good or bad I guess is down to opinions either way. From my own view I think hes very much a Gareth Southgate type of manager with a weird Peps possession obsession, similarly I think Ange at Spurs will fall on his own sword too with his style of play. | | | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:31 - Mar 22 with 2448 views | Rodingdale |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 19:00 - Mar 22 by 442Dale |
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No, please explain. |
Ha. Do we have to do this.
Mr Spellcheck now are we?
Next time you’re at an away game, toddle round the Dale fans and sell them - your, we’re doing alright stuff. If you can wake us up that is.
You see what you see. I see what I see. It’s boring, boring football.
Years ago, Bob Wilson did a piece on grandstand or something, about how he analysed all the penalty takers in the league. Not long after Man City were awarded a penalty against Arsenal. Franny Lee - hammered the ball past the intellectually superior Wilson, and shouted analyse that you c**t.
Too much analysis leads to paralysis. Football is a simple game.
McNulty has turned out to be a Bob Wilson of a manager. | | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:34 - Mar 22 with 2425 views | Clivert |
I stopped reading this thread on page2.
McNulty out! |  | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:43 - Mar 22 with 2393 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:29 - Mar 22 by nordenblue |
Still don't remember Hilly doing much resembling having his hand forced regardless of a crowds reaction at any point, from memory he usually did quite the opposite and was very stubborn. You do seem to be a consistently lonely voice when discussing
all things JM on here, whether that's good or bad I guess is down to opinions either way. From my own view I think hes very much a Gareth Southgate type of manager with a weird Peps possession obsession, similarly I think Ange at Spurs will fall on his own sword too with his style of play. |
No, I wasn’t saying Hill did have his hand forced. Merely using the example that neither did McNulty when he brought in Bird.
My consistency is only on the back of others inconsistency. If anything, I’m one of his biggest critics based on his overall approach irrespective of results.
McNulty hasn’t changed one bit all season long, pre season excellence, bad form, good form. It’s all been on the back of how he wants his team to play. The mood amongst fans and how he’s viewed naturally swings with results. Positive results along with how entertaining we are at home is what will achieve success for the club and determine whether he remains in the role.
The Postecoglou point is an interesting one. There’s a manager who plays all out attack, with high tempo and taking risks. Isn’t that what some would want for their team? Yet sticking to his guns has seen them exposed time and again at the back, with little in the way of tactical adjustments to strengthen their structure.
Football eh… | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:56 - Mar 22 with 2320 views | 442Dale |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:31 - Mar 22 by Rodingdale |
Ha. Do we have to do this.
Mr Spellcheck now are we?
Next time you’re at an away game, toddle round the Dale fans and sell them - your, we’re doing alright stuff. If you can wake us up that is.
You see what you see. I see what I see. It’s boring, boring football.
Years ago, Bob Wilson did a piece on grandstand or something, about how he analysed all the penalty takers in the league. Not long after Man City were awarded a penalty against Arsenal. Franny Lee - hammered the ball past the intellectually superior Wilson, and shouted analyse that you c**t.
Too much analysis leads to paralysis. Football is a simple game.
McNulty has turned out to be a Bob Wilson of a manager. |
Completely acceot the criticism of around how we play and how it can be hard to watch. Have said as much over the season and how it’s not my preference. I find it overly tactical and rigid.
It was playing devil’s advocate that it hasn’t been like that all season and especially for those four home wins, mainly because of Bird. For around half the home games it hasn’t either. Is that good enough? Probably not. If we’d carried on losing after the Barnet game I’d said his job would have been under threat. Pretty much everyone on here was unanimous in their praise of how he and his team responded.
That’s now flipped again somewhat after three games without a win. An earlier post talking about games won, I asked in response whether, if we continued with that form whether the amount of points achieved would have been acceptable before the season began. That, on top of seeing a few good games, is what I look at. Accept everyone is different.
So far, I’d give the season a 6.5/10 for both results and seeing some good games. That’s an improvement on the last few years.
Today was a 3. | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:57 - Mar 22 with 2322 views | dingdangblue |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 17:53 - Mar 22 by JimmyRustler |
I do wonder if Mitchell has been sounded out by other clubs given that his contract is up in the Summer? His numbers (on paper at least) are likely to attract interest from league clubs.
This, coupled with his ear cupping towards the Sandy leads me to believe he’s on his way out. That could possibly also go some way to explaining his apparent drop off in effort perhaps? It does seem odd that he’s the top scorer and was replaced by Bird at the drop of a hat. Maybe JM is also aware of his intentions?
Who knows. Either way, even if we somehow do sneak into the playoffs, we are doomed without a fit Bird (oo er). |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 22:25 - Mar 22 with 2196 views | dingdangblue |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 20:29 - Mar 22 by TalkingSutty |
It's not a surprise. McNulty stated after his first game that he wasnt match fit. Players invariably pick up injuries when they are not match fit. Maybe that's why Exeter loaned him to us, so we could get him match fit. It's a shame, we need another forward now though. [Post edited 22 Mar 20:32]
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He got his foot stood on - nothing to do with him being match fit. | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 22:32 - Mar 22 with 2159 views | EllDale |
It does seem though that a good chance of escaping this league may have been wasted.
Halifax are complaining that they have half a dozen players who are injured long term, Oldham aren’t firing on all cylinders and Gateshead are in a shocking run of form.
Looking at next year it may well be that Scunthorpe and Carlisle might be in the NL and looking strong sides.
I would hate to think that we may fall into the same category as the likes of Gateshead, Halifax and Altrincham over the next few years; nice footballing team who usually flirt with the playoffs without ever seriously threatening to go up.
Lord knows what will happen to Project 5000 then. | | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 22:44 - Mar 22 with 2111 views | nordenblue |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 21:43 - Mar 22 by 442Dale |
No, I wasn’t saying Hill did have his hand forced. Merely using the example that neither did McNulty when he brought in Bird.
My consistency is only on the back of others inconsistency. If anything, I’m one of his biggest critics based on his overall approach irrespective of results.
McNulty hasn’t changed one bit all season long, pre season excellence, bad form, good form. It’s all been on the back of how he wants his team to play. The mood amongst fans and how he’s viewed naturally swings with results. Positive results along with how entertaining we are at home is what will achieve success for the club and determine whether he remains in the role.
The Postecoglou point is an interesting one. There’s a manager who plays all out attack, with high tempo and taking risks. Isn’t that what some would want for their team? Yet sticking to his guns has seen them exposed time and again at the back, with little in the way of tactical adjustments to strengthen their structure.
Football eh… |
I'd probably say JM was under more fan scrutiny when he signed Bird than when Hilly brought in COG if we're using a direct comparison, people seem to be losing sight of the fact we're currently playing in an absolutely terrible league and far further down as a whole club than at any point in Hillys reign, without sounding all Oldham we should be sat firmly in the playoffs at worst having watched most of the competition already and the players JM has at his disposal, today was as predictable as day turning to night so much so even at 1.0 up when my son kept nipping in the house from the garden my only question to him was "have they equalised yet".
With regards to Ange you just watch them play, shake your head and wonder how many times do you need to belt yourself around your own head to realise it hurts, its just plain weird. | | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 23:06 - Mar 22 with 2053 views | dingdangblue |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 22:32 - Mar 22 by EllDale |
It does seem though that a good chance of escaping this league may have been wasted.
Halifax are complaining that they have half a dozen players who are injured long term, Oldham aren’t firing on all cylinders and Gateshead are in a shocking run of form.
Looking at next year it may well be that Scunthorpe and Carlisle might be in the NL and looking strong sides.
I would hate to think that we may fall into the same category as the likes of Gateshead, Halifax and Altrincham over the next few years; nice footballing team who usually flirt with the playoffs without ever seriously threatening to go up.
Lord knows what will happen to Project 5000 then. |
No one is touching Barnet this season so realistically it doesn't matter if we finish 2nd or 7th. If we do somehow finish outside the play offs then Jim has seriously underperformed with the budget and players available to him. | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 03:18 - Mar 23 with 1821 views | Sandyman |
I recall some awful performances of tippy tappy tripe last season. Jim's reasons came out as being down to the precarious state the club was in at that time and that he had to play a certain way to protect what we had.
That can't be an excuse this season, where far too many points have been thrown away by playing in precisely the same, predictable, ineffectual way too often. There have been great performances, where we have seen the best Jim's team can offer. The reactions after Ebbsfleet and Barnet at home were deserved after we saw the worst. Last Tuesday we made relegation threatened Boston look like world beaters thanks to how we were set up. Today they lost 4-1.
We have a couple of months left to find out if going for a win or tippy tappy oops is what Jim puts on the pitch. That will define our success or failure, his future here and 2025-26 ticket sales. |  | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 06:26 - Mar 23 with 1684 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 22:25 - Mar 22 by dingdangblue |
He got his foot stood on - nothing to do with him being match fit. |
Sorry, i didn't know he had his foot stood on. Probably playing with a broken bone then. He wasnt match fit when we signed him though, McNulty told us that after his debut against Altrincham. So its not a surprise he picked up a injury, thats what normally happens. A fit bird probably wouldnt have been loaned out to a National League Club. Worth the risk though because he scores a couple of important goals for us. Even with a limp he offered far more threat than Mitchell and Rodney combined. I still wouldnt be surprised to see him return a week next Saturday for the Spennymoor game. I agree with a previous poster and think Mitchell already has a club lined up, hes going through the motions, you can see that. Rodney has gone, different player since his serious illness and he strolls around the pitch without threatening enough. So we carry very little threat now going into the most important part of the season, when you think of how many wide players we've signed this season all of a similar ilk then thats down to the manager. We actually needed another forward at the start of the season, something that many fans pointed out at the time.
Yesterday was depressing to watch, you can't win anything playing like that, devoid of fight and determination to win the game, another wimpish display of McNulty ball. Unbelievably though only Oldham and us picked up any points in the top six ( forget Barnet) so it proved to be a good point, we've got away with poor performances twice in a week now and actually strengthened our position in the play offs. A indication of how bad this league is. Next up York, another team who aren't in great form, FGR also losing games. Finish in a play off place and anybody can beat anybody in this league. Before then ( play offs) we play Spennymoor, a part time club who have probably played more games than us this season with a much smaller squad. They are also playing Saturday/ Tuesday right up to the semi final game. Tiredness can't be used as a excuse for failing to perform on the day and neither can the pitch, that's a season defining game and one we should be putting to bed. It would also give us a major boost for the remaining league games. [Post edited 23 Mar 7:33]
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 08:42 - Mar 23 with 1434 views | James1980 |
Remember the three year plan. This season's budget was not one to achieve promotion but to compete for a playoff spot. The postponements due to issues with the pitch and the injuries won't have helped matters. | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 09:03 - Mar 23 with 1384 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 08:42 - Mar 23 by James1980 |
Remember the three year plan. This season's budget was not one to achieve promotion but to compete for a playoff spot. The postponements due to issues with the pitch and the injuries won't have helped matters. |
True about the pitch, every team has injuries. True about the three year plan also but it's been obvious since the season started that the squad we have should be capable of finishing in the play offs. We still should do but some of the performances we are throwing in and decision making from the manager ( recruitment/ team selection/ substitutions etc) is making the task a lot harder than it should be. I'm not even sure that McNulty has the appetite for the play offs when you listen to him speak, he always seems to find a reason for underachieving in games. Loves the tactical analysis and posession stats, XG etc but absolutely hates to speak about play offs and expectation. That translates to pressure and getting results and modern day coaches hate talking about that. Of course, the only thing that matters is winning football matches, results. It's how every manager is judged and if we land a play off place then he can put two fingers up to all the doubters, including myself. [Post edited 23 Mar 9:06]
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 09:14 - Mar 23 with 1346 views | James1980 |
For me the target of play offs is too woolly. There is a big difference between 2nd place and just scraping or just missing out on 7th place. | |
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 09:49 - Mar 23 with 1240 views | TalkingSutty |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 09:14 - Mar 23 by James1980 |
For me the target of play offs is too woolly. There is a big difference between 2nd place and just scraping or just missing out on 7th place. |
Disagree, claiming a play off place is a big achievement and gives you a decent chance of promotion. You have to have ambition. I think you did this with BBM, disliked anybody criticising his management. He relegated a good team, nice man though apparently.
James when you look at the league table we have a very realistic chance of promotion this season, that should be the mindset of everybody connected with the club, especially the manager, if it isn't then he's in the wrong job and both Chairmen should be telling him that. If we fail to make the play offs we will have blown it from a great position..sitting in a play off place with games in hand on everybody. Thats the reality of where we find ourselves now. With Barnet out of the equation none of the teams in and around the play offs are unbeatable and none of them are in great form. I'd back us to beat any of them on our day in a one off game home or away. We might pull up short but let's not be frightened of talking about it and try to find a excuse for not achieving, i listen to McNultys interviews and that's the feeling that I'm always left with. We're trying to drum up interest in the club and increase attendances, let's start talking up our chances over the next couple of months and generate some excitement.
We have a very realistic chance of going to Wembley twice, winning promotion and also the first trophy in the clubs history. Yes, the double. I expect McNulty to pin that message up on the walls of the changing room at both the training ground and at Spotland. That's a message the players will want to read and believe in, i think it would scare the living daylights out of the manager though so it wont happen unfortunately. No other club in this league can achieve that this season, only us..the double.You wouldn't know though because everybody is frightened to death of banging the drum and the manager is the biggest culprit, followed by a lot of our supporters unfortunately. Let's have some positivity and rally the people of theTown. Dare to dream and aim for the stars. 'If not you then who?..If not now then when?
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| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 10:39 - Mar 23 with 1076 views | Dalenet |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 08:42 - Mar 23 by James1980 |
Remember the three year plan. This season's budget was not one to achieve promotion but to compete for a playoff spot. The postponements due to issues with the pitch and the injuries won't have helped matters. |
That would be true if we were still in August. But having listened to Camerons interviews since, they have ramped up the budget for Jim to allow him to have cover when there have been injuries. We have had more players through our team than almost any other National League club. You don't achieve that without a decent budget. We have much bigger budgets than Gateshead, Halifax and I suspect Altrincham. We have higher game revenues than all three of these clubs. The budgets have been sufficient to hold a play-off place. Just watching the games and seeing how we drop points show you we should be higher up the table. Please don't make excuses for the position we are in - its our own doing | | | |
| Refwatch - Maidenhead United v Rochdale on 11:12 - Mar 23 with 974 views | James1980 |
It's not so much excuses but mitigation. The target being a play off place, with the points to play for and games in hand we can afford to drop points here and there and still achieve or just miss that aim. I think a more specific target of a play off semi final place or even final place would focus minds more [Post edited 23 Mar 11:14]
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