| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:31 - Mar 26 with 3015 views | nordenblue |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:22 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
Sorry to be going over old ground but the 3-year plan is for us to be in the efl in that period of time. This season's target is playoffs We've not been told if that's the seventh place. Second place semi-finals or winning the playoffs |
It also doesnt mean you should pass up wonderful opportunities should they arise ahead of year 3, as folk can probably guess I can't see this happening with the current manager in place in any of the 3 years |  | |  |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:34 - Mar 26 with 2979 views | D_Alien |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:20 - Mar 26 by Toffeemanc |
Are you seriously suggesting that McNulty actually has a plan b, plan c etc. Wonder why he has never used them?
We all know he hasn’t, he’s proved it time again with his inflexible rigid approach to the formation of the team and like for like substitutions.
For clarity McNulty ball is slow pedestrian tedious pointless possession football with little or no end product on most occasions. Even when we win we are regularly still rubbish to watch.
I’ve only ever left a game early once before this season in 15 years. The football/McNulty ball on offer now has meant I’ve left both of the last 2 home games with 20 minutes to go having stomached all I can of the inept shite on offer. I’ve also chosen to miss the home league games games against Oldham, Tamworth and Barnet despite having a season ticket and being able to go along with not bothering to spend extra and buy a ticket for the Altrincham cup game at home which I also elected to miss despite being able to go.
I’ve bought a ticket for Spennymoor game which I probably now won’t bother using and have already made alternative plans for this weekend so won’t be attending Aldershot either. To be honest I am seriously considering not attending any of the remaining games this season despite having the season ticket and being able to go. I’ve also already made the decision not to renew my season ticket for next season because I’m not prepared to watch anymore of what’s on offer.
To sum up McNulty ball is boring to watch and is going to cost the club a lot of lost fans and revenue. The club can forget project 5000, if they want to be realistic try selling 1500 season tickets for next season, I reckon they are going to find it a struggle. |
if you've bought a ticket for the Spennymoor game, i'd urge you to turn up to watch what could be a make or break game for Dale and McNulty
If we win, i think you might regret not being there. If we don't, it could be a defining moment that you might regret missing
Of course, that's entirely up to you, and having attended fewer games this season than for many years, i'm in no position to question anyone else's reasons for not attending. I'm not doing that, since the reasons you're citing are the same reasons i've missed games
As Sandyman posted last night, we should have a better idea of where things stand after 5 April |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:42 - Mar 26 with 2923 views | Rodingdale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:22 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
Sorry to be going over old ground but the 3-year plan is for us to be in the efl in that period of time. This season's target is playoffs We've not been told if that's the seventh place. Second place semi-finals or winning the playoffs |
You talk about the 3 year plan as if it’s something all fans unanimously agreed with and bought into. I didn’t. In my view the longer we spend in this dreadful division the more institutionalised we will become. You clearly take a great pleasure from picking holes in the views of loyal fans opinions, it would be interesting to know what you think about the performance of McNultys teams, do you enjoy every game? Do you have a view on what he talks about in his interviews. Are you indeed the one fan who McNulty relies upon to applaud win lose or draw? Did you stay to the end last night or five minutes after the game finished when McNulty was taking the team around clapping the empty stands. What do you think about it all James? I’m interested.
And I mean, considered thoughts, not some clever smart arse one liner. Persuade me and others of your view. At the moment, you sound like a wind up merchant who isn’t in touch with the majority of Dale fans. [Post edited 26 Mar 20:49]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:49 - Mar 26 with 2860 views | James1980 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:20 - Mar 26 by Toffeemanc |
Are you seriously suggesting that McNulty actually has a plan b, plan c etc. Wonder why he has never used them?
We all know he hasn’t, he’s proved it time again with his inflexible rigid approach to the formation of the team and like for like substitutions.
For clarity McNulty ball is slow pedestrian tedious pointless possession football with little or no end product on most occasions. Even when we win we are regularly still rubbish to watch.
I’ve only ever left a game early once before this season in 15 years. The football/McNulty ball on offer now has meant I’ve left both of the last 2 home games with 20 minutes to go having stomached all I can of the inept shite on offer. I’ve also chosen to miss the home league games games against Oldham, Tamworth and Barnet despite having a season ticket and being able to go along with not bothering to spend extra and buy a ticket for the Altrincham cup game at home which I also elected to miss despite being able to go.
I’ve bought a ticket for Spennymoor game which I probably now won’t bother using and have already made alternative plans for this weekend so won’t be attending Aldershot either. To be honest I am seriously considering not attending any of the remaining games this season despite having the season ticket and being able to go. I’ve also already made the decision not to renew my season ticket for next season because I’m not prepared to watch anymore of what’s on offer.
To sum up McNulty ball is boring to watch and is going to cost the club a lot of lost fans and revenue. The club can forget project 5000, if they want to be realistic try selling 1500 season tickets for next season, I reckon they are going to find it a struggle. |
You've missed some games this season then | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:52 - Mar 26 with 2836 views | Toffeemanc |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:49 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
You've missed some games this season then |
Yes because of the shite football on offer.
I know as a McNulty apologist that you won’t understand this but that’s entirely your choice which your free to make. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:20 - Mar 26 with 2718 views | mikehunt |
And I should like to add that, if the baying mob in the Sandy, who cheered Mitchell's substitution, think he will give a sh%t about ever scoring for Rochdale again.... well thanks for p%ssing off our leading goal scorer. We haven't got anyone else!
Yes, we were embarrassingly poor but you lot compounded the embarrassment a hundred fold by your vitriolic hatred (It really was) of one of our players.
It made me feel like calling it a day following the Dale as I do not want to be associated with "supporters" like that. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:48 - Mar 26 with 2607 views | dingdangblue |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:20 - Mar 26 by mikehunt |
And I should like to add that, if the baying mob in the Sandy, who cheered Mitchell's substitution, think he will give a sh%t about ever scoring for Rochdale again.... well thanks for p%ssing off our leading goal scorer. We haven't got anyone else!
Yes, we were embarrassingly poor but you lot compounded the embarrassment a hundred fold by your vitriolic hatred (It really was) of one of our players.
It made me feel like calling it a day following the Dale as I do not want to be associated with "supporters" like that. |
I mean great he's our leading scorer and all that but where is his next goal coming from? He had his finish from 1 yard away at Tamworth, and a miss hit that bobbled over the keeper v Altrincham. Other than that recently he's been woeful. Missed a great chance early on v Oldham at home, missed a great chance to wrap up the game at Oldham away. Even last night early on he had the chance to flick in Buyabu's cross and put it out for a goal kick, had a header which instead of going towards goal went nearer the corner flag. His hold up play is next to non existent, he struggles to win anything in the air despite his height, he gets outmuscled by defenders and as TalkingSutty eloquently put it his first touch is invariably a pass. He's obviously pissed off that Bird has come in and made him look even worse but the first chance he had to prove everyone wrong at Maidenhead because of Bird's injury he went missing for 90 mins. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:54 - Mar 26 with 2582 views | mikehunt |
Believe it or not I do agree with all that but I guess my point is the complete disrespect for the player and he will be picked because we have no one else to play up front at the moment. After the abuse he got I just think he will want as far away from us as he can get. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:08 - Mar 26 with 2540 views | dingdangblue |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 21:54 - Mar 26 by mikehunt |
Believe it or not I do agree with all that but I guess my point is the complete disrespect for the player and he will be picked because we have no one else to play up front at the moment. After the abuse he got I just think he will want as far away from us as he can get. |
I agree, as bad as he is you shouldn't be cheering him off the pitch when he's subbed - we do need him in our current predicament and who knows - he may score the goal that takes us to Wembley!
One thing that doesn't endear him to the supporters though - he always looks miserable! | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:56 - Mar 26 with 2417 views | Clivert |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:07 - Mar 26 by Cedar_Room |
Amazes me how people seem to forget who was the manager of Rochdale AFC at the point we got relegated out of the football league.
Now granted, the damage had pretty much been done by the time JM took over but did anyone witness any fire, grit or determination in those final performances of that season? You could see from every team selection and interview that JM - this great loyal servant of the club - had already accepted our fate and wasn’t putting up any fight. That’s why I’ve always been against his permanent appointment. I had accepted us going down, what I couldn’t accept is going down so pathetically and JM’s role in that won’t be forgotten by me.
If by some miracle we get promoted this season then fair enough, I’ll eat my words and JM will have every right to crow at the doubters.
But there seems almost no likelihood whatsoever of that happening because here we are - two years on - with JM’s teams still showing the same absence of fire, grit and determination. The exact qualities you need to win trophies, to win crucial play off games. To, you know, GET PROMOTED.
Why anyone thinks this man should be entrusted with 3 years to carry on is verging on the definition of madness - we’ll be playing exactly the same in the future as we do now yet some of you will be expecting a different outcome. It’s time for a change. |
I would never blame relegation from TFL on McNulty but the Gillingham away game during his first stint (the free hit game) as Caretaker manager and the first half in the Tranmere home game which pretty much sent us down when he was auditioning for the job we're two of the poorest Dale performances that I can remember. |  | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 23:56 - Mar 26 with 2338 views | Sandyman |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 22:56 - Mar 26 by Clivert |
I would never blame relegation from TFL on McNulty but the Gillingham away game during his first stint (the free hit game) as Caretaker manager and the first half in the Tranmere home game which pretty much sent us down when he was auditioning for the job we're two of the poorest Dale performances that I can remember. |
We've all seen some absolute sh.. in our time as Dale fans, and each individual will have certain games as "worst ever" due to score or performance.
One of my top ranked "worst ever" was Ebbsfleet 0-0 at home this season. Ebbsfleet couldn't buy a win. Dale were so bad. "Disappointing" said Jim yet again. Being told to "respect the point" was pathetic. Moaning about the pitch - the same one Ebbsfleet played on. He talked them up after one our worst performances, that did wonders for drinks sales in Ratcliffes.
We can't sack Jim given the chance of a play off spot and a Wembley cup final appearance, he deserves the chance to see if he can see it through. But foook me, his bad days are seriously, seriously, bad. Last night and many others. That is why his tenure is under question and regulars are giving up on the club.
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 04:03 - Mar 27 with 2244 views | WhitworthDale |
I think the reason why we see such polarized, confusing and seemingly 'knee jerk' reactions after every result is ultimately down to the manager, who in the modern game, takes responsibility for the performance of his teams.
Have we improved on last season -- yes I believe so, the points on the board suggest this. We have a stronger squad too in my opinion, the manager is entitled to take credit for this. Some performances have been excellent. The Jay Bird signing was a coup and it was great to see an upturn in performances and results recently.
However, in my view, there are some fundamental flaws within the squad which have led to the infuriating inconsistency and some utterly unacceptable performances. And I mean not just in terms of results - we as Dale fans are battled hardened regarding the inconsistency of results. It is the perceived inconsistency of leadership, effort and effectiveness which are most concerning. When one adds to that mix a catalogue of excuses to post match interviews, together with a not-so-subtle sniping at the fans after an abysmal 4-0 defeat, and you are asking for trouble. Memories of Hilly's regretful decline are not fully faded from memory yet.
The correct way to deal with the post match interview after Tuesday would have been to address the fans directly. Confirm it was not good enough, that we have the players to make the play offs and that improved performance will be demanded. What he says to the players in private is a different matter - he can molly coddle them if he wishes. But I think he got his post match 180 degrees wrong, implying a private hairdryer and a public presentation of excuses first. The interview was an absolute car crash for several other reasons - for example, claiming that it was the third goal that meant we lost - against a friendly interviewer, God forbid he actually faced probing questions, I think the man would fall apart! | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 06:50 - Mar 27 with 2067 views | TalkingSutty |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 04:03 - Mar 27 by WhitworthDale |
I think the reason why we see such polarized, confusing and seemingly 'knee jerk' reactions after every result is ultimately down to the manager, who in the modern game, takes responsibility for the performance of his teams.
Have we improved on last season -- yes I believe so, the points on the board suggest this. We have a stronger squad too in my opinion, the manager is entitled to take credit for this. Some performances have been excellent. The Jay Bird signing was a coup and it was great to see an upturn in performances and results recently.
However, in my view, there are some fundamental flaws within the squad which have led to the infuriating inconsistency and some utterly unacceptable performances. And I mean not just in terms of results - we as Dale fans are battled hardened regarding the inconsistency of results. It is the perceived inconsistency of leadership, effort and effectiveness which are most concerning. When one adds to that mix a catalogue of excuses to post match interviews, together with a not-so-subtle sniping at the fans after an abysmal 4-0 defeat, and you are asking for trouble. Memories of Hilly's regretful decline are not fully faded from memory yet.
The correct way to deal with the post match interview after Tuesday would have been to address the fans directly. Confirm it was not good enough, that we have the players to make the play offs and that improved performance will be demanded. What he says to the players in private is a different matter - he can molly coddle them if he wishes. But I think he got his post match 180 degrees wrong, implying a private hairdryer and a public presentation of excuses first. The interview was an absolute car crash for several other reasons - for example, claiming that it was the third goal that meant we lost - against a friendly interviewer, God forbid he actually faced probing questions, I think the man would fall apart! |
Good post. We have improved on last season but with the increase in budget afforded to McNulty that would be expected. We do have a stronger squad but the Ogdens are responsible for that. In general i dont think the entertainment on offer has changed at all. Frustration and a feeling of underperforming, 'what if' is always present, there are exceptions though of course. Even when we play well for a chunk of the game as we saw at Oldham. The ability to find ways of not winning games that we should and a manager who is reactive rather than proactive, the reactive invariably being much too late to alter the course of the game, Bromley in the FA Cup being the exception. He single handedly knocked us out of the cup in that game.
I said before, he was the right manager at the right time during the upheaval of last season, some continuity and a manager who knew the club and the recent history. He deserves credit for that. It's about trying to put bums on seats now though and generating a interest in the Town and around the club. A manager who can lead the whole club and put a exciting winning style of football on the pitch is needed. At the moment we have Jim's Good Bud Club, it's more a bunch of mates and a manager who doesn't look as though he's got a good bollocking in him, never mind a hairdryer. His personality and interviews sends me to sleep, how can he motivate anybody when you listen to him speak. I'm even wondering if he's decided himself that he's not bothered about the play offs this season and all the associated pressures that will bring and the easiest option for him and his players is to just concentrate on the Spennymoor game. I hope those in the Boardroom have considered that possibility and are not compliant in it. Getting out of this league is the priority over everything else and we have a real chance of achieving that this season, contrary to what McNulty thinks about York and their budget.
The priority now should be to get into the play offs and try to win them. What's happened previously counts for nothing in the play offs, they are one off pressurised games and the favourites to win them invariably don't. Look what happened to Bolton against Oxford last season, they froze. So take no notice of McNulty and the stuff he said about York and budgets, in a play off game its different if you have a manager that believes and has a winning mentality. He's thrown the towel in already though should we play York in the play offs and there's a real possibility of that happening when you look at the league table. Rank bad management and a message to his players that they aren't good enough to beat them. A York team that lost 1-3 last Saturday and haven't been in good form. That's the mentality of the manager of our club and it's not a winners one is it? We need a new manager and i hope Cameron and Simon realise that now.
Unfortunately it's appeared to me during recent league performances that they've all mentally downed tools and convinced themselves that the schedule of games is too much for them. The team selection against York struck me as one designed to rest key players like Barlow/ Allarakia/ Henderson/ Berger etc. rather than one designed to win the game. It definitely sounds like McNulty is tired and he also had a veiled attack at the club in respect of the pitch problems and postponements during his interview after the Maidenhead game. In reality we've played probably the same number of games as most clubs and a lot are operating with smaller squads than us and some with part time set ups. Fixture congestion is normal at this time of the year, especially if you have a cup run. There's nobody in and around the club to question McNulty though because none are really qualified in footballing matters. The team selection for the Spennymoor game will tell a story i think, the sudden re-emergence of supposedly injured key players will reveal what the managers and the players priorities are. We need to see a reaction before that game against Aldershot and Woking, the recent rubbish league performances will have already impacted the attendance at the Spennymoor game. It's made the game a much harder sell to friends and family for a start. [Post edited 27 Mar 8:33]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 08:30 - Mar 27 with 1878 views | dingdangblue |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 06:50 - Mar 27 by TalkingSutty |
Good post. We have improved on last season but with the increase in budget afforded to McNulty that would be expected. We do have a stronger squad but the Ogdens are responsible for that. In general i dont think the entertainment on offer has changed at all. Frustration and a feeling of underperforming, 'what if' is always present, there are exceptions though of course. Even when we play well for a chunk of the game as we saw at Oldham. The ability to find ways of not winning games that we should and a manager who is reactive rather than proactive, the reactive invariably being much too late to alter the course of the game, Bromley in the FA Cup being the exception. He single handedly knocked us out of the cup in that game.
I said before, he was the right manager at the right time during the upheaval of last season, some continuity and a manager who knew the club and the recent history. He deserves credit for that. It's about trying to put bums on seats now though and generating a interest in the Town and around the club. A manager who can lead the whole club and put a exciting winning style of football on the pitch is needed. At the moment we have Jim's Good Bud Club, it's more a bunch of mates and a manager who doesn't look as though he's got a good bollocking in him, never mind a hairdryer. His personality and interviews sends me to sleep, how can he motivate anybody when you listen to him speak. I'm even wondering if he's decided himself that he's not bothered about the play offs this season and all the associated pressures that will bring and the easiest option for him and his players is to just concentrate on the Spennymoor game. I hope those in the Boardroom have considered that possibility and are not compliant in it. Getting out of this league is the priority over everything else and we have a real chance of achieving that this season, contrary to what McNulty thinks about York and their budget.
The priority now should be to get into the play offs and try to win them. What's happened previously counts for nothing in the play offs, they are one off pressurised games and the favourites to win them invariably don't. Look what happened to Bolton against Oxford last season, they froze. So take no notice of McNulty and the stuff he said about York and budgets, in a play off game its different if you have a manager that believes and has a winning mentality. He's thrown the towel in already though should we play York in the play offs and there's a real possibility of that happening when you look at the league table. Rank bad management and a message to his players that they aren't good enough to beat them. A York team that lost 1-3 last Saturday and haven't been in good form. That's the mentality of the manager of our club and it's not a winners one is it? We need a new manager and i hope Cameron and Simon realise that now.
Unfortunately it's appeared to me during recent league performances that they've all mentally downed tools and convinced themselves that the schedule of games is too much for them. The team selection against York struck me as one designed to rest key players like Barlow/ Allarakia/ Henderson/ Berger etc. rather than one designed to win the game. It definitely sounds like McNulty is tired and he also had a veiled attack at the club in respect of the pitch problems and postponements during his interview after the Maidenhead game. In reality we've played probably the same number of games as most clubs and a lot are operating with smaller squads than us and some with part time set ups. Fixture congestion is normal at this time of the year, especially if you have a cup run. There's nobody in and around the club to question McNulty though because none are really qualified in footballing matters. The team selection for the Spennymoor game will tell a story i think, the sudden re-emergence of supposedly injured key players will reveal what the managers and the players priorities are. We need to see a reaction before that game against Aldershot and Woking, the recent rubbish league performances will have already impacted the attendance at the Spennymoor game. It's made the game a much harder sell to friends and family for a start. [Post edited 27 Mar 8:33]
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I'm not sure about saving players for the cup game? Bird was injured at Oldham, limping quite badly at the end and he really shouldn't have played against Boston on the Tuesday. He's made it worse and now according to Jim's vague interview it's a 'significant injury' and we may or may not see him again? I do hope he's being over dramatic because I really dont see us making the playoffs otherwise. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 08:38 - Mar 27 with 1848 views | TalkingSutty |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 08:30 - Mar 27 by dingdangblue |
I'm not sure about saving players for the cup game? Bird was injured at Oldham, limping quite badly at the end and he really shouldn't have played against Boston on the Tuesday. He's made it worse and now according to Jim's vague interview it's a 'significant injury' and we may or may not see him again? I do hope he's being over dramatic because I really dont see us making the playoffs otherwise. |
He's said similar things about players in the past and they have miraculously reappeared. If Bird is likely out for the rest of the season then he will have returned to Exeter and we will sign another forward today i would expect. Let's see what happens. He could hardly walk in those games but they still kept him on the pitch, it was bizarre. Probably a reflection on how poor our other forwards are. Something that's been evident since the season started. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 09:46 - Mar 27 with 1712 views | Yawkshur |
As a York fan, I was surprised how lethargic/off it Rochdale looked, then a bit less surprised when I learnt you were in the Trophy semi-final (try my best to ignore it even when we're still in it!). I can't speak for your own circumstances but we've had good runs in the Trophy in the past and seen how the lure of playing at Wembley can have an affect on players at this level. The last time we won it we were relegated to the National North weeks before, which doesn't tell the whole story but tells enough of it. The fact you're in the play-offs with games in hand means you're decent side, as much as this league has peaks and troughs quality wise, it's hard getting into them regardless, so I can't really think why else you played large chunks of the other night looking like a team at the end of the season with nothing to play for.
As for your managers comments about budgets, from the outside he comes across like he's fighting a cold war with the chairman (I guess most managers are) and that he's under pressure. Just comes over strangely defeatist for the manager of a club that's fighting on two fronts, anything can happen in the play-offs and you've got a great opportunity to go all the way in the Trophy.
From our perspective, I won't try and kid on that budgets are irrelevant because we all know that's not true, but last season we spent a fortune, to the kind of level that'd generally see clubs competing for titles. The problem is we spent it horribly in the main and avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth. This season we've spent it much better, although Felix and Pearce were frees for example (obviously disingenuous if we pretend that being able to offer attractive contracts isn't a big part of such signings and would we have even been in for them if Hinch wasn't in charge? Likely not) as was Male who was part of a Dorking side that shipped goals for fun. The 'headline' signing of Stones is still one for debate, not because he's a bad player but because it remains to be seen where he fits in, in fact it's not difficult to argue his inclusion coincided with a slump in form as we changed the way we played to accommodate, something put right the other night. In other words, having a big budget is one thing, managing it well another. All that said, we're still going to miss out on the title by a decent margin to a team that have kept to a way of doing things and patiently built. I'm waffling anyway, apologies, none of that is news to any of you as football fans! Gateshead are probably the best example of a club consistently doing it well on a good but not massive budget, especially if you're a club in a position to hang on to players.
Good luck in the Trophy, as much as many of us deride it as 'tinpot', it was undeniably a great experience winning it the first time (2nd time less so, your team singing 'champions' weeks after being relegated is a 'difficult' one), seeing your club lift a trophy at Wembley is special regardless. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 11:03 - Mar 27 with 1587 views | Rodingdale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 09:46 - Mar 27 by Yawkshur |
As a York fan, I was surprised how lethargic/off it Rochdale looked, then a bit less surprised when I learnt you were in the Trophy semi-final (try my best to ignore it even when we're still in it!). I can't speak for your own circumstances but we've had good runs in the Trophy in the past and seen how the lure of playing at Wembley can have an affect on players at this level. The last time we won it we were relegated to the National North weeks before, which doesn't tell the whole story but tells enough of it. The fact you're in the play-offs with games in hand means you're decent side, as much as this league has peaks and troughs quality wise, it's hard getting into them regardless, so I can't really think why else you played large chunks of the other night looking like a team at the end of the season with nothing to play for.
As for your managers comments about budgets, from the outside he comes across like he's fighting a cold war with the chairman (I guess most managers are) and that he's under pressure. Just comes over strangely defeatist for the manager of a club that's fighting on two fronts, anything can happen in the play-offs and you've got a great opportunity to go all the way in the Trophy.
From our perspective, I won't try and kid on that budgets are irrelevant because we all know that's not true, but last season we spent a fortune, to the kind of level that'd generally see clubs competing for titles. The problem is we spent it horribly in the main and avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth. This season we've spent it much better, although Felix and Pearce were frees for example (obviously disingenuous if we pretend that being able to offer attractive contracts isn't a big part of such signings and would we have even been in for them if Hinch wasn't in charge? Likely not) as was Male who was part of a Dorking side that shipped goals for fun. The 'headline' signing of Stones is still one for debate, not because he's a bad player but because it remains to be seen where he fits in, in fact it's not difficult to argue his inclusion coincided with a slump in form as we changed the way we played to accommodate, something put right the other night. In other words, having a big budget is one thing, managing it well another. All that said, we're still going to miss out on the title by a decent margin to a team that have kept to a way of doing things and patiently built. I'm waffling anyway, apologies, none of that is news to any of you as football fans! Gateshead are probably the best example of a club consistently doing it well on a good but not massive budget, especially if you're a club in a position to hang on to players.
Good luck in the Trophy, as much as many of us deride it as 'tinpot', it was undeniably a great experience winning it the first time (2nd time less so, your team singing 'champions' weeks after being relegated is a 'difficult' one), seeing your club lift a trophy at Wembley is special regardless. |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 12:15 - Mar 27 with 1490 views | 49thseason |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:42 - Mar 26 by Rodingdale |
You talk about the 3 year plan as if it’s something all fans unanimously agreed with and bought into. I didn’t. In my view the longer we spend in this dreadful division the more institutionalised we will become. You clearly take a great pleasure from picking holes in the views of loyal fans opinions, it would be interesting to know what you think about the performance of McNultys teams, do you enjoy every game? Do you have a view on what he talks about in his interviews. Are you indeed the one fan who McNulty relies upon to applaud win lose or draw? Did you stay to the end last night or five minutes after the game finished when McNulty was taking the team around clapping the empty stands. What do you think about it all James? I’m interested.
And I mean, considered thoughts, not some clever smart arse one liner. Persuade me and others of your view. At the moment, you sound like a wind up merchant who isn’t in touch with the majority of Dale fans. [Post edited 26 Mar 20:49]
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I think the 3 and 5 year plans were accepted by the fans because there was no alternative and we trusted the Ogdens to develop a plan that was practical and affordable. Without EFL money, the next 2 seasons will need higher levels of cash than this season and the off pitch plans also need extensive investment. The first indications of the 5 year sustainability plan are starting to be seen, with investment in people and the solar panels and rumours of work to redevelop the main stand facilities.
They have a plan that they are reasonably comfortable with and know that they will need contingency funds, as I have said previously, I think the 3 and 5 year plans may in reality, both be 5 year plans. But, I believe we might be better served with a longer run at the top end of this league with a free scoring team, exciting football a growing crowd and an expanding financial base than a quick return to the EFL without these things securely in place. Much better to arrive back in the EFL in the best shape the club has ever been in than lacking the infrastucture, team and crowds required to make progress there.
I dont know if JM can produce a team that makes going to matches something to look forward to with an expectation of seeing fast, free flowing, attacking football, but I know that despite the reasonable progress made this season, his biggest challenge will be to produce a team capable of scoring 2 goals a game every game and not conceding any more than his current system has. The people are in place within the club, the infrastructure is to be enhanced, the product on the pitch has to deliver the spark, I think JM will get his chance but the scrutiny will increase and the standards will have to improve |  | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:08 - Mar 27 with 1228 views | Dale_4_Life |
There is an immediate issue that needs addressing and these are professional players on the cusp of doing something amazing for Rochdale football club.
Jim needs to step up now and somehow draw a line..
We have 3 games in 8 days - Two are at Home and the second home game will result in a cup final at Wembley should we win.
There just has to be a reaction on Saturday v Aldershot and that reaction needs carrying over to Spennymoor and Woking in the immediate short term.
Another 3 games of what we have recently witnessed (Tactics and execution) could result in season over or as good as over in the next ten days.
This team is capable of 3 wins, unshackle them and send them out fired up and high on confidence... Its over to you now Jim. [Post edited 27 Mar 18:04]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:14 - Mar 27 with 1202 views | SaxonDale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 20:07 - Mar 26 by Cedar_Room |
Amazes me how people seem to forget who was the manager of Rochdale AFC at the point we got relegated out of the football league.
Now granted, the damage had pretty much been done by the time JM took over but did anyone witness any fire, grit or determination in those final performances of that season? You could see from every team selection and interview that JM - this great loyal servant of the club - had already accepted our fate and wasn’t putting up any fight. That’s why I’ve always been against his permanent appointment. I had accepted us going down, what I couldn’t accept is going down so pathetically and JM’s role in that won’t be forgotten by me.
If by some miracle we get promoted this season then fair enough, I’ll eat my words and JM will have every right to crow at the doubters.
But there seems almost no likelihood whatsoever of that happening because here we are - two years on - with JM’s teams still showing the same absence of fire, grit and determination. The exact qualities you need to win trophies, to win crucial play off games. To, you know, GET PROMOTED.
Why anyone thinks this man should be entrusted with 3 years to carry on is verging on the definition of madness - we’ll be playing exactly the same in the future as we do now yet some of you will be expecting a different outcome. It’s time for a change. |
November 12th-April 1st= 11 points
April 1st- May 8th = 12 points
There are some very fair criticisms on here about McNulty but let's not rewrite the past. The relegation season was caused by Stockdale, Bentley, Gauge and the players. |  | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:31 - Mar 27 with 1137 views | kel |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:08 - Mar 27 by Dale_4_Life |
There is an immediate issue that needs addressing and these are professional players on the cusp of doing something amazing for Rochdale football club.
Jim needs to step up now and somehow draw a line..
We have 3 games in 8 days - Two are at Home and the second home game will result in a cup final at Wembley should we win.
There just has to be a reaction on Saturday v Aldershot and that reaction needs carrying over to Spennymoor and Woking in the immediate short term.
Another 3 games of what we have recently witnessed (Tactics and execution) could result in season over or as good as over in the next ten days.
This team is capable of 3 wins, unshackle them and send them out fired up and high on confidence... Its over to you now Jim. [Post edited 27 Mar 18:04]
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There’s no ‘could’ about us getting to Wembley should we beat Spennymoor. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 17:36 - Mar 27 with 999 views | James1980 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:31 - Mar 27 by kel |
There’s no ‘could’ about us getting to Wembley should we beat Spennymoor. |
Well if we win JM being too nice like he is will probably feel sorry for Spennymoor and say they can have the trip to Wembley instead. | |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:05 - Mar 27 with 931 views | Dale_4_Life |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 16:31 - Mar 27 by kel |
There’s no ‘could’ about us getting to Wembley should we beat Spennymoor. |
Of course...
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v York City on 18:11 - Mar 27 with 908 views | finberty |
One thing that intrigues me about JM is that, for a player whose career was mainly as a lower division centre back, he seemed to lack the 'devil' necessary to be a feared opponent and always seemed to prefer to play fair. All centre backs need to instil some fear.
This brings me to his management. Wouldn't it be great if he could discover some inner nastiness, and convey this to the team in terms that they would fear to return to the dressing room without a victory? That'd get us into the play-offs and stop us from being a passive pushover.
Perhaps. |  | | |
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